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Richard
03-26-2013, 20:06
Now this could cause some problems...

Richard :munchin

US Training Syrian Fighters in Jordan
AP, 25 Mar 2013

For months now, the United States has been training secular Syrian fighters in Jordan with the goal of bolstering the array of forces battling President Bashar Assad's regime while at the same time strengthening the hand of moderates among the country's fractured opposition, American and foreign officials said. They said the effort is ongoing.

The training has been taking place since late last year at an unspecified location, concentrating largely on Sunnis and tribal Bedouins who formerly served as members of the Syrian army, officials told The Associated Press. The forces aren't members of the leading rebel group, the Free Syrian Army, they said. The U.S. and others fear the growing role of extremist militia groups in the rebel ranks, including some linked to al-Qaida.

Officials said the operation is being run by U.S. intelligence. But those in Washington stressed that the U.S. was only providing nonlethal aid at this point, stopping short of a step that is being increasingly advocated by lawmakers in Congress but which the Obama administration opposes.

Others such as Britain and France are involved, officials added, though it's unclear whether any Western government is providing materiel or other direct military support after two years of civil war that, according to the United Nations, already has killed more than 70,000 people.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly about the program.

Officially, the Obama administration has been vague on the subject of what type of military training it may be providing, while insisting that it is doing all it can -- short of providing weapons to the rebels or engaging in its own military intervention - to hasten the demise of the Assad family's four-decade dictatorship.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday the U.S. has "provided some logistical nonlethal support that has also come in handy for the Syrian rebels who are, again, fighting a regime that is not hesitating to use the military might of that regime against its own people.

"That is something we're going to continue to work to bring to an end," he told reporters.

It's unclear what effect the training has had in the conflict. It has become a quagmire, with Assad's regime unable to snuff out the rebellion and Syria's opposition incapable thus far of delivering any serious blow to the ruling government's grip on Damascus and control over much of the country.

Some of the Syrians the U.S. is involved with are in turn training other Syrians inside the country, officials said.

They declined to provide more information because they said that would go too deep into intelligence matters. Defense Department officials insisted the Pentagon isn't involved with any military training or arms provisions to the Syrian rebels, either directly or indirectly. The CIA declined to comment.

The New York Times reported Monday that the CIA helped Arab governments and Turkey sharply increase their military aid to Syria's opposition in recent months, with secret airlifts of arms and equipment. It cited traffic data, officials in several countries and rebel commanders, and said the airlift began on a small scale a year ago but has expanded steadily to more than 160 military cargo flights by Jordanian, Saudi and Qatari planes landing at Turkish and Jordanian airports.

The training in Jordan, however, suggests the U.S. help is aimed somewhat at enhancing the rebels' capacity in southern Syria, the birthplace of the revolution two years ago when teenagers in the sleepy agricultural outpost of Dara'a scribbled graffiti on a wall and were tossed into jail, spurring Syria's own version of an Arab Spring uprising. Much of the violence since, however, has been in the northern part of the country, where rebels have scored several military successes after the Assad regime cracked down brutally on peaceful protesters.

Despite months of U.S. and international support to build a cohesive political movement, Syria's fractured opposition is still struggling to rally Syrians behind a common post-Assad vision. And the opposition coalition appears as much hampered by its political infighting as its military deficiencies against an Assad regime arsenal of tanks, fighter jets and Scud missiles.

The coalition's president, Mouaz al-Khatib, resigned his position Sunday because of what he described as restrictions on his work and frustration with the level of international aid. He said Monday he would still represent the opposition this week in Doha, where the Gulf state of Qatar will host a two-day Arab League summit starting Tuesday.

Al-Khatib's resignation comes only days after the opposition chose Ghassan Hitto, a long-time Texas resident, to head its interim government after intense wrangling over posts and influence that U.S. officials say has strained the opposition's unity and caused friction among its primary benefactors Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey.

It's also unclear how al-Khatib's departure will affect the U.S. goal of political negotiations with amenable members of the Assad regime to end the civil war, given the moderate preacher's support for talks. Much of the Syrian opposition, including Hitto, rejects such talks.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/03/26/us-training-syrian-fighters-in-jordan-officials.html?ESRC=eb.nl

mark46th
03-26-2013, 20:18
Remember lessons learned from Fidel and the Taliban....

