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Dusty
02-03-2013, 05:36
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/03/conservatives-make-gun-issue-new-rallying-cry/

An immigration debate is raging and a budget crisis looms in Congress, but the conservative activists gathered outside the New Hampshire Statehouse had just one thing on their minds: guns.

"The Second Amendment is there to protect us from losing the rest of them," said Adam Brisebois, 34, of Hudson, who cradled his 3-year-old daughter on his right shoulder and a rifle on the left. "If we don't fight, we'll lose our rights."

Thursday's rally, organized by tea party leaders, drew nearly 500 people, many of them waving signs and carrying loaded weapons, to the state capital. Conservative leaders elsewhere report a wave of similar protests as grass-roots activists from Florida to Colorado seize on a new rallying cry for a tea party movement, which is trying to recover from a painful 2012 election season.

Many activists aren't happy with the GOP's sudden embrace of more lenient immigration proposals and they're monitoring the approaching congressional deadline to avoid massive cuts to military programs. But for now at least, the debate over guns and the perceived threat of losing them tops their list.

It's an "organic" movement with little coordination from national conservative organizations, according to Amy Kremer, chairman of the Tea Party Express. "It's happening by itself," she said.

It doesn't matter that neither President Barack Obama nor congressional Democrats are calling for a wholesale repeal of gun rights. Tea partyers are enraged by the possibility of any erosion of the Second Amendment's "right of the people to keep and bear arms."

The gun control debate in Washington took center stage after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre in December, when a gunman used a semi-automatic assault rifle to kill 26 people, 20 of them children. The Obama administration and congressional Democrats have promised to make gun restrictions a legislative priority. Obama already has proposed requiring background checks for all gun sales and reviving both an assault weapons ban and a 10-round limit on the size of ammunition magazines.

There was little mention of the school shooting at the New Hampshire rally, where the crowd focused squarely on the belief that helped lead to the creation of the tea party movement four years ago: that an overbearing government is trampling on the nation's founding principles.

"There is an assault going on on the Constitution. And that is job one of ours -- to protect our flank and protect gun owners," said Tom Gaitens, a Tampa, Fla.-based tea party leader. "To us, this is the fundamental issue on the founding of our nation."

Florida tea party activists already have traveled to Washington to protest new gun restrictions, and conservative leaders in the state are considering a series of gun-related rallies, Gaitens said.

Many protesters are hunters, but say access to hunting is not their prime concern -- just as a sign hanging behind the podium at the New Hampshire rally said: "The right to keep arms is not about deer hunting. It is about defending the republic from tyranny."

"I don't have an automatic weapon. I don't want an automatic weapon. But the citizens need to have guns that are equal to the guns that the government has," said Roger Rist, a 69-year-old business owner from Meredith. "I certainly hope I don't have to take up arms against the government. Might we have to? Yeah."

In Colorado, foes of illegal immigration have been quiet as the Democrat-controlled Legislature has moved to allow illegal immigrants to pay in-state tuition rates at state colleges and universities. Similar bills in the past drew dozens of angry witnesses, but only one man from a group opposing illegal immigration testified against it at the Statehouse this month, compared with a parade of supporters of the bill.

In contrast, gun advocates held a spirited rally at the Colorado Statehouse to oppose gun control measures and drew more than 100 people last month. They also held a widely-publicized training recently for teachers and school workers who want to carry guns at the workplace.

In Georgia, tea party conservatives have introduced a range of bills that together would effectively allow Georgians to carry weapons anywhere. They also attempt to exempt certain weapons from federal gun control laws.

"We don't have a single member who thinks we need any new laws on this," said Ken Baxley, a local tea party leader in southeast Georgia's Effingham County, said. "When that tragedy happened, our anger was directed at the shooter, not at the guns."

An Associated Press-GfK poll found last month that 58 percent of Americans felt the gun laws in the United States should be stricter. Among Republicans, 53 percent want the nation's gun laws to stay as they are, while 2 in 3 women favor stricter gun laws, as do 60 percent of independents.

The fate of new gun legislation on Capitol Hill is uncertain at best. And as tea party activists clamor against any changes, the powerful gun lobby is echoing their argument.

"I think without any doubt, if you look at why our Founding Fathers put (the Second Amendment) there, they had lived under the tyranny of King George and they wanted to make sure that these free people in this new country would never be subjugated again and have to live under tyranny," Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association said in a congressional hearing last week.

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MR2
02-03-2013, 07:51
In contrast, gun advocates held a spirited rally at the Colorado Statehouse to oppose gun control measures and drew more than 100 people last month. They also held a widely-publicized training recently for teachers and school workers who want to carry guns at the workplace.

My estimate was 700-800 patriots and a mature bald eagle flying cover overhead.

