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kgoerz
01-17-2013, 17:12
ok, who did it

Two Americans escaped unharmed Thursday from a hostage standoff with an Al Qaeda-linked group as Algeria's state news agency reports special forces have completed a rescue operation to free the remaining foreign hostages, but casualties have been reported.
Algerian state television said that four captives, two Britons and two Filipinos have died. But the militants said at least 35 hostages had died in the state's rescue attempt. There was no way to independently verify the toll in the remote location, 800 miles from Algiers.
The two Americans who managed to escape the Ain Amenas gas plant where they were being held are en route to London.
A senior U.S. official tells Fox News that at least one unarmed U.S. drone is patrolling the Ain Amenas gas plant to provide intelligence on the situation. At least 20 gunmen attacked and took over the vast complex early Wednesday, reportedly in retaliation for France's military intervention against Al Qaeda-linked rebels in neighboring Mali, though Fox News sources say the attack may have been planned much earlier.
The reports of high casualties have deeply disturbed foreign governments, prompting a number to criticize Algeria's operation. Britain's Foreign Office attempted to prepare the British public by saying, "We should be under no illusion that there will be some bad and distressing news to follow from this terrorist attack."
Oil prices rose $1.08 on the news to $95.32 on the New York Mercantile Exchange and prompted energy companies like BP PLC and Spain's Compania Espanola de Petroleos SA to try to relocate energy workers at other Algerian plants.
The Algerian government said it was forced to intervene due to the militants' stubbornness and their desire to escape with the hostages.
"An important number of hostages were freed and an important number of terrorists were eliminated, and we regret the few dead and wounded," Algerian Communications Minister Mohand Said Oubelaid told national media, adding that the "terrorists are multinational," coming from several different countries with the goal of "destabilizing Algeria, embroiling it in the Mali conflict and damaging its natural gas infrastructure."
Islamists from the Masked Brigade, a Mali-based Al Qaeda offshoot, who have been speaking through a Mauritanian news outlet, said Algerian helicopters opened fire as the militants tried to leave the vast energy complex with their hostages. They claimed that 35 hostages and 15 militants died in the attack and only seven hostages survived.
Algeria's official news service, meanwhile, earlier claimed that 600 local workers were freed in the raid and half of the foreigners being held were rescued. Many of those locals were reportedly released on Wednesday, however, by the militants themselves.
One Irish hostage was confirmed safe: supervising electrician Stephen McFaul, whose mother said he would not be returning to Algeria.
"He phoned me at 9 o'clock to say Al Qaeda were holding him, kidnapped, and to contact the Irish government, for they wanted publicity. Nightmare, so it was. Never want to do it again. He'll not be back! He'll take a job here in Belfast like the rest of us," said his mother, Marie.
Dylan, McFaul's 13-year-old son, started crying as he talked to Ulster Television. "I feel over the moon, just really excited. I just can't wait for him to get home," he said.
In Washington, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the Obama administration was "concerned about reports of loss of life and are seeking clarity from the government of Algeria."
Jean-Christophe Gray, a spokesman for British Prime Minister David Cameron, said Britain was not informed in advance of the raid but described the situation as "very grave and serious." French President Francois Hollande called it a "dramatic" situation involving dozens of hostages.
Algerian forces who had ringed the Ain Amenas complex in a tense standoff had vowed not to negotiate with the kidnappers, who reportedly were seeking safe passage. Security experts said the end of the two-day standoff was in keeping with the North African country's tough approach to terrorism.
"I would not be surprised if the death toll was has high as the militants put it, it's a well-known fact that the Algerians never had problems causing a blood bath to respond to terrorist attacks," said Riccardo Fabiani, North Africa analyst for the Eurasia group, who expressed doubt over Algeria's claims that mediation was abandoned in the face of the kidnappers' intransigence. "I wonder whether really in 24 hours you can establish some kind of negotiations with terrorists, I don't think they really tried."
The kidnapping is one of the largest ever attempted by a militant group in North Africa. The militants phoned a Mauritanian news outlet to demand that France end its intervention in neighboring Mali to ensure the safety of the hostages in the isolated plant, located 800 miles south of the capital of Algiers.
Phone contacts with the militants were severed as government forces closed in, according to the Mauritanian agency, which often carries reports from Al Qaeda-linked extremist groups in North Africa.
A 58-year-old Norwegian engineer who made it to the safety of a nearby Algerian military camp told his wife how militants attacked a bus Wednesday before being fended off by a military escort.
"Bullets were flying over their heads as they hid on the floor of the bus," Vigdis Sletten told The Associated Press in a phone interview from her home in Bokn, on Norway's west coast.
Her husband and the other bus passengers climbed out of a window and were transported to a nearby military camp, she said.
"He is among the lucky ones, and he has confirmed he is not injured," she said, declining to give his name for security reasons.
It was then that the militants went after the living quarters of the plant instead of disappearing back into the desert.
A spokesman for the Masked Brigade told the Nouakchott Information Agency in Mauritania that the seven surviving hostages included three Belgians, two Americans, a Briton and a Japanese citizen.
The Norwegian energy company Statoil had said three Algerian employees who had been held hostage were safe but the fate of nine Norwegian workers was unclear. Japanese media reported at least 3 Japanese citizens among the hostages and Malaysia confirmed two.
Algerian Interior Minister Daho Ould Kabila said the roughly 20 well-armed gunmen operating under orders from Moktar Belmoktar, Al Qaeda's strongman in the Sahara, who is now based in Mali


