Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned

[PSM]

I heard within the last 3 months that if you have in excess of "3" registered firearms you are already on an FIB list. The person that said that would be in a position to know. I would assume the FIB could grab that information during the background check process and/or credit card transactions.

Where is registration required? When I left CA they didn't even have "registration" yet. I haven't seen that they do now, either.

[Paslode]

Where is registration required? When I left CA they didn't even have "registration" yet. I haven't seen that they do now, either.

A register is used to record a transaction. Invoice Registers, Form 4473, Driver License, Social Security numbers are all forms of registering a identifier to a individual.

If a person is required to fill out a form to purchase a firearm and the serial number is input on the form that firearm is registered to the purchaser. Whether that serial number correlates to a person being in a vast database is up for debate.

When the gun shop calls the FBI for a background check on the purchaser its really unknown whether the FBI tracks of how many times a person has had a background check run for the purchase of a firearm.

If a person purchases over a certain amount of firearms within a certain time period they are flagged.

It's not unfathomable that purchases at gun shops via Visa, MC, AMEX, etc and even personal check could be reported. That's not much different than banks flagging transactions over $10,000 or getting your ass in a sling because you deposit just less than $10,000 to avoid the paper work.


Exclusive: Feds issue 4,000 orders to seize guns from people who failed background checks: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/04/exclusive-feds-issue-4-000-orders-seize-guns-people-who-failed-background-checks/901017001/

The only way the Feds can issue 4,000 confiscation orders is if they know the individuals on the orders have guns. How would they know if a person who failed a background check owns firearms?

[PSM]

A register is used to record a transaction. Invoice Registers, Form 4473, Driver License, Social Security numbers are all forms of registering a identifier to a individual.

If a person is required to fill out a form to purchase a firearm and the serial number is input on the form that firearm is registered to the purchaser. Whether that serial number correlates to a person being in a vast database is up for debate.

When the gun shop calls the FBI for a background check on the purchaser its really unknown whether the FBI tracks of how many times a person has had a background check run for the purchase of a firearm.

If a person purchases over a certain amount of firearms within a certain time period they are flagged.

It's not unfathomable that purchases at gun shops via Visa, MC, AMEX, etc and even personal check could be reported. That's not much different than banks flagging transactions over $10,000 or getting your ass in a sling because you deposit just less than $10,000 to avoid the paper work.


Exclusive: Feds issue 4,000 orders to seize guns from people who failed background checks: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/04/exclusive-feds-issue-4-000-orders-seize-guns-people-who-failed-background-checks/901017001/

The only way the Feds can issue 4,000 confiscation orders is if they know the individuals on the orders have guns. How would they know if a person who failed a background check owns firearms?

I own pre-NICS guns, I have a CCW in AZ which I used my DD214 to get and which means there is also no NICS check if I buy another gun, the FFL holds the 4473s, they are not sent to the Feds, and I paid for a gun delivered to my son's FFL. What do they really know about what or how many guns I own?

[Razor]

...the FFL holds the 4473s, they are not sent to the Feds...

Until the FFL goes out of business (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/discontinue-being-federal-firearms-licensee-ffl), then the Feds get all the records for 'storage' at the National Tracing Center (https://www.atf.gov/file/58616/download).

[PSM]

Until the FFL goes out of business (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/discontinue-being-federal-firearms-licensee-ffl), then the Feds get all the records for 'storage' at the National Tracing Center (https://www.atf.gov/file/58616/download).

Mine died but I only got one lower through him. The best thing was that he only charged $10 for everything.

[Paslode]

I own pre-NICS guns, I have a CCW in AZ which I used my DD214 to get and which means there is also no NICS check if I buy another gun, the FFL holds the 4473s, they are not sent to the Feds, and I paid for a gun delivered to my son's FFL. What do they really know about what or how many guns I own?

Time will tell.

[Badger52]

This is simply very good news. I have a Schadenfreude Pie I'd like to throw at a certain General who fancies himself a woke Marshal Zhukov but will refrain.

Two provisions staunchly opposed by a group of House Republicans have been scrapped from the 2022 National Defense Authorization Act during negotiations on the bill between the House and Senate, Breitbart News has exclusively learned.

Negotiators scrapped a provision that would have established “Office of Countering Extremism” within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness, a source familiar with the negotiations told Breitbart News on Monday afternoon.

The office would have furthered the Biden Pentagon’s goal to “root out” extremists from the military that conservatives feared was aimed at targeting conservative members of the military.


The other provision would have allowed military courts to issue protective orders that could be used to confiscate firearms from active duty service members without due process.

Full story at the jump here (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/12/06/exclusive-office-of-countering-extremism-and-red-flag-provisions-scrapped-from-defense-bill/).

[pcfixer]

A register is used to record a transaction. Invoice Registers, Form 4473, Driver License, Social Security numbers are all forms of registering a identifier to a individual.


Exclusive: Feds issue 4,000 orders to seize guns from people who failed background checks: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/04/exclusive-feds-issue-4-000-orders-seize-guns-people-who-failed-background-checks/901017001/

The only way the Feds can issue 4,000 confiscation orders is if they know the individuals on the orders have guns. How would they know if a person who failed a background check owns firearms?

And.... this story is from December 2017-- 4 years ago.. :munchin

[pcfixer]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/12/21/scotus-asked-to-accept-new-jersey-red-flag-gun-case-n53737

The Supreme Court is going to get a chance to weigh in on “red flag” firearm seizure laws thanks to a case out of New Jersey that left a man permanently prohibited from possessing a gun after what was supposed to be a temporary seizing of his firearms for “safekeeping.”

The case, known as P.Z. v. New Jersey, began several years ago when the plaintiff was the subject of a temporary restraining order; an order that was ultimately dismissed. Still, even though the restraining order was no longer in effect, the state refused to return the firearms to their rightful owner. And because the guns weren’t returned to him, “New Jersey “forever bars him from again possessing firearms.”..

[Badger52]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/12/21/scotus-asked-to-accept-new-jersey-red-flag-gun-case-n53737

..It is my opinion that it should be law that a matter that has been concluded in favor of the accused, where it involved seizure of property belonging to the accused, the return of that property should be ordered forthwith as part of the basic disposition of the case. It is far too common that a person found to have acted in self-defense or undergoing some other weapon-related proceeding then still has to file a separate petition for return of their firearm(s). It should be law of the land and all these little Vichy protectorates like New Jersey should be cuffed upside the head. [/rant]

SCOTUS is a crapshoot at this moment. They are already 2/3 surrendered to the Dark Side and have not been concerned with Rule of Law since 11 Dec 2020.
I wish him luck.

[PSM]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/12/21/scotus-asked-to-accept-new-jersey-red-flag-gun-case-n53737

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Remember the North Hollywood Shootout in 1997? B&B Guns on Oxnard Blvd., who loaned the ARs to LAPD SWAT, never got them back. The owners claimed that the lawsuits between them and the City of L.A. led to their going out of business.

[sfshooter]

Lets not forget that the war is not over in the 2A realm as that is the only way they can obtain true power. In a not surprising move we've added more shit to the citizens who follow the law:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/01/biden-admin-announces-new-gun-control-rule-here-it-is/

"“Today’s announcements build on the department’s efforts to reduce the risk of firearms falling into the wrong hands,” Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said in a statement."

I think he meant to say it adds expense to the firearms for going into the right hands. If we nickel and dime the gun sellers to death, then there won't be anymore guns sold.

[cbtengr]

Lets not forget that the war is not over in the 2A realm as that is the only way they can obtain true power. In a not surprising move we've added more shit to the citizens who follow the law:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/01/biden-admin-announces-new-gun-control-rule-here-it-is/

"“Today’s announcements build on the department’s efforts to reduce the risk of firearms falling into the wrong hands,” Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said in a statement."

I think he meant to say it adds expense to the firearms for going into the right hands. If we nickel and dime the gun sellers to death, then there won't be anymore guns sold.

As I read it the seller must have the devices available for sale, nothing about the purchaser having to buy the device. So what is the point? Just more BS from the DOJ.

[Badger52]

Here's the actual rule.
(https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/01/04/2021-28398/secure-gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm)

Moreover, the regulation requires that the secure gun storage or safety devices be compatible with the firearms offered for sale by the licensee.
"Here's a safe that will house anything we sell, up to & including that Barrett over there you keep drooling on."

The certification requirement does not apply (emphasis mine) where a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable because of theft, casualty loss, consumer sales, backorders from a manufacturer, or any other similar reason beyond the control of the licensee.
"We can order you one and here is the ATF's pamphlet with their comments about secure storage."

IMO, this is more reactive pandering but also serves as another lever to squeeze a particular FFL. And, as usual, there is plenty of leeway for them to always adjourn for coffee and come back with another interpretation.

[Combat Diver]

If the building is already secure ie walls, doors, locks and the thief breaks in then its only a matter of time till they defeat the next level.

CD

[sfshooter]

I guess I read it differently. I presumed that the FFL would now have to give (provide) each buyer with a lock box/safe, which in turn would add another expense to the FFL holder.
I didn't look at it in the capitalist viewpoint :D.
But then if the buyer has to buy said lock box then there is more expense for the buyer. All in all just more b.s. to jack with honest people for exercising their constitutional rights.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.

I just bought a new shotgun from Cabela’s and came with a wonky little red metal/plastic trigger lock with two holes and a metal two pronged disk to remove it when I got home. Also included was a small pamphlet to address locking up your firearm and keeping it safe from children.

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

[Sohei]

I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.

I just bought a new shotgun from Cabela’s and came with a wonky little red metal/plastic trigger lock with two holes and a metal two pronged disk to remove it when I got home. Also included was a small pamphlet to address locking up your firearm and keeping it safe from children.

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

Brother, the government *always* knows better than you pesky ignorant parents about raising your kids and teaching them about gun safety….

[doctom54]

I haven’t bought a new gun in the last twenty years that didn’t come with cable lock from the manufacturer thrown in the box.
........

Best way I know to keep children safe from guns is to give them one when they are young and teach them firearm safety.

Don’t know why the DOJ needs to be involved but I’m sure the law making side of the CDC isn’t far behind.

I agree. It is MY responsibility to train all the grandchildren in firearms safety.

CDC was a great organization until about 20 years ago. They need to be dissolved or otherwise done away with now.

[Badger52]

I agree. It is MY responsibility to train all the grandchildren in firearms safety.

CDC was a great organization until about 20 years ago. They need to be dissolved or otherwise done away with now.I recall the Clintonistas had commissioned a study for the CDC to "prove" that violent crime went down during the 10 years of the AWB. Except it didn't - oops. IIRC it took a FOIA request to get the inconveniently embarrasing study out into the public. Yessir, compromised for quite awhile.

[pcfixer]

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2021/12/21/scotus-asked-to-accept-new-jersey-red-flag-gun-case-n53737

..

Jan 10 2022 Petition DENIED.

[Badger52]

Jan 10 2022 Petition DENIED.Is that the function of a single reviewing justice who "covers" that jurisdiction? Do they indicate a rationale when they do that?

[pcfixer]

Is that the function of a single reviewing justice who "covers" that jurisdiction? Do they indicate a rationale when they do that?

No to both questions!



Don't think, and attorney's believe this case still in play. Sorta, stand by for news.
So most likely reasoning.

[Last hard class]

Do you want to go to San Jose?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-jose-gun-law-insurance-annual-fee/




LHC

[tonyz]

Do you want to go to San Jose?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-jose-gun-law-insurance-annual-fee/




LHC

Great...nothing like a roadmap of who purchases a firearm, who owns a firearm, what type of firearm, where that firearm is located...what could go wrong...and of course the local powers-that-be expect the crim-nals will follow these requirements too...not to mention holy de facto registration Batman.

[cbtengr]

Do you want to go to San Jose?


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/san-jose-gun-law-insurance-annual-fee/


LHC

"This won't stop mass shootings and keep bad people from committing violent crime," the mayor said, but added most gun deaths nationally are from suicide, accidental shootings or other causes and even many homicides stem from domestic violence."

So what is the point of all this? Good for the insurance industry and whoever gets that $25.00 fee.

[sfshooter]

It's the liberal mindset. They can say they have done something for "gun violence" even though it doesn't do a damn thing for it. But they sure feel better for having "done something". It's how I quit smoking. Tax it higher and higher and hopefully people will just quit buying guns.

[GratefulCitizen]

Politics is downstream of culture.
Much of culture is now spread through the internet.

Many who lean left are starting to understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.
Those who have influence in the culture spread this new found understanding.

A couple of left-leaning influencers that come to mind are Tim Pool and JP Sears.
JP just dropped a video concerning his “awakening”.

https://youtu.be/7fKO1-hE2Wg

[Box]

Politics is downstream of culture.
Much of culture is now spread through the internet.

Many who lean left are starting to understand the importance of the 2nd Amendment.
Those who have influence in the culture spread this new found understanding.

A couple of left-leaning influencers that come to mind are Tim Pool and JP Sears.
JP just dropped a video concerning his “awakening”.

https://youtu.be/7fKO1-hE2Wg

Wow.
I try not to be serious very often but that feels like a pretty transformative video from a guy that has demonstrated a decade's worth or sarcastic leftist mastery at mocking our constitutional freedoms. Imagine - the constitution actually serves BOTH ideological sides of the citizenry.

"I have a family now so now I very much understand that being able to protect your family is part of what makes you a true man, father, husband..."

It's such a breath of fresh air when you see the look in someone's eyes once they start to "get it" - a level of humility that so many of us never achieve. I also like his line:

"well JP, I'm not set up to protect MY family, so, what are you saying?
...well, I'm saying, you're not a real man"


Every now and then, you see a leftist experience an awakening and it gives you hope.
Not a lot of hope.
Just a little.
A little hope goes a long way.

[Costa]

This is one of those quasi-firearm topics. There's debate as to whether or not silencers/suppressors are firearms, however being as they are regulated as firearms and this has to do with the legalese of them, I thought this appropriate to post here.

For those not aware of the general background: There are commercially available products that are marketed as storage devices or cleaning aids AKA solvent traps, that can attach to the muzzle of a firearm. These devices would function as a suppressor, however there are no holes in them for the bullet to pass through. If one were to make one of these devices into a suppressor, they would have to follow the appropriate laws and basically receive permission from the BATFE to drill out the device and convert to a suppressor. Historically this was done via Form 1. There are other fine print steps to follow, but that is the gest of the background. A quick web search of Form 1 suppressors will yield a lot more information.

Anecdotally, there is some good research being done among Form 1'ers to advance design commercially and some companies are starting to move from solvent trap manufacturer to SOT/suppressor manufacture with fairly decent results being objectively tested through the Pew Science organization. The average price point of suppressors has also started to come down as a result of the competitive landscape.

The BATFE recently (like 3 days ago recently) began mass denying virtually all Form 1 applications with the explanation that basically 1) because their definition of a silencer includes all the parts needed to make a silencer, and 2) the end user intended to use them as components in the construction of such, that these parts were illegally transferred to the end user and they should fill out a form 4 for these. There was little guidance given, but speculation is that the ATF is trying to kill the Form 1 DIY industry through fear and creating additional cost/red-tape barriers. Those who were not flat out denied seem to be in the middle of an ATF fishing expedition with requests for further information.

A lot see this as the beginning of further regulation to go after "Ghost Guns" and 80% lowers eventually, but starting with NFA items such as suppressors and SBRs (some suggest that pistol braces will be next).

There are tons of logic holes within the ATF's argument and it will no doubt end up in court eventually, however this seems to be more of the same of governance by unelected agency officials through executive orders until they are challenged.

This is the call to action to inform your local elected officials to exert pressure on the ATF if you feel so compelled.

[Badger52]

There are tons of logic holes within the ATF...They have used the thought crime of "constructive intent" for many years to chill & intimidate.

[pcfixer]

Now that ALL Md General Assy Bills will cease as of 12 midnight 11 April.

These are 2 very egregious bill that will be law in Md 1 June 2022.

https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/legislation-tracker/299-veto-sb387-hb425-hb1021

Neither of these Bills that become law will be destined to reduce firearm violence
in Baltimore Md or anywhere else.

Letter Sent from MSI.

[Badger52]

David Codrea has been fighting the good fight in this arena for a very long time. Awhile back he'd made the decision finally to ditch his bloghost after they, without notice or justification, simply "disappeared" one of his more tame pieces.

For those who may look for his product from time to time, here's his latest home:

https://waronguns.com/

As mentioned in another post there, he's still learning some of the foibles of a new system so focus on the content, which is typically top-notch.

[GratefulCitizen]

New stuff in the federal register.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/04/26/2022-08026/definition-of-frame-or-receiver-and-identification-of-firearms

Go down to the third paragraph of the executive summary, and read the first sentence.

“In the past few years, some courts have treated the regulatory definition of “firearm frame or receiver” as inflexible when applied to the lower portion of the AR-15-type rifle, one of the most popular firearms in the United States.”

Ironically, this has pro-gun implications when considering the “arms in common use” test from Heller v. D.C.
Time to strike down some state assault weapon bans.

[bubba]

All gun laws are repulsive to the USC.

“Shall Not be Infringed” is a pretty straight forward phrase that has been completely ignored. When the tyrant ignores the laws, resistance is not only justified, but required.

[Badger52]

All gun laws are repulsive to the USC.

“Shall Not be Infringed” is a pretty straight forward phrase that has been completely ignored. When the tyrant ignores the laws, resistance is not only justified, but required.This.

[sfshooter]

Came across this today:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/05/dems-new-gun-control-bill-federal-license-needed-to-buy-one-gun-confiscation-5-year-limit-on-license/


With the republicans outnumbered in house and senate I suppose this will pass (lack of capitalizing those nouns is intentional). Obviously quite unconstitutional but definitely not beyond the realm of reality of becoming a law....especially in the circus we live in now.

I think we inch closer and closer to conflict as each day passes.

[Sohei]

Booker is yet another clown that can't understand the plainly written language of the 2nd Amendment. It's amazing how many true enemies of our nation are called US Senators and Representatives. They know the only thing keeping them from achieving their ultimate goal to socialize us is the fact that we still have weapons in the hands of the citizenry and they are going to do their very best to keep attacking that right until they can achieve their goals.

[Badger52]

I think we inch closer and closer to conflict as each day passes.There is only one reason for a government to attempt all of this. It is because they wish to do something for which they would otherwise be shot by their citizenry. The worse they are, the more particularly squeamish they are about their own physical well-being.

I recall actor and former Senator Fred Thompson's (RIP) comments to the Elite Elites of the NRA at a dinner at which all the (R) candidates were to get up to a podium and song & dance or fellate their way into the grifting arms of an NRA endorsement. (It was one of those years Mittens was running.) After several had talked with the usual (tall) boyhood tales of plinking with .22's and shooting pigeons behind the barn, trying to say the "right" things, Thompson got up and simply said this to all the suits:

"I own a lot of guns. I'm not going to tell ya what kind, how many, or where they're at; 'cause it's none of y'alls bidness."

He was literally the only person in the room who "got it."

[Swoop]

"I own a lot of guns. I'm not going to tell ya what kind, how many, or where they're at; 'cause it's none of y'alls bidness."

He was literally the only person in the room who "got it."


EXACTLY! :lifter

[sfshooter]

Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-gun-laws-judiciary-democrats/2022/05/31/id/1072275/

[Box]

Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-gun-laws-judiciary-democrats/2022/05/31/id/1072275/

Republicans have never been friends of the gun owner - they are politicians not patriots. There are still permanent Washington Republicans from the 1990's era gun ban collecting a pay check while spending decades running on the Pro-2A campaign platforms.

Never kid yourself - politicians, military leaders, and cops are NOT there to protect your gun rights. They are there to protect power.

[rsdengler]

Booker is yet another clown that can't understand the plainly written language of the 2nd Amendment. It's amazing how many true enemies of our nation are called US Senators and Representatives. They know the only thing keeping them from achieving their ultimate goal to socialize us is the fact that we still have weapons in the hands of the citizenry and they are going to do their very best to keep attacking that right until they can achieve their goals.


Our politician's are the enemy, they now have way too much power and they certainly are ignorant of the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment.

[sg1987]

Get ready folks. Me thinks they will get some of these passed with their partisan brethren.....you know, to show people that they really care.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/house-gun-laws-judiciary-democrats/2022/05/31/id/1072275/

So I'm wondering who this might be...

a new "red flag" law that would be designed to keep Americans who might be deemed potentially violent from legally purchasing a firearm.

Would this be members of the Tea Party, Three percenters, Veterans, Trump voters, etc. ???? Who gets to define this?

[Badger52]

So I'm wondering who this might be...



Would this be members of the Tea Party, Three percenters, Veterans, Trump voters, etc. ???? Who gets to define this?Don't forget that long list of people who attend school board meetings to protest their kids getting "identified" as one of the 967 pseudo-flavors as well as being a systematic oppressor to boot. Cat ladies just love reportin' folks that skeer' em.

[GratefulCitizen]

The decision came down today:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf

From page 15 of the decision:

“In sum, the Courts of Appeals’ second step is inconsistent with Heller’s historical approach and its rejection of means-end scrutiny. We reiterate that the standard for applying the Second Amendment is as follows: When the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only then may a court conclude that the individual’s conduct falls outside the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”

[Badger52]

'...the Second Amendment’s “unqualified command.” Konigsberg, 366 U. S., at 50, n. 10.”

Extremely artful. All those folks who keep threatening to leave America, please: Stop teasing us. NY Gov Hochul is really steamed. In a Republic this is a good thing.

GC's link is a worthy read. Some dominos in other states are getting ready to fall.

[sg1987]

In a Republic this is a good thing.



Yes sir. A victory for the republic.

[GratefulCitizen]

Look what happened to Brazil when gun laws were loosened.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-legal-gun-control-regulation-reduce-violent-crime-shooting-murder-brazil-semi-automatic-permit-supremep-court-new-york-decision-11656268995

[Airbornelawyer]

One of the first state responses I've seen, other than donkeys braying to TV cameras.

https://www.anjrpc.org/page/NJDropsJustifiableNeed

At the close of business today, and in light of the Bruen decision, the New Jersey Attorney General issued a directive to law enforcement agencies and prosecutors mandating that NJ carry permit applications now be processed WITHOUT an applicant having to prove "justifiable need."

[GratefulCitizen]

CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/063022zor_5he6.pdf

[Badger52]

CVRs for NJ, HI, CA, and MD as a consequence of NYSRPA v Bruen.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/063022zor_5he6.pdfYup. The gift that keeps on giving. "Now lower courts, go unscrew yourselves."
:lifter

[bubba]

Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..

[Box]

Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..


I'm not asking for much - just that my government work as hard to protect MY freedoms as they are for people in Ukraine.

[Badger52]

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..Originally that $$ amount was viewed as being a deal breaker for many. The fee hasn't changed and here we are in 2022. I'd like to know what other type of "background check" is being done that's several orders of magnitude more thorough than the phone call into NICS to buy a firearm - yet takes months in some cases depending on whether you want to SBR your pistol, or it's a can that's in jail for a year.

IMO, the whole thing needs to go away.
[/harrumph]
:)

[Box]

it doesn't take a lot of research to find that the original cost of 'the stamp' was arbitrary - the government knew then (as they know now) that the NFA was not going to curb crime - the stamp was set at that price because it absolutely priced legal ownership well beyond the grasp of the rank and file citizen...

Right from the ATF Website: (https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act#:~:text=The%20NFA%20was%20originally%20enacted ,and%20dealing%20in%20NFA%20firearms.)
While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection. As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms. Congress found these firearms to pose a significant crime problem because of their frequent use in crime, particularly the gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. The $200 making and transfer taxes on most NFA firearms were considered quite severe and adequate to carry out Congress’ purpose to discourage or eliminate transactions in these firearms. The $200 tax has not changed since 1934.

They knew citizens couldn't afford it and criminals wouldn't pursue it because IT SERVES AS A REGISTRATION DATA BASE and criminals don't register their weapons. Gun control isn't about guns - its about control.
...of course I ask that you forget the fact that it was crime on crime violence co-mingled with elements of government corruption while THE CITIZENS got left holding the bag with an infringement on their rights and a directive to pay "taxes" secondary to shitty governance and even shittier police work


SAME AS IT EVER WAS

[GratefulCitizen]

Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..

Now that the 2nd Amendment has been put on par with the other rights listed in the Bill of Rights, it’s time to apply Murdock v. Pennsylvania.

The government has already conceded that machine guns are legal, they’re just taxable.
Time to eliminate that taxing burden and then the associated bureaucratic nonsense won’t have a legal anchor.

[Combat Diver]

Lets go back to 1939 US vs. Miller. Tax on a sawed off shotgun was upheld to the NFA because it wasn't a militia weapon at the time. WWI used 20" shotguns. The opinion stated militia weapons were constitutional. Today select fire short barreled rifles with suppressors are the infantryman's weapon (M4/M5). Short barreled shotguns of 10" and 14" are issued to US military in the 870 MCS and M26 (under barreled)

Go back to the Second Militia Act of 1792. 18-45 yo were required to bring their own arms (ie militia weapons of the time) with ammo, bayonet, hatchet and kit. Read todays 10US Code 246 Militia: Organized and Unorganized. The Unorganized are NOT supplied arms and therefore implied need to supply their own. The NFA is in violation of Text, History and Tradition and there for unconstitutional. As there were NO bans on militia weapons till that time. Sullivan Act was 1902 and just found unconstitutional.


CD

[Razor]

If nothing else, I'm enjoying a great deal of schadenfreude as millions of American lib abortion supporters are suddenly learning what being a gun owner in the US is like.

[Badger52]

Now, on to repealing the ban on new manufacture of MG’s. The “history” of the 2a tells us that a group of ordinary citizens stockpiled “military arms” and picked a fight with a tyrannical super-power on a bridge in Massachusetts back in April, 1775. Since EVERY single Soldier, Sailor, Marine, and Airman is trained on and generally issued a Machine-Gun, the ordinary citizen should have access to the same.

While I don’t like or personally agree with the $200 Stamp, the complete ban on MG’s should now be viewed (at least by the courts) as un-Constitutional…..Well... let's see what happens. ("Autokeycard" case)

A fresh U.S. Supreme Court gun-rights ruling should make a 78-year-old law regulating machine guns unconstitutional and invalidate a YouTube celebrity’s gun-crime indictment with an Orange Park man, his lawyers are arguing.

Lawyers for Matthew Hoover, a Wisconsin gun dealer whose YouTube channel has 148,000 subscribers, have asked U.S. District Judge Marcia Morales Howard to dismiss his January indictment with Clay County resident Kristopher Ervin, who was charged last year with selling illegal machine-gun conversion equipment online.

Hoover’s lawyers asked Howard last week to rule that the National Firearms Act, a 1934 law that restricted machine gun ownership by creating a tax and license requirement on them, conflicts with the U Constitution's Second Amendment guarantee of a right to bear arms.

They argued the law violates a standard the Supreme Court used last month to decide a New York law on gun ownership was unconstitutional, so the federal law must be unconstitutional too.

LINK to Full Story
(https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/courts/2022/07/07/citing-supreme-court-lawyers-try-get-clay-county-gun-case-dismissed/7819544001/)

[JJ_BPK]

I'm very interested in how the courts, states, & congress will accept SCOTUS's ruling on "bureaucratic over-reach" as it pertains to ATF's Monstrosity??

Congress has shirked its duties for too long. Letting, No Encouraging sub-level bureaucrat minions rule the nation with little fear of the results. :mad::mad:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf




July 04, 2022
EDITORIAL: Supreme Court got it right on EPA overreach

We applaud the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling that curbs the Environmental Protection Agency’s ability to put in place regulations on power plants over and above what Congress enacts as law.