Ambush Master
02-03-2013, 09:47
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/03/conservatives-make-gun-issue-new-rallying-cry/

The gun control debate in Washington took center stage after the Newtown, Conn., school massacre in December, when a gunman used a semi-automatic assault rifle to kill 26 people, 20 of them children. The Obama administration and congressional Democrats have promised to make gun restrictions a legislative priority. Obama already has proposed requiring background checks for all gun sales and reviving both an assault weapons ban and a 10-round limit on the size of ammunition magazines.

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The media is still getting it WRONG!!! There was a Rifle in the trunk of his car, but even the FBI has come out and stated that ONLY PISTOLS were found in the School!!!

SF18C
02-03-2013, 10:01
So Capt Kelly just stated that he and his wife, Gabby Gifford, have guns in their home.

But then stays those with mental issues should not have access to guns.

So it would be safe to say the Gabby has "mental issues"...I think Capt Kelly needs to turn in their guns.

Pete
02-03-2013, 10:02
The media is still getting it WRONG!!! There was a Rifle in the trunk of his car, but even the FBI has come out and stated that ONLY PISTOLS were found in the School!!!

All the media clips floating around of the "rifle in the trunk" were based on the night and day after.

A close look of the video where they pull the "rifle" out of the trunk - shows it not to be an AR but that didn't stop the media from reporting "rifle in the trunk" the next morning.

Every week somewhere a poster will post the "Look at this clip - the MSM just admitted the rifle was in the trunk" and when you click on the link you see it dated the day after the shooting.

uplink5
02-03-2013, 10:19
Conservatives Make Gun Issue a New Rallying Cry?

Gee, does anyone doubt that if these mass murders were all Republicans, the Democrats and their Press would make an issue of it, or a rallying cry?


Recent Worst Mass Murders in the US with a Firearm..

1. Fort Hood.........................a Registered Democrat / Muslim
2. Columbine........................too young to vote though both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
3. Virginia Tech.....................wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff
4. Colorado Theater.............registered Democrat and a staff worker on the Obama Campaign / occupy Wall Street participant / progressive liberal
5. Conn. School Shooter.......registered Democrat, hated Christians


There should be a rallying cry. Liberals with guns are quite dangerous!

Dusty
02-03-2013, 10:23
Conservatives Make Gun Issue a New Rallying Cry?

Gee, does anyone doubt that if these mass murders were all Republicans, the Democrats and their Press would make an issue of it, or a rallying cry?


Recent Worst Mass Murders in the US with a Firearm..

1. Fort Hood.........................a Registered Democrat / Muslim
2. Columbine........................too young to vote though both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
3. Virginia Tech.....................wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff
4. Colorado Theater.............registered Democrat and a staff worker on the Obama Campaign / occupy Wall Street participant / progressive liberal
5. Conn. School Shooter.......registered Democrat, hated Christians


There should be a rallying cry. Liberals with guns are quite dangerous!

Sign me up.

MtnGoat
02-03-2013, 11:08
Dusty I was going to post and state the same fact..


Pete I looked for one of those truck photos, I love to find one if you could. I want to post it on my FB wall..

MSM is pushing this assualt gun/rifle issue more now than in many years. This rallies need to have posters "showing" where the MSM is reporting it wrong. Big poster sign up in the air, displayed to the cameras to see and people to photo and post and blog about.

Counter IO campaign needs to be excuted for "We the people"

Divemaster
02-03-2013, 11:17
Conservatives Make Gun Issue a New Rallying Cry?


Recent Worst Mass Murders in the US with a Firearm..

1. Fort Hood.........................a Registered Democrat / Muslim
2. Columbine........................too young to vote though both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
3. Virginia Tech.....................wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff
4. Colorado Theater.............registered Democrat and a staff worker on the Obama Campaign / occupy Wall Street participant / progressive liberal
5. Conn. School Shooter.......registered Democrat, hated Christians


I've seen this posted on other boards as well. While it was evident Hassan is a Muslim (eyewitnesses reports & it was on his business cards), where can we find the unimpeachable sources for the rest of the "facts" that will withstand scrutiny?

MtnGoat
02-03-2013, 11:20
Conservatives Make Gun Issue a New Rallying Cry?

Gee, does anyone doubt that if these mass murders were all Republicans, the Democrats and their Press would make an issue of it, or a rallying cry?


Recent Worst Mass Murders in the US with a Firearm..

1. Fort Hood.........................a Registered Democrat / Muslim
2. Columbine........................too young to vote though both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
3. Virginia Tech.....................wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff
4. Colorado Theater.............registered Democrat and a staff worker on the Obama Campaign / occupy Wall Street participant / progressive liberal
5. Conn. School Shooter.......registered Democrat, hated Christians


There should be a rallying cry. Liberals with guns are quite dangerous!

Uplink.. great post.. I have to copy it. MSM have been changing the facts for their spin of shit and we the people need to tell it right.

GratefulCitizen
02-03-2013, 11:25
The media is still getting it WRONG!!! There was a Rifle in the trunk of his car, but even the FBI has come out and stated that ONLY PISTOLS were found in the School!!!

