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cowboykpy
02-13-2013, 15:57
Topics addressed (if I missed something add to the list):
Social Security fix
tax reform
manufacturing hubs
research and development investments
energy/climate change-possible executive action
fix it first/infrastructure
mortgage re-financing
universal preschool
redesign of high school system
cost of higher education/college scorecard
immigration reform
gun control
What are your thoughts on the President's discussion of the forementioned topics and what did you think of the GOP response?
:munchin
He'll campaign against the evil Republican stance on each and every issue until the libdems have both sides of Congress, then he'll fully institute his socialist agenda relative to each subject with no Congressional opposition.
The big word on the speech--"Investment"
Riiiigghhtt.:munchin
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 16:10
First off, as a SOTU address, overall, I gave it a B-.
When he mentioned tax reform, specifically lowering the corporate rate, I asked, "Hasn't he been the POTUS for the last FOUR years?"
He played his gun control card very well, having 'stacked the deck' with the right people in the audience.
I think he made his immigration proposals sound tougher than they are. Nothing substantial about 'border security'.
No mention of from where the money for all those cool ideas would come.
Rubio did well, I think.
Divemaster
02-13-2013, 16:12
And POTUS said none of his proposals would increase the deficit.
Hey Pinocchio, your nose is growing.
What are your thoughts on the President's discussion of the forementioned topics and what did you think of the GOP response?
:munchin
With all due respect to the Office, thought I was watching David Letterman or an Infomercial. Cavuto actually compared it to the latter...
”for not one penny more you get all this plus...” add Cowboy's list...
All kidding aside got a call from the local Representative whom asked if I'd comment on it tonight. Got plenty of material.
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 16:34
With all due respect to the Office, thought I was watching David Letterman or an Infomercial. Cavuto actually compared it to the latter...
”for not one penny more you get all this plus...” add Cowboy's list...
All kidding aside got a call from the local Representative whom asked if I'd comment on it tonight. Got plenty of material.
If viewed as an 'infomercial' or Letterman, how is this SOTU address different from most - or all - of them?
If you don't mind, what kind of "Representative" and where - AZ or MT, and why you?
If viewed as an 'infomercial' or Letterman, how is this SOTU address different from most - or all - of them?
Interesting, because he is lying not only himself but everyone in the country. (ie. Selling crap). Accounting is black and white, no gray.
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If you don't mind, what kind of "Representative" and where - AZ or MT, and why you?
Actually do and find the question insulting.
Though I'll pm you the auto insurance rep's name later tonight :D
Zonies question didn't sound offensive to me...
"All kidding aside got a call from the local Representative whom asked if I'd comment on it tonight. Got plenty of material. "
Kinda leads to the question...who is the rep and why you? Just natural curiosity. PS.com might have its very own in-house celebrity.
Sorry your panties got all in a bunch.
Zonies question didn't sound offensive to me...
"All kidding aside got a call from the local Representative whom asked if I'd comment on it tonight. Got plenty of material. "
Kinda leads to the question...who is the rep and why you? Just natural curiosity. PS.com might have its very own in-house celebrity.
Sorry your panties got all in a bunch.
Point well taken, not a celebrity just a small business person. Will unbunch the panties and post it later tonight.
Point well taken, not a celebrity just a small business person. Will unbunch the panties and post it later tonight.
Please wash them first!
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 18:37
Interesting, because he is lying not only himself but everyone in the country. (ie. Selling crap). Accounting is black and white, no gray.
While I don't think the entire speech would fit this description, I don't necessarily disagree with calling it "selling crap"!
My point is that this is far from the first time that this has happened in a SOTU address. In my view, that is the primary purpose of the SOTU address - to sell. And someone is going to label what is being sold as "crap". (Remember how President Reagan's economic /taxation policies were framed by some?)
I apologize if you perceived my questions to be insulting. I thought you meant U.S. Representative, and if it was one from AZ, I wanted to know which one.
I thought you meant U.S. Representative, and if it was one from AZ, I wanted to know which one.
That was what seemed to be implied...
Ok, I'm on the phone right now...evidently its a teleconference town meeting with Rep. Steve Daines Montana...
Please wash them first!
My panties are binding again.
ZonieDiver:
Accept mine too.
I have dealt briefly with Senator McCain on a wildlife issue many years ago, he was helpful.
Chances of being able to speak are diminishing...think he called the whole damn state...lol
Updated: There went an hour and half...
