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Team Sergeant
04-09-2013, 13:31
MSNBC needs to trade names with CNN so we can call them what they are, Communist News Network..... Well said Comrade Melissa Harris-Perry.
It's hard for me to believe people actually watch that channel. But then again some here actually read the NYT's.:rolleyes:
Critics slam MSNBC host’s claim that kids belong to community, not parents
By Hollie McKay
Published April 09, 2013
FoxNews.com
LOS ANGELES – Parents and media critics were aghast after a host for MSNBC called for collective care of a community's children instead of parents taking care of their kids themselves.
MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry recorded a commercial for the network in which she stated that children do not belong to their parents, but are instead the responsibility of the members of their community.
“We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children,” she says in a spot for the network’s “Lean Forward” campaign. “So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents, or kids belong to their families, and recognize that kids belong to whole communities.”
Harris-Perry’s views ignited a firestorm of anger and disbelief.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/04/09/critics-slam-msnbc-hosts-claim-that-kids-belong-to-community-not-parents/#ixzz2PzpJPL6M
But then again some here actually read the NYT's.:rolleyes:
Mostly birds I suspect...
I'll hand my kids over to the 'community' as soon as I hand my guns over to it.
My father in law watches MSNBC all day long so the conversations we have at family events are interesting to put it nicely.
That women looks half Klingon. Is that how Klingons raise their young?
ddoering
04-09-2013, 14:01
Where do I drop them off at?
That women looks half Klingon. Is that how Klingons raise their young?
Lol, yeah...weird look. High maint with tude.
Team Sergeant
04-09-2013, 14:10
It has everything to do with the Progressives (socialists) not taking "personal responsibility" for their actions.
The Teleprompter Reader of the United States of America was brought up this way was he not?
Benghazi anyone?
Stiletto11
04-09-2013, 14:18
That's because half of them don't know who their daddy is. Daddy is replaced by the gobment who hands out all the goodies. I teach school in the inner city and kids talk about having to get pregnant to get into Section 8 housing among other appalling issues.
Stargazer
04-09-2013, 14:32
The Teleprompter Reader of the United States of America was brought up this way was he not?
I believe that has a great deal to do with how he and his ilk think. He credits many for what he achieved.. and may have had interesting parents but not sure about stability.
The pressure seems to be building...
Its a cycle that continues, isn't it?
The one simple social rule that we all live by: people have needs and thus assign value to the people who meet them.
Living in Section 8 housing, leeching off the taxpayer's dollar, providing a horrible environment for childraising, being impulsive - I doubt society needs these things from any of it's citizens.
Yet these individuals are tolerated, generation after generation, polluting a society that should be dedicated to supporting the lessons instilled by parents who give a damn. :mad:
Good stuff.
Rhetorically, which political party facilitated these circumstances?
Its a cycle that continues, isn't it?
The one simple social rule that we all live by: people have needs and thus assign value to the people who meet them.
Living in Section 8 housing, leeching off the taxpayer's dollar, providing a horrible environment for childraising, being impulsive - I doubt society needs these things from any of it's citizens.
Yet these individuals are tolerated, generation after generation, polluting a society that should be dedicated to supporting the lessons instilled by parents who give a damn. :mad:
And how do we help break this cycle? Are you not a product of your parent's parenting? Many of us here were lucky enough to grow up in a two parent family, and learned how to become responsible adults. Many, like me, had to learn the hard way, many times the VERY hard way. But I always had my parents there to catch me when I fell.
So are these children not just as much a product of their parent or parents parenting? It breaks my heart that little pre-teen girls think the only way they can survive in this life is by getting pregnant.
I have made a vow that when I move back to St Louis, I am not only going to become more involved in the youth group at my church, but become more involved in volunteering in East St Louis. I can not imagine not having a role model to look up to growing up, but that is the life many of these kids face. They don't know any better, because they have never been SHOWN any better. And those of us that complain about this generation after generation bear some of the guilt if we just shake our head an walk away, instead of actually DOING something.
It has everything to do with the Progressives (socialists) not taking "personal responsibility" for their actions.
The Teleprompter Reader of the United States of America was brought up this way was he not?
Benghazi anyone?
AND THAT IS THE TRUTH, SIR!
Anyone want to counter?:munchin
Holly
All of those LEAN FORWARD commercial spots suck, I am surprised it was this one that ticked everybody off…I guess they never seen the one about govt is need to solve all our problems or without govt there is no health care system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIfoLtR-xdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p3_k7IQx50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3fJ5pJwtMU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ECB20McEc
And my favorite
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPklYj7gYLo
Stargazer
04-09-2013, 15:06
Its a cycle that continues, isn't it?
The one simple social rule that we all live by: people have needs and thus assign value to the people who meet them.
