Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans

[Snaquebite]

Let's hope this is the shape of things to come. If they can't pass this in Illinois, then let's hope they've got the sense to see where it will go at the federal level.

SPRINGFIELD — There’s not enough support in the Illinois Senate to impose tough new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

In a setback for gun-control advocates in the wake of the killings of school children in Connecticut, the Illinois Senate was poised to adjourn Thursday without voting on two pieces of legislation aimed at limiting access to certain kinds of weapons and bullets.

Although the two proposals could emerge again when the legislature reconvenes next week, the lack of action shows the General Assembly remains divided on how to balance Second Amendment issues.

A spokeswoman for Senate President John Cullerton, D-Chicago, offered no timetable for when the gun safety proposals might surface again.

“We will take some time to work on these important issues to advance them in the near future,” Rikeesha Phelon noted in a message to reporters.

One proposal would restrict the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic weapons, including handguns and rifles.

The National Rifle Association lobbied against the measure, saying the ban would take as many as 50 percent of long guns off the market in Illinois. Gun manufacturers also said the proposal could force them to lay off workers.

The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Antonio Munoz, D-Chicago, would allow people who currently own such weapons to keep them as long as they register the firearms with the Illinois State Police.

Sen. Dan Kotowski, D-Park Ridge, sponsored the proposal that would limit ammunition magazines to 10 or fewer rounds.

Gov. Pat Quinn has pushed for a ban on assault-style weapons, but a spokeswoman recently suggested action could come later this spring.



http://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/illinois/democrats-pull-plug-on-gun-ammo-bans/article_32f17fc4-55db-11e2-a7a7-001a4bcf887a.html

[koz]

That is good news for now.

I've encouraged everyone I know (who likes freedom and guns) to write their local legislators, US rep and Senators to vote against any gun control legislation. I've also written McConnell and Boehner to ask them to procedurally block any gun control legislation. The volume of voters and correspondence does make a difference.

[BigJimCalhoun]

Some are reporting it is not really dead yet.

http://daysofourtrailers.blogspot.com/2013/01/bs-il-gun-bills-down-but-not-out.html

[Ghost_Team]

Let's hope this is the shape of things to come. If they can't pass this in Illinois, then let's hope they've got the sense to see where it will go at the federal level.

You assume sense at the federal level? You have more faith than I.

[SF18C]

Illinois Democrats...they haven't given up, they just found something more dirty and rotten to do for the moment...they will try again, they always do!!!

I swear the only support for that bill is with the Chicago area folks...everyone south of I-80 is the polar opposite of the "Chity-folk"!

[TacOfficer]

Illinois Democrats...they haven't given up, they just found something more dirty and rotten to do for the moment...they will try again, they always do!!!

I swear the only support for that bill is with the Chicago area folks...everyone south of I-80 is the polar opposite of the "Chity-folk"!

Most "Chity-folk" here in Chicago would like to see Madigan-Daley/democrat-republican, et al. combine fail and fade away. However, thanks to the corruption that has permeated though out the state, we are saddled with the powers that be. You may fault Chicago politicians, but please don't blame the entire victimized population of "Chity-folk"

Yours sincerely,
Chity-folk (careful how you pronounce it) :)

[SF18C]

Most "Chity-folk" here in Chicago would like to see Madigan-Daley/democrat-republican, et al. combine fail and fade away. However, thanks to the corruption that has permeated though out the state, we are saddled with the powers that be. You may fault Chicago politicians, but please don't blame the entire victimized population of "Chity-folk"

Yours sincerely,
Chity-folk (careful how you pronounce it) :)

For the record...I lived in Springfield and New Lenox (a little white bred bedroom community just a short train ride away from the James R. Thompson Center)...my Mother was pretty heavy into the Illinois political scene and Democrat party machine for 25 to 30 years. She worked for Roland B and Dicky D at various times. When I was younger I got roped into doing campaign support stuff for "DA DIMS" at the state fair, the Navy Pier and other places.

I got out as fast as I could...Thank You Unlce Sam and the US Army!!! And no, I don't blame the folks...just the ones that keep voting for those corrupt pol-cats!

[TacOfficer]

For the record...I lived in Springfield and New Lenox (a little white bred bedroom community just a short train ride away from the James R. Thompson Center)...my Mother was pretty heavy into the Illinois political scene and Democrat party machine for 25 to 30 years. She worked for Roland B and Dicky D at various times. When I was younger I got roped into doing campaign support stuff for "DA DIMS" at the state fair, the Navy Pier and other places.

I got out as fast as I could...Thank You Unlce Sam and the US Army!!! And no, I don't blame the folks...just the ones that keep voting for those corrupt pol-cats!

Thank you for the perspective. We share a similar background vis a vis the parental party affiliation. I didnt make the exfil. :(

It ain't your daddy's party anymore.

[SF18C]

Looks they are gonna try it again!