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/17/us-france-reportedly-in-talks-with-algeria-over-hostage-standoff/#ixzz2IHGKUv3T

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/01/17/us-france-reportedly-in-talks-with-algeria-over-hostage-standoff/

Dusty
01-17-2013, 17:33
Who did the rescue? Looks like the work of the Algerian Ninjas.

Utah Bob
01-17-2013, 17:58
Who did the rescue? Looks like the work of the Algerian Ninjas.

Ninjas with tanks.:rolleyes:

2018commo
01-17-2013, 18:57
Starting a hostage rescue with a gun run from a helicopter, priceless...

Team Sergeant
01-18-2013, 10:30
Yea, a arc light mission from B-52's would have been more effective, why start with a helo attack


In their defense the media sucks for accuracy and the Son Tay raid started with door gunners taking out gun towers if my memory serves me right.

A surgical strike (door gunners from a US helicopter) is a far cry from shooting at buildings that might have hostages inside.

Your analogy sucks.

Dusty
01-18-2013, 12:36
Seems to me somebody said the Ninjas were sorta trigger-happy.

mark46th
01-18-2013, 13:20
Latest I heard is that it was Algerian special forces who refused assistance from the U.S.

Dusty
01-18-2013, 13:30
Latest I heard is that it was Algerian special forces who refused assistance from the U.S.

That's the Ninjas. They wear black full-faced masks.

Cobwebs
01-18-2013, 15:26
I heard they ordered them from Spielberg. He gets first rights to the movie now. :munchinThat's the Ninjas. They wear black full-faced masks.

Dusty
01-18-2013, 15:43
I heard they ordered them from Spielberg. He gets first rights to the movie now. :munchin

Made my day. :D:D

alelks
01-18-2013, 15:47
Well if Obama wasn't on a talk show at the time or holding another press conference it may have been him.

I'm just sayin! :D

Stiletto11
01-18-2013, 19:34
They straffed the convoy so the horses would be spared.

Max_Tab
01-19-2013, 02:01
Starting a hostage rescue with a gun run from a helicopter, priceless...

Well according to the manual's you always start every HR with the most casualty producing weapon......oh wait that might be an ambush...never mind. :D

Box
01-19-2013, 09:22
No matter what the story, I wont believe it.
There is a leadership credibility problem and a media "truth in reporting" credibility problem.

If I saw video of Santa Claus himself flying in on Rudolf and knocking off terrorists with a candy-cane gun; it wouldn't matter. I would just assume that the current administration had already sold the movie rights to hollywood and decided to release a 'dramatization' instead of live footage.

