Ammo Ban?

[Gold Eagle]

Hope this not posted elsewhere. A little late but the game players waited till the holiday to sneak attack! But for those who write their congress:

http://http://www.ammoland.com/2012/12/24/batfe-taking-comments-on-a-pending-ban-ammo/#axzz2GBQFVre7

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is considering further restrictions for various types of ammunition used in both rifles and handguns.

The new restrictions stem from the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things restricted “Armor Piercing” ammunition and also set forth exceptions that were allowed.

One such restriction banned handgun ammunition which had a composition where the materials were harder than lead.

In what appears to be yet another anti-gun initiative by the Obama administration, the BATFE is now considering reversing previous policy by banning ammunition which was originally designed for rifles but can also be used in certain handguns, such as the Thompson Contender or pistol versions of semi-automatic rifles, by claiming that some such ammunition does not meet the exception standards. At issue now is what changes the BATFE would make in further determining exceptions under the “sporting purposes” exceptions.

As BATFE documents note: “…in developing a narrow sporting purposes test, ammunition in traditional hunting calibers will become regulated.” Translated, common rifle ammunition, including steel-core ammunition, would be banned simply because a handgun happens to be chambered for that caliber – as such handguns have been for many decades.

For more information, please go directly to the website provided by the BATFE: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/

There is still time!

The BATFE has opened the issue for public comment until December 31st, 2012. That gives us less than a month to have our voices heard in this issue. Take a moment and write to the BATFE using the email address provided below and let them know your concerns as they consider future changes to the “sporting purposes” exceptions to the Gun Control Act of 1968 which very well may result in further restrictions on commonly used ammunition.

[The Reaper]

Hope this not posted elsewhere. A little late but the game players waited till the holiday to sneak attack! But for those who write their congress:

http://http://www.ammoland.com/2012/12/24/batfe-taking-comments-on-a-pending-ban-ammo/#axzz2GBQFVre7

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is considering further restrictions for various types of ammunition used in both rifles and handguns.

The new restrictions stem from the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968, which among other things restricted “Armor Piercing” ammunition and also set forth exceptions that were allowed.

One such restriction banned handgun ammunition which had a composition where the materials were harder than lead.

In what appears to be yet another anti-gun initiative by the Obama administration, the BATFE is now considering reversing previous policy by banning ammunition which was originally designed for rifles but can also be used in certain handguns, such as the Thompson Contender or pistol versions of semi-automatic rifles, by claiming that some such ammunition does not meet the exception standards. At issue now is what changes the BATFE would make in further determining exceptions under the “sporting purposes” exceptions.

As BATFE documents note: “…in developing a narrow sporting purposes test, ammunition in traditional hunting calibers will become regulated.” Translated, common rifle ammunition