A False Sense of Security

[Team Sergeant]

A False Sense of Security


So now that we've been attacked again how do you feel about spending trillions on security that doesn't work? I listened to more than one idiot commenting that "security will be tighter", please tell me how?

The same idiots are saying that Americans will need to give up some Freedoms for security. Even the Gov of Mass said there will be "bag" checks. Let's just throw that pesky constitution out the window.

A False Sense of Security

As a former soldier with a mission for counter-terrorism (not to be confused with "anti"-terrorism) the only way to stop terrorism is to find and terminate the source of the problem.
Janet Napolitano & DHS just last month is now allowing pre-screening for saudi nationals, do you really think that saudis screening saudis is going to work?

"Excerpted from The Hill: House Homeland Security Chairman Mike McCaul (R-Texas) is pressing for answers about why the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has begun talks to allow air travelers from Saudi Arabia to use a pre-screening system to fly to the U.S.
In a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, McCaul and nine other Republicans on the committee asked for more details about what steps the department is taking to guard against potential terrorists using the Global Entry to enter the United States.
The lawmakers pointed to the 15 hijackers involved in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks who were from Saudi Arabia as a key reason to be concerned.
“As members of the House Committee on Homeland Security, we seek assurances from the department that passengers from countries added to the program will receive the appropriate screening,” they wrote.
“This committee is supportive of the department’s efforts to expand trade and increase travel to the United States. However, we remain vigilant for vulnerabilities that our enemies can exploit to gain access to the homeland. Expanding Global Entry to high-risk countries may represent such a risk.”http://patdollard.com/2013/03/republicans-press-incessant-homeland-security-threat-napolitano-on-dropping-passport-security-for-saudis/

A False Sense of Security

In the last 11 years we've spent trillions on security, have Americans spying on Americans, drones flying over America, fusion centers in almost every city, Janet Napolitano telling Americans to arm themselves with scissors while DHS purchases military M-4's and billions of rounds of ammo to defend themselves. And now a flagrant disregard for the constitution and justified as "for our safety".

Our current rational: Let's keep courting and invite those that would kill our children to our country with open arms. And when we're attacked let's blame the tools used to kill Americans instead of the murderers themselves. Let's spend another trillion dollars on "security" and let's place a totally incompetent individual as the head of that agency & money. We will not strike fear into the hearts of these killers by showing them no mercy, no quarter and hunting them without relent instead let them know we are upset and ask them to please stop. Just as in the attack on Benghazi, the murder of an American Ambassador, and a few good men, let's quote our current national leaders and say, "What does it matter now?"

You know that quote:
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
― Edmund Burke

It holds no meaning when the masses are at full stride and heading over the cliff.

The Sheeple Generation is now officially here.

[Trapper John]

You can add Ben Franklin's statement on that (I paraphrase): Any people that sacrifice liberty for security will find neither and lose both.

[Badger52]

...give up some Freedoms for security.Mass graves through history are filled with the adherents to that, right up until they pitched forward into the ditch.

Claire Wolfe's comments in the late 90's are lookin' downright prescient.

[Pete]

The is not enough money to put a cop on every block..........Though the government will try to do it.

Look for an expansion of the TSA's mission, budget and people.

[SF_BHT]

The is not enough money to put a cop on every block..........Though the government will try to do it.

Look for an expansion of the TSA's mission, budget and people.

You are right Pete. They will try to spin more need for the bag police (TSA) The problem with TSA is they are not Police or investigators. They are just door checkers and nothing more.......

[Lan]

Is Money IMO. The more the Government spends, the more enslaved we become.

[MiTTMedic]

Thank you, TS. We need to ask ourselves what the limit is to our ever-increasing level of political correctness, and start calling these barbarians what they are...and take extreme action for once. The ones responsible in all likelyhood were not in Boston, and not the ones that actually placed the ordinances. Maybe never been there. They are in the countries that we are coddling to. We can play "Whack-A-Mole" forever, but until we drop the niceties and answer a barbarian act with a superior barbaric act, we will not make any progress.
I often wonder how many terroristic acts have been stopped that we never hear about (and maybe don't want to hear about). Is the problem bigger than the general public knows about?

[VVVV]

I flew out of TIA (Tampa) and a few other aiports shortly after 9/11, and my comment to my wife about the security measures (NG, PD, ect) was: "What we have here is reactionary window dressing, nothing more. More than a decade later, I still feel the same way.

Re-enforcing and locking cockpit doors was one of the few steps taken that actually provide some (cost effective) security, and that should have been done years before.

[perdurabo]

Thank you, TS. We need to ask ourselves what the limit is to our ever-increasing level of political correctness

Your limit wasn't passed a long time ago? Mine was, back in 2002 or thereabouts.

I'm not convinced of who did the Boston thing or what their motives were (aside from terrorizing), I'll let the professionals sort that out, but TS laid it down surgically.

