Gun Control Bill passes New York Senate 43-18

[Dohhunter]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/15/bill-called-toughest-gun-control-package-in-nation-passed-by-new-york-state/

Two more rounds and they would have matched Canadian restrictions on magazines for semi automatics.

(Gents, I have not seen this posted elsewhere as a separate thread, please delete if I have overlooked).


ALBANY, N.Y. – Days after calling for an overhaul of gun control in New York following the Connecticut school shooting, Gov. Andrew Cuomo worked out a tough proposal on gun control with legislative leaders who promised to pass the most restrictive gun law in the nation.

The measure passed the Senate 43-18 on the strength of support from Democrats, many of whom previously sponsored the bills that were once blocked by Republicans.

The Democrat-led Assembly gaveled out before midnight and planned to take the issue up at 10 a.m. Tuesday. It is expected to pass easily.

"This is a scourge on society," Cuomo said Monday night, one month after the Newtown, Conn., shooting that took the lives of 20 first graders and six educators. "At what point do you say, `No more innocent loss of life."'

"It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island. "And there is no confiscation of weapons, which was at one time being considered.

"This is going to go after those who are bringing illegal guns into the state, who are slaughtering people in New York City," Skelos said. "This is going to put people in jail and keep people in jail who shouldn't be out on the street in the first place."

"This will be the toughest gun control package in the nation," said Sen. Jeffrey Klein, leader of the Independent Democrat Conference that shares majority control with Republican senators. "All in all, it is a comprehensive, balanced approach that will save lives," Klein said in an interview.

Cuomo said he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault rifles and ammunition as he tries to address what he estimates is about 1 million assault rifles in New York state. He made it a centerpiece of his progressive agenda in last week's State of the State address.

Republican Sen. Greg Ball called that political opportunism in a rare criticism of the popular and powerful governor seen by his supporters as a possible candidate for president in 2016.

"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," said Ball who represents part of the Hudson Valley. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."

The governor confirmed the proposal, previously worked out in closed session, called for a tougher assault weapons ban and restrictions on ammunition and the sale of guns, as well as a mandatory police registry of assault weapons, grandfathering in assault weapons already in private hands.

It would create a more powerful tool to require the reporting of mentally ill people who say they intend to use a gun illegally and would address the unsafe storage of guns, the governor confirmed.

Under current state law, assault weapons are defined by having two "military rifle" features spelled out in the law. The proposal would reduce that to one feature and include the popular pistol grip.

Private sales of assault weapons to someone other than an immediate family would be subject to a background check through a dealer. Also Internet sales of assault weapons would be banned, and failing to safely store a weapon could be subject to a misdemeanor charge.

Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report the incident to a mental health director who would have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

The legislation also increases sentences for gun crimes including the shooting of a first responder that Cuomo called the "Webster provision." Last month in the western New York town of Webster, two firefighters were killed after responding to a fire set by the shooter, who eventually killed himself.

Legislators wouldn't comment on the tentative deal or the provisions discussed in closed-door conferences.

"It's a tough vote," said Senate Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous of Broome County. "This is a very difficult issue depending on where you live in the state. I have had thousands of emails and calls ... and I have to respect their wishes." He said many of constituents worry the bill will conflict with the Second Amendment's right to bear arms while others anguish over shootings like at Newtown, Conn., and Columbine, Colo.

A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six educators inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown.

The closed-door meetings prompted about a dozen gun workers to travel more than two hours to Albany to protest the legislation they say could cost 300 to 700 jobs in the economically hard-hit Mohawk Valley.

"I have three small kids myself," said Jamie Rudall, a unionized worker who polishes shotgun receivers. "So I know what it means, the tragedy ... we need to look at ways to prevent that, rather than eliminate the rights of law-abiding citizens."

In the gun debate, one concern for New York is its major gun manufacturer upstate.

Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve when the two firefighters were slain in Webster. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.

Assemblyman Marc Butler, a Republican who represents the area, decried the closed-door meetings by Senate Republicans and the Democratic majority of the Assembly as "politics at its worst."

The bill would be the first test of the new coalition in control of the Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.

[jkirkthomas]

Thank God I live in NC, and western NC to boot, though I don't guess we're immune to the madness. If such a thing should pass here, I'll just be a criminal, because I'm not giving up anything.

