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http://redflagnews.com/headlines/disarming-americas-heros-veterans-receiving-official-letters-prohibiting-them-from-purchasing-possessing-receiving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition
jkirkthomas
02-21-2013, 13:25
As I said in a post on another thread, "Don't anybody ever accuse me of wearing a tin-foil hat when THIS kind of crap is happening!"
Tell me it isn't going to get any worse. I won't believe you. It's going to get MUCH worse.
Streck-Fu
02-21-2013, 13:27
Are copies of the letter available?
As someone who is involved in the IDES process and works with the VA can I FINALLY get an Amen?! I have Chicken Littled the shit out of this issue. The DHS 2009 declaration of us as potential domestic terrorists along with the incredibly BuStEd VA fiduciary appointment system equals one thing - NO weapons for Vets. I done told ya and told ya...Praise The Lord, Pass the ammunition and tin foil hats.
Are copies of the letter available?
Psst...scroll to the bottom of the webpage linked in the OP.
Streck-Fu
02-21-2013, 20:04
Psst...scroll to the bottom of the webpage linked in the OP.
Missed it. Thank you.
The Blog was updated with the .pdf's of the letter.
I'd seen the original Blog a bit before it was posted here and there was no letter attached. Now there is.
Now viewing the letter - if it's real - it is addressed to one individual - not a form letter to thousands of Vets. I don't know the medical status of the individual so I don't know if the letter needed to be sent or not.
But I have stated many times over the years that this would be an easy step for the Feds to take.
FlagDayNCO
02-22-2013, 07:51
I recall a few of our senior NCOs hinting that this could happen.
Also look at the current Federal AWB proposals that include the mental health aspect. Though the VA previously indicated "no, the VA would NEVER do that", the recent Dear Leader list of proposals included the VA sharing medical records with other Federal LE agencies in an effort to identify people that are mentally unstable.
The person most feared by the Gubmint is a Veteran with a firearm. Just look at the DHS listing Veterans as potential Domestic Terrorists.
Sick as it is, it is just another tactic being employed by the Political Elite to strengthen their position.
Remember, this is not just Federal, these attacks are coming from every level. State and Local officials are using boiler plate text to draft an ever increasing number of documents to limit our freedom. I have observed this in my own town and school district, and have taken active steps to thwart their efforts. Even if you don't have children or they are beyond school age, attend the school board/ district meetings. That is where much of this starts and runs parallel to the main political movements.
As I said in a post on another thread, "Don't anybody ever accuse me of wearing a tin-foil hat when THIS kind of crap is happening!"
Tell me it isn't going to get any worse. I won't believe you. It's going to get MUCH worse.
Remember,, Every time you fill in an ATF form 4473 to purchase a firearm, there is question F
f.Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court, board(read VA PTSD disability request), commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or to others or are incompetent to manage your own affair OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution? YES NO (See Instructions/or Question II.)
This started with the GCA of 1968.
I would strongly encourage the VA to inform all PTSD disability applicants that they may lose the ability to own weapons...
I'm employed by the VA and handle Veterans records everyday. To my knowledge the VA can not release any of your information to another department or facility without your written permission in the form of a ROI Relase Of Information form that needs to be signed and dated for each thing the Veteran is agreeing to let someone else see.
I'm employed by the VA and handle Veterans records everyday. To my knowledge the VA can not release any of your information to another department or facility without your written permission in the form of a ROI Relase Of Information form that needs to be signed and dated for each thing the Veteran is agreeing to let someone else see.
It appears they are not releasing this info to anyone.....they are the originating agency for those letters. Screening records and directed to send docs with this info/warning.
To my knowledge the VA can not release any of your information to another department or facility without your written permission in the form of a ROI Relase Of Information form that needs to be signed and dated for each thing the Veteran is agreeing to let someone else see.
Today. Remember the President's speech on gun control in January? The one where he proposed:
Today the Administration is taking four actions to strengthen the system:
o Addressing unnecessary legal barriers in health laws that prevent some states from making information available about those prohibited from having guns.
o Improving incentives for states to share information with the system.
o Ensuring federal agencies share relevant information with the system.
o Directing the Attorney General to work with other agencies to review our laws to make sure they are effective at identifying the dangerous or untrustworthy individuals that should not have access to guns.
Emphasis mine
Don't think for a second that there won't be a push to ammend HIPPA and other privacy laws to ensure no one 'falls through the cracks' and escapes being reported.