For far too long, some regulatory agencies have gone to extremes to exert their authority, and the high court’s ruling is a necessary step to rein in unelected government officials who never have to answer to the public for their decisions.

This is not to say that some of the EPA guidelines are right or wrong. But if the agency believes more regulations and restrictions are needed, it can make the case with Congress, which can then make the decision — and also answer to those who elect lawmakers.

“This ruling in favor of West Virginia will stop unelected bureaucrats in Washington, D.C., from being able to unilaterally decarbonize our economy just because they feel like it,” Gov. Jim Justice said. “Instead, members of Congress who have been duly elected to represent the will of the people across all of America will be allowed to have a rightful say when it comes to balancing our desire for a clean environment with our need for energy and the security it provides us.”


https://www.capito.senate.gov/news/in-the-news/editorial-supreme-court-got-it-right-on-epa-overreach

[GratefulCitizen]

Well... let's see what happens. ("Autokeycard" case)



LINK to Full Story
(https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/courts/2022/07/07/citing-supreme-court-lawyers-try-get-clay-county-gun-case-dismissed/7819544001/)

Here’s the supplement to the motion to dismiss:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22080197/machine-gun-usa-v-matthew-hoover-supplement-to-motion-to-dismiss070122.pdf

[bubba]

This line from the filing (I’m only about half way through reading it) really stands out…..

“the Government must prove the particular regime in question is consistent with the history and tradition of the United States. Id at *15. Furthermore, the question of whether a weapon is “in common use at the time,” necessarily pins the analysis to the time before the prohibition. To consider otherwise would incentivize the Government to legislate wantonly and aggressively, seizing arms, then later evade constitutional scrutiny by suggesting that the arms cannot be in common use, because the Government prohibited them. Such circular logic would be inconsistent with any fundamental rights jurisprudence”

[Badger52]

Here’s the supplement to the motion to dismiss:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22080197/machine-gun-usa-v-matthew-hoover-supplement-to-motion-to-dismiss070122.pdfThanks for that pdf link.

bubba, you and I can read stuff like that and say, "well... yeah, of course."
But this is going to be a slog, although going after the NFA is the right thing. Told a friend after that raucous week of decisions that the NY decision as well as the downstream effects of the EPA decision were going to be epic. Wasn't sure it would be this soon.

[GratefulCitizen]

If it gets dismissed and the NFA is left alone, the ATF is unlikely to appeal.
If the NFA is ruled unconstitutional, that will almost certainly go to the 11th Circuit.

The balance of judges there looks favorable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_Appeals_for_the_Eleventh_Ci rcuit

[Surf n Turf]

Here’s the supplement to the motion to dismiss:

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/22080197/machine-gun-usa-v-matthew-hoover-supplement-to-motion-to-dismiss070122.pdf

GS,

Thank you for the supplement to dismiss and to declare unconstitutional the 1934 NFA. Good reading, as it is short and concise.

I now have high hopes that the “act” will soon be history, and have a clear vision of the Anti-2nd crowd’s heads exploding.:D

SnT

[Paslode]

GS,

Thank you for the supplement to dismiss and to declare unconstitutional the 1934 NFA. Good reading, as it is short and concise.

I now have high hopes that the “act” will soon be history, and have a clear vision of the Anti-2nd crowd’s heads exploding.:D

SnT

I'm all for being able to walk in and buy a can or a lower with the extra hole without the hassle and $200. Or throw an 11" upper on a lower with a stock without worry. As for heads exploding, unfortunately heads exploding is like horse play in that sooner or later it will lead to a blood letting of sorts.

[GratefulCitizen]

The big weakness in the NFA is Murdock v. Pennsylvania.

The syllabus:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/319/105/

[Badger52]

The big weakness in the NFA is Murdock v. Pennsylvania.

The syllabus:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/319/105/Agreed. Had that puppy in my backpocket for sometime. The pushback "but..." was before a SCOTUS decision has affirmed that the 2nd is not a second-class amendment.

[Badger52]

Many on the other side of this issue, especially nowadays, will call judges activist when an opinion doesn't come out how they like. But they want that activism when they screech "But we can't know what the Founders were thinking when they wrote that amendment!" Except that, yes Virginia, we can.

Grabbed from a reddit post and hosted at The Captain's Journal (https://www.captainsjournal.com/2022/07/12/more-quotes-from-the-founders-on-firearms/), here are some extracts from the contemporary writings of those men regarding their views - at the time & going forward - on the need of the citizen to be armed:

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“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

“The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” – Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788

“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” – Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789

“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785.

“The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence … I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.” – Thomas Jefferson, letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

“To disarm the people…is the most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787.

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker, Blackstone’s Commentaries on the Laws of England, 1803.

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:cool:

[GratefulCitizen]

Missouri AG tells the FBI to pound sand.

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/2022-7-13-ltr-fbi.pdf?sfvrsn=5fbbdf7_2

[bubba]

Missouri AG tells the FBI to pound sand.

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/2022-7-13-ltr-fbi.pdf?sfvrsn=5fbbdf7_2

Four Words: “Shall NOT be INFRINGED!”

FUCK-Yeah!

[JJ_BPK]

Missouri AG tells the FBI to pound sand.
:lifter


Has this hit the street, does FOXNEWS know??

[GratefulCitizen]

There have been various news reports coming out about this incident, but this one has a little more detail.

https://youtu.be/NQXOHsHkJV4

<edit>

I realize this is more a case of current news, but it has significant Second Amendment implications.

Here is the police press conference:
https://youtu.be/REhMnc4CHbs

[Paslode]

AG Schmitt has performed his job well for the state of Missouri, he has now set his sights on Roy Blunts US Senate seat. AG Schmitt is one in a field of twelve candidates the includes Eric Greitens and Marc McCloskey that is vying for Blunt's Senate seat.

https://themissouritimes.com/missouri-senate-race-who-is-running-for-roy-blunts-seat/

[Badger52]

AG Schmitt has performed his job well for the state of Missouri, he has now set his sights on Roy Blunts US Senate seat. AG Schmitt is one in a field of twelve candidates the includes Eric Greitens and Marc McCloskey that is vying for Blunt's Senate seat.

https://themissouritimes.com/missouri-senate-race-who-is-running-for-roy-blunts-seat/I hope that he can stay where he is. This often happens unfortunately, and it seems he can actually serve the people of MO better as their AG than as just another DC writer of "strongly worded letters."

That letter was epic and should get "Distribution A" as we used to say.

[GratefulCitizen]

Miller v. Bonta was decided over a year ago and the California assault weapons ban was struck down.
California appealed and managed to get a stay on the lower court’s ruling.

After the recent SCOTUS ruling, there was a motion to lift the stay.
California wants the stay to be kept in place, the ruling vacated, and have the case remanded back to the district court.

This is just an attempt to stall.
The district court ruled using the correct test.

Here is the response to California’s motion:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1658190625/Miller_v_Bonta_Reply_in_Support_of_Motion_to_Lift_ Stay.pdf

[Badger52]

Here is the response to California’s motion:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1658190625/Miller_v_Bonta_Reply_in_Support_of_Motion_to_Lift_ Stay.pdfNice, thanks.

[pcfixer]

I'm very interested in how the courts, states, & congress will accept SCOTUS's ruling on "bureaucratic over-reach" as it pertains to ATF's Monstrosity??

Congress has shirked its duties for too long. Letting, No Encouraging sub-level bureaucrat minions rule the nation with little fear of the results. :mad::mad:

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf

:) Like you post JJ. I think Bruen and WV vs EPA decision 20-1530 has not reached full potential in Legal review. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-1530_n758.pdf
ATF’s new rulemaking 2021r-05f must be sued for totally invalid.
This... Page 3 of text.....

"EPA explained that the Clean Power Plan, rather than setting the standard “based on the application of equipment and practices at the level of an individual facility,” had instead based it on “a shift in the energy generation mix at the grid
level,” id., at 32523. The Agency determined that the interpretive
question raised by the Clean Power Plan fell under the major questions
doctrine. Under that doctrine, it determined, a clear statement is necessary for a court to conclude that Congress intended to delegate authority “of this breadth to regulate a fundamental sector of the economy.” Id., at 32529. ""It found none"". The Agency replaced the Clean Power Plan by promulgating a different Section 111(d) regulation, known as the Affordable Clean Energy (ACE) rule. Id., at 32532. In
that rule, EPA determined that the BSER would be akin to building
block one of the Clean Power Plan: a combination of equipment upgrades and operating practices that would improve facilities’ heat rates. Id., at 32522, 32537."

Sure it invalidates the EPA. This same standard of review "Major Questions doctrine" can be said and surely will for the ATF.
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/definition-frame-or-receiver/summary

Surely this all falls under Supreme courts definition of "Text, History, Tradition"!

[Badger52]

Sure it invalidates the EPA. This same standard of review "Major Questions doctrine" can be said and surely will for the ATF.It's why I smiled bigly when that EPA decision came down.

[GratefulCitizen]

Dominoes are starting to fall from the Bruen decision.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cod.216528/gov.uscourts.cod.216528.18.0.pdf

From the TRO:

“The Court is sympathetic to the Town’s stated reasoning.
However, the Court is unaware of historical precedent that would permit a governmental entity to entirely ban a type of weapon that is commonly used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, whether in an individual’s home or in public.”

[Badger52]

Dominoes are starting to fall from the Bruen decision.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cod.216528/gov.uscourts.cod.216528.18.0.pdf

From the TRO:

“The Court is sympathetic to the Town’s stated reasoning.
However, the Court is unaware of historical precedent that would permit a governmental entity to entirely ban a type of weapon that is commonly used by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, whether in an individual’s home or in public.”Excellent. I especially enjoy the Judge's granting of the TRO based on their high likelihood of success at trial. It's a criteria normally seen and, in a lot of polite words, he shredded the city's position as "have some cheese with your whine."

[pcfixer]

Excellent. I especially enjoy the Judge's granting of the TRO based on their high likelihood of success at trial. It's a criteria normally seen and, in a lot of polite words, he shreded the city's position as "have some cheese with your whine."

:thumbsup and I ROFLOL

[GratefulCitizen]

GOA and 17 states take on ATF.

https://www.scag.gov/media/r3dhdlmk/complaint-with-states-7-27-to-file.pdf


It’s important to note that the 17 states didn’t merely file amicus briefs.
The 17 states are actually plaintiffs.

[GratefulCitizen]

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners challenges Colorado magazine ban in federal court.

https://rmgo.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/swmbComplaint.pdf

[Badger52]

GOA and 17 states take on ATF.

https://www.scag.gov/media/r3dhdlmk/complaint-with-states-7-27-to-file.pdf


It’s important to note that the 17 states didn’t merely file amicus briefs.
The 17 states are actually plaintiffs.The barristers need to continue bringing their A-game. The jungle of jargon is formidable, and it's not a pretty jungle like on a TV vacation prize. Judges need mentoring.

[pcfixer]

:munchin:lifter

I'll will be interesting to know the Judges name on this!


Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen View Post
Dominoes are starting to fall from the Bruen decision.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...16528.18.0.pdf

[bubba]

This is Pure AWESOME!

To see this in a law suit makes me happy….

“332. In other words, ATF has created an informal definition, within another informal definition, within a regulatory definition, within another regulatory definition, within a statutory definition, of a statutory term.

333. If that does not sum up the problems with this nation’s vast and unchecked administrative state, it is hard to see what would.”

God Bless the States that filed this!

[GratefulCitizen]

Miller v. Bonta was decided over a year ago and the California assault weapons ban was struck down.
California appealed and managed to get a stay on the lower court’s ruling.

After the recent SCOTUS ruling, there was a motion to lift the stay.
California wants the stay to be kept in place, the ruling vacated, and have the case remanded back to the district court.

This is just an attempt to stall.
The district court ruled using the correct test.

Here is the response to California’s motion:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1658190625/Miller_v_Bonta_Reply_in_Support_of_Motion_to_Lift_ Stay.pdf


The 9th circuit is enabling California’s stalling tactics.
Hopefully plaintiffs will seek an injunction

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1659399440/Miller_v_Bonta_Order_Remanding_Case.pdf?1659399440

[Badger52]

The 9th circuit is enabling California’s stalling tactics.
Hopefully plaintiffs will seek an injunction

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1659399440/Miller_v_Bonta_Order_Remanding_Case.pdf?1659399440
Thanks for continuing to track this.

[JimP]

The 9th circuit is enabling California’s stalling tactics.
Hopefully plaintiffs will seek an injunction

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1659399440/Miller_v_Bonta_Order_Remanding_Case.pdf?1659399440

The Ninth circuit is THE most over-turned judicial district in the country. Basically, look to see what they are doing and then do the opposite, you'll be fine.

[Box]

The Ninth circuit is THE most over-turned judicial district in the country. Basically, look to see what they are doing and then do the opposite, you'll be fine.

That may be true - but conservative justices like John Roberts are why people in Vegas gamble on EVERYTHING - so, you never know...
After all, Obama Care is a tax - or its not a tax or it is a tax but not THAT kind of tax - whatever - its legal
...dont forget, Roberts was trying to talk the other conservatives out of voting down the Roe-v-Wade case until the leak forced his hand.

[Badger52]

...dont forget, Roberts was trying to talk the other conservatives out of voting down the Roe-v-Wade case until the leak forced his hand.Had a family-gathering around that time and there was one of those living room 20-minute solve-the-world discussions on this. Everyone was thinking a lefty intern and I thought, "hmmm, maybe not, What if Thomas (or someone) was getting tired of 'waffles' for breakfast?"

[Badger52]

WASHINGTON, DC (June 30, 2022) – Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced today that the United States Supreme Court has granted, vacated, and remanded its Bianchi v. Frosh lawsuit, which challenges Maryland’s ban on so-called “assault weapons.” The case will now return to the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals “for further consideration in light of New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen.”