[Dusty]

Many idiots have been brainwashed by Sandy Hook, and "they" are gonna capitalize on it.

I think we're all gonna be surprised at how radically polarizing this issue is, and I don't think "they" realize how many Citizens are gonna react negatively to unreasonable gun legislation on a National basis, especially if it's unilateral or originated solely in the Executive branch.

[Ape Man]

Presuming this passes the assembly, every owner of a 10 round rugger 10-22 just became a possessor of an illegal product.

I wonder how many people realizes this? I bet there are a lot of people who think that this bill only affects mall ninja or "gun nuts." I doubt many people realize that this affects "normal" guns.

[SF18C]

To the people of New York, I present your last hope:

How to deal with idiots in NEW YORK (http://movingquote.mayflower.com/?kid=GOG0035584410)

[Hand]

It would create a more powerful tool to require the reporting of mentally ill people who say they intend to use a gun illegally and would address the unsafe storage of guns, the governor confirmed.

ummm.... So as part of an examination, mentally ill people will be asked if they intend to use a gun illegaly?


:confused:

[tonyz]

A sweeping executive order in the 2A area could potentially make criminals out of many of Obama's otherwise law abiding political opponents.

Looks like NY is going down that path albeit legislatively.

It is amazing how fast this is happening - how fast the 2A can be eviscerated by lawmakers.

These are indeed interesting times.

[MR2]

So we had a National Conversation about "gun control". Was anyone other than the politicians allowed to participate?

[tonyz]

So we had a National Conversation about "gun control". Was anyone other than the politicians allowed to participate?

Given what is being proposed...perhaps the conversation is just beginning.

[MR2]

I'm listening to "The battle of New Orleans" ATM.

[SF18C]

I'm listening to "The battle of New Orleans" ATM.


SSGT Barry Sadler, Ballad of the Green Beret
http://youtu.be/34CXcgJURbg

[ZonieDiver]

I've always been partial to this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yQ9mJoSvyE

I'm not sure if it's due to that "jump and die" part, or the fact I had to sing "The Ballad of the Green Berets" every morning for about 6 weeks!:D

[Richard]

Well, I'm ready with my new NYC approved Mickey Mantle home protection device. :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

[tonyz]

From the article in the OP:

"Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge."

'Cause we all know that nothing prevents another crazed lunatic from going on another senseless gun rampage - than the threat of yet another misdemeanor.

Or, better yet, <gasp> another tax.

...there may be some good buys on Gunbroker soon.

[Dohhunter]

I wonder how the stock on pop rivet manufacturers is doing today?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Hopefully this will be the beginning of the end. Homeowners with a strong belief in the Constitution and gun manufacturers in upstate NY should be making plans to move elsewhere and take their tax base and profitability with them.

It's the only way to live with freedom. The freedom to pack up and find a more welcoming place.

Over 225 years of tradition relegated to the toilet in typical knee jerk fashion by elected statists and a determination to undermine the governing documents of a free people. :(

[Badger52]

Over 225 years of tradition relegated to the toilet in typical knee jerk fashion by elected statists and a determination to undermine the governing documents of a free people. :("To the People of the State of New York..."

oh yeah, that's just the writings of some more dead white guys.
:rolleyes:

[SF18C]

:cool:From the article in the OP:

"Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge."

'Cause we all know that nothing prevents another crazed lunatic from going on another senseless gun rampage - than the threat of yet another misdemeanor.

Or, better yet, <gasp> another tax.

...there may be some good buys on Gunbroker soon.

Hey NEW YORKERS, if you need sell some AR mags let me know! :cool:

[Old Dog New Trick]

:cool:

Hey NEW YORKERS, if you need sell some AR mags let me know! :cool:

Especially if they are good ones. I'll give $0.35 on the dollar for quality mags. :p

[Mustang Man]

Are they PMAGS? :rolleyes:

[SF18C]

Senator Greg Ball from NY

http://youtu.be/2rRSUEaLKvA

[Badger52]

Well done Senator Ball for your voice.

Unfortunately, someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is saying:
"Only 56 more states to go."

[abc_123]

Well a big red "X" goes over yet another state on the "where I could possibly retire to" map.

[PSM]

Well a big red "X" goes over yet another state on the "where I could possibly retire to" map.