Badger52
02-22-2013, 13:37
At least a couple of the state-specific measures being undertaken in parallel with the Feinstein monster have little provisos in there that requires ID (and denial of permission to own) for those who VOLUNTARILY admitted themselves into the care or services of a mental health facility for 30 days or more. Forget being adjudicated incompetent in some way in a court of law.
I don't need to run that down; you're all capable of exploring that rabbit hole. Quite the list if the SOTU presenter's Attorney General gets sufficient latitude into medical records.
From talking with some folks I know over at the VA here they are becoming increasingly glad that several of their programs are regarded as - and on record as - "out patient" whether the vet is living there for a few weeks or not.
Today. Remember the President's speech on gun control in January? The one where he proposed:
Don't think for a second that there won't be a push to ammend HIPPA and other privacy laws to ensure no one 'falls through the cracks' and escapes being reported.
I'm not up in management or anything but I do work with Veterans records and with some of the letters that go out to them. I will keep an eye out and watch & listen for any such talk about this. Will post if I find anything. We are required to re-new our HIPPA training every year so we'll see if this comes up.
FMF DOC
What I find interesting in reading the documents posted on the redflagnews.com,
Is that the veteran in question maybe rated incompetent. Two issues are at hand in this document. 1 is the 2nd Amendment right maybe prohibited by the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. 2 is the finding of inability of the veteran to handle VA funds because of mental or physical condition.
Feinstein Says PTSD Veterans Who Fought For The Second Amendment Shouldn’t Have Guns
Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/03/feinstein-says-ptsd-veterans-who-fought-for-the-second-amendment-shouldnt-have-guns/#ixzz2MyKUTS2W
".........“…this adds an exemption of retired military. As I understand our bill, no issue has arose in this regard during the 10 years the expired ban was effect… and what we did in the other bill was exempt possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States… that included active military. The problem with expanding this is that you know with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this. So you know I would be happy to sit down with you again and see if we could work something out but I think we have to — if you’re going to do this, find a way that veterans who are incapacitated for one reason or another mentally don’t have access to this kind of weapon.”........"
Watch the clip and see what she said. I told you they are going to push this. Floating the trial balloon to see how far it goes................
...The problem with expanding this is that you know with the advent of PTSD, which I think is a new phenomenon as a product of the Iraq War, it’s not clear how the seller or transferrer of a firearm covered by this bill would verify that an individual was a member, or a veteran, and that there was no impairment of that individual with respect to having a weapon like this.
WTF? Sure, the name may be relatively new, but what about Soldier's Heart, Shell-Shock, Combat Fatigue, etc. (interesting article on that subject here (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heart/themes/shellshock.html))? IMO the seller doesn't need to know. If the buyer has a documented mental illness that can prove a Veteran is unstable to the point of not being around firearms, that's one thing. That particular case would probably preclude them from being around other means of harmful materials as well, and require institutionalization of some sort. If a Veteran has been diagnosed with PTSD for sleep related issues, startle response, social anxiety, and other non-threatening symptoms, it is no one's business but the Veteran(s). She needs to gather her opinions and minions, and then jump off a cliff.
The Reaper
03-08-2013, 17:34
Wow.:eek:
Her knowledge of military psychological problems is amazing.:rolleyes:
Maybe people who have been institutionalized for mental problems and who represent a serious threat to others should have their names in a database and have their driver's licenses stamped "Crazy".
Or maybe they shouldn't be allowed access to motor vehicles, either.
While we are at it, maybe people who are claiming PTSD, but who never deployed or saw combat should be denied the benefits.
Just a random thought.
TR
I have PTSD just from reading that crap!
Streck-Fu
03-09-2013, 09:12
Carlin nailed it....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE_unBFxuU
medic&commo
03-09-2013, 09:43
Carlin nailed it....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYE_unBFxuU
I dunno, who to believe?
Carlin - master of the English language or
Feinstein - master of MSU (making sh*t up).
m&c
RedLegGI
03-09-2013, 21:40
Something interesting to watch for on this would be the fast tracking of PTSD claims from guys returning/separating. Right now with the VA they're pushing all OIF/OEF guys through as quickly as they can. As mentioned earlier with our being labeled as 'dangerous' its not that far of a jump for this to be implemented. The easiest way for them to deny a weapon is to do it with technicality.
Utah Bob
03-10-2013, 11:03
Boy am I relieved. I'll go tell some of my Nam vet friends that they couldn't have PTSD nd to just suck it up. Thanks Nancy.Btw, I got up this morning and urned on the tv while the coffee brewed. There was Nan on CNN full face in HD, being interviewd by Candy Crowley!
Damn near put me off my feed.
Sometimes this Hi Def thing isn't so great.
At least they weren't in 3D. :eek: