Obama Still Backs New Gun Plan; Top Senator Uncertain

[Dusty]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/04/politics/obama-guns/index.html

This article is the SOS, but I'm tired of this Obama quote:


"if there's one life we can save, we've got an obligation to try."


Obama is fond of making this statement.

If he truly believes it, why does he think Doctors should be able to let babies who survived an abortion die on the table?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_true_extremist_on_abortion.html

In Illinois, Obama voted three times against a bill, identical to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act supported at a federal level by ardent pro-aborts, that would require medical care for a baby who survives an abortion.

The bill was introduced after a nurse at an abortion mill testified that babies who survived abortions, and who could have survived if given medical care, were just left to die. Apparently unconcerned about these born babies, Obama declared that the need to protect abortion was so grave that it would be wrong to require medical care for babies who survive since that might chip away at abortion "rights" -- even though the bill specifically stated that it would have no impact on a woman's right to an abortion.

Obama has referred to babies born in botched abortions as a fetus outside the womb. Obama appears to be trying to justify the murder through inattention of a born human being because the mother wanted to kill the child.

President Obama believes that partial-birth abortion -- where, for example, a little girl is partially delivered until all but the her head is outside of her mother's body, whereupon the girl's brains are mushed up with a knife and her head crushed -- should be legal. The AMA declared that there is never a medical need for such a barbarous procedure.

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[Stargazer]

It is clear that the POTUS is following the same strategy that has worked so well for him. I recently became aware of the below initiative because female friends on FB are responding to this "Action Alert - How Can You Take Action to Reduce Gun Violence?"

http://new.gbgm-umc.org/umw/act/alerts/item/index.cfm?id=1044&fwcc=1&fwcl=1&fwl&fb_action_ids=10200275771598239&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210200275771598239%22%3A579 267578768586%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210200275771598239%22%3A%22og .likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=

http://www.demandaplan.org/


United Methodist Women joined more than 40 national faith groups signing a Jan. 14 ecumenical letter to both houses of the U.S. Congress asking for commonsense legislation to reduce gun violence.

The letter from the Faiths United To Prevent Gun Violence coalition calls for legislative action that:
•Mandates criminal background checks for every person seeking to purchase a gun. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System would be used in every gun sale, including online, gun show and private sales, not just those by licensed dealerships.
•Bans civilian access to high-capacity weapons and ammunition magazines. The group called for an updating the 2004 federal ban on assault weapons that would take such weapons out of local communities.
•Makes gun trafficking a federal crime. This would empower law enforcement to investigate and prosecute straw purchasers, gun traffickers and their criminal networks.

United Methodist Women’s national policymaking body was also a sponsor of what’s now Resolution 3426 “Gun Violence” initially adopted by the 1996 General Conference of The United Methodist Church. The measure, readopted and/or revised in 2000 and 2008 by the denomination’s General Conference, calls for support of federal legislation to regulate gun and ammunition imports, manufacturing, and sale and possession by the general public, including registration and licensing of purchasers and owners and appropriate background checks and waiting periods.

[Team Sergeant]

United Methodist Women

The sheeple are answering the call. Then again, most people cannot see past the raisins in their cereal bowl.
TS

[Razor]

I wonder if these women would still be on board if post-partum depression were added to a list of disqualifying conditions for buying/owning a gun.

[Stargazer]

Why limit it to post-partum depression... how about perimenopause where women can often experience depression.

Although my post was pertaining to women of the United Methodist Church -- the campaign is much broader. You have the President leading the charge with his media kickoff during the Super Bowl, to be followed by 'tours' at strategic cities across America.

At the grassroot level you have Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Celebrities, Silicon Valley Leaders/other tech wizards using resources to get the word out locally and on the net (FB and various other sites) directing individuals to get involved. Routing individuals to -- Demand A Plan which appears to be a well orchestrated effort made up of Mayors coalitiion, Technology Leaders, Celebrities, and faith-based organizations.... They are well rooted within communities across America.

I think about suggestions that have been made on this board in reaching out to those with opposing views to engage in a constructive dialogue. Having said that, my experience leads me to what Billy L-bach posted.

Billy L-bach quote from http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showpost.php?p=488407&postcount=5
Quick to exercise her own rights, quick to demonize others that want to defend those same rights, and not in possession of the self-awareness needed to separate the real villain from the villain created by the politics of control.


I read this today in a blog that I follow. For me, he did a good job describing what I see the divide to be. At this time, I am not sure how to go about bridging the gap as people seem to be entrenched. I am sure they would say the same of me. http://waronterrornews.typepad.com/ps/2013/02/the-post-american-century-the-ruler-becomes-the-sovereign.html

will not be that the resulting economic prosperity has waned, but rather that the concept of the Sovereign Citizen has been removed from reality. The prosperity of the People, and of the Nation, is a measure of the results of Liberty, not the measure of the American way of life. While that prosperity has attracted many that have not grasped the concept that government is subservient to the people, but Liberty prevents their belief that government is a tool to bar others their own Rights, prosperity is the result, not democracy, of Liberty.

[pcfixer]

Why Congress May Lawfully Require Citizens to Buy Guns & Ammunition, But Not To Submit To Obamacare


Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/02/why-congress-may-lawfully-require-citizens-to-buy-guns-ammunition-but-not-to-submit-to-obamacare/#ixzz2KbO5O656


Does Congress have authority in the Constitution to require this? Yes! Article I, Sec. 8, clause 16 says Congress has the Power:

“To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”

For actual quotes from Our Framers and irrefutable Proof that this is the purpose of the interstate commerce clause, see: “Does the Interstate Commerce Clause Authorize Congress to Force Us to Buy Health Insurance?”.

Obamacare is unconstitutional as outside the scope of the legislative powers granted to Congress by Our Constitution. And it does much more than force us to buy medical insurance. Obamacare turns medical care over to the federal government to control

[SF18C]

Even Obama's experts say his gun control policies won't work. According to an internal Department of Justice memorandum, a gun ban, like the one being debated right now in Congress, will not work without a mandatory gun buyback, and "universal" background checks will not work without requiring gun registration.

http://youtu.be/jHmxY7zE5uc

Gee, if only somebody had seen this coming...


The whole doc:

http://www.nraila.org/media/10883516/nij-gun-policy-memo.pdf

[Surgicalcric]

...I'm tired of this Obama quote:


"if there's one life we can save, we've got an obligation to try."


To which I say, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

[MR2]

This article is the SOS, but I'm tired of this Obama quote:


"if there's one life we can save, we've got an obligation to try."


What was the name of that Ambassador? Those other three Americans who died with him? What was the name of that city?

How many died at Fort Hood?

Goodbye Bobby, Martian, and John...

[Razor]

"if there's one life we can save, we've got an obligation to try."

Unless it involves alcohol abuse, reckless driving, child abuse, domestic altercations, heart disease...

[Utah Bob]

Goodbye Bobby, Martian, and John...

The middle guy was my favorite. I loved it when those little antenna came out of his head.
Great TV.:D

[Utah Bob]

"I don't care how many Jews I have to put in camps, if it just saves one German"
Adolf Hitler

Okay, he may not have actually said it but you get my drift.