Plenty of room here in Arizona. ;) Bring ammo! :D

Pat

[Ghost_Team]

I'm thinking there are alot of holes being dug in NY, and there will be a record number of "thefts" reported. ;)

[Richard]

States rights issue? :confused:

Richard :munchin

[Surgicalcric]

Well regardless of what NY does my HOR state is putting up a fight against any attempt the president makes at side stepping the legislative branch...

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/bills/224.htm

TO NULLIFY IN SOUTH CAROLINA ANY PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDER RESTRICTING, ABRIDGING, OR OTHERWISE INFRINGING UPON A CITIZEN'S SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

[TXGringo]

Well regardless of what NY does my HOR state is putting up a fight against any attempt the president makes at side stepping the legislative branch...

http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess120_2013-2014/bills/224.htm

Happening here as well:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/texas-pol-outlaw-exec-gun-orders-86227.html

“If a federal official comes into the state of Texas to enforce the federal executive order, that person is subject to criminal prosecution,” Toth told the news station.
The lawmaker added that there needed to be a showdown between state and federal government over the Supremacy Clause, which dictates that federal law take precedence over state laws."

[Surgicalcric]

And a Sheriff's response to Biden's babblings...

[zeke]

Oregon is often a contrast with the populations in Portland/Salem/Eugene vs. the rest of the state. Portland had a crappy choice between mayoral candidates and got stuck with Hales.

We also had some stuff introduced on Monday....
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/01/oregon_democratic_leadership_c.html#incart_m-rpt-2

hopefully it goes nowhere.

I was extremely happy to see the letter from the Sheriff of Albany.

[Sigaba]

Calls for nullification in advance of a presidential inauguration and a state of the union address reflect poor political judgement. Instead of focusing attention on the deficits of the president's "solutions," the calls will reawaken memories of John C. Calhoun's greatest error.

This president is no Andrew Jackson, but it sure seems like some are detirmined to make comparisons possible, if not sustainable.

My $0.02.

[koz]

States rights issue? :confused:

Richard :munchin

We have certain rights that the state cannot take. (or theoretically at least).

[Richard]

We have certain rights that the state cannot take. (or theoretically at least).

States voted it in - states could, theoretically, band together and vote it out.

Richard :munchin

[Streck-Fu]

All this can make one wonder how it would be different if the 17th Am had not passed and the state governments elected Senators rather than the people.

[Go Devil]

Good thing New York doesn't possess a "Well Regulated Militia" or the Big Apple would resemble Milan when Mussolini made his last famous appearance, or should I say swing.

[Surgicalcric]

Calls for nullification in advance of a presidential inauguration and a state of the union address reflect poor political judgement. Instead of focusing attention on the deficits of the president's "solutions," the calls will reawaken memories of John C. Calhoun's greatest error.

This president is no Andrew Jackson, but it sure seems like some are detirmined to make comparisons possible, if not sustainable.

My $0.02.

Poor political judgement?

This is about the president overstepping his (executive branch) authority and he should be called on it when it happens not when its politically expedient for those in office. He needs to understand there are those who will not take his "I'll do what I want" approach to governance laying down.

Crip

[craigepo]

States voted it in - states could, theoretically, band together and vote it out.

Richard :munchin

Or amend the amendment

[Sigaba]

Poor political judgement?

This is about the president overstepping his (executive branch) authority and he should be called on it when it happens not when its politically expedient for those in office. He needs to understand there are those who will not take his "I'll do what I want" approach to governance laying down.

Crip
Then let the judicial branch do its job.

[Team Sergeant]

Then let the judicial branch do its job.

I WILL NOT COMPLY

Sigaba you wait the judicial branch do its job.

I'd rather draw a line in the sand and inform the idiots in Washington that I will not comply. I will view any attempt to seize my weapons or magazines as an illegal act by the current government and my response will be unprecedented.

This is not about guns or magazines, this is about maintaining our constitutionally granted rights, it's about the abuse of power and it's about Freedom. All of which I'm am fully prepared to fight and die for if necessary.

Go ahead Washington and ban 30 round magazines, for when you do I will become a criminal, and I'm sure I'll be in good company.

I will not comply.

[Richard]

Then let the judicial branch do its job.

Or Congress.

{ http://www.thisnation.com/question/040.html }

Richard :munchin

[BOfH]

"Technically" I don't think they should legally be able to ban the AR-15 as it is a weapon in common usage among the citizens, and the DC v Heller decision specifically said that weapons in common usage among the citizens are protected under the Second Amendment, but I don't know if that would hold up in any Court or not, especially in this state.

