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BMT (RIP)
01-28-2013, 10:36
Ok RL and Jim P jump in and give us your thoughts!!!

LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CATALOG RECORD: LINK: http://lccn.loc.gov/96190993


DICK ACT of 1902
Protection Against Tyrannical Government


CAN NOT BE REPEALED (GUN CONTROL FORBIDDEN) The Trump Card Enacted by the Congress Further Asserting the Second Amendment as Untouchable. The Dick Act of 1902 also known as the Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, of June 28, 1902 invalidates all so-called gun-control laws. It also divides the militia into three distinct and separate entities.


The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy. The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders. The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard. Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, the Organized Militia (the National Guard) cannot be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States.


The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached. During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.


The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold .Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States.


In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it.


This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power.


The Honorable William Gordon More Info With over 300 Million guns in the United States, the federal CORPORATE government (federal gov't defined as corporation under 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (15) and the states are subdivisions of the corporation, 28 U.S.C. Section 3002 (10), cannot ban arms or stop people from defending themselves against a tyrannical government. I read somewhere that just the State of North Carolina can call up 20-30 divisions of unorganized militia (would be about 200,000-300,000 armed North Carolinians) on a moment's notice.


Imagine the State of Texas or Oklahoma if that's the case? Amazingly, even if the US tries to ban all arms through backdoor measures like domestic violence laws (Violence Against Women Act, 18 U.S.C. Section 922 (g)) or through an unconstitutional U.N. declaration adopted by our current Marxist unconstitutional Congress, no treaty can supersede the Constitution: "This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty." - Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg. 17. This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution?


Keep reading. The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that, "... No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, "This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land..."


There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result..."It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power UNDER an international agreement, without observing constitutional prohibitions. (See: Elliot’s Debates 1836 ed. pgs. 500-519)."In effect, such construction would permit amendment of that document in a manner not sanctioned by Article V.


The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and Senate combined. Did you understand what the Supreme Court said here? No Executive Order, Presidential Directive, Executive Agreement, no NAFTA, GATT/WTO agreement/treaty, passed by ANYONE, can supersede the Constitution. FACT. No question!


At this point the Court paused to quote from another of their Opinions; 7Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258 at pg. 267 where the Court held at that time that, "The treaty power as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the government, or a change in the character of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter without its consent."



Assessing the GATT/WTO parasitic organism in light of this part of the Opinion, we see that it cannot attach itself to its host (our Republic or States) in the fashion the traitors in our government wish, without our acquiescing to it. The Reid Court continues with its Opinion: “This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which MUST comply with the Constitution, is on full parity with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict, renders the treaty null. It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument."

Streck-Fu
01-28-2013, 10:45
I'm not finding much support for the assertion of personal arms but did find this as it applies to managing the State Guards. LINK (http://www.history.army.mil/documents/1901/Root-NG.htm)

mark46th
01-28-2013, 11:02
Seems clear to me.

"The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy."

Streck-Fu
01-28-2013, 11:09
I am still searching online but THOMAS only lists one HR 11654 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d094:H.R.11654:)

H.R.11654
Latest Title: A bill to amend the Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949 to prohibit expenditures for intelligence gathering by clergymen.
Sponsor: Rep Ottinger, Richard L. [NY-24] (introduced 2/3/1976) Cosponsors (None)
Latest Major Action: 2/3/1976 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to House Committee on Armed Services.

tonyz
01-28-2013, 11:24
FWIW, one acknowledged expert's observations.

http://www.volokh.com/2013/01/25/the-dick-act-and-gun-control/

The Dick Act and Gun Control

David Kopel • January 25, 2013 4:56 pm

The first federal statutes governing the Militia of the United States were enacted in 1792. There were some revisions in 1795. During the Civil War, an amendment removed the language that had restricted federal militia membership to free whites.

The old militia statutes were repealed and replaced by the Militia Act of 1903, 32 Stat. 775, commonly known as the ‘‘Dick Act’’ for its sponsor Representative Charles W.F. Dick, a Major General in the Ohio National Guard.

The Dick Act gave formal federal recognition—and financial support—to the National Guard, which had begun as a volunteer state-based civic organization after the Civil War. According to the Dick Act, the ‘‘organized militia’’ of the United States is the National Guard, plus Naval Militias maintained by some states. 10 U.S.C. §311(b)(1).

The Dick Act also defines the ‘‘unorganized militia.’’ The unorganized militia is all able-bodied men between 17 and 44 years of age who are United States citizens (or ‘‘have made a declaration of intention to become citizens’’), and who do not belong to the organized militia. 10 U.S.C. §311(a), (b)(2).

They are subject to call-up by the federal government in order to ‘‘execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections [or] repel Invasions,’’ under the Constitution’s Militia Clauses. (Clause 15 of Article I, sect. 8 is the “Calling Forth” clause. Clause 16 grants Congress the power to organize, arm, and discipline the militia.)

The best book on the early history of the National Guard, including the Dick Act, is Jerry M. Cooper, The Rise of the National Guard: The Evolution of the American Militia, 1865-1920 (2002). During the late 19th and early 20th century, the National Guard and the National Rifle Association were very closely intertwined.

The Dick Act has long been a part of the Second Amendment debate in the United States, since the Act plainly shows that Militia is not solely the National Guard.

These days, however, a ridiculous email is being circulated, which claims that the Dick Act absolutely prohibits any form of gun control for men 17-44. Further, the email asserts, preposterously, that the Dick Act is unrepealable, because repeal would violate the Bill of Attainder and Ex Post Facto clauses. David Hardy deconstructs this email over at his excellent blog, Of Arms and the Law. Hardy’s blog is mandatory reading for anyone with a serious interest in firearms law and policy.