Living in Section 8 housing, leeching off the taxpayer's dollar, providing a horrible environment for childraising, being impulsive - I doubt society needs these things from any of it's citizens.
Yet these individuals are tolerated, generation after generation, polluting a society that should be dedicated to supporting the lessons instilled by parents who give a damn. :mad:
In this spirit, I find this quote by Margaret Thatcher to be apropos.
“I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also, to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.” — Margaret Thatcher,
I don't see why everyone is getting all crazy and "up in arms" over this statement?
We were told awhile ago that, "It takes a village to raise a child."
Only difference between the two statements is, the one who said the above statement, the populace took pity on her due to her husbands infidelity and agreed with her.
:munchin
I don't see why everyone is getting all crazy and "up in arms" over this statement?
We were told awhile ago that, "It takes a village to raise a child."
Only difference between the two statements is, the one who said the above statement, the populace took pity on her due to her husbands infidelity and agreed with her.
:munchin
Yeah. What difference does it make?
Badger52
04-09-2013, 18:15
"You didn't build that."
These people just need to walk out on the ice.
Trapper John
04-09-2013, 18:20
It has everything to do with the Progressives (socialists) not taking "personal responsibility" for their actions.
The Teleprompter Reader of the United States of America was brought up this way was he not?
Benghazi anyone?
:lifter:lifter:lifter
Although she didn't express herself very well, perhaps she was attempting to advocate a return to some of those "good old days" behaviors worth emulating when many communities, and not just the parent(s), did take a form of responsibility in raising and protecting the children who lived in them.
Where I grew up, adults always seemed to be aware of our shenanigans and were quick to point out to us what was acceptable and unacceptable behavior, along with letting our parents know about it.
We used to ride our bicycles down to the Cosumnes to swim and jump off the old road bridge into the river (about 40') even when we were pretty young and weren't supposed to be going that far (about 15 miles). Several times Joe Fraley, a sheriff's deputy who knew us and our parents, caught us down there when he knew we weren't supposed to be there, put our bikes in the trunk of his patrol car and us in the back seat, and took us home to let our parents know we'd been down at the river bridge jumping again. My mother about had the 'big one' the first time he pulled up to the house with us in the back seat of his patrol car.
I know there are still communities that cooperate in such a mannner; perhaps she thinks there should be more. Personally, I do, too.
Richard :munchin
The closest our neighborhood came to the "it takes a village" theme was when my Dad whipped Dave Yandell's dad for not spanking my ass when I wrecked Dave's Cushman.
GratefulCitizen
04-09-2013, 19:54
This is their primary goal.
The degradation of moral standards/destruction of families are merely a means to this end.
Sever the parent-child bond and make the child loyal to the state, only recognizing standards/morals as dictated by the state.
Train some kids to manage (dependent on the favor of the state), some to produce (with compensation determined by the state), and the rest to vote (with survival dependent on the state).
Tyranny through democracy.
This is their primary goal.
The degradation of moral standards/destruction of families are merely a means to this end.
Sever the parent-child bond and make the child loyal to the state, only recognizing standards/morals as dictated by the state.
Train some kids to manage (dependent on the favor of the state), some to produce (with compensation determined by the state), and the rest to vote (with survival dependent on the state).
Tyranny through democracy.
"Their"? Hunh. Looks as if you'e got it all figured out.
Personally - I don't agree with such a point of view and, unless things change rather drastically, doubt I ever will.
Richard :munchin
Streck-Fu
04-09-2013, 20:11
Reads like a derivative of "It takes a village to raise a child".......only in that phrase the parents retained ownership....:cool:
Badger52
04-10-2013, 03:51
It is a community's responsibility to provide a reinforcement of the behaviors that should be instilled at home.I'd go further and say that the community doesn't have to necessarily agree with that instilled at home, but they must respect it and not knowingly attempt to subvert it. I appreciate Richard's reference to a bygone time, and lived that somewhat 'Leave It to Beaver' experience growing up as well; neighborhood, a pretty neat thing. In this case, however, I think the MSNBC person articulated herself as intended.
BigJimCalhoun
04-10-2013, 05:13
Another reason we home-skool our son.;)
Dozer523
04-10-2013, 05:48
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
In Afghanistan, children are referred ro as gifts of God even in the most wretched of circumstances. I always kept a little hope for the Afghans because of this.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character. YMMV,MOO.
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
Outstanding post, Bro. Really hits home, for me.
I submit to you that the half-Klingon subject of this interview as well as progressive libs in general intend to do exactly what you state in your eloquent post, but they intend to replace God with the state.
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
In Afghanistan, children are referred ro as gifts of God even in the most wretched of circumstances. I always kept a little hope for the Afghans because of this.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character. YMMV,MOO.
:lifter :lifter :lifter
Outstanding post, Bro. Really hits home, for me.