That could be why they banned "evil" features and not the platform itself. The bill itself has some holes, i.e. a Benelli MR1 without a grip would be technically be legal under the new law. The problem is the language "any pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon", conspicuous can(and will) be arbitrarily applied.

The real infringement is the second and third order effects of the bill. NICS check for all ammunition sales, state police notification for bulk ammo purchases, all which increase complication and will ultimately infringe on supply. This effectively bans online sales without actually banning online sales of ammunition. Lastly, the magazine size limit ONLY targets law abiding gun owners, because they can only check for 7 rounds in a 10 round mag for those who have actually registered their weapons, contrary to the polecats[1], as opposed to forcing manufacturers to make 7 round mags or restricting it to 5.

MOO: The magazine limit is probably the expendable clause which they will sacrifice during the ensuing legal battle sure to come. The problem is that gun owners will take this battle win without realizing that they have ultimately lost the war.

[1] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/15/bill-called-toughest-gun-control-package-in-nation-passed-by-new-york-state/

[Badger52]

Go ahead Washington and ban 30 round magazines, for when you do I will become a criminal, and I'm sure I'll be in good company.

I will not comply.It's a long line.

[AngelsSix]

I WILL NOT COMPLY

Sigaba you wait the judicial branch do its job.

I'd rather draw a line in the sand and inform the idiots in Washington that I will not comply. I will view any attempt to seize my weapons or magazines as an illegal act by the current government and my response will be unprecedented.

This is not about guns or magazines, this is about maintaining our constitutionally granted rights, it's about the abuse of power and it's about Freedom. All of which I'm am fully prepared to fight and die for if necessary.

Go ahead Washington and ban 30 round magazines, for when you do I will become a criminal, and I'm sure I'll be in good company.

I will not comply.


Same here!

[Dozer523]

And a (Albany OR) Sheriff's response to Biden's babblings...
Powerful words . . . unless you've ever been to Albany (the armpit of) Oregon.
I lived and worked there. I could not get out of that town fast enough!

[tonyz]

An opinion piece in the WSJ - provides an interesting perspective when Cuomo, Feinstein, etc., etc., work to disarm/hamstring the legal while the illegal run wild.

"What I saw as a prosecutor in Washington, D.C., makes me wary of strict firearms laws."

By JEFFREY SCOTT SHAPIRO
WSJ
January 15, 2013

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578235460300469292.html?m od=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion

In the wake of the horrific elementary-school shootings in Newtown, Conn., last month, many Americans, desperate to do something in response, have decided that much stricter gun control is the answer. Democrats have proposed reinstating the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein has proposed legislation that would even restrict the use of some semiautomatic handguns.

As a former prosecutor in Washington, D.C., who enforced firearms and ammunition cases while a severe local gun ban was still in effect, I am skeptical of the benefits that many imagine will result from additional gun-control efforts. I dislike guns, but I believe that a nationwide firearms crackdown would place an undue burden on law enforcement and endanger civil liberties while potentially increasing crime.

The D.C. gun ban, enacted in 1976, prohibited anyone other than law-enforcement officers from carrying a firearm in the city. Residents were even barred from keeping guns in their homes for self-defense.

Some in Washington who owned firearms before the ban were allowed to keep them as long as the weapons were disassembled or trigger-locked at all times. According to the law, trigger locks could not be removed for self-defense even if the owner was being robbed at gunpoint. The only way anyone could legally possess a firearm in the District without a trigger lock was to obtain written permission from the D.C. police. The granting of such permission was rare.

The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.

The Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Department also waged a war on firearms by creating a special Gun Recovery Unit in 1995. The campaign meant that officers were obliged to spend time searching otherwise law-abiding citizens. That same year, the department launched a crackdown called Operation Cease Fire to rid the District of illegal firearms. But after four months, officers had confiscated only 282 guns out of the many thousands in the city.

Civil liberties were endangered. Legislative changes empowered judges to hold gun suspects in pretrial detention without bond for up to 100 days, and efforts were made to enact curfews and seize automobiles found to contain firearms. In 1997, Police Chief Charles Ramsey disbanded the unit so that he could assign more uniformed officers to patrol the streets instead, but the police periodically tried other gun crackdowns over the next decade—with little effect.