[…]

“This is an important moment,” said FPC Policy Counsel Matthew Larosiere. “We have suffered at the hands of government actors who felt empowered by a lack of clear standards from the Supreme Court. All too often, horrible restrictions which threaten jail time for simply owning a common type of arm–one the people have an undeniable right to–were allowed to stand. This case presents one of the first opportunities to give force to our right to these common firearms, and we intend to see it through.”

Link to article (https://thegunfeed.com/supreme-court-vacates-decision-upholding-maryland-assault-weapon-ban/) at The Gun Feed on Firearm Policy Coalition.

This is more goodness as they tell an appellate that they recognize an issue & for the lower court to do their damned job after the lower court had dismissed it out of hand.

[Box]

I just hope everyone realizes that should the left retain the house and retake the senate, you can expect them to push through the worst - and then just to make it stick, you can expect them to start trying to impeach their way into a liberal majority on the high court.

I'd say "stack" but they have an axe to grind and if they can impeach a few of those conservative radicals as a poke in the eye - so much better.

[GratefulCitizen]

Township effectively bans gun range.
Business challenges on 2nd Amendment grounds.

District court dismisses.
6th circuit vacates dismissal and remands.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/22a0322n-06.pdf

[Badger52]

Township effectively bans gun range.
Knowing Howell, MI that is not a surprise. Used to stay with friends there while shooting an annual match at Brighton. Met Don Burgett there in a bookstore before he passed & he signed 2 of his books for me. But it is a genteel artsy-fartsy place full of people with noble intent.

[GratefulCitizen]

ATF supervisor resigns.
Drops truth bomb in resignation letter.

(The letter can be read without downloading.)
https://www.scribd.com/document/585732085/Leaked-Resignation-Letter-Shows-ATF-Agents-Frustration-Over-Politicization#download&from_embed

[Box]

If I was in charge of a tyrannical organization seeking to rob innocent citizens of their god-given rights if they refused to accept the premise of a government-approved narrative - well - I would see this resignation letter as a measure of effectiveness. I would revel in knowing that everything I was doing was progressing exactly as I intended. I would turn up the heat and continue to flush out folks like this until they are all out of work - then I would gleefully replace them with easily manipulated minions that would do my bidding as I continued to tell everyone how hard I was working to make things safe for the children...

...and all of the out-of-work dissidents would be sent off to my glorious reeducation camps.

[GratefulCitizen]

Benitez is moving this quickly.
Wonder if he’s irritated with the stalling tactics.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.642089/gov.uscourts.casd.642089.125.0.pdf

[GratefulCitizen]

Texas law barring 18-20 year olds from bearing handguns struck down in federal court.

https://texasscorecard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/andrews-v-mccraw-opinion.pdf

[Badger52]

Texas law barring 18-20 year olds from bearing handguns struck down in federal court.

https://texasscorecard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/andrews-v-mccraw-opinion.pdf30 days for appeal, but this is 1 step in the right direction.

[sfshooter]

Texas law barring 18-20 year olds from bearing handguns struck down in federal court.

https://texasscorecard.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/andrews-v-mccraw-opinion.pdf

OANN has a story of some more gun bills circulating in congress. One of those bills is to create a law changing the age (raise) of those purchasing firearms.

The person being interviewed was the president of NationalGunRights.org

Has anyone seen the NRA in the news lately fighting against all these bills? What a POS organization that has turned into IMO.

[GratefulCitizen]

Plaintiff’s supplemental brief in California assault weapons ban case:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/5381/attachments/original/1661805936/Miller_v_Bonta_FPC_Supplemental_Brief.pdf?16618059 36

[GratefulCitizen]

Another TRO against another Colorado county.
Assault weapons bans and magazine bans getting knocked down everywhere.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cod.217609/gov.uscourts.cod.217609.15.0.pdf

[MR2]

Another TRO against another Colorado county.
Assault weapons bans and magazine bans getting knocked down everywhere.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cod.217609/gov.uscourts.cod.217609.15.0.pdf

Both of these TROs are granted by Democrat appointed judges (Obama/Brandon).

As the lawyer told me: Judges can read. Even communists. And no federal judge really wants to be overturned and spanked by SCOTUS.

[GratefulCitizen]

Preliminary injunction against the ATF “partial” frame and receiver rule:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6573/attachments/original/1662145028/VanDerStok_v_Garland_Order_on_MPI.pdf?1662145028

[Badger52]

Preliminary injunction against the ATF “partial” frame and receiver rule:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6573/attachments/original/1662145028/VanDerStok_v_Garland_Order_on_MPI.pdf?1662145028Ou tstanding! Thanks for that. (Now they can quit polishing that phrase "constructive intent" they used to toss about with abandon.)

A flavorful morsel from the Judge:
ATF has no general authority to regulate weapon parts. But the Final Rule grants ATF that general authority by copying language used throughout the statutory definition. It takes phrases like “designed to” and “may readily be converted” and “assembled” from various places in the statute, cobbling them together to form ATF’s own definition of “firearm.” Those terms may add a patina of credibility to the drafting, but they tarnish Congress’s carefully crafted definition. More importantly, they unlawfully expand ATF’s authority beyond the boundaries set by the Gun Control Act.
:munchin

[GratefulCitizen]

NYSRPA v. Bruen II: The Empire State Strikes Back.

The state of New York, in response to getting smacked down by SCOTUS, doubled down and passed a concealed carry scheme which openly defies the ruling.
So, NYSRPA sued again.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.134455/gov.uscourts.nynd.134455.1.0.pdf

[MR2]

The state of New York, in response to getting smacked down by SCOTUS, doubled down and passed a concealed carry scheme which openly defies the ruling.
So, NYSRPA sued again.

So a thoughtful Congress could redirect federal funds earmarked for New York to security in other states on the southern border - which would still benefit NY.

[GratefulCitizen]

Judge dismisses suit for preliminary injunction against NY carry law for lack of jurisdiction.
Then judge proceeds to shred NY carry law, in case court is later found to have jurisdiction.

It gets interesting starting on page 53:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602/gov.uscourts.nynd.133602.48.0.pdf

[GratefulCitizen]

Project Veritas reveals leaked New York internal memo.

From the memo:
“People who are carrying firearms in New York State are presumed to be doing so unlawfully, until proven otherwise.”

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/New-York-City-Police-Department-Firearms-Possession-Legal-Brief.pdf

[Box]

From the memo:
“People who are carrying firearms in New York State are presumed to be doing so unlawfully, until proven otherwise.”

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/New-York-City-Police-Department-Firearms-Possession-Legal-Brief.pdf

You haven't been following current events; if you live in Lesko Brandon's aMerika and you are NOT following the narrative, your guilt is assumed - proven - is just tossed in there to help with the illusion that 'justice' still exists.

GUILTY.

[Paslode]

How about the new gun registration system created by ISO? I am sure many of you know how ISO functions....a paper trail so to speak from start to finish. As I recall if your company is unable to meet ISO standards they cannot be ISO Certified and then other ISO certified companies can no longer do business with you, which is eerily similar to losing your job if you refused to get the jab.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/visa-mastercard-amex-to-start-categorizing-gun-shop-sales-following-iso-s-code-11662854300248.html

[bblhead672]

How about the new gun registration system created by ISO? I am sure many of you know how ISO functions....a paper trail so to speak from start to finish. As I recall if your company is unable to meet ISO standards they cannot be ISO Certified and then other ISO certified companies can no longer do business with you, which is eerily similar to losing your job fig you refused to get the jab.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/visa-mastercard-amex-to-start-categorizing-gun-shop-sales-following-iso-s-code-11662854300248.html

It's a good time to complete your purchases of guns/ammo/mags/etc with credit cards. Use cash if possible.
Their next step will be replacing cash with digital currency, leaving bartering as the only way to keep the controllers out of your business.

[Box]

Much like always - it becomes clear that its not "really" about the guns - its just about "control"

Do as you are told,
like what you are told to like,
drive what you are told to drive,
buy what you are told to buy,
and eat your peas,
or else.

[Badger52]

Their next step will be replacing cash with digital currency, leaving bartering as the only way to keep the controllers out of your business.I'm sure there have been times when 420 rounds of M193, M855 or - my favorite - M2AP has been used as a barter item. ('Course for M2AP I must be desperate, and you'd better have a new Toyota pickup in your hand.)

[GratefulCitizen]

Persons under indictment retain 2nd Amendment rights.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/422cv104.pdf

[Badger52]

Persons under indictment retain 2nd Amendment rights.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/422cv104.pdfWow. He took awhile to get there but he schooled some folks, incorporating both history & the impact of current decisions.
Also, he's an Eagles fan:
Indeed, if receiving a firearm were illegal, but possessing or carrying one remained a constitutional right, one would first need to break the law to exercise that right. The Government is asking in effect to banish gun rights to Hotel California’s purgatory:
“You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.”

Thanks; good read.
:cool:

[Surf n Turf]

Persons under indictment retain 2nd Amendment rights.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/422cv104.pdf

GratefulCitizen,

Don’t you just love it when a legal opinion is so well written that laymen can understand the reasoning, and the finding.

SnT

[GratefulCitizen]

Federal judge enjoins Delaware from enforcing ban on self-made firearms.

https://www.ded.uscourts.gov/sites/ded/files/opinions/21-1523.pdf

[GratefulCitizen]

Judge Benitez enjoins enforcement of magazine ban for those who legally acquired them in California.
He also tips his hand as to how this case will likely go.

Should be completed at this level (again…) before the end of the year.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.casd.533515/gov.uscourts.casd.533515.111.0.pdf

[Badger52]

Judge Benitez(tyrants in CA ordered to) "file any additional briefing that is necessary to decide this case in light of Bruen"

We're seeing this repeatedly; that very language. Smooth, pillow talk - mmmm, yeah, baby.

Also, I like renderings that publicly call out yet a-NOTHER in the loss column where SCOTUS spanked the 9th Circus. Das freut mich sehr.

[GratefulCitizen]

Lawsuit against Connecticut assault weapon ban.

https://atkinsonlawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AW-Complaint.pdf

[Badger52]

Lawsuit against Connecticut assault weapon ban.

https://atkinsonlawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/AW-Complaint.pdfAwesome. Their AWB isn't only wrong because it's wrong, it racist & sexist, vocabulary that the defendants are well familiar with.

[GratefulCitizen]

Judge dismisses Mexico’s lawsuit against gun manufacturers.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge-dismisses-mexicos-10-bln-lawsuit-against-gun-makers-2022-09-30/

[GratefulCitizen]

Injunction against ATF expanded to cover customers of 80% receivers manufacturer:

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6573/attachments/original/1664676764/VanDerStok_v_Garland_Order_on_Scope_of_Preliminary _Injunction.pdf?1664676764

[GratefulCitizen]

SCOTUS vacates and remands 1st Circuit gun case.

https://thereload.com/supreme-court-tells-lower-court-to-reconsider-massachusetts-misdemeanor-handgun-ban/

[GratefulCitizen]

TRO issued against New York concealed carry law:

https://www.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/GOA-Victory-TRO-in-NY-10-06-22.pdf

[Badger52]

TRO issued against New York concealed carry law:

https://www.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/GOA-Victory-TRO-in-NY-10-06-22.pdfThanks for that news. Can't really call it progress but rather a reversal of 'some' of the ridiculous provisions of NY's law. Some are left in, as to places where carry is prohibited. Good to see, but NY statists don't quit. They exist to make the peasants' lives miserable.

Sad to see the current conditions in some of the states that, in history's reading, were formerly the most kick-ass liberty-demanding around. Ballot counting has consequences.

[sfshooter]

Another win for the 2A. A federal judge has ruled that required serial numbers on firearms is unconstitutional. That will be a slap against the 80% rules the Against Total Freedom branch is trying to get established.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/judge-guns/2022/10/13/id/1091786/

[bblhead672]

Another win for the 2A. A federal judge has ruled that required serial numbers on firearms is unconstitutional. That will be a slap against the 80% rules the Against Total Freedom branch is trying to get established.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/judge-guns/2022/10/13/id/1091786/

The hits just keep on coming! The hits on unconstitutional gun control laws that is.

[Badger52]

Another win for the 2A.]From the article:
Serial numbers, first required by the federal Gun Control Act of 1968, are intended to prevent illegal gun sales and make it easier to solve crimes by allowing individual guns to be traced.
So looking back over 50 years that certainly worked out, eh?
:rolleyes:

[GratefulCitizen]

“Justifiable need” provision for New Jersey concealed carry permanently enjoined:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.452993/gov.uscourts.njd.452993.51.0.pdf

[bubba]

“Justifiable need” provision for New Jersey concealed carry permanently enjoined:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.njd.452993/gov.uscourts.njd.452993.51.0.pdf

The best part of this that I can see is that NJ didn’t even appeal the decision! Hopefully the dam is giving way

[Badger52]

The best part of this that I can see is that NJ didn’t even appeal the decision! Hopefully the damn is giving wayAlso nice the court took care of some housekeeping rather than have actual plaintiffs climb back into the circle jerk.

A body of derivative case law is being built off Bruen.

[bblhead672]

Also nice the court took care of some housekeeping rather than have actual plaintiffs climb back into the circle jerk.

A body of derivative case law is being built off Bruen.

Hopefully the ball just keeps rolling all the way back to the National Firearms Act of 1934 to overturn it.

[Box]

I’d like to see something done about financial institutions being pressured to interfere with legitimate business ventures and using purchasing data to identify or restrict commerce.
It’s easy for the government to say”hey we can’t tell hanks what they can and can’t lend money for”
…all the while you have congressional representatives threatening business in open testimony because they won’t commit to refusing business loans

[JJ_BPK]

Just found..

I wonder if this is another case of the FBI/USPS "suggesting" FB & ZUK help to catch bad guys??




US Postal Service Confesses to Spying on Gun Owners’ Social Media Accounts, By
Donny Ferguson, October 17, 2022

“A FOIA obtained by Cato Institute senior fellow Patrick Eddington shows that the United States Postal Service (USPS) inspectors have been monitoring pro-gun activists,” Ammoland reports.

It is unclear why the Postal Service was engaged in domestic surveillance of Facebook accounts.

“The USPS Internet Covert Operations Program (iCOP) monitored the social media accounts of gun rights advocates from September 2020 through April 2021. The postal inspectors tracked the online activities of gun activists that attended Virginia Citizens Defense League’s (VCDL) ‘Lobby Day’ and protests over the killing of Breonna Taylor,” Ammoland adds.

In one “Situational Awareness Bulletin” distributed to law enforcement, the USPS reported as a potential terrorist attack the VDCL’s “Lobby Day,” in which Virginia residents go the State Capitol in Richmond to speak with legislators.

“Lobby Day” has been a decades-long tradition with no acts of violence. Not only has the VCDL has never threatened violence, it coordinates its Lobby Day with police due to constant death threats from anti-gun activists.

https://americanliberty.news/commentary/us-postal-service-confesses-to-spying-on-gun-owners-social-media-accounts/dferguson/2022/10/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ae01&seyid=26971

[GratefulCitizen]

California DOJ enjoined (by state court) from doxxing gun owners:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6386/attachments/original/1665786220/37-2022-00003676-CU-CR-CTL_ROA-114_10-13-22_Tentative_Rulings_1665703986902.pdf?1665786220

[Badger52]

I’d like to see something done about financial institutions being pressured to interfere with legitimate business ventures and using purchasing data to identify or restrict commerce.
It’s easy for the government to say”hey we can’t tell hanks what they can and can’t lend money for”
…all the while you have congressional representatives threatening business in open testimony because they won’t commit to refusing business loansOperation CHOKE POINT. There was coercion to banks; resistance initially was met by "Gee, that's a nice set of books you have there. Be a shame if we climbed completely up your ass and audited you from stem to stern." Supposedly shut down but apparently the genetic material lingers on in some banking managers as a way to coerce behavior in their customers. CC companies and payment processors do the same thing. Having payment processors turn off their services can cripple an FFL faster than notice of an ATF compliance visit.

I agree that The Wrath needs to be called down on the practice.

[GratefulCitizen]

Court enjoins New York from enforcing ban on guns in places of worship:
https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Hardaway-Decision-Order-C.pdf

The decision itself is nice, but the judge’s reasoning sets a powerful precedent.
The judge firmly establishes that the historical standard is 1791, and any allowable restrictions need to be long-standing and broadly consistent across jurisdictions.

[Badger52]

Court enjoins New York from enforcing ban on guns in places of worship:
https://www.saf.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Hardaway-Decision-Order-C.pdf

The decision itself is nice, but the judge’s reasoning sets a powerful precedent.
The judge firmly establishes that the historical standard is 1791, and any allowable restrictions need to be long-standing and broadly consistent across jurisdictions.Thanks sir. I expect we're going to see more of these cases on an individual aspect post-Bruen because NY has not shown that they will quit. Tyrants don't stop unless made to stop.

[Box]

Thanks sir. I expect we're going to see more of these cases on an individual aspect post-Bruen because NY has not shown that they will quit. Tyrants don't stop unless made to stop.

Tyrants never stop.

Look nationwide and you can see gun rights cases that have been "won" in a court of law.
...but move to Illinois and try to buy something as petty as Walmart shelf quality shotgun shells without your "firearms owner ID card" or go to New Jersey and buy some hollow points for your concealed carry pistol.

Hahhahahah - just kidding - possession of hollow point bullets in New Jersey could result in a felony arrest.
...if you could even prove that your PCH was needed because you are in dire need of a CCW, or that your pathetic unwashed peasant life is in danger

hahahahahahahahaha - hollow points in a New Jersey CCW - I hope nobody actually fell for that joke.
...suckers

Tyrants dont care about laws.
As long as tyrants retain their office, the laws will only apply to their opponents.

But the tyrants don't care - they will point to facts that while California may have some of the most restrictive gun laws in America, they are also the 7th lowest in gun ownership...
...well no mother fucking shit guv'na - if you ban the sale of whole wheat fettuccine noodles in Gluten City, you'll be able to post the lowest fettuccine ownership rates in all of Gluten County.

Just dont ask them to explain the violent crime in LA or Oakland or what seems to be a mass exodus from the state - because if you ask questions that require thought; well - fuck you - you're a racist

Besides, nobody cares about gun laws anymore. They will just outlaw the use of lead or tie emissions from gunpowder to the national security risks of global climate change and the only folks that will be able to afford ammo will be the gubmint.
...and the rich folks that pay to keep their politicians in office


Now, stop worrying about silly gun laws and go eat your peas

[sg1987]

Now, stop worrying about silly gun laws and go eat your peas

I am having visions of Box standing behind a podium as the new White House press secretary. :D

[Box]

I wold never be the press secretary

However - I would gladly elevate it to a cabinet-level position and become the first "Secretary of the Press"
Head of the newly formed "Department of Press Relations"

I would be responsible for redefining historical events and administering the "truth" to all Americans - as well as the Americants. I would help spread a new inclusive language that helped explain that 2+2 really does equal 5 So that people would FINALLY understand things like "three letters = J.O.B.S" and "two words; MADE.IN.AMERICA"

Then I could explain how Lesko Brandon only has two brain cells and all three of them are fighting for fourth place

Then I'd teach all of you hucksters what common sense guns laws REALLY look like

[GratefulCitizen]

Preliminary injunction against most of New York’s concealed-carry law.
The parts enjoined are listed around page 182:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829.78.0_1.pdf

[Badger52]

^^ Excellent.

[MR2]

^^ Excellent.

It was a rather satisfying smackdown at that.

[bblhead672]

Preliminary injunction against most of New York’s concealed-carry law.
The parts enjoined are listed around page 182:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829/gov.uscourts.nynd.134829.78.0_1.pdf

Excellent. NY will probably just enact new laws that will have to be smacked down again.
At some point, a judge should hold the lawmakers and governor in contempt of court for trying to get around the rulings.

[Box]

The real mark of success will be reading an article that shows the uptick in newly issued carry permits

...or the uptick in lawsuits because New York told the courts to fuck right off

[GratefulCitizen]

New York gets smacked down again.
They will, of course, appeal.

At this point New York and other states are just stalling.
This only serves to build a very strong foundation from an abundance of cases citing the Bruen decision.

If it goes up again, SCOTUS may end up freeing gun rights even further.
Heller, McDonald, Bruen…the arc of history is bending towards liberty.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6597/attachments/original/1669158485/Christian_v_Nigrelli_Order_on_Motion_for_Prelimina ry_Injunction.pdf?1669158485

[Badger52]

At this point New York and other states are just stalling.
This only serves to build a very strong foundation from an abundance of cases citing the Bruen decision.
Good again to see a jurist coming from the perspective of "that which is not expressly prohibited is permitted" rather than the NY (and others) approach of "you can't do it unless I say so." The former is the proper state of affairs.

[bubba]

At this point it is more than clear what the “state” is doing. They are picking a fight. They WANT the “Citizens of the several states” to just start shooting at them (either directly or with lawsuits) in rebellion.

By behaving this way, when (not if) another lunatic with a “high-powered-assault-machine-pistol-with-a-100-round-magazine-clip-firing-fully-semi-automatic-with-a-sniper-night-sight” starts shooting kids on a playground or homosexuals at a night club (an/or congress) then there can be cries of “we, the sensible gun control party, told you this was going to happen”….

Now get in the train car, it’s for your own good….

Or in the words of Mr. Box, “Eat your peas!”

[Box]

Or in the words of Mr. Box, “Eat your peas!”

Dear sweet Jesus - "Mr" ??
Seriously?
You said Mr?
...are you seriously assuming my gender while posting about a socially sensitive topic?

C'mon man. You're better than that. "Box" is a gender-less pronoun that encompasses all that is marvelous in the known universe. The nonsense and frivolity that rests at my core transcend gender. A Box has no gender - it just, "is"
...which is a difficult concept in and of itself - just ask Bill Clinton - he testified under oath that he wasn't sure about the definition of the word "is"

Not to mention, we the people just nominated, confirmed, and seated a supreme court Justice that doesn't know what a woman "is"

When a POTUS that isn't sure about the word "is" and a SCOTUS with two "X" chromosomes can testify before congress that she can't define what a 'woman' is without consulting with a Biologist, then certainly we can't just assume the existential binary identity status of Box and when the executive branch and judicial branch can't figure out things like "is" or the gender associated with their own chromosomal makeup, clearly they can't be trusted figure out something as nuanced as responsible gun ownership.

Now, since this "is" a 2a thread let me steer my post back on topic by stating that even guns can be figured out when it comes to gender:
243 "is" a Girl Hunting Caliber
308 "is" a Male Hunting Caliber
380 and 9x19 are Female Concealed Carry Calibers
45 ACP "is" a Male Concealed Carry Caliber
...and since a 1911 chambered in 9x19 can be a male OR female concealed carry pistol; we can clearly assume that guns can be completely nonbinary which proves that guns are for everyone


that is all

[Badger52]

They WANT the “Citizens of the several states” to just start shooting at them (either directly or with lawsuits) in rebellion.
Teaser.

[Badger52]

Good coverage of this case by Ammoland here. (https://www.ammoland.com/2022/11/law-banning-gun-possession-due-to-restraining-order-is-unconstitutional/#axzz7lpj3CaMO)

Meat of the matter:
From the opinion:

Before Bruen, the Second Amendment looked like an abandoned cabin in the woods. A knot of vines, weeds, and roots, left unkempt for decades, crawling up the cabin’s sides as if pulling it under the earth. Firearm regulations are that overgrowth. Starting with the Federal Firearms Act in 1938, laws were passed with little—if any—consideration given to their constitutionality. That is, until the Supreme Court intervened in Bruen.

Judge Counts concludes with this:

That said, this Court embraces Bruen’s charge. Thus, after sifting through the history above, this Court finds that the Government did not prove that §922(g)(8) aligns with this Nation’s historical tradition of firearm regulation and declines the Government’s invitation to insert its own public policy concerns rather than following Bruen. As a result, the Court holds that § 922(g)(8) is unconstitutional under Bruen’s framework.

Before and after the passage of the controversial Lautenberg Amendment in 1996, many commentators noted several constitutional problems with the law.

It was the first time a fundamental constitutional right could be removed for a misdemeanor;
It was the first time a fundamental constitutional right could be removed for a restraining order;
The amendment punished people for past behavior, thus, it was an ex-post-facto law.

When courts were presented with these arguments, the counterarguments were:

The Second Amendment is not an individual right;
People are not being punished for past acts, but for acts in the present; if they possess firearms in the present, they are violating the law (this presumes removing a constitutional right is not punishment)

Judge Counts’ opinion sweeps away those excuses. As Bruen shows the Second Amendment as a fundamental right on par with the First Amendment, those arguments no longer apply.

The Supreme Court has held a person whose constitutional rights are violated, even for a moment, suffers irreparable harm.

[bubba]

Am I the only one thinking “hey, how about I go and do something to get arrested like build a machine-gun so I can sue the fed-bois and get the entire NFA tossed out”?

Yeah, it would be a pain in the ass, but I’m retired and don’t have shit else to do?

“I’m gonna go pick a fight”…….

[MR2]

“I’m gonna go pick a fight”…….

Planning is key. Get yourself a legal team willing to go the distance (get it in writing). Start a legal fund - market it. Video the build and arrest.

Oh, and cleanse thy life, computers, electronic history, abode, and friends list.

Double oh, carry a toothbrush...

<salute>

Addendum: I've long said if I needed a lawyer, I'd check with cop friends and prosecutors to see who they considered the biggest son of a bitch around. Then I'd hire that son of a bitch.

[rsdengler]

Am I the only one thinking “hey, how about I go and do something to get arrested like build a machine-gun so I can sue the fed-bois and get the entire NFA tossed out”?

Yeah, it would be a pain in the ass, but I’m retired and don’t have shit else to do?

“I’m gonna go pick a fight”…….

Sounds like a plan...

[bubba]

Well, not to be outdone by the left coast’s brand of Krazy, it seems that the land of lincoln really wants to reclaim it’s place in the heart (land) of stupid….. I guess they somehow missed out on that whole Oregon thing going on….

https://www.maxonshooters.com/blog/hb5855-illinois-assault-weapons-ban-is-coming

I hope that this just adds ammunition to the 50-round magazine being loaded into the “destroy the NFA / GCA” lawsuit that is coming.

[Badger52]

Dr. Lott testified before the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security last week for a hearing dedicated to “Examining Uvalde: The Search for Bipartisan Solutions to Gun Violence.”*

At this link (https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/dr-lott-testifies-3-basic-facts-everyone-should-know/) are 3 quick narrative points and the video of his testimony. The video portion is just 30 minutes; worthwhile. 3 points he starts off with:


1. Over 92% of violent crimes in America do not involve firearms. The U.S. Department of Justice’s National Crime Victimization Survey for 2020 shows 4,558,150 rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults, and the FBI reports 21,570 murders. Of those, firearms were involved in 350,460 rapes, robberies, and aggravated assaults. Adding those numbers up, 7.9% of violent crimes were committed with firearms.

2. While the US media doesn’t give much, if any, coverage to mass public shootings in other countries, mass public shootings per capita are relatively low in the United States compared to the rest of the world. Over the 20 years from 1998 to 2017, the US had less than 1.13% of the world’s share of mass public shooters and 1.77% of its mass public shooting murders. That’s much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Since 2000, there have been nine mass public school shootings in the US. Germany had only three over that period and Finland had only one, but the United States has four times the population of Germany and sixty times that of Finland. Russia has had four such massacres, but we have 2.3 times its population. On a per capita basis, all three countries have a similar or higher rate compared to that of the US.

