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Team Sergeant
04-04-2013, 13:33
Good for Indiana!!!!
Indiana advances first-in-nation proposal to require arming school officials
Published April 04, 2013
FoxNews.com
Indiana lawmakers are pushing to make their state the first in the nation to require every school to have an armed employee on site, a proposal that aligns with recent recommendations from a National Rifle Association study.
The proposal in Indiana advanced through a House committee Tuesday. It goes beyond a law signed last month in South Dakota that would allow -- but not require -- teachers to carry guns.
The Indiana bill would mandate that one officer in every public and charter school have a loaded weapon during school hours. The officers could be police officers or other non-educators but also could be teachers or principals.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/04/indiana-advances-first-in-nation-bill-to-require-arming-school-officials/#ixzz2PWbbHRoF
Streck-Fu
04-04-2013, 13:37
There is a fair amount of push back for making it a requirement. Many prefer that the school districts are allowed to decide.....which is weird because I'm not aware of any restrictions against armed security on campus.
I think having a few armed employees (teachers and administrators) would be more effective than a single security officer. That single officer is the obvious first target once removed exposes everyone else. Armed staff allows for a more unpredictable response.
As an Indiana resident with two elementary age children and wife that substitute teaches, this is my preference. My wife has already stated that, if this is approved, she would be willing to get more training and carry at school.
The current procedures for an intruder are completely inadequate and unrealistic (having some kids hide in the restroom which has only one entrance, for example).
Team Sergeant
04-04-2013, 13:50
I don't think you can force any teacher or administrator to carry a weapon. I've seen schools with no men on the campus, only female teachers. Most of them lean far left that that means very few could be considered to carry.
This is going to end up with armed security guards, which is better than nothing. A good guard is not going to allow himself to be shot without a fight. I think a lot of retired LEO's and veterans would heed such a call.
They've got the right azimuth.
PedOncoDoc
04-04-2013, 15:18
I've had several conversations with the principal at my children's elementary school about school security. He owns firearms and regularly shoots to keep his skills up. In the wake of Sandy Hook he was hoping Michigan would pass the enhanced CCW permit legislation that was on the table and would have allowed people who receive additional training to carry in "gun free zones", including schools. Unfortunately, Michigan waffled in the wake of Sandy Hook and the enhanced CCW did not go through.
This gentleman knows every child in that school by name and personally follows up with parents if they have any concerns, or if their child has been having problems and/or was involved in an incident.
We are very happy that he is the head of our elementary school and I wish there were more like him.
Badger52
04-05-2013, 03:55
Paragraph 2, in post #3 here (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40772) - good to see a heavier watt light bulb coming on. Something to be decided locally, as it should be, because they live with their concerns, or find solutions.
(1VB)compforce
04-05-2013, 17:38
Heard an interesting idea from either Greg Gutfield or Dana Perino of "The Five" on Fox. (I forget which said it, but the thought stuck). The idea was "why not have something similar to the Air Marshalls in the schools?" Let everyone know you're doing it, but not which schools or which people are carrying on any given day.
I think it would be a pretty good idea personally. Your thoughts?
Team Sergeant
04-05-2013, 20:47
Heard an interesting idea from either Greg Gutfield or Dana Perino of "The Five" on Fox. (I forget which said it, but the thought stuck). The idea was "why not have something similar to the Air Marshalls in the schools?" Let everyone know you're doing it, but not which schools or which people are carrying on any given day.
I think it would be a pretty good idea personally. Your thoughts?
The ideas are coming.....
Heard an interesting idea from either Greg Gutfield or Dana Perino of "The Five" on Fox. (I forget which said it, but the thought stuck). The idea was "why not have something similar to the Air Marshalls in the schools?" Let everyone know you're doing it, but not which schools or which people are carrying on any given day.
I think it would be a pretty good idea personally. Your thoughts?
There were Air Marshalls on 11 Sep 2001.
Based upon my experiences, the on-going visibility of school security, from limiting and controlling routine access to the presence of armed security personnel on campus and during extra-curricular events, is an important factor in managing the angst of students, faculty, and families, as well as for thwarting the plans of many potential intruders.
Richard :munchin
medic&commo
04-06-2013, 07:34
Glad to see the gun control issue is going beyond emotion and into substitive solutions to fix the problem.
m&c
This has been a no brainer since the first major school shooting in Pearl, MS. If you recall, Luke Woodham shot his mother at home and then took a rifle and a handgun or to to Pearl High School. where he shot and killed his ex-girlfriend and another girl. He wounded several other students. He then let the high school and was walking to the junior high to commit more mayhem. Joel Myrick, Asst. Principal at Pearl High, heard the intial shots, ran out to his pick up truck and recovered his 1911. He then intercepted Woodham on his way to the junior high, tackled him, disarmed him and held him until LEOs arrived. Joel was a classmate of my youngest brother, (R.H. Watkins HS, Laurel, MS. '79) and was a LTC in the MS ARNG at the time. He subsequently went to Hah-vard to earn a PhD in education. While there it became known to his classmates that he was the guy that "pulled a gun" on one of his students. No one would talk to him after that. Unbelievable!
The pendulum might be starting to swing back a little, though. I heard Dave Ross, a completely exsanguinated heart liberal commentator on the CBS Radio Network, recount Joel's heroism in his daily two minute noon blurb in a GLOWINGLY POSITIVE manner! I was stunned! He actually suggested that it was THE solution. We'll see....
He subsequently went to Hah-vard to earn a PhD in education. While there it became known to his classmates that he was the guy that "pulled a gun" on one of his students. No one would talk to him after that. Unbelievable!
Not anymore. Not in the United Flock of Americal.
Not anymore. Not in the United Flock of Americal.
Yeah, Dusty, you're right on that. I guess the truly unbelievable part is Dave Ross giving a postive spin on Joel.
Well the Sandy Hook school in Connecticut already voted unanimously for armed school security last month. Ironic considering the lambasting Wayne LaPierre took for suggesting armed security as something to try.
Since when did lib hypocrisy become ironic?
Well the Sandy Hook school in Connecticut already voted unanimously for armed school security last month. Ironic considering the lambasting Wayne LaPierre took for suggesting armed security as something to try.
Too bad all those new gun control laws will prevent anyone from being armed in CT...
I'm hoping Colt decides to move to PA...