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We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
Sacamuelas
11-04-2004, 21:44
We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
I 2nd that motion. :munchin
The Reaper
11-04-2004, 21:52
I 2nd that motion. :munchin
In order to prevent the hijack in progress, maybe you should start a new thread titled "101 Bad Things to do with Powdered CS Tear Gas".
TR
Roguish Lawyer
11-10-2004, 07:27
Well?
:munchin
Well if this the place I have a couple of CS stories. I loved the stuff. You could always tell when the dogs got it up the nose - went ballistic and I smiled :D
One problem with it was how fine the powder was. I usually carried a canteen full of it with a C4 and a short time fuze taped to the back. But I punched a small hole in the top and taped it over with layers of black tape. This was for pouring it out on the trail for the aforementioned dogs.
One mission I was setting on the pad and the Kingbees were doing something so we weren't loading right away but the rotors were turning. Just about the time we get into the choppers everyone came down with the running nose and red eyes. Somehow the vacuum sucked that stuff right through about 4 layers of black tape and was gassing us and the crews... none of which was humored at the time.
Changed methodolgy later to small insect repellent bottle for dogs and canteen tightly sealed (no holes) for the boom version...
Folks: I hate to be a wet rag, but this subject falls right into the crux of the allegations against us in "The Tailwind" controversy. It is best droped, at least on an open forum. :(
I thought the Tailwind controversy was more about using nerve gas and actively hunting down traitors. :confused:
I thought the Tailwind controversy was more about using nerve gas and actively hunting down traitors. :confused:
I think you will find it broader than that. To some, a chemical agent is a chemical agent with no differentiation between agents. Among other things we were accused of contaminating water and food supplies with chemical agents. Personally I just don't think this is a bone we want to dig up. I have lots of stories which I'll take to the grave.
OK. I went back and reviewed the actual allegations and will stand corrected. Soooo.....
1. We had CS in grenade form, similar to smoke grenades. I placed one in front of a claymore and it spread the CS when detonated. a great means of breaking contact. I did the same thing when initiating ambushes, as well as another claymore with a WP grenade in front of the claymore. The combination of the claymores, CS and WP along with heavy auto fire made for a quick violent ambush and afforded us a good chance of breaking contact.
2. At Khe Sahn we had CS cannister launchers in a line behind the claymores. Each unit could fire a salvo of 20 cannisters.
3. I never ran across pooches but was also prepared for that. Actually we were a little more primitive than BKK and used black and red pepper. :lifter
Ambush Master
11-15-2004, 21:20
We need to Get am AM to tell some of his CS powder stories on here, That is truly some nasty shit.
OK, after this thing got started and has deviated a bit, I find that I am left with a decision !!! CS or Napalm....CS or Napalm....CS or Napalm ?!?!?!
Ok, CS First !! (The creation of the "Porcupine" !!)
After very carefully drilling a hole in the standoff cone of a B-40 round, we then had to figure a way to get the CS Powder into it. We took the "drilled" rounds out to the bunker line and proceeded to fill them with CS powder, through a paper, homemade, funnel while wearing our "Mini-Masks". After the fill was completed, we taped the holes with Black "Electrical" tape and brought them back into the Team Room. The 4 Team building, housing a max of 12-16 Americans emptied !!! I, now with mask removed, but quite de-sensitised to the CS, didn't understand what all of the commotion was about. We ended up taking all of the rounds to the showers and giving them a bath !!! :D I then proceeded to turn them into Porcupines.
These things were bad. VERY BAD !!
Next, NAPE in the Air !!!
Later
Martin
Sacamuelas
11-15-2004, 21:56
Thanks AM. :munchin
Ambush Master
11-15-2004, 22:03
Jellied Petrol !!
After the success of the Porcupine, I latched onto the idea of a diabotical device that was based on something that we had received into our "weapons-options" mix !! We got a batch of "Quad-Laws" that were termed "Multiple-Flame Launchers". What these were, was an experimental 4 tube, expendable, Rocket Launcher, that was loaded with 4 Rockets that had an incindiary warhead instead of the AT !!! Picture a LAW on Steroids !! It was HUGE, boxy and a real pain in the ass to deploy.
I took this as a challenge. I looked at our existing inventory and decided to expand the capabilities of our most unique "Mortar" !! (Those that have read the 60mm Aw Shit in here will relate !!) I started with a 60mm Illumination round and succeeded in dismantling several. I then re-assembled them but instead of the flare and parachute, I put Foo-Gas, and added a little extra to the kicker/ignition charge that launched the flare.
I rigged up several and we went to the range. The first round that I launched, the rest of the team was AGAIN about 50 meters to the rear, went off in a quite spectacular fashion. When I hung it in the tube I did register that I smelled gasoline. I did not however think through the consequences of launching said round. When that thing went out, I was engulfed in, what I was told many many times over, a HUGE ORANGE FIREBALL !!!
I was left with quite a "sunburn", veeery little Eyebrows/ (no) eyelashes, and a very singed moustache !!!!