I submit to you that the half-Klingon subject of this interview as well as progressive libs in general intend to do exactly what you state in your eloquent post, but they intend to replace God with the state.
I agree that so-called Progressives intend good (in their minds) and to achieve said good, they intend to exterminate God and replace him with the State.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character.
Hey - let's blame it on the 'Space Race' and the 'Spirit of Science' and our national push to become the world's most technologically advanced society... ;)
Richard :munchin
Education and the Spirit of Science
EdPolicieCmsn NEAofUS, 1966
The Impact of Science and Technology Today, PP. 3-4
Today, the worldwide pursuit and spread of science and technology are commonly recognized. There is less recognition that the values and modes of thought which underlie science and technology also are becoming pervasive in the world. Yet these values and associated modes of thought may in the long run be more important to mankind and to education than the visible fruits of scientific and technological pursuits.
The most commonly recognized manifestations of the scientific and technological revolution are the material ones. The physical accoutrements and institutions of the advanced societies have been and continue to be altered; the living standards of many peoples have risen. But much more is changed than the material conditions of life. Modern industrialized societies possess basic elements which make them unique in history. Old routines and time-honored patterns of existence have been destroyed or profoundly changed. Economic systems are modified at an accelerating rate. The methods and results of science introduce a widespread skepticism and willingness to forgo traditional ways in art and philosophy, and they both force and enable theologians to consider new ways of defending the validity and relevance of faith.
In addition, the scientific and technological revolution affects the very texture of thinking of thecommon man. The gulf inspirit between this age and all previous ages is perhaps more vast than the gulf in external appearances. Newor modified values and attitudes, combining to producea new perspective on life, are gaining currency in the industrialized countries. The spread of technology is accompanied byan increasing respect for utility, efficiency, and practical results and an increasing interdependence of individuals. The spread of science promotes respect for the role of reason in human affairs by demonstrating the power of the mind when used in accordance with the spirit of science. There is a tendency to be suspicious of absolutes, a respect for tentativeness, a kind of working skepticism. Science poses a clear challenge to pretensions of absolute certainty. It promotes respect for intellectual flexibility and creativity, for the ability to revise or discard old hypotheses and to form and substantiate new ones. There is also a tendency to see the world in an evolutionary frame of reference, to recognize that what exists now may not have existed in the past and that all things are in a process of becoming.
[ Modern industrialized societies possess basic elements which make them unique in history. Old routines and time-honored patterns of existence have been destroyed or profoundly changed. [/I]
Time-honored patterns of existence are time-honored because they work. The ones that are currently being destroyed will show, as always, that when something works, you don't fix it.
The Hitler Youth is a good example of kids belonging to the community. How'd that pan out?
I like what Rand Paul says about fixing it:
http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2013/04/10/exclusive-rand-paul-says-america-needs-a-spiritual-cleansing.aspx
Senator Rand Paul: "People say you shouldn't talk about moral issues. Well, I think there are moral issues that no law will be able to fix but there's no reason why a political leader can't also have some impact in moral issues that really the law may not be able to fix but maybe by me saying that the marriage unit, the marriage unit, the family unit is an important structure, it's been with us for thousands of years and we shouldn't give up on that."
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
In Afghanistan, children are referred ro as gifts of God even in the most wretched of circumstances. I always kept a little hope for the Afghans because of this.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character. YMMV,MOO.
Very well said! You made my morning...
Team Sergeant
04-11-2013, 12:34
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
In Afghanistan, children are referred ro as gifts of God even in the most wretched of circumstances. I always kept a little hope for the Afghans because of this.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character. YMMV,MOO.
I'm not sure you are reading the same articles I am, that "gifts of god" thing only refers to the Afghan boys. Or are you forgetting the acid in the face of many little Afghan girls (thrown by Afghan men) attempting to attend school? How many honor killings have been Afghan boys?
We "own" our children?
I own a lot of things but I don't own people.
I use a lot of things too; as well as profit from some, too.
God blessed me with my children, gave them to me to love and raise, cherish and train.
We "owe" our children. We owe them our best, our honesty, our trust. We owe them the best life training we can provide them (even when it's F-ing piano lesson on Opening Day). When we can't do it ourselves we look to the community in ever widening circles until our God given responsibilities. We accept that sometimes our best and even the community's best isn't going to be enough and we will stand before God and be held responsible. Fortunately, God is loving and forgiving.
In Afghanistan, children are referred ro as gifts of God even in the most wretched of circumstances. I always kept a little hope for the Afghans because of this.
I'm pretty sure the ownership comment was just the natural progression of all things PS to eventually come circle back to blame someone and ascribe it to a defect of philosophy and character. YMMV,MOO.
I might add that.....GOD is not foolish and knows the heart of everybody.