Grotesquely wrong emails such as this are, objectively speaking, helpful to gun prohibitionists. To the extent that pro-rights activists mistakenly rely on the email, and use it as the basis for arguments that they send to elected officials in opposition to proposed anti-gun laws, the activists are wasting their time with arguments that are plainly incorrect, and therefore will not be persuasive to elected officials. Further, some readers who fall for this email hoax may imagine themselves immune from vast array of repressive laws which are being pushed in Congress and the state legislatures, some which have already been enacted in New York. As a result, these readers may sit on the sidelines politically, failing to get involved at a time when citizen activism is essential.

Richard
01-28-2013, 11:26
The Militia Act of 1903 (the name cited is incorrect), dealt with the structure of the National Guard. It did not invalidate gun-control laws.

The Act is just legislation and not a constitutional amendment. In the federal government, legislation cannot forbid other legislation in the future. If a law is passed today that contradicts a law passed years ago, then the new law prevails. Only a constitutional amendment -- or a Supreme Court opinion interpreting the existing text of the Constitution -- could bar particular types of future legislation.

Federal legislation does trump contrary state laws, so if Congress and the President ever forbid gun-control laws at the state level then those laws would have to yield - unless such a federal law would be declared unconstitutional, of course.

Here is an article summarizing the Act by the Army's Acting Asst AG at the time that was published in 1903 and is interesting to review.

The Militia Act of 1903
LTC James Parker, USA, Acting Asst AG, The North American Review, Aug 1903

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25119439?seq=1

This article on the evolving militia/National Guard roles and laws from the US Army's Center for Military History, which discusses the Militia Act of 1903 and its amending in 1908, as well as the National Defense Act of 1916, is also worth reading.

THE ROOT REFORMS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD
Wm Donnelly, CMH

http://www.history.army.mil/documents/1901/Root-NG.htm

Richard :munchin

medic&commo
01-28-2013, 11:31
Deleted. Question answered while posting.

afchic
01-28-2013, 12:04
The Militia Act of 1903 (the name cited is incorrect), dealt with the structure of the National Guard. It did not invalidate gun-control laws.

The Act is just legislation and not a constitutional amendment. In the federal government, legislation cannot forbid other legislation in the future. If a law is passed today that contradicts a law passed years ago, then the new law prevails. Only a constitutional amendment -- or a Supreme Court opinion interpreting the existing text of the Constitution -- could bar particular types of future legislation.

Federal legislation does trump contrary state laws, so if Congress and the President ever forbid gun-control laws at the state level then those laws would have to yield - unless such a federal law would be declared unconstitutional, of course.

Here is an article summarizing the Act by the Army's Acting Asst AG at the time that was published in 1903 and is interesting to review.

The Militia Act of 1903
LTC James Parker, USA, Acting Asst AG, The North American Review, Aug 1903

http://www.jstor.org/stable/25119439?seq=1

This article on the evolving militia/National Guard roles and laws from the US Army's Center for Military History, which discusses the Militia Act of 1903 and its amending in 1908, as well as the National Defense Act of 1916, is also worth reading.

THE ROOT REFORMS AND THE NATIONAL GUARD
Wm Donnelly, CMH

http://www.history.army.mil/documents/1901/Root-NG.htm

Richard :munchin

Thanks the Lord. I have to admit I snickered when I first read the title. :p

glebo
01-28-2013, 12:51
Thanks the Lord. I have to admit I snickered when I first read the title. :p

Aaaand you clicked on this thread..hoping to see.....???? :D:D

afchic
01-28-2013, 14:03
Aaaand you clicked on this thread..hoping to see.....???? :D:D

I'll never tell:D

glebo
01-28-2013, 14:25
I'll never tell:D

haaa. We know good girls wouldn't think of it....;)

mark46th
01-28-2013, 17:50
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get to go everywhere...

glebo
01-28-2013, 18:05
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get to go everywhere...

haaa, aint dat da troof....LOL

Well, as far as staying somewhat on topic....this act won't mean anything to this admin....the Constitution doesnt...so why would they think this has merit????

A "make the rules" as ya go administration, this one is....(yoda??)

the squid
01-30-2013, 08:49
-- could bar particular types of future legislation.

Federal legislation does trump contrary state laws, so if Congress and the President ever forbid gun-control laws at the state level then those laws would have to yield - unless such a federal law would be declared unconstitutional, of course.
[COLOR="Lime"]Richard :munchin

Which they do so under the guise of the commerce clause, which has been historically used to validate federal laws which would otherwise infringe on the reserved powers clause of the second ammendment.

Interestingly enough, this was also how the government argued for the constitutionality of Obamacare, which the Supreme Court then later said that the law could only be enforced through their taxation powers.

So it goes.

Pericles
02-01-2013, 15:32
One of the more interesting aspects of this is that the National Guard was created under the power of Congress to raise and support armies, not the power to arm and organize the militia. This was done to avoid the constitutional restrictions on the use of the militia.

Gypsy
02-01-2013, 18:48
Thanks the Lord. I have to admit I snickered when I first read the title. :p

Makes two of us. :D

Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get to go everywhere...

First phrase on the front of the teeshirt, second phrase on the back side. :p

MR2
02-01-2013, 18:55
Look Mom, I'm a Rhinoceros

glebo
02-02-2013, 06:26
Look Mom, I'm a Rhinoceros

Bwaaahaaahhaaa....bwaaahaaahaaa...

That's a good one...