Once again, all of the Yards, rolling in the dirt, and crying NUMBA F****** ONE, DO IT AGAIN !!! :D
We did deploy this 60mm variant, after much improvement, and used it operationally to set fire to our backtrail. It worked better than WP !!!
Later
Martin
Let's see, back to the CS !!! Next, Cycalos and the "White Mice !!!" :munchin
I just got Plaster's book the Pictorial History of SOG. After seeing the picture of what you call an RT (looked more like a MF formation to me) and reading of your attempts at building weapons of mass ( self) destruction. Two things become clear to me.
1. You are one dangerous >>>
2. When you heard recon - you thought they said recon by fire (the fire being literal)
Roguish Lawyer
11-16-2004, 11:56
Great stories! Keep 'em coming, AM! :munchin
The Reaper
11-18-2004, 12:34
AM:
I am amazed that you have survived this long.
Do you attend church regularly, or are you just permanently lucky? :D
TR
Kyobanim
11-18-2004, 19:09
AM, that was the funniest thing I've read since the 60mm story.
You need to change your name to NUMBA F****** ONE, DO IT AGAIN
Ambush Master
11-18-2004, 19:31
Let's see, back to the CS !!! Next, Cycalos and the "White Mice !!!" :munchin
OK, first a definition: "White Mice" (WM) the Viet equivalent of our MPs. They picked up the handle because of the white helmet liners, spats and gloves that they wore, coupled with the fact that they could not really bother us any more than a mouse could.
Set the scenario: There were about 5-6 of us Recon types down in Nha Trang on stand-down. A few of us decided to not check in at the transient barracks (that way no-one would be looking for us if anything happened in the compound) and we went into town just before the gates got locked down. We had been having a pretty good party when somewhere around midnight the WM raided the establishment that we were in !!
We had them out-gunned, but we decided it would be much more simple to just E&E them. We escaped over a blind wall (not accessable from the streets) and made our way over the rooftops to a sidestreet that was not covered by the WM. There,we hailed a Cycalo (a three wheeled motorized version of a rickshaw) and made good our escape. We made it about 200m from the "bust" and were spotted !!! The chase was on !!
With about 3-4 Jeeps in hot pursuit, we hauled ass. Things were starting to look pretty grim and I knew that if this kept up for very much longer, the US MPs would join in and then it would be a very long and unplesant night. I remembered that I had my Insect Repellent Bottle with CS Powder in it and one of the others had their's too !!! :D We took the lids off, stuck them out and to the rear of the cab and layed down a cloud of CS !!!!!
The Jeeps started swerving from side to side and finally all of them crashed into the buildings on both sides of the road !! We made good our escape and retired to another establishment that welcomed our money and good charm !!
Remember, WAR when viewed backwards stands for Recon Always Wins !! :D
We fought hard, but partied HARDER !!!
Later
Martin
NousDefionsDoc
11-18-2004, 19:44
I started with a 60mm Illumination round and succeeded in dismantling several.
"succeeded" LOL. ROTFLMAO!
Great stories Brother!
NousDefionsDoc
11-18-2004, 19:47
NUMBA F****** ONE, DO IT AGAIN !!!
I'm crying here! My side hurts.
Achilles
11-18-2004, 19:48
The Jeeps started swerving from side to side and finally all of them crashed into the buildings on both sides of the road !! We made good our escape and retired to another establishment that welcomed our money and good charm !!
Remember, WAR when viewed backwards stands for Recon Always Wins !! :D
LOL!! That has to be the funniest Vietnam story I've ever heard. If only you could get away with doing that shit today!! Keep 'em coming AM!!
NousDefionsDoc
11-18-2004, 19:54
Oh similar things still go on today. When the statute of limitations runs out, I'll tell some Palmerola escape stories.
Ambush Master
11-18-2004, 20:13
"succeeded" LOL. ROTFLMAO!
You don't understand how difficlult it was to separate those little suckers without SETTING OFF THE FLARE !!! I made a "dummy" fuse head and saved the removed ones to use later, upon reassembly, to initiate the discharge of the Foogas. The dummy was drilled to accept timefuse and I would install it after the "live Fuse" was removed and then with a very small charge of powder would "kick" the flare out. Worked quite well !! :D
The real trick was how I figured out how to KEEP the Fookin gas fumes INSIDE so as to not partially incinerate the gunner !!!
Later
Martin
Martin,
You have a career in literature ahead of you.
Good stuff. :lifter
Keep them coming. :munchin
Right after Tet '68 I had to go to the SFOB on business. When we checked in we were told to check our weapons. We asked what to do in the event of a ground attack and were told to just go to the bunkers and the permanent party garrison would take care of things. RIGHT!! We spent the night in the Nha Trang Hotel and had a pretty good view of the light show over and around the SFOB from the roof. There was a little bar set up on the roof and we could enjoy Ba Mui Ba while watching the war! We figured we were safer there than in the SFOB. This picture is from the roof and may show AM's roof tops. :D
As for getting away with things, as long as you were willing to beat the bush, those who weren't willing would let you alone.