3. Like many other mass public shooters, the Buffalo shooter targeted defenseless people. He even wrote in his manifesto: “Attacking in a weapon-restricted area may decrease the chance of civilian backlash. Schools, courts, or areas where CCW are outlawed or prohibited may be good areas of attack. Areas where CCW permits are low may also fit in this category. Areas with strict gun laws are also great places of attack.” The national media refuses to report other explicit statements by attackers explaining why they pick the targets they do. Nor do they report the fact that 94% of mass public shootings occur in places where civilians are banned from having firearms.

[Box]

facts dont matter in the USA - the agenda is all that matters

[Badger52]

facts dont matter in the USA - the agenda is all that mattersTrue. But they can be useful in a 1:1 encounter at times.

[Box]

True. But they can be useful in a 1:1 encounter at times.

On its face - I agree with you 100% but in practice: "true believers" aren't interested in 1:1 encounters.

-True believers "say" they believe in free speech - as l0ng as you say what they want you to say.
-True believers "say" they believe in ekwalitee - as long as you let them decide who gets to be more equal.
-True believers "say" they want diversity and inclusion - as long as everyone looks and acts the same.

Facts are meaningless to the true believers - on BOTH sides of the spectrum.

[Badger52]

On its face - I agree with you 100% but in practice: "true believers" aren't interested in 1:1 encounters.
No dispute there, as to True Believers®

[GratefulCitizen]

The case against New York’s concealed carry law is working its way up to the Supreme Court’s shadow docket.
Sotomayor is the justice over the 2nd circuit, and received the emergency request to vacate the stay on the lower court’s ruling.

https://www.gunowners.org/wp-content/uploads/Antonyuk-Application-to-Vacate-Stay-FINAL.pdf

SCOTUS has apparently asked New York to respond to the emergency request by January 3rd, but I can’t find a link.
These YouTubers have some details:

https://youtu.be/m2oNl1SUlX0
https://youtu.be/S4qms5SUtG4

[GratefulCitizen]

New York smacked down again.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nywd.143192/gov.uscourts.nywd.143192.56.0.pdf

[bubba]

While I can’t say if I have or have not been saved by God, I know for a fact that I have been saved by Saint John Moses Browning’s glorious implement of destruction, the M2HB. All hail the 6-9 round burst of suppressive fires that protect me from enemy assaults. I have been bathed in the holy lubricant of CLP. So pray with me as I place cone’s of fire on the devils of the world. The government is infringing on my Religious freedom by prohibiting me from purchasing the implements of my salvation.

Repeal the NFA so I can practice my religion!

I’m not kidding.

This is not a joke.

[Badger52]

Repeal the NFA so I can practice my religion!
I’m not kidding.
This is not a joke.Such would also put the trappings of one's faith within financial reach of more of the congregation.

Also, to GC's post above, nice to see NY get slapped again for the tyrants they are.

[7624U]

The government is infringing on my Religious freedom by prohibiting me from purchasing the implements of my salvation.

Repeal the NFA so I can practice my religion!

I’m not kidding.

This is not a joke.

Most holy of all hole making, may your brass pile high and unburden your soul.

[Box]

While I can’t say if I have or have not been saved by God, I know for a fact that I have been saved by Saint John Moses Browning’s glorious implement of destruction, the M2HB. All hail the 6-9 round burst of suppressive fires that protect me from enemy assaults. I have been bathed in the holy lubricant of CLP. So pray with me as I place cone’s of fire on the devils of the world. The government is infringing on my Religious freedom by prohibiting me from purchasing the implements of my salvation.

Repeal the NFA so I can practice my religion!

I’m not kidding.

This is not a joke.


I love your posts. Also, I want to join you in your search for the salvation of the 2d Commandment of the Constitution. I believe that the Saint Browning Armory is the one true path that leads to that salvation.

The historic artifacts bestowed upon mankind by the great Saint John Moses Browning were imbued with powers that many simply cannot understand.
-The M1911 propels Truth, Justice, and the American Way 230 grains at a time.
-The hypnotically effective M1918 Saint Browning Automatic Rifle
-The mighty 1887 shotgun – a weapon so mind boggling that only a Cyberdyne Systems Model-101 can wield it with one hand while riding a Fat-Boy Harley Davidson with the other.

Even among all these magical designs that were left to us by Saint Browning, the M2HB stands in judgement of the rest…
...a half inch of short recoil operated judgement (that's 12.7 millimeters to all of you goons that don't speak American).

Then of course there is that holy lubricant that you speak of; Cleaner, Lubricant, and Preservative. A collection of substances akin to Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh. Just as the Magi brought Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh as gifts to a newborn baby in a manger; the unit armorer brings Cleaner, Lubricant, and Preservative to the newly minted 18B hanging out in the Arms Room.

CLP is more than just a gift from the armorer – it is a trinity, bonded together as a common solution to mankind’s struggle with weapons maintenance. Much like the Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh could have been used to pay for the stable and the families journey to Egypt, perfume and insect repellent for the manger, and a sweet smelling ointment for the new-born baby; CLP exists of a Cleaner, that washes away carbon, lead fouling, and gunpowder residue; a Lubricant, that serves as a fragrant oil that allows a complex mechanism to function smoothly and efficiently; a Preservative to repel moisture and prevent rust and oxidation.

The words of John Moses Browning should be spread across the land. The masses should be taught to ignore the heretic that might say the 6-to-9 round burst was proof that no one should posses magazines holding more than ten rounds. Bear witness to the difference between grazing fire and plunging fire. Share the importance of applying traversing fire, searching fire, and my own personal favorite – free gun - all applied using NUMEROUS 6-to-9 round bursts, not just one.
…nay, the Soldier does not survive by the 6-to-9 round burst alone; the 6-to-9 round burst springs forth from a belt of one hundred .50 BMG rounds

Provide testimony to the non-believers that the Browning Automatic Rifle employs 20 round magazines to produce the ephemeral 6-to-9 round burst. Preach the doctrine of crew served weapons as an integral part of combined arms warfare. Exclaim the importance of a gun team having pistols, carbines, and even submachine guns - all capable of firing more than just 9 rounds – to defend the gunner as he loads, fires, reduces stoppages, performs immediate action, and performs remedial action on the exalted belt fed Browning Machine Gun; all the while constantly displacing to prevent the evil and wicked from isolating and closing on his position through the use of fire and maneuver.
…and the ability to daisy chain multiple belts of ammunition to lay waste to the unclean when needed.

Preach to the non-believers that a belligerent force that has managed to over run a unit using 6-to-9 round bursts will find themselves accursed with final protective fires – a looooong sustained burst meant to cut down all attackers as they cross the final protective line…
…can’t do THAT with 9 rounds at a time.


And I heard him explain as he rode out of sight – ready on the left, ready on the right – gunners, watch your lanes - and to the bad guys, good night.

[GratefulCitizen]

New York’s red flag law found unconstitutional by state Supreme Court.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2022/2022-ny-slip-op-22392.html

“While some may advocate that "the ends justify the means" in support of §63-a, where those means violate a fundamental right under our Bill of Rights to achieve their ends, then the law, on it's face, cannot stand.
Therefore, the "Temporary Extreme Risk Protection Order" (TERPO) and "Extreme Risk Protection Order" (ERPO) are deemed to be unconstitutional by this Court as CPLR Article 63-a is presently drafted. It can not be stated clearly enough that the Second Amendment is not a second class right, nor should it ever be treated as such.”

[Badger52]

New York’s red flag law found unconstitutional by state Supreme Court.

https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2022/2022-ny-slip-op-22392.html

“While some may advocate that "the ends justify the means" in support of §63-a, where those means violate a fundamental right under our Bill of Rights to achieve their ends, then the law, on it's face, cannot stand.
Therefore, the "Temporary Extreme Risk Protection Order" (TERPO) and "Extreme Risk Protection Order" (ERPO) are deemed to be unconstitutional by this Court as CPLR Article 63-a is presently drafted. It can not be stated clearly enough that the Second Amendment is not a second class right, nor should it ever be treated as such.”Thanks for posting.

"As such, this Court holds that, under CPLR 63-a, in order to pass constitutional muster, the legislature must provide that a citizen be afforded procedural guarantees, such as a physician's determination that a respondent presents a condition "likely to result in serious harm," before a petitioner files for a TERPO or ERPO. "procedural guarantees" indeed. This is the part of the civics lesson that Trump didn't understand.

[JimP]

Box has spoken: "All ya'll mother-effers need you some John Moses Browning."

[bubba]

Box has spoken: "All ya'll mother-effers need you some John Moses Browning."

Let us all sing from our hymnal of hip-pocket-training:

“Shoot that Mother Effer, Shoot that Mother-Efferr”

May your Saturday be blessed with 4:1 ball-tracer mix fired in a concentric beaten zone.

[GratefulCitizen]

Another state goes constitutional carry.

https://apnews.com/article/politics-alabama-law-enforcement-e1319c637d42c070eea7b416098e7854

[GratefulCitizen]

New York’s response as requested by SCOTUS:
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23562716/22a557-br-in-opposition.pdf

I just scanned the decision, without reading it thoroughly.
It looks like New York is trying to do a bunch of burden-shifting.

They’re trying to argue that the plaintiffs haven’t proven that New York’s laws aren’t constitutional.
The standard is that New York must prove that there laws are constitutional.

[Badger52]

New York’s response as requested by SCOTUS:
Taking on water, can't seal the hatch, but NY keeps paddling.

[Box]

since when do leftist narratives have anything to do with constitutional freedoms?

you guys are killing me here
killing me

[Badger52]

since when do leftist narratives have anything to do with constitutional freedoms?

you guys are killing me here
killing meWe'll be here through the weekend.
:D

[GratefulCitizen]

DOJ is forced to undermine background check system in order to win appeal.
Gun-grabbers salty about it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sutherland-springs-survivors-say-appeal-damages-gun-safety-laws-rcna63519

[Badger52]

DOJ is forced to undermine background check system in order to win appeal.
Gun-grabbers salty about it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sutherland-springs-survivors-say-appeal-damages-gun-safety-laws-rcna63519This level of Big Mad is interesting. Can The Regime quietly fail to submit their appeal on time and thus - quietly - make the thing go away other than the Big Check they have to cut?

[GratefulCitizen]

5th circuit smacks down ATF.
Bump stocks are not machine guns.

https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/20/20-51016-CV2.pdf

[Box]

Bump stocks were NEVER machine guns - what does that have to do with the Marxist left respecting the bill-of-priveledges ??

[GratefulCitizen]

Gun control is in retreat.
3rd circuit to rehear case concerning non-violent felons owning firearms.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-appeals-court-reconsider-ban-nonviolent-felons-owning-guns-2023-01-06/

https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/jnvwywgbavw/01062023gun_felon_enbanc.pdf

[GratefulCitizen]

TRO imposed on New Jersey’s sensitive places.
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6681/attachments/original/1673275321/Koons_v_Reynolds_Order_on_Motion_for_Temporary_Res training_Order.pdf?1673275321

The judge’s reasoning eviscerates state arguments.

[GratefulCitizen]

New ATF rule challenged.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.371791/gov.uscourts.txnd.371791.1.0.pdf

This lawsuit is thorough.

[Badger52]

The proverbial snowball's chance in hell but...

Rep. Richard Hudson (R) introduced national reciprocity for concealed carry in the 118th Congress on Monday night.

The legislation, H.R. 38–also known as the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act–has a bipartisan group of 118 co-sponsors.

H.R. 38 would make the concealed carry permit of any one state valid in the other 49, just like a driver’s license.

Hudson commented on the legislation, saying:

H.R. 38 guarantees the Second Amendment does not disappear when crossing an invisible state line….[It] protects law-abiding citizens’ rights to conceal carry and travel freely between states without worrying about conflicting state codes or onerous civil suits. I am especially proud to have such widespread and bipartisan support for this measure as I continue working to get this legislation over the finish line.

Link at Breitbart here. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/01/10/rep-hudson-introduces-national-reciprocity-of-concealed-carry/)

[GratefulCitizen]

Supreme Court denies emergency relief and allows New York gun law to stand…for now.
The court gave a strong hint that they don’t condone stalling tactics, and seem skeptical at the 2nd circuit’s dearth of reasoning.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22a557_0pm1.pdf

[Badger52]

Paraphrase:

"Put on a brace you're a maker, except we're not going to call you one, just this once, aren't we nice? As a maker you need to give us $$$ but we're not going to make you because we've been so "clear" in our analysis. Also, there are so many of you (now) non-makers that it would be an administrative burden."

Here's the link to their PDF. (https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizin gbracespdf/download)

Alternatives are found in their section V. B.

I want my MTV.
:munchin

[Paslode]

Paraphrase:

"Put on a brace you're a maker, except we're not going to call you one, just this once, aren't we nice? As a maker you need to give us $$$ but we're not going to make you because we've been so "clear" in our analysis. Also, there are so many of you (now) non-makers that it would be an administrative burden."

Here's the link to their PDF. (https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/docs/undefined/factoringcriteriaforfirearmswithattachedstabilizin gbracespdf/download)

Alternatives are found in their section V. B.

I want my MTV.
:munchin


Looks like a quagmire.

[Badger52]

Looks like a quagmire.So they're contemplating a 120-day window during which you can do the form less the $200 and you're good. I'm waiting for someone who went ahead and SBR'd their gun to file & ask for their money back. Also, this now screws some folks whose state allows a pistol but doesn't allow SBR's. Their own reasoning is a kluge and sounds like something Joy Reid would think up. Once the date comes, I expect it will be headed through the courts. They don't have a record of doing well when using their own reasoning as their entire case.

[bubba]

Near as I can tell, the “sentient” law-fare experts on the commie side are fully aware of what Bruen (as the final nail in the coffin of Miller, Heller, McDonald, Brown v Board of Education, Miranda, Dred-Scott, not to mention the ability to read the English language) has done to “gun control”.

The true purpose of the tyrants is putting up as many roadblocks as they can in the shortest amount of time with hopes of maintaining the NFA in some form. Part of their strategy is to use PSYOPS and information warfare on the moronic masses of drones. I don’t think the useful idiots in the media are capable of coherent thought and just parrot the talking points of the commies, and if taken as it’s written, the below statement is exactly what they are publishing only scarier.