We are receiving news that the Governor may attempt to try to move these firearm and magazine bans through the house. They reconvene for their lame duck session this Sunday at 5:00 pm. More information to follow later today.


https://www.facebook.com/messages/100000122912415?__req=1c#!/ISRAgroup/posts/10151317270892200

Call 217-782-2728. This is the number to Illinois Senate President Culletons, they dont even ask where you are from, just your name and if you do/dont support it! Tell them you are from Chicago...it will drive them nuts!!!

[The Reaper]

And no, I don't blame the folks...just the ones that keep voting for those corrupt pol-cats!

Hey!

Don't speak ill of the dead.

TR

[TacOfficer]

Hey!

Don't speak ill of the dead.

TR


Ginger Ale all over the key board and some out the nose.

Thank you TR

[BigJimCalhoun]

They are voting on it tomorrow
http://www.examiner.com/article/illinois-legislature-holding-surprise-sunday-gun-ban-vote

[Gold Eagle]

Executive orders to follow from B. O.?:p

[ReefBlue]

Executive orders to follow from B. O.?:p

You cannot use an Executive Order to create a law.

[Stiletto11]

Roberts didn't exactly help with the ObamaCare decision. They admitted it was a tax and tax legislation cannot come from the Executive Branch, so perhaps Roberts thought someone would be so bold to challenge it on that premise. If we weren't under an "Emergency" there could not be executive orders. Lincoln was the first to use an Executive Order when he suspended Habius Corpus. He also jailed Supreme Court Justice. American Hero?

[ZonieDiver]

Roberts didn't exactly help with the ObamaCare decision. They admitted it was a tax and tax legislation cannot come from the Executive Branch, so perhaps Roberts thought someone would be so bold to challenge it on that premise. If we weren't under an "Emergency" there could not be executive orders. Lincoln was the first to use an Executive Order when he suspended Habius Corpus. He also jailed Supreme Court Justice. American Hero?

Where to begin?

First, how did "Obamacare" NOT come from the US Congress?

Secondly, "executive orders" have been issued by Presidents of the US since there has been a President of the US. They were just not always called such (called "executive directives", and sometimes "proclamations"), and were "traced" back to Lincoln retroactively, when they started to number them and keep track.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/02/the-use-and-abuse-of-executive-orders-and-other-presidential-directives

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php



Thirdly, Lincoln wanted Congress to suspend habeus corpus, but they were not in session at all times then - nor easily recalled - as today. When they came into session, there were attempts to create legislation suspending habeus corpus, but it took some time for it to happen. The Supreme Court didn't rule that suspending h.c. was 'illegal' - just that Congress had to do it, not the President. At first, the suspension was localized - in Maryland (ex parte Merryman), and then expanded nationwide - at the request of Congress!

http://www.civil-liberties.com/pages/did_lincoln.htm

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=69898




Finally, whether or not Lincoln actually had an arrest warrant issued for Justice Taney is a subject of controversy, but there is little actual evidence that he did. However, it is a fact that Taney never was arrested, at Lincoln's behest or otherwise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taney_Arrest_Warrant
(I know it's wikipedia, but it is a pretty good summary, and well-footnoted, and the other sources online are scattered hither and yon. This will start you off.)

Are you a Lew Rockwell adherent?

[ReefBlue]

Roberts didn't exactly help with the ObamaCare decision. They admitted it was a tax and tax legislation cannot come from the Executive Branch, so perhaps Roberts thought someone would be so bold to challenge it on that premise. If we weren't under an "Emergency" there could not be executive orders. Lincoln was the first to use an Executive Order when he suspended Habius Corpus. He also jailed Supreme Court Justice. American Hero?

So doing some google-fu and checking wikimania:

President Lincoln was not the first President to use executive orders, just the first president to have them numbered. Prior to that, they were issued directly to the appropriate department and weren't publicized or tracked.

Suspension of Habeas Corpus wasn't an EO, it was a proclamation, and it was overturned. Congress, however did approve the suspension, but it was filibustered.

But . . if you think the President could instead use a proclamation, it does not come into effect unless authorized by Congress. So even if The President proclaimed all firearms to be illegal, Congress would have to sign off on it (create an act) for it to become lawful. Not going to happen.

On top of that, Chief Justice Taney's arrest warrant doesn't appear to have any credible evidence of ever really occurring.


Edit: And wow, I got seriously cut in front of by ZonieDiver . . .

[ZonieDiver]

Edit: And wow, I got seriously cut in front of by ZonieDiver . . .

Maybe I should try-out for Jeopardy! It's not about being smart, or having a lot of trivial information in your brain housing group (I qualify with the second), it's about being quick with that buzzer thingie!:D

Back-up is always appreciated.

[SF18C]

Victory… in Illinois? This time not because of a court decision but because of the tireless efforts of the supporters of self defense.

http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2013/01/retaining-our-freedoms-is-possible-but.html

Lets hope this holds true for the Feds too!

[hydrashok]

I received this link from Larue Tactical earlier today, the numbers are pretty hard to argue with. The video examines how certain politicians manipulate gun/violence statistics to make it look like the U.S. Is far worse than the rest of the world.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0&feature=player_embedded&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%2 6v%3DOoa98FHuaU0