In 2007, a panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the city's gun ban was unconstitutional. Senior Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote in the majority opinion that "the black market for handguns in the District is so strong that handguns are readily available (probably at little premium) to criminals. It is asserted, therefore that the D.C. gun control laws irrationally prevent only law abiding citizens from owning handguns."

The ruling was affirmed the following year by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion said that citizens were guaranteed a right to keep firearms that were in common use in their homes for self-defense, but that the government could pass reasonable regulations concerning firearms and ammunition.

Heller created a panic among gun-control advocates because it condoned the ownership of semiautomatic handguns, which are among the most common firearms in use but also the target of many restriction efforts. Supporters of the District gun ban maintained that because a semiautomatic handgun could potentially be converted into a machine gun—a class of firearms not expressly protected by Heller—they were in fact machine guns and therefore not protected by the Second Amendment. In response, Congress threatened to pass a law that specified the legality of semiautomatic handguns in the District. To avoid the embarrassment of being dictated to by Congress, the D.C. Council passed emergency legislation in September 2008 amending the gun ban to allow ownership of semiautomatic handguns for home defense.

Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976. The decline resulted from a variety of factors, but losing the gun ban certainly did not produce the rise in murders that many might have expected.

The urge to drastically restrict firearms after mass murders like those at Sandy Hook Elementary School last month and in Aurora, Colo., in July, is understandable. In effect, many people would like to apply the District's legal philosophy on firearms to the entire nation. Based on what happened in Washington, I think that would be a mistake. Any sense of safety and security would be a false one.

Mr. Shapiro was a criminal prosecutor for the District of Columbia from 2007-09.

[Razor]

All you M1 Garand owners in NY, have fun with trying to make those modified clips work. :rolleyes:

[ZonieDiver]

All this can make one wonder how it would be different if the 17th Am had not passed and the state governments elected Senators rather than the people.

I often wonder what my life would have been like IF I looked more like George Clooney and less like Mickey Rooney!:D

I still wake up looking more like Mickey Rooney.

[Pete]

All you M1 Garand owners in NY, have fun with trying to make those modified clips work. :rolleyes:

Somewhere around here I have a couple of 3 round Garand clips. Picked them up years ago - don't know what they were made for but anyway.............

Little bit of a bitch to load the rounds into the clip - but easier than the 8 round clip.

Little clumsy to load - wants to tip forward - so you have to hold your thumb back near the clip as you push down.

But once the bolt goes forward - no problem.

[Badger52]

I haven't yet gone through the entire POS they passed (http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=A02388&term=2013&Summary=Y&Text=Y) but if several of the EXSUM's on the net are accurate, they have now isolated CT, RI, NH, VT, and ME in a large way, travelling to & from.

Kinda like having to go through Magdeburg to get to Helmstedt or West Berlin...
:rolleyes:

[SF18C]

I WILL NOT COMPLY

Sigaba you wait the judicial branch do its job.

I'd rather draw a line in the sand and inform the idiots in Washington that I will not comply. I will view any attempt to seize my weapons or magazines as an illegal act by the current government and my response will be unprecedented.

This is not about guns or magazines, this is about maintaining our constitutionally granted rights, it's about the abuse of power and it's about Freedom. All of which I'm am fully prepared to fight and die for if necessary.

Go ahead Washington and ban 30 round magazines, for when you do I will become a criminal, and I'm sure I'll be in good company.

I will not comply.

Lemme know when to come over, I'll bring my own party favors!

[MR2]

Banned Pistol Grips

[kgoerz]

They also made it illegal to publish names of legal Gun owners. In response to what that newspaper did. Other then that. Another BS law that will just inconvenient lawful Citizens.

[koz]

This is typical politicians. I hope it's gets held up in the Senate/Assembly. If guns are bad, nobody should have them... :D

-------
NEW YORK (WABC) -- It appears someone forgot to exempt police officers from the ban of ammunition clips with more than 7 bullets in New York State's new gun control law.

It's a big oversight that apparently happened in the haste by the Cuomo Administration to get a tough package of gun-control measures signed into law.

On Tuesday, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the sweeping gun measure, the nation's toughest. It includes a ban on the possession of high-capacity magazines.

Specifically, magazines with more than 7 rounds will be illegal under the new law.
The problem as the statute is currently written does NOT exempt law enforcement officers.

The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity.

Unless an exemption is added by the time the law takes effect in March, police would technically be in violation of the new gun measure.

Within the last hour, the Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

A spokesman for the Governor's office called us to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included."

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=8958116

[Badger52]

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"Hey, Scheisskopf, they won't have it. Your law says so, you walking event-horizon.

[Razor]

Within the last hour, the Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

Because retired cops need these more than regular citizens?

[Oldrotorhead]

All you M1 Garand owners in NY, have fun with trying to make those modified clips work. :rolleyes:

Maybe they can load after #7 with snap caps

[Ape Man]

Maybe they can load after #7 with snap caps

Maybe they just will not comply with the law. That is the easiest solution and not all that painful even if you get caught. I will not claim to be expert on the new law, but the enforcement provisions are something of a joke from what I have seen.

The thing that disgusts me is that I know people who support the law who have no intention of complying with it. This is because they already have high cap clips for their 22's that they don't intend to get rid of.

[Sdiver]

All you M1 Garand owners in NY, have fun with trying to make those modified clips work.

Somewhere around here I have a couple of 3 round Garand clips. Picked them up years ago - don't know what they were made for but anyway.............

Little bit of a bitch to load the rounds into the clip - but easier than the 8 round clip.

Little clumsy to load - wants to tip forward - so you have to hold your thumb back near the clip as you push down.

But once the bolt goes forward - no problem.

3 Rounds ????? :confused:

Pete,
I've seen 5 round clips for the Garand, but not 3 rounds. That's wild. :D
I want to say that I saw them back in the late 80's early 90's, when I believe there was a law on the books about hunters only able to have 5 rounds in the weapons at any one time, while actively hunting, (or something along those lines). I'm sure our active hunters will clue me in on that. ;)

But 3 rounds .... LOL ... I could see it going something like this ... Bang, Bang, Bang, TING !!!!! .... Bang, Bang, Bang, TING !!!!!! ..... Bang, Bang, Bang, TING !!!! ..... Bang, Bang, TING !!!!!! ...... Bang, TING !!!!! ....:D

ETA ... This just hit me. Maybe the 3 round clips were used for Honor Guards at burial ceremonies?

[Badger52]

3 Rounds ?????ETA ... This just hit me. Maybe the 3 round clips were used for Honor Guards at burial ceremonies?Negative. You don't want the 'ting' at the end of the volley. The 2-rounders could be modified & manipulated to get 3 in. But that's not what we used when I had a firing squad, shooting too many volleys in '67 over too many former HS students out at Forest Lawn...

Here's a 5-rounder for competition.

[GratefulCitizen]

A bridge too far.

From one of the articles:

“If it is a war they want.. Let it start here.”



http://www.allmediany.com/news/7183-advocates-push-to-not-register-guns-under-new-cuomo-law
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/01/25/new-york-gun-owners-plan-defiance-of-reg
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law

[tonyz]

A bridge too far.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law

Also from one of the articles...

"Threats of imprisoning gun owners for up to a year and confiscating their weapons are already being issued by governor’s office, headed by a rabid anti-Second Amendment extremist who suggested before the bill passed that “confiscation” of all semi-automatic rifles was being considered. If tens or even hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens refuse to comply, however, analysts say New York would either have to start raising taxes and building a lot more prisons, or give up on the scheme..."

[ddoering]

Personally I hope they try to confiscate them. They (the Dims) will get to see the 2d Amendment at work thru practical application. Might cause them to reconsider things.

[Richard]

Somewhere around here I have a couple of 3 round Garand clips. Picked them up years ago - don't know what they were made for but anyway.

Might be something manufactured to suit the requirements of a local game regulation thing.

IIRC PA, for example, only allows no more than 3 rounds in a rifle and 6 in a pistol on state gamelands.

I know of 5 and 2 round clips, never ran across a 3 round clip, though.

Richard :munchin

[Badger52]

They must have frostbite on their trigger fingers.

The deep freeze that has New Yorkers shivering in their boots has been a crime-fighting blessing for the NYPD — and as of midnight had given the city a nine-day streak without a murder, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

LINK to rest of story. (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/26/nyc-sees-no-murders-in-over-week-amid-cold-snap/)

:rolleyes:

[tonyz]

They must have frostbite on their trigger fingers. :rolleyes:

From the article above:

"I'm sure the weather helps cut down on the numbers," said a police source. "A lot of murders occur on the street. It’s too cold to hang out outside."

But the source insisted homicides would sprout up again in the warmer months. "It'll pick up again in the spring and summer. Always does."

Yup, the hot, humid summer nights spawn a variety of nocturnal activities in the NE cities. The cold weather does more to curb violence than the BS NY assault weapons ban will accomplish. Maybe Coumo should just ban warm weather.

[Dusty]

A bridge too far.

From one of the articles:



http://www.allmediany.com/news/7183-advocates-push-to-not-register-guns-under-new-cuomo-law
http://reason.com/24-7/2013/01/25/new-york-gun-owners-plan-defiance-of-reg
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14322-gun-owners-refuse-to-register-under-new-york-law

Backfire.

[AngelsSix]

Maybe they just will not comply with the law. That is the easiest solution and not all that painful even if you get caught. I will not claim to be expert on the new law, but the enforcement provisions are something of a joke from what I have seen.

The thing that disgusts me is that I know people who support the law who have no intention of complying with it. This is because they already have high cap clips for their 22's that they don't intend to get rid of.

That's the way I think.

The gang bangers running around with Mac 10's could give a shit what the law reads. So why aren't the cops taking steps to bring search warrants on every known gang banger and drug thug in NYC?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Personally I hope they try to confiscate them. They (the Dims) will get to see the 2d Amendment at work thru practical application. Might cause them to reconsider things.

Janet Napilosa (sic) will be vindicated for foreseeing that angry white men (veterans) with a salt weapons do pose a threat to the government and will be classified as terrorist and not freedom fighters..!

Maybe I should have put that in pink. :D

[ddoering]

A self fullfilling prophecy no doubt.....

[Badger52]

Maybe I should have put that in pink. :DNope, that official threat statement was well-publicized and she will trot it out faster than Ex-Lax through a sick dog.

[GratefulCitizen]

Unfunded mandates.
:D
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/story/NY-Safe-act-County-Clerks-funding/UA8bIsfcNUeHKtamet-9kw.cspx

Laboratories of democracy indeed.

[GratefulCitizen]

Picking a fight...
http://www.ammoland.com/2013/02/stewart-rhodes-introduces-molon-labe-county-project-to-3000-new-york-gun-owners/#axzz2KzzSjkG4

[Paslode]

A short time later, the intruder, Dalton Smith, and a 21-year-old college junior, Andrea Rebello, were both dead. The two were killed early Friday by a Nassau County police officer who fired eight shots at the masked man, hitting him seven times but also accidentally hitting Rebello once in the head, Nassau County homicide squad Lt. John Azzata said Saturday.

A loaded 9 mm handgun with a serial number scratched off was found at the scene, police said.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOFSTRA_STUDENT_SHOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-19-03-07-47

[The Reaper]

Well see, if he had only had seven rounds, that student might still be alive today. :rolleyes:

TR

[Paslode]

Well see, if he had only had seven rounds, that student might still be alive today. :rolleyes:

TR


In the officers case according to Cuomo and the Hi-Cap haters that would be true.

[Team Sergeant]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_HOFSTRA_STUDENT_SHOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-19-03-07-47


This seems to be how NYC cops are taught to fire their weapons, with no regard for anyone else.

Happened many times before, it will happen again.




The Empire State Building Shooting Was Mostly Perpetrated by Cops

When the first reports of a multiple-casualty shooting outside the Empire State Building came down the line this morning, most of us thought the same thing: not again. Not another senseless tragedy, not another crazy lone gunman, not another mass shooting.

But the Empire State Building shooting — two dead, nine others wounded — wasn't really a mass shooting. Or, if it was, it was mostly perpetrated by two police officers.

Two New York City cops shot ten people outside the Empire State Building this morning. One of them was Jeffrey Johnson, a laid-off accessories designer who allegedly killed his former boss with a handgun. Johnson apparently pointed (but didn't fire) his gun at police; the officers opened fire, killing Johnson and shooting or grazing nine other people. Again, Johnson shot only his intended victim. All of the bystanders were hit or grazed by police bullets.


http://gawker.com/5937745/the-empire-state-building-shooting-was-mostly-perpetrated-by-cops