“The LAST thing the oppressors want is people like us training like-minded civilians how to conduct L-shaped Ambushes with enfilading fires or FPL’s on their defensive perimeters utilizing Belt-Fed, Air-Cooled, General-Purpose Machine-Guns. That, and that alone, is what the oppressors are trying to stop.”

This flurry of laws that are patently against the USC feels like someone throwing smoke and frag grenades while doing the Aussie Peel….. The only thing is, with a 6-3 majority of TRPs and Airstrikes from over half the county’s Gun-Rights lawyers and groups, I am hopeful that we an pin these commies down and have the reckoning they deserve…..

But, Hope is not a COA, so support your local GOA and keep your powder dry.

It’s time to start saying the quiet part out loud. It’s time to say what we mean. If necessary, civil disobedience of masses of Armed Citizens in locations with “banned guns” (assault rifles with 30rd mags). This tactic will display just how powerless these tyrants are. The cops ain’t got enough jails….. think Selma Alabama…..

[Paslode]

So they're contemplating a 120-day window during which you can do the form less the $200 and you're good. I'm waiting for someone who went ahead and SBR'd their gun to file & ask for their money back. Also, this now screws some folks whose state allows a pistol but doesn't allow SBR's. Their own reasoning is a kluge and sounds like something Joy Reid would think up. Once the date comes, I expect it will be headed through the courts. They don't have a record of doing well when using their own reasoning as their entire case.

From what I read it's a 120 day window and your good so long as our friends determine your braced pistol was purchased or built prior to the official notice. Keep a copy of your submission because our friends will be overwhelmed by the influx of submissions.

This will be interesting to watch.

[Badger52]

The LAST thing the oppressors want is people like us training like-minded civilians how to conduct L-shaped Ambushes with enfilading fires or FPL’s on their defensive perimeters utilizing Belt-Fed, Air-Cooled, General-Purpose Machine-Guns. That, and that alone, is what the oppressors are trying to stop.
You are correct in that. They're largely physical cowards and this thought makes them quake.

[Box]

I would respectfully recommend that people reconsider their opinions that oppressors are weak and cowardly.

Oppressors have successfully stormed, captured, and HELD a large portion of a west coast American city. The media championed their cause, and politicians literally kneeled in support of their movement.

These weak cowards have a record of burning an entire complex belonging to a religious cult to the ground, killing women and children simply because they didn't want to arrest the cult leader while he was on one of his routine unarmed unguarded walks through the local town.

These weak cowards have made such a habit of storming the wrong house and killing an occupant, needlessly killing dogs, or simply demonstrating a willingness to violently abuse their power to a degree that the internet is flooded with HILARIOUS memes that show these "weak cowards" storming the wrong houses, shooting the wrong people, shooting pets, and violently abusing their power...
...without consequence

These weak coward people keep referring to had no problem letting a highly trained sniper from the most elite law enforcement unit in the country go unpunished after shooting and killing an unarmed woman that was holding her 10-month-old infant.

These weak cowards have no problem lathering up a crowd and telling them "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere"
...without consequence

These weak and cowardly people had no problem standing up to a young man armed with an AR-15 even though all they had were frozen water bottles, soup cans, and a mother fucking skateboard.

Don't be fooled; the people you speak of are neither weak nor cowardly. They are bold and unafraid. They are ambitious and motivated.
...and they hate your fucking guts.

[MR2]

Box is 100% correct. :lifter

Underestimate the enemy at your peril.

[GratefulCitizen]

Not sure that those who would oppress are particularly competent or brave.
But, they are dangerous.

Those at the top of that hierarchy do know how to whip their subordinate members into a frenzy (as happens with all groups driven by emotion…).
Those at the top also seem to view their subordinate members as interchangeable pawns without free will (as happens with many persons who reach such positions of power).

The big problem for those power-hungry psychopaths is all these pesky individuals who seem to think they should be able to exercise free will, choose their own priorities, and not give arbitrary submission to their betters.
Unfortunately, such power-hungry psychopaths can be found on either side of the current binary political choice.

Promoting gun control has been, on average, a political loser for decades.
So why do they keep doing it?

They are true believers in their own divine right to rule.
They mean to rule, not serve, the public.

Gun control, along with many other political positions, isn’t necessarily a political battle plan.
It’s just a natural manifestation of their psychological makeup.


“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority.
It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.

There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern.
They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

-Daniel Webster

[GratefulCitizen]

Federal public defenders file amicus brief in case dealing with whether felons should lose 2nd Amendment rights.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicyfoundation/pages/3970/attachments/original/1673643339/Range_v_Garland_Public_Defender_Amicus.pdf?1673643 339

[Badger52]

I would respectfully recommend that people reconsider their opinions that oppressors are weak and cowardly.
Respectfully, I read what you wrote and appreciate it. I was differentiating between the cowards and the minions they send to do their bidding. The fear in the one drives their actions.

[bubba]

And then there’s this:

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/01/09/wyoming-man-sues-for-right-to-make-his-own-m16-machine-gun/

Does anyone know a good lawyer to put this kid in contact with?

[bblhead672]

So they're contemplating a 120-day window during which you can do the form less the $200 and you're good. I'm waiting for someone who went ahead and SBR'd their gun to file & ask for their money back. Also, this now screws some folks whose state allows a pistol but doesn't allow SBR's. Their own reasoning is a kluge and sounds like something Joy Reid would think up. Once the date comes, I expect it will be headed through the courts. They don't have a record of doing well when using their own reasoning as their entire case.

Something else about the $200 "tax stamp" that the ATF says you don't have to pay during the 120 day registration period...the ATF lacks the Constitutional authority to waive any taxes, since that lies solely with the Legislature. So what the ATF has said is that the $200 isn't being waived, they just aren't requiring you to pay it.
So, at some point, the ATF will probably say everyone who owes it will have to pay it or lose their tax stamp.

[bblhead672]

I would respectfully recommend that people reconsider their opinions that oppressors are weak and cowardly.

Oppressors have successfully stormed, captured, and HELD a large portion of a west coast American city. The media championed their cause, and politicians literally kneeled in support of their movement.

These weak cowards have a record of burning an entire complex belonging to a religious cult to the ground, killing women and children simply because they didn't want to arrest the cult leader while he was on one of his routine unarmed unguarded walks through the local town.

These weak cowards have made such a habit of storming the wrong house and killing an occupant, needlessly killing dogs, or simply demonstrating a willingness to violently abuse their power to a degree that the internet is flooded with HILARIOUS memes that show these "weak cowards" storming the wrong houses, shooting the wrong people, shooting pets, and violently abusing their power...
...without consequence

These weak coward people keep referring to had no problem letting a highly trained sniper from the most elite law enforcement unit in the country go unpunished after shooting and killing an unarmed woman that was holding her 10-month-old infant.

These weak cowards have no problem lathering up a crowd and telling them "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere"
...without consequence

These weak and cowardly people had no problem standing up to a young man armed with an AR-15 even though all they had were frozen water bottles, soup cans, and a mother fucking skateboard.

Don't be fooled; the people you speak of are neither weak nor cowardly. They are bold and unafraid. They are ambitious and motivated.
...and they hate your fucking guts.

100% correct...and they wish death anyone who doesn't kneel before them in submission.

[sg1987]

Nah…just re-education camps. :rolleyes:

[GratefulCitizen]

As of today, this thread has been going for ten years.
It’s been a great place to consolidate, reference, address, and disseminate information concerning the 2nd Amendment.

[Badger52]

As of today, this thread has been going for ten years.
It’s been a great place to consolidate, reference, address, and disseminate information concerning the 2nd Amendment.How about that? :cool: I remember the initial effort and those contributing to what I still refer to as "The Letter."

We've seen some progress via court cases or state actions in that 10 years, while those predisposed to do evil prove that they'll do it anyway. The good stuff, mostly fingers in the dike, doesn't happen as fast as the dripdripdrip of the POTUS' SPECAT revelations, but still should be appreciated when it occurs.

[Badger52]

Link at Breitbart here. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/01/30/rep-andrew-clyde-to-use-congressional-review-act-to-override-atf-stabilizer-brace-rule/)

Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-GA) announced Monday he will use the Congressional Review Act against the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives’ (ATF’s) pistol/stabilizer brace rule.

Breitbart News reported that the ATF’s pistol/stabilizer brace rule was finalized January 13, 2023, and that the agency is giving owners of pistols with said braces 120 days to register the firearms, once the rule appears in the Federal Registry.

On January 14, 2023, Breitbart News noted that the Congressional Review Act offered an avenue by which Congress could block the ATF’s rule.

Rep. Clyde and his colleagues are ready to use the Congressional Review Act and other means to stop the rule from turning millions of law-abiding gun owners into criminals.

Clyde spoke on the House floor Monday, saying:

Next week, I will reintroduce the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today Act, or the SHORT Act, to repeal elements of the National Firearms Act, thereby prohibiting the ATF from registering and banning pistols with stabilizing braces. Additionally, as soon as the ATF’s unlawful rule is published to the Federal Register, I will introduce a resolution of disapproval under the Congressional Review Act, to override the Biden administration’s unlawful overreach.

Gun owners, hear me loud and clear:

We’re fighting for you and your Second Amendment freedoms—and we will never give up. pic.twitter.com/0LfUslyEwM

— Rep. Andrew Clyde (@Rep_Clyde) January 30, 2023

The Brookings Institute summarizes the Congressional Review Act:

Passed as part of the Contract with America Advancement Act of 1996, the Congressional Review Act creates a streamlined procedure by which Congress can disapprove and thereby nullify regulations promulgated by various federal government agencies. The Congressional Review Act quires that all rules be reported to Congress. Upon receiving that report, Congress then has 60 legislative working days (which is generally a much longer period than 60 calendar days) to introduce a special joint resolution of disapproval of the rule.

That resolution can be discharged from committee and can avoid the Senate’s filibuster, thereby empowering Congress to contend with the administrative state’s vast rulemaking powers on something closer to an equal footing.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office explains the Congressional Review Act thusly: “The Congressional Review Act allows Congress to review ‘major’ rules issued by federal agencies before the rules take effect. Congress may also disapprove new rules, resulting in the rules having no force or effect.”

It would be nice if this F-Troop overreach were mitigated to save $$$ going to lawyers to take this stupidity to SCOTUS. They have plenty of other things to do.

[bblhead672]

Link at Breitbart here. (https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment/2023/01/30/rep-andrew-clyde-to-use-congressional-review-act-to-override-atf-stabilizer-brace-rule/)



It would be nice if this F-Troop overreach were mitigated to save $$$ going to lawyers to take this stupidity to SCOTUS. They have plenty of other things to do.

Rep. Clyde has work to do this morning. The publication of the final document in the federal registry is a done deal: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/01/31/2023-01001/Factoring Criteria for Firearms With Attached “Stabilizing Braces” (https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/01/31/2023-01001/factoring-criteria-for-firearms-with-attached-stabilizing-braces)

[Box]

'Abandon all hope ye who enter here' - there are more than enough virtuous republicans floating around that voted to ban guns back in the 90's to make sure that no RELEVANT gun control measures get turned back by the 118th congress. How much did they fix when the oval office, senate, and house were all controlled by republicans?
What landmark legislation did we see that benefited law abiding gun owners?
...just asking for a friend

- one thing is for sure, most of the republicans that have proven over and over again that they dont care about their voters are in a position to bully others into playing along as needed - just look at the omnibus corruption bill they just passed...

"for the children''

everything is for the children - its always for the children

[Badger52]

'"for the children''Whenever I read that there is such a sense of optimism...

[bblhead672]

“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. … Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” — Thomas Jefferson, “Commonplace Book,” quoting 18th-century criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1774-1776

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. … The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.” — Patrick Henry, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

There is only one reason people in power wish to disarm citizens. Control and power.

[Badger52]

There is only one reason people in power wish to disarm citizens. Control and power.
Meaning they want to do something to you for which you would otherwise shoot them.

[doctom54]

When the people are afraid of the government, that's tyranny. But when the government is afraid of the people, that's liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


True in the 1700's and still true today

[cbtengr]

Our founding fathers possessed a helluva lot more wisdom than any of today's politicians. Thanks to all who shared the above quotes.

[Badger52]

NJ carry law (post-Bruen) gets smacked temporarily; certainly her verbage and rationale seems solid to me.
9 minutes (including the presenter's requisite shilling for channel sponsor). The contention was over the broad list of restricted areas.

Here's the video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0EI8n-aQBM)

Drip, drip.

[bblhead672]

NJ carry law (post-Bruen) gets smacked temporarily; certainly her verbage and rationale seems solid to me.
9 minutes (including the presenter's requisite shilling for channel sponsor). The contention was over the broad list of restricted areas.

Here's the video. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0EI8n-aQBM)

Drip, drip.

With the compliance of the NRA, gun control advocates used incrementalism to get what is in place today. Rolling back incrementally will work, although I'd rather just have SCOTUS have to rule on the Constitutionality of the NFA and the subsequent powers given to the ATF to infringe upon the 2A.

[GratefulCitizen]

Pot smokers can possess firearms:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.okwd.118991/gov.uscourts.okwd.118991.36.0.pdf

The important part of this is the fact that the burden is on the government to produce an historical analog for any form of gun control.

[Paslode]

Pot smokers can possess firearms:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.okwd.118991/gov.uscourts.okwd.118991.36.0.pdf

The important part of this is the fact that the burden is on the government to produce an historical analog for any form of gun control.

Those who indulge in alcohol can legally own firearms, why not pot heads?

[bblhead672]

….’To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the law abiding gun owner that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless”……

Lysander Spooner

[bblhead672]

A Closer Look at the Pivotal Bruen Decision (https://survivalblog.com/2023/02/22/closer-look-pivotal-bruen-decision/)

I think there's some good analysis in this piece, worth reading.