The latest official position: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php

No reason to get drawn into this.
It detracts from the larger message.

If a state official is knowingly spreading misinformation, we have bigger problems than this detail.

PSM
02-03-2013, 11:26
Pete I looked for one of those truck photos, I love to find one if you could. I want to post it on my FB wall..



Here's one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

Here's a slow motion view (at :48): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofV1jg1ME98

Looks like a shot shell is ejected from the long gun. Clearly not an AR, though.

Pat

Cordite
02-03-2013, 11:47
"The Second Amendment is there to protect us from losing the rest of them," said Adam Brisebois, 34, of Hudson, who cradled his 3-year-old daughter on his right shoulder and a rifle on the left. "If we don't fight, we'll lose our rights."


Pretty much sums up the gravity of the issue in a nutshell.

Utah Bob
02-03-2013, 12:19
The latest official position: http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php

No reason to get drawn into this.
It detracts from the larger message.

If a state official is knowingly spreading misinformation, we have bigger problems than this detail.

It would take a very large group of conspirators. He's just the spokesman. There were people from numerous agencies involved. Officers, supervisors, CSI.
It's just not realistic the think they would all keep quiet. Somebody would drop an anonymous call to the media. if ther facts were being altered. I've been in on big even investigations and somebody always leaks comething. I'm afraid it is what it is.

Stiletto11
02-03-2013, 19:37
If there was a leak to the media do you really think they would report it?

oda321
02-03-2013, 22:13
Looks like an automatic shotgun to me, the size of the round ejected and the stock has a shell holder.

medic&commo
02-04-2013, 07:41
Looks like an automatic shotgun to me, the size of the round ejected and the stock has a shell holder.
FWIW -
From the article recently linked:
It was a an Ishmash Canta-12.

Agree with GratefulCitizen, No reason to get drawn into this.
It detracts from the larger message.
m&c

Cobwebs
02-04-2013, 09:31
I had never heard this reported in the mass media. (go figure):confused: These are some excellent talking points. ThanksConservatives Make Gun Issue a New Rallying Cry?

Gee, does anyone doubt that if these mass murders were all Republicans, the Democrats and their Press would make an issue of it, or a rallying cry?


Recent Worst Mass Murders in the US with a Firearm..

1. Fort Hood.........................a Registered Democrat / Muslim
2. Columbine........................too young to vote though both families were registered Democrats and Progressive Liberals
3. Virginia Tech.....................wrote hate mail to President Bush and his staff
4. Colorado Theater.............registered Democrat and a staff worker on the Obama Campaign / occupy Wall Street participant / progressive liberal
5. Conn. School Shooter.......registered Democrat, hated Christians


There should be a rallying cry. Liberals with guns are quite dangerous!

Richard
02-20-2013, 09:29
An interesting info-graphic from the CSMonitor.

http://csmonitor.tumblr.com/image/43492856121

Richard :munchin

Pete
02-20-2013, 09:53
I had never heard this reported in the mass media. (go figure):confused: These are some excellent talking points. Thanks

Everybody forgets the FRC shooter. Wasn't a mass shooting only because an armed guard was on site. He had some pretty solid lefty ties.

Now add in the nut job cop out in CA and the most recent college kid with an interesting name.

Appears a lot of the shooters are lefties.

Badger52
02-20-2013, 09:58
An interesting info-graphic from the CSMonitor.

http://csmonitor.tumblr.com/image/43492856121

Richard :munchinThanks for that, sir. A few interesting numbers (e.g., > 2x as many people beat to death in 2011 as died by rifle (of any kind).

Nice to include AMU alum Max Michel's "reduced capacity" speed record too.

Wish people would refer to "standard" magazines and "reduced or degraded capacity" magazines vs. the current rhetoric, but recognize that wishing doesn't make things happen.
:rolleyes:

Dusty
02-20-2013, 11:47
Everybody forgets the FRC shooter. Wasn't a mass shooting only because an armed guard was on site. He had some pretty solid lefty ties.

Now add in the nut job cop out in CA and the most recent college kid with an interesting name.

Appears a lot of the shooters are lefties.

Only about 90 percent of the ones with high body counts.

Razor
02-20-2013, 11:49
Assault rifle, high-capacity magazine...these are words from the lexicon of those that want the "bad guns" to just go away. We all need to make a real effort whenever possible to correct these scare-tactic terms. I don't let someone with whom I'm speaking say "assault rifle" unless we're actually talking about a weapon capable of fully automatic fire. I don't call 20 & 30rd magazines "high cap", I call them standard mags and then ask someone using the term "high cap" to explain what capacity the most commonly sold AR-15 magazines have. Change the language one person at a time.

Badger52
02-20-2013, 12:10
I don't call 20 & 30rd magazines "high cap", I call them standard mags and then ask someone using the term "high cap" to explain what capacity the most commonly sold AR-15 magazines have. Change the language one person at a time.X-ring.