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sinjefe
03-05-2013, 09:09
This topic has come up in other threads. I have stated that I don't believe there is a right to vote. Others have countered that the 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th and 26th amendment guarantee the right to vote. My argument to that is that those amendments, essentially, forbid the federal government from discriminating due to race, age, gender, etc but don't gaurantee a right to vote.

I found this:

The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College. U.S. Const., Art. II, §1. This is the source for the statement in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U.S. 1, 35 (1892), that the State legislature’s power to select the manner for appointing electors is plenary; it may, if it so chooses, select the electors itself, which indeed was the manner used by State legislatures in several States for many years after the Framing of our Constitution. Id., at 28—33. History has now favored the voter, and in each of the several States the citizens themselves vote for Presidential electors. When the state legislature vests the right to vote for President in its people, the right to vote as the legislature has prescribed is fundamental; and one source of its fundamental nature lies in the equal weight accorded to each vote and the equal dignity owed to each voter. The State, of course, after granting the franchise in the special context of Article II, can take back the power to appoint electors. See id., at 35 (“[T]here is no doubt of the right of the legislature to resume the power at any time, for it can neither be taken away nor abdicated”) (quoting S. Rep. No. 395, 43d Cong., 1st Sess.).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html

it seems to me that this decision is saying that the Supreme court has found that state legislatures determine whether or not there is a "right" to vote or not.

Tthoughts?

miclo18d
03-05-2013, 10:53
I guess you are referring to a Federal Right to Vote. You would be correct as to the original 1787 US Constitution if you are talking about presidential elections.


The people are to choose their representative.
US CONSTITUTION Article. I. Section. 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

The right to vote for your Representative.



In 1912 through the Amendment process the Constitution changed through the 17th Amendment to Direct election of Senators from election by state assemblies.
AMENDMENT XVII

Passed by Congress May 13, 1912. Ratified April 8, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 3, of the Constitution was modified by the 17th amendment.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

Giving the right to vote for your Senators.



Nothing has changed for the the presidential elections and there have been several cases where Presidents were elected without the popular vote (i.e. direct democratic election). They are given electoral votes by each state. the states were given freedom to dole out the electors as they deemed and most states deemed that the people vote for the passage of the state's electoral votes a mix of direct votes and state votes as Madison viewed it here:

In the Federalist No. 39, James Madison argued that the Constitution was designed to be a mixture of state-based and population-based government. The Congress would have two houses: the state-based Senate and the population-based House of Representatives. Meanwhile, the President would be elected by a mixture of the two modes.

Additionally, in the Federalist No. 10, James Madison argued against "an interested and overbearing majority" and the "mischiefs of faction" in an electoral system. He defined a faction as "a number of citizens whether amounting to a majority or minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community." Republican government (i.e., federalism, as opposed to direct democracy), with its varied distribution of voter rights and powers, would countervail against factions. Madison further postulated in the Federalist No. 10 that the greater the population and expanse of the Republic, the more difficulty factions would face in organizing due to such issues as sectionalism.

For my state Florida:
103.011 Electors of President and Vice President.—Electors of President and Vice President, known as presidential electors, shall be elected on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November of each year the number of which is a multiple of 4. Votes cast for the actual candidates for President and Vice President shall be counted as votes cast for the presidential electors supporting such candidates. The Department of State shall certify as elected the presidential electors of the candidates for President and Vice President who receive the highest number of votes.
History.—ss. 2, 3, ch. 3879, 1889; RS 157; s. 4, ch. 4328, 1895; s. 3, ch. 4537, 1897; GS 174; RGS 218; CGL 253; s. 2, ch. 25383, 1949; s. 7, ch. 26870, 1951; ss. 10, 35, ch. 69-106; s. 32, ch. 77-175.
Note.—Former s. 98.07.

Simply put whoever wins the Florida popular vote, gets Forida's electoral votes.

There is a right to vote for your Representative and for your Senator... and a quasi-right to vote for president based on your state's election rules.

The argument of the 15th, 19th, 23rd, 24th and 26th amendments only concern race, sex, age and DC not your actual right to vote.



You can be restricted from voting, have your rights to vote nullified by the state.

In Florida you must be a US Citizen, a Florida Resident, 18 or older, not now be adjudicated mentally incapacitated with respect to voting in Florida or any other state without having the right to vote restored, not have been convicted of a felony without your civil rights having been restored, and provide your current and valid Florida driver’s license number or Florida identification card number.

Richard
03-05-2013, 11:04
Don't confuse the selection of electors for the electoral College and the individual citizen's right to vote for our governing bodies representatives.

Richard :munchin