The U.S. Supreme Court’s New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn., Inc. v. Bruen decision (issued June 23, 2022) was a pivotal ruling. Following up on the District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) and the McDonald v. City of Chicago (2010) decisions, Bruen reaffirmed private gun rights, quite solidly. Up until those three decisions, the Supreme Court had conspicuously ignored taking up any Second Amendment cases, for more than 50 years. But now, the highest court has made it quite clear that the right to keep and bear arms is nigh-on absolute.

I’ve mentioned the Bruen decision before in SurvivalBlog. But today, I’d like like to examine it more closely.

The majority opinion for Bruen was written by one of my heroes, Justice Clarence Thomas. He had previously lamented that the Second Amendment had been treated as “a disfavored right.” But in the 2022 decision, Justice Thomas set things write. He forthrightly wrote that the only gun regulations that can be deemed constitutional are ones that don’t infringe on conduct that is plainly covered by the text of the Second Amendment and that are “consistent with this Nation’s historical tradition.” This part of Bruen means that any gun law enacted at any level must have a demonstrable parallel in regulations that were in place at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights — meaning circa December, 1791. Thus, Bruen sets a very high bar for legislators to hurdle. If lawmakers cannot cite a similar law that existed after the War of Independence but before December, 1791, then any statute pertaining to arms of any description would be unconstitutional!

FIRING THE OTHER BARREL
Just days after the Bruen decision was handed down, the Supreme Court also issued a decision in the West Virginia v. EPA case. This case will have a profound effect on executive branch agency rulemaking. By reaffirming that only congress can make new federal laws, the Supreme Court has effectively tied the hands of the “alphabet soup” agencies (EPA, ATF, OSHA, MSA, HUD, DOE, et cetera) in issuing any major rules that amplify or supersede existing laws. Thus, the ATF’s recent absurd redefinition of “frame or receiver” and their repeated waffling on pistol arm braces will almost surely be ruled as executive branch overreach. (Arm-braced pistols didn’t somehow magically become “short-barreled rifles” just because a man from a different political party took office as president.)

Based on Bruen...the NFA and subsequent gun control laws are unconstitutional.
Based on WV vs EPA...the ATF can't be making up gun control rules as they see fit.
Too bad that both the NFA/GCA can't quickly be brought to SCOTUS for a ruling to strike them down based upon Bruen. As well as SCOTUS striking down the ATF's arbitrary rule making which creates law breakers.

[GratefulCitizen]

Brick by brick, gun control is being dismantled.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.204593/gov.uscourts.ca5.204593.154.1.pdf

From the decision:

“Doubtless, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society. Weighing those policy goals’ merits through the sort of means-end scrutiny our prior precedent indulged, we previously concluded that the societal benefits of § 922(g)(8) outweighed its burden on Rahimi’s Second Amendment rights. But Bruen forecloses any such analysis in favor of a historical analogical inquiry into the scope of the allowable burden on the Second Amendment right. Through that lens, we conclude that § 922(g)(8)’s ban on possession of firearms is an “outlier[] that our ancestors would never have accepted.” Id. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional, and Rahimi’s conviction under that statute must be vacated.”

[Badger52]

Brick by brick, gun control is being dismantled.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.ca5.204593/gov.uscourts.ca5.204593.154.1.pdf

From the decision:

“Doubtless, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society. Weighing those policy goals’ merits through the sort of means-end scrutiny our prior precedent indulged, we previously concluded that the societal benefits of § 922(g)(8) outweighed its burden on Rahimi’s Second Amendment rights. But Bruen forecloses any such analysis in favor of a historical analogical inquiry into the scope of the allowable burden on the Second Amendment right. Through that lens, we conclude that § 922(g)(8)’s ban on possession of firearms is an “outlier[] that our ancestors would never have accepted.” Id. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional, and Rahimi’s conviction under that statute must be vacated.”

Nice when it's made apparent and the subject of the review isn't the most stellar dipstick on the planet.



The Second Amendment is not “a second-class right.” Bruen, 142 S.
Ct. at 2156. It is not “subject to an entirely different body of rules than the
other Bill of Rights guarantees.”

...

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) disarms individuals based on civil protective
orders—not criminal proceedings. As the court today explains, there is no
analogous historical tradition sufficient to support § 922(g)(8) under Bruen.

[Box]

I have no faith in government doing the right thing when it comes to sincerely securing the rights, freedoms, and liberties of American citizens

while the courts are doing on thing - the administration will surely continue to try and undermine the constitution by trying to make gun control a United Nations Treaty issue that the current puppets will glad sign the USA up as signatories to some half assed "anti-gun" global security peace and butterflies treaty

...of course, that could NEVER happen in todays political landscape now - could it

[GratefulCitizen]

New Jersey throws a temper tantrum and irritates judge.

This guy sums it up well.
There’s a link to the entire docket in the video description.

https://youtu.be/ljYtl-SuV1I

[Badger52]

New Jersey throws a temper tantrum and irritates judge.

This guy sums it up well.
There’s a link to the entire docket in the video description.

https://youtu.be/ljYtl-SuV1IIndeed he's very good at explaining stuff. Sort of like facing a very long equation and finally someone comes along to indicate where the parens & brackets go.

Thanks for that on a hump day preceding more inbound snow. She (the Judge) sounds like she be "big mad." lmfao. I love it when these self-righteous little pissants do that. More angels got their wings.
:cool:

[Paslode]

Not at all surprised that the Feds have been tracking firearms purchases and creating somewhat of a registry.

EXCLUSIVE: ATF Gains Financial Information on Potential Gun Buyers for Warrantless Tracking, Documents Show
(https://www.theepochtimes.com/atf-gains-financial-information-on-potential-gun-buyers-for-warrantless-tracking-documents-show_5119085.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge&src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge)

[Badger52]

Not at all surprised that the Feds have been tracking firearms purchases and creating somewhat of a registry.
They'll call that normal investigative work. What's interesting to me as documents from 6 January 2021 become available, is the subpoena to Bank America (and others) of CC records for anyone in the area that day that's popped up to interest the FBI. Most alarming are allegations of VOLUNTARY extra-credit homework by BoA to collate that info and do a further dive into whether any of those accounts had made firearm purchases in the past year. It seems BoA and some others continue to run Opn CHOKE POINT even though it's supposedly been officially terminated.

[Box]

The 4th Amendment to the Bill of Privileges does not mean you are free from illegal intrusion into your personal affairs by corrupt government agencies.
...get used to it.




"pR1VACy"

[GratefulCitizen]

California’s UHA enjoined.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747.60.0_1.pdf

[Badger52]

California’s UHA enjoined.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747/gov.uscourts.cacd.858747.60.0_1.pdfHuzzah!

[Box]

A preliminary injunction is cute - but Kawlefornya says "fuck your injunction - AND your rights"

good start - but I have no trust in government to faithfully return infringed rights to the common citizen
...selected elitists; absolutely. They must be allowed to protect themselves from the unwashed masses.

The peasantry?
Fuck 'em - let them eat cake.

[(1VB)compforce]

This just dropped. Going to watch it after work. I thought most of you might be interested.

House Judiciary Subcommittee and House Oversight Subcommittee Hearing on the ATF attack on the Second Amendment. Braces, registry, FFL revocations, ghosts, tracking and overreach are the topics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVP6-gK3ziY

This link is the actual hearing, not edited or commentary.

[bubba]

This just dropped. Going to watch it after work. I thought most of you might be interested.

House Judiciary Subcommittee and House Oversight Subcommittee Hearing on the ATF attack on the Second Amendment. Braces, registry, FFL revocations, ghosts, tracking and overreach are the topics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVP6-gK3ziY

This link is the actual hearing, not edited or commentary.

I watched this verbal masturbation this afternoon and was wondering if someone should point out the the “committee” that “gun-control” started out with “Jim-Crowe laws” to keep “Freed Slaves” from “protecting themselves” in the “ghettos”……. Maybe, just maybe, if the re-pud-lik-can’ts would point out to the lefty commie racist ass-hats that “gun control” IS Racist the arguments could start to go our way……

Back to watching videos of some guy on a bulldozer busting beaver dams in Canada….

[GratefulCitizen]

Utah law prohibits state officials from enforcing certain federal gun regulations.
Their governor signed it on March 21.

https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/HB0219.html

[GratefulCitizen]

Restrictions on 2nd Amendment rights for those aged 18-20 found unconstitutional.

https://gunownersmn.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/litigation-worth/84+summary+judgment+opinion.pdf

[Badger52]

Restrictions on 2nd Amendment rights for those aged 18-20 found unconstitutional.

https://gunownersmn.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/litigation-worth/84+summary+judgment+opinion.pdfCool; just read that. :cool:

[JimP]

Grateful Citizen/Badger - Texas did the same a while back. I need to get little girl trained up and get her permit for concealed carry. They don't advertise it and I do not know of anyone who has yet successfully done it but we're going to try. That is....if I can get her to sit still long enough........between school, work, boyfriend, etc. we don't see her much.

Her twin, Little Man....??? Yeah....., that's a whole different story.

[Badger52]

Grateful Citizen/Badger - Texas did the same a while back. I need to get little girl trained up and get her permit for concealed carry. They don't advertise it and I do not know of anyone who has yet successfully done it but we're going to try. That is....if I can get her to sit still long enough........between school, work, boyfriend, etc. we don't see her much.

Her twin, Little Man....??? Yeah....., that's a whole different story.Ahh...So you have a UW challenge on your hands?
"Darlin' just for today, can we agree..."
I'm certain you're up to it. :D

[GratefulCitizen]

These articles are presented with a spirit of frustration and despair.
They give me hope and joy!
:D

https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-16/trump-nra-might-be-right-guns-violence-not-newsom


Out of curiosity, is there a subject matter expert out there who could explain to me what exactly is a “double-pump shotgun with an extended clip”?

[bubba]

These articles are presented with a spirit of frustration and despair.
They give me hope and joy!
:D

https://newrepublic.com/article/171784/grim-truth-war-guns-lost
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-16/trump-nra-might-be-right-guns-violence-not-newsom


Out of curiosity, is there a subject matter expert out there who could explain to me what exactly is a “double-pump shotgun with an extended clip”?

These articles written by tyrannical lefties makes things crystal clear:

1- They KNOW what they are doing is objectively wrong.

2- They know that what they want to do is put their boots on the throats of those who oppose them.

3- Most importantly, they know, no matter how much “propaganda spaghetti” they throw at the televised wall, they have ZERO chance of having a winning argument stick.

The guys who kicked the hell out of the most powerful country on the planet with a little help from France knew that an armed society was a free society.

Happy early 19 April everyone…… yeah….. that whole “Lexington & Concord thing” was started over………. GUN CONTROL!!!

[tom kelly]

The Radical Left uses the dog whistle phrase "GUN VIOLENCE" whenever it fits their narrative....The quest for total power can only be achieved if and when they disarm all lawful armed people....same as Canada & other communist/socialist countries. The left has a partner in the MSM to help them spread fear about "MASS SHOOTINGS" every time someone is shot and killed. I don't believe the current administration and the inep and corrupt DOJ,CIA, DOD + the other government Agencies will ever stop trying to get everyones firearms.....

[GratefulCitizen]

3- Most importantly, they know, no matter how much “propaganda spaghetti” they throw at the televised wall, they have ZERO chance of having a winning argument stick.


They also have the realization that the pro-gun side has the means to enforce their arguments.
Speak softly, carry a big stick.

Hmmm…maybe a a good term for a firearm would be: an “argument stick”.
We have more “argument sticks” than they do.
:D

[Badger52]

The language of the enemy morphs. "Gun control" is so yesterday. The fax machine went 'brrrrr' some weeks ago and it's now "gun reform."

Happy Patriot Day!
:cool:

[Box]

It's called "common sense" gun reform...
...and its for the children.
It's ALWAYS for the children.

[bblhead672]

Happy Patriots Day!

Battles of Lexington and Concord (https://www.history.com/topics/american-revolution/battles-of-lexington-and-concord)
The Battles of Lexington and Concord, fought on April 19, 1775, kicked off the American Revolutionary War (1775-83). Tensions had been building for many years between residents of the 13 American colonies and the British authorities, particularly in Massachusetts. On the night of April 18, 1775, hundreds of British troops marched from Boston to nearby Concord in order to seize an arms cache.

Never give up your weapons. Freedom from tyranny depends upon the right to keep and bear arms. The patriots in 1775 knew that.

[GratefulCitizen]

Bump stock ban found to be unconstitutional.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/23a0086p-06.pdf

[Badger52]

Bump stock ban found to be unconstitutional.

https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/23a0086p-06.pdfAs Congress gets ready to hear testimony on the brace rule, cases on that are wending their way through the courts as well. I'm at slightly better than 50:50 that the tide is turning to slap down the notion of arbitrary rule-making by agencies outside legislation. (Thank you West Virginia v. EPA)

[sinjefe]

"Anyone who actually understands the issue knows: It’s the guns, stupid." and "Short of a national divorce, there is nothing that can be done at this point." - Brynn Tannehill is a Naval Academy graduate, former naval aviator, author, and senior defense analyst. She currently lives in Northern Virginia with her wife and three children.

They can't be reasoned with. And don't get me started on the LA Times article. Full of logical fallacies. You'd think they teach that in journalism school, but I guess not.

[bubba]

"Anyone who actually understands the issue knows: It’s the guns, stupid." and "Short of a national divorce, there is nothing that can be done at this point." - Brynn Tannehill is a Naval Academy graduate, former naval aviator, author, and senior defense analyst. She currently lives in Northern Virginia with her wife and three children.

They can't be reasoned with. And don't get me started on the LA Times article. Full of logical fallacies. You'd think they teach that in journalism school, but I guess not.

“She currently lives in Virginia with her wife…..”

That alone lets me know that she has no idea what a divorce actually would look like if the Meat-Eating, Gun-Owning, God Fearing Men of this country decided to kick her gay ass out of the house. I almost welcome the thought of her ilk trying something….. LOL