Hell, they sold their souls on the binladen raid and no sooner did 0-dark-30 come out, some dolt had to release a "warning" that the video might incite violence.

Pimps and whores... and I have no interest, no respect.

The only reason to even read the news on the internet anymore is because jerking off to porn takes too much energy.

In short:

"meh"

Utah Bob
01-21-2013, 00:24
Well according to the manual's you always start every HR with the most casualty producing weapon......oh wait that might be an ambush...never mind. :D

Ambush, rescue, armaggedon...all the same in the Algierian SF ops manual. :rolleyes:

Tuukka
01-21-2013, 06:26
Ambush, rescue, armaggedon...all the same in the Algierian SF ops manual. :rolleyes:

If I am not mistaken the more senior guys there got training from the Russians / Soviets?

So...a helo gun or 14.5 mm KPV from a BTR...makes sense :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ7c91b758

mark46th
01-21-2013, 09:56
"The only reason to even read the news on the internet anymore is because jerking off to porn takes too much energy." Billy L-bach

Quote of they week! :D:D

Stiletto11
01-21-2013, 15:12
Roger.

Utah Bob
01-23-2013, 16:03
If I am not mistaken the more senior guys there got training from the Russians / Soviets?

So...a helo gun or 14.5 mm KPV from a BTR...makes sense :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrQ7c91b758

And they did that theater rescue in Moscow so well.:rolleyes:

Stiletto11
01-23-2013, 18:50
I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?

afchic
01-23-2013, 21:32
I heard today that the US didn't want to press the issue with US support because the Algerian government is new and it might face opposition from within and could lead to its demise. Huh?

No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

Survival7201
01-23-2013, 22:07
"We'll do a number 4.. We'll come in whoopin and hollerin and hollerin and whoopin ,,."

Borrowed from "Blazing Saddles"..

Seems reasonable...

Utah Bob
01-24-2013, 17:34
No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.

Well, actually I suppose we will know eventually. Some of us probably already do. ;)

afchic
01-24-2013, 18:25
True....but, we have significant experience in special ops and should have (diplomatically) pushed hard to assist them with the planning. We do have some good contactsand have trained a lot of their officers over the years. Maybe that was done and they just refused. Maybe we'll never know.

Well, actually I suppose we will know eventually. Some of us probably already do. ;)

I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.

I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

Stiletto11
01-24-2013, 19:56
No offense, but would we allow another country's Special Ops personnel to operate on our soil? Sovreignty is not just for the US.

None taken, however, there was US citizens being held and I thought it was a pretty lame excuse. Then again, we let a US ambassador get smoked; go figure.

Dusty
01-25-2013, 05:26
It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

It's too bad more people can't see this coming.

Utah Bob
01-25-2013, 16:12
I'm with you. I wish our help was accepted more regularly, but the world being what it is, this is probably going to be the new normal in that part of the world.

I just had a briefing today from the SDO/DATT from DRC. It doesn't matter how much help we offer, how much money we provide, how much training is done, until these nations can get corruption etc under some kind of control, it is going to get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better. Add in the tribe mentality, the fact that China will give them money with no talk of human rights violations etc, we are going to continue to put out the small fires, while the wildfire rages.

And today in Iraq.. http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/25/world/meast/iraq-protests/
Sunni or later the shit will hit the fan.:rolleyes:

Pete
01-25-2013, 16:27
Well, truth be told the Hostage Rescue wasn't much of a Hostage Rescue as Hostage Rescues go.

Utah Bob
01-25-2013, 20:55
Well, truth be told the Hostage Rescue wasn't much of a Hostage Rescue as Hostage Rescues go.

Well...if ya want to make an omelet....
Ya gotta kill a few hostages, I mean break a few necks... oh crap you know what I mean.

I think it's in the Quran.:rolleyes:

MR2
01-25-2013, 20:57
Well...if ya want to make an omelet....
Ya gotta kill a few hostages, I mean break a few necks... oh crap you know what I mean.

I think it's in the Quran.:rolleyes:

or throw a few grenades...