Stiletto11
02-13-2013, 21:14
It was a dog and pony show for the herd.
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 21:19
No problem, badshot.
These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.
These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.
You are right, we all want our country to be the best it can be no matter what are differences are.
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 21:39
You are right, we all want our country to be the best it can be no matter what are differences are.
Well, most of 'us'!
I don't think I wear a tin-foil hat, but I will readily admit that there are those among us who don't wish well for the USofA.
There are also those who love their country, but have a strange and different view of what that country is or should be - perhaps from hanging out with 60's bomb-makers, who should have been imprisoned or executed. I don't think that makes those people evil (those with the strange and different views, not the former bomb-makers), it just makes them wrong.
I also think that when 'we' take on some of the attributes of those 60's bomb-makers, 'we' do not do our cause service. Instead, we do it harm.
But, that's just me.
Well, most of 'us'!
I don't think I wear a tin-foil hat, but I will readily admit that there are those among us who don't wish well for the USofA.
There are also those who love their country, but have a strange and different view of what that country is or should be - perhaps from hanging out with 60's bomb-makers, who should have been imprisoned or executed. I don't think that makes those people evil (those with the strange and different views, not the former bomb-makers), it just makes them wrong.
I also think that when 'we' take on some of the attributes of those 60's bomb-makers, 'we' do not do our cause service. Instead, we do it harm.
But, that's just me.
dido! And the arrogant poor souls whom make the truth what they want it to be...
ZonieDiver
02-13-2013, 21:55
Topics addressed (if I missed something add to the list):
Social Security fix
tax reform
manufacturing hubs
research and development investments
energy/climate change-possible executive action
fix it first/infrastructure
mortgage re-financing
universal preschool
redesign of high school system
cost of higher education/college scorecard
immigration reform
gun control
What are your thoughts on the President's discussion of the forementioned topics and what did you think of the GOP response?
:munchin
Back to the OP, which - by the way - was excellent. I gave a few thoughts. Anyone else have something of substance?
mark46th
02-13-2013, 22:38
SOTU Address- Just another "Kill the White People" speech...
dido!
Agggh! It's "ditto".
This is Dido:
Agggh! It's "ditto".
This is Dido:
I know...
IRA sympathizer
ZonieDiver
02-14-2013, 08:05
Agggh! It's "ditto".
<snip>
:D THIS is Ditto: (or this: or this:)
I am disappointed that whoever makes the decision to have guests appear at this type of thing used the parents of Hadiya Pendleton to push the gun control agenda instead of honoring the mother of a hero like Sgt. Justin Marquez (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40991) who made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms.
The parents of this poor girl sat up there with Michelle Obama like a spectacle; to push a corrupt and poorly thought out agenda.
Her blood is on your hands BHO: it happened in your city, with your gun control measures a mile away from your house. You should have thought twice before using this poor girl as a martyr for your cause.
I am not surprised, but I am disheartened.
cowboykpy
02-14-2013, 15:22
Most of the ideas are just that...ideas. He presents no concrete plan or method to achieve these lofty goals. I realize that the SOTU is not the forum to discuss the how of these reforms, but maybe changing the format wouldn't hurt.
The way he manipulated the crowd witht the gun control issue is appalling, and at the same time I have to give him or his staffers credit for creating the moment. I'm torn on the issue, I agree that if some new gun control regulation is coming it needs to be from the legislative branch, not an executive order, but I'm at a loss on how anyone thinks they can regulate a right that has been tested and upheld by the SCOTUS.
I don't like the idea of fixing the mortgage industry as we saw what happened last time we tried that. He could potentially get something done, but 5-10-15 years down the road we might be right back at 2007 with the housing market crash. I want more details.
High school reform, again idea seems interesting in having graduates receive a technical degree or Associates degree, but how is that going to happen. What is going to fund it.
I guess bottom line, it seems like the President has been hanging around the good idea fairy, and while some of his ideas sound interesting, but he hasn't explained how he's going to pay for all of these reforms. I don't for one second believe that this won't cost tax payers one dime.
I'm very interested to see if more details will be forthcoming from the White House.
:D THIS is Ditto: (or this: or this:)
Looks like some spatter, an anchor, and some good smellin' paper...:D
I'll ditto the last dido!
Maybe not GOP, good speach and wake up call for Americans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brL4MRUQdcw&feature=player_embedded
:D THIS is Ditto: (or this: or this:)
We called them "mimeos". :p And I ate the paste as well. :D
Pat