MtnGoat
03-27-2013, 16:03
Remember lessons learned from Fidel and the Taliban....

Amen Brother!!

Trapper John
03-27-2013, 17:23
Hmmm? Sounds familiar- see the attachment in the thread "Special Operations Seek Bigger Role in Conflict Resolutions" Post #5.

IMO this is conceptually a good strategy, especially in that the Syrian regime is an Iranian surrogate. As before the issue boils down to political will to provide the necessary level of support over the long haul.

FID missions IMO are very effective strategies to prevent more costly big Army interventions. I am just not sure that the political leadership has figured out how to effectively employ the strategy.

aussie
05-29-2013, 08:16
I think getting involved in Syria is a bad idea. Look at Egypt and Libya, both now run by Islamic fundamentalists. My opinion is that if Assad falls from power, then extremist elements will take over. True you mitigate the Iranian, Hezbollah, Syrian partnership; however, the difference being that Assad is a known entity, his regime is predictable. If the Al Ansur come to power in Syria, the long term implications are unpredicatable. We might find ourselves back in Syria like Afganistan, advocating free rights for women and dismantling the next terrorist training nests...my 2 cents.

As for the strategy? The Arabs are kept at bay with a secular dictator, I say we keep him there...

Team Sergeant
05-29-2013, 09:06
I think getting involved in Syria is a bad idea. Look at Egypt and Libya, both now run by Islamic fundamentalists. My opinion is that if Assad falls from power, then extremist elements will take over. True you mitigate the Iranian, Hezbollah, Syrian partnership; however, the difference being that Assad is a known entity, his regime is predictable. If the Al Ansur come to power in Syria, the long term implications are unpredicatable. We might find ourselves back in Syria like Afganistan, advocating free rights for women and dismantling the next terrorist training nests...my 2 cents.

As for the strategy? The Arabs are kept at bay with a secular dictator, I say we keep him there....

I could not agree more...... but with the current simply minded administration we are dammed to repeat the past mistakes. Our children will be fighting in the middle east in the decades to come.

SF Hunter
05-29-2013, 09:54
I think getting involved in Syria is a bad idea. Look at Egypt and Libya, both now run by Islamic fundamentalists. My opinion is that if Assad falls from power, then extremist elements will take over. True you mitigate the Iranian, Hezbollah, Syrian partnership; however, the difference being that Assad is a known entity, his regime is predictable. If the Al Ansur come to power in Syria, the long term implications are unpredicatable. We might find ourselves back in Syria like Afganistan, advocating free rights for women and dismantling the next terrorist training nests...my 2 cents.

As for the strategy? The Arabs are kept at bay with a secular dictator, I say we keep him there...

I could not agree more...... but with the current simply minded administration we are dammed to repeat the past mistakes. Our children will be fighting in the middle east in the decades to come.

You are both right as rain. Syria is not a civil war, but a religious war. We have no business getting involved in Syria. Neither side is friend of the U.S. and it will come to bite us in the butt.

What The Syrian Civil War Is Really All About
http://sofrep.com/21100/what-the-syrian-civil-war-is-really-all-about/

AF Doc
05-29-2013, 21:19
Neither side is friend of the U.S. and it will come to bite us in the butt.



Concur. Syria is a lose/lose situation. Stand back and let them sort this out. I don't see the point in antagonizing the Russians either.

mark46th
05-29-2013, 21:22
I'm not sure how we could have done this but I would have been for getting involved if there was a way we could have used the situation to knock out or at least put a serious crimp in the Hezbollah/Hamas/Iran connection.

MR2
05-29-2013, 22:52
Getting involved? Harry Reid would have us build a high-speed rail line from the Iranian border straight into Southern Lebanon and called it "Winning". :mad:

mark46th
05-30-2013, 17:53
Brush- Kinda like we should have been doing in Afghanistan all this time...

Trapper John
06-28-2013, 10:32
I wonder how the CIA vetting process is going?

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Attack-on-Greek-Orthodox-cathedral-in-Damascus-leaves-at-least-four-people-dead-28324.html

SF_BHT
06-28-2013, 11:02
I wonder how the CIA vetting process is going?

http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Attack-on-Greek-Orthodox-cathedral-in-Damascus-leaves-at-least-four-people-dead-28324.html

Ok I do not see the connection?:confused:

Trapper John
06-28-2013, 11:42
Sorry, sometimes I am thinking so loudly that I think others can hear me. :D

The connection is, as confirmed by the MSM recently, that the U.S. will be arming Syrian rebels that have been "vetted" by the CIA. An exercise in folly IMO. The post was a case-in-point.

SF_BHT
06-28-2013, 12:09
Sorry, sometimes I am thinking so loudly that I think others can hear me. :D

The connection is, as confirmed by the MSM recently, that the U.S. will be arming Syrian rebels that have been "vetted" by the CIA. An exercise in folly IMO. The post was a case-in-point.

Ok that is what I thought but what about the other 90% of the remaining fanatics out here. Also that article had no linkage to a vetted group.....

I think it was just the everyday Islamic nut that hates anyone that is not a Muslim.

Trapper John
06-28-2013, 12:18
I think it was just the everyday Islamic nut that hates anyone that is not a Muslim.

And that is my point. So what portion of the population is not the everyday Islamic nut that hates anyone is not a Muslim. Think of it as a Venn diagram. There is no intersection that IDs non-hating Islamists, IMO. Hence the exercise in futility.

But hey, it's PC!

PS: no linkage to a vetted group - yet. Just wait.

SF_BHT
06-28-2013, 12:43
And that is my point. So what portion of the population is not the everyday Islamic nut that hates anyone is not a Muslim. Think of it as a Venn diagram. There is no intersection that IDs non-hating Islamists, IMO. Hence the exercise in futility.

But hey, it's PC!

PS: no linkage to a vetted group - yet. Just wait.

Hayyyyy this is PS.com not PC.com. Stop that shit!!!!!

Speak your mind. You have earned it as that is why you have a QP on your title.

Trapper John
06-28-2013, 13:14
Hayyyyy this is PS.com not PC.com. Stop that shit!!!!!

Speak your mind. You have earned it as that is why you have a QP on your title.

:D:D But I was referring to the CIAs PC exercise in "vetting" Islamists on our side (excuse the oxymoron). Not referring to my opinions - they're only C not PC. ;)

Dog Pound Zulu
06-29-2013, 22:32
At a secret base in Jordan, U.S Special forces are training Syrian rebels for war...but loads fear sleeper cells in their nation will wreak a terrible revenge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351622/Assad-busters-At-secret-base-Jordan-U-S-Special-forces-training-Syrian-rebels-war--loads-fear-sleeper-cells-nation-wreak-terrible-revenge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

tunanut
07-01-2013, 05:44
I wonder if we're training or arming these guys?

EXTREMELY GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1372329728

From the Fides News Agency (news agency of the Vatican)

On Sunday, June 23 the Syrian priest François Murad was killed in Gassanieh, in northern Syria, in the convent of the Custody of the Holy Land where he had taken refuge. This is confirmed by a statement of the Custos of the Holy Land sent to Fides Agency. The circumstances of the death are not fully understood. According to local sources, the monastery where Fr. Murad was staying was attacked by militants linked to the jihadi group Jabhat al-Nusra.

SF_BHT
07-01-2013, 05:59
I wonder if we're training or arming these guys?

EXTREMELY GRAPHIC
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1372329728

From the Fides News Agency (news agency of the Vatican)

On Sunday, June 23 the Syrian priest François Murad was killed in Gassanieh, in northern Syria, in the convent of the Custody of the Holy Land where he had taken refuge. This is confirmed by a statement of the Custos of the Holy Land sent to Fides Agency. The circumstances of the death are not fully understood. According to local sources, the monastery where Fr. Murad was staying was attacked by militants linked to the jihadi group Jabhat al-Nusra.

And what does this have to do with training or arming fighters? Post links and information that is supportive or counter to the thread topic.

We all know that there are fanatics out there doing terrible things.

Trapper John
07-01-2013, 06:38
At a secret base in Jordan, U.S Special forces are training Syrian rebels for war...but loads fear sleeper cells in their nation will wreak a terrible revenge.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2351622/Assad-busters-At-secret-base-Jordan-U-S-Special-forces-training-Syrian-rebels-war--loads-fear-sleeper-cells-nation-wreak-terrible-revenge.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I saw that too. FID plain and simple. Training foreign fighters in a third neutral country. Good plan IMO. Did exactly that wrt the Cambodes in RVN '72. We are following the same plan now wrt Syria.