Anyway, for many of us, our limits were passed a long time ago, but it's all armchair banter until we decide to do something about it.

[Hand]

If we engage in the actions necessary to defeat this enemy and win the battle against terrorism, we would still lose something: some of our human refinement, which is our greatest achievement. Its impossible to clean up a bad infestation without getting your hands dirty, though. If we refuse to fight and continue to allow our refinement to be used against us, we no doubt will lose everything. Lying belly up is not a good technique for survival. Those who do so usually get eaten up very quickly.

Is that such a bad thing though DocIllinois? Can a free society stay free without the sacrifices of patriots and the blood of tyrants? I assert that we are bleeding refinement by taking this baby kissing approach that we are taking. From the top to the bottom it seems we are being led by people who are more concerned with the way people view us than protecting our way of life.

Even Jesus, the speaker of 'turn the other cheek' and "love thy neighbor as thyself' picked up a whip and beat the fuck out of money exchangers who took up operations in the Temple.

Its here. Its been seeping across our borders and into the minds of our children for decades. Eliminating terrorists wont stop events like this from happening. Our culture is 'sick'. Need I even use Aurora, Columbine and other associated horrors to make my point?

[The Reaper]

Maybe we need an American Foreign Legion.

TR

[MR2]

Maybe we need an American Foreign Legion.

How about a American Contras Redux?

[Dreadnought]

As tight as anyone makes security, and as much money we as a nation spend on it, it will never be infallible because of its weakest element - the human infrastructure.

[Oldrotorhead]

I think the Federal Government wants to spend us into serfdom. If, and I repeat if our elected officials cared about security why do they let this continue? I don't think is would be expensive to remove these people from our prison sysstem and the Country.

SCHUMER: GROWING INFLUENCE OF WAHHABI ISLAM OVER MILITARY AND PRISONS POSE THREAT

Schumer testimony for Senate Judiciary Subcommittee
Hearing on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security

Mr. Chairman, I want to thank you for holding this hearing and for permitting me to testify. The issue we’re addressing today is tremendously important in our effort to protect America from future terrorist attacks and it’s a credit to you and this Subcommittee that you’ve convened this hearing.

Since the Wahhabi presence in the United States is a foreboding one that has potentially harmful and far reaching consequences for our nation’s mosques, schools, prisons and even our military, these hearings could not come at a more opportune moment.

Before I begin, however, let me be absolutely clear: Islam is an admirable and peaceful faith that embraces tolerance, morality and charity. Most of the Muslim world follows these tenets. Unfortunately, the increasingly influential and radical Wahhabi ideology distorts this message by preaching hate, violence, and intolerance toward the moderate Muslim and Judeo-Christian world.

Al Qaeda and the 9/11 terrorists were the products of Wahhabism hateful and intolerant systems of belief. Over the past year, my office has been tracking Wahhabi activities in the US and around the world and has uncovered some disturbing information.

Wahhabism is an extremist, exclusionary form of Islam that not only denigrates other faiths but also marginalizes peaceful followers of Islam like the Shia and moderate Sunnis.

The roots of Wahhabism can be found in Saudi Arabia, where the governing regime has made an ugly deal with that nation’s radical Muslim clerics. The Saudis give the Wahhabis protection and support in exchange for the Wahhabis promising not to undermine the Saudi royal family. It’s nothing short of a deal with the devil.

The Wahabbis get to preach the hate and extremism that form core tenets of Wahhabism, without consequence. More importantly, they are allowed to recruit disciples who pose a tremendous threat to Americans everywhere.

I have written letter after letter to the Saudi Arabian government asking it to denounce the Wahhabi teachings of its madrassahs, or religious schools, which preach extremism, and to stop funding them. I’m sure everyone will be shocked to hear that thus far, I have not received any response from them indicating a change in policy.

As the Saudis turn a blind eye, the Wahhabi machine is becoming well-financed, politically powerful, difficult to prosecute and making dramatic inroads here in the US. Let me give you an example of how Wahhabism has wreaked havoc in my own backyard.

For 20 years, the New York State Department of Corrections employed Warith Deen Umar as one of its chaplains, eventually appointing him Administrative Chaplain of the New York Department of Correctional Services.

A strict believer in Wahhabi Islam, Umar was responsible for the hiring and firing of all chaplains in the New York State prison system, exercising complete control over personnel matters. But last year, Mr. Umar was banned from ever again entering a New York State prison after he incited prisoners against America, specifically preaching to inmates that the 9/11 hijackers should be remembered as martyrs.

Many of the clerics Umar hired during his tenure have reportedly echoed his sentiments in sermons before many of New York State’s 13,000 Muslim inmates as well as impeding their freedom of religion by denying these prisoners access to materials used by more moderate forms of Islam. While it is not surprising that Umar would have hired clerics who shared his beliefs, I am terribly worried that his minions may have exposed members of New York’s prison population to his extremist and toxic anti-American views.

More than preaching hate, these clerics seem to be actively opposing the US government. In March, federal prosecutors in New York indicted a chaplain at the Auburn Correctional Facility for sending millions of dollars to organizations in Iraq in violation of US sanctions. He has since pleaded guilty to the offense. When my office researched further, we discovered that New York’s prisons were not the only ones that had been penetrated by Wahhabi zealotry.

The US Federal Bureau of Prisons uses two groups to select imams who minister to Muslim inmates: the Graduate School of Islamic and Social Sciences (GSISS) whose offices were right across the river in northern Virginia, and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). As experts appearing later today can testify, both of these groups appear to have disturbing connections to Wahhabism and terrorism.

The GSISS is under investigation as part of U.S. Customs' operation Green Quest for its possible role in helping to funnel $20 million to terrorists through offshore financial institutions. Meanwhile, a number of ISNA board members appear to have checkered pasts. One member, Siraj Wahhaj, was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the WTC '93 bombings. Another board member, Bassam Osman, was previously the director of the Quranic Literary Institute, an Oak Lawn, Illinois organization that had $1.4 million in assets seized by the Justice Department in June 1998 on the grounds that it was used to support Hamas terrorist activities.

To make matters worse, the GSISS, as well as another Wahhabi-influenced organization that is under investigation by Green Quest – the American Muslim Foundation – are the sole organizations credentialed to advise the Pentagon on who to choose to serve as imams to the 4,000 patriotic and valiant Muslim soldiers in the US military.

While the potential Wahhabi influence in the US armed forces is not well documented, these organizations have succeeded in ensuring that militant Wahhabism is THE ONLY form of Islam that is preached to the 12,000 Muslims in federal prisons. The imams flood the prisons with anti-American, pro-bin Laden videos, literature and sermon tapes. They destroy literature sent to prisons by more moderate Shia and Sunni organizations, and prevent imams that follow these traditions from speaking to prisoners. In addition, non-Wahhabi Muslim prisoners who seek to practice their religion often receive death threats from Wahhabi prisoners who have been instructed by Wahhabi imams.

The point of prison is to rehabilitate violent prisoners. Instead, the Wahhabi influence is inculcating them with the same kind of militant ideas that drove the 9/11 hijackers to kill thousands of Americans. Mr. Chairman, this is a dangerous situation that is essentially being ignored.

Despite this evidence, the Federal Bureau of Prisons and the Pentagon continue to allow these Wahhabi organizations under federal terrorist investigation to serve as their sole religious advisors when it comes to Islam. In an effort to end this practice, I have written to the Inspectors General of the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense, both of whom have responded to tell me that they are looking into the matter.

However, Mr. Chairman, their efforts are only a first step towards revealing the full picture of the Wahhabi presence in America. And please make no mistake, we need to develop that full picture if we are to prevent these extremist teachings from taking hold in this country. Now more than ever I am convinced that the process to counter this hateful ideology begins and ends with Saudi Arabia. The Saudis can and should stop the terrorist financing that goes on within their borders. The Saudis can and should track down and arrest terrorists that hide out in their country.

But if they truly want to stop the violence that led to 9/11 and to the recent attacks in Riyadh – going beyond simple band-aid action – they must repudiate the Wahhabi extremism that is the source of this violence. This means shutting down the extremist madrassahs, purging the hate-filled textbooks that populate Saudi schools, and putting an end to the extremist Wahhabi preaching that takes place in their mosques. If the Saudis do not end the funding and teaching of extremism, the cycle of terrorist violence wracking the globe will never end.

In addition, our government – specifically the Defense Department and the Federal Bureau of Prisons – must do a better job of connecting the dots between the organizations with which they do business and Wahhabi activists – ultimately eliminating their influence. Have we not learned anything since 9/11?

Mr. Chairman, by holding these hearings, you’re doing your part to show that we have – you’re doing what’s necessary to ensure that we don’t look back after the next terrorist attack and ask, “why did we not stop it when we had the chance?”

My worry is that the Saudis and many in this Administration are not heeding the warning signs. My worry is that by not heeding these signs, we are once again letting those who hate freedom recruit disciples in our country who may potentially do us harm.

My fear is that if we don’t wake up and take action now, those influenced by Wahhabism’s extremist ideology will harm us in as of yet unimaginable ways.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/congress/2003_h/030626_PR01819.htm

[ddoering]

I agree with MiTT. We must learn to use the same cruel and inhumane tactics that terrorists do in order to fight them off; nothing else is effective in the jungle from which they operate.



Very true. Terror only responds to worse terror. "Civilized" people have fallen to barbarians throughout history.

[FlagDayNCO]

Is it really refinement, or is it PC? I believe America as a Nation and as a People has been ahead of the curve when it comes to protecting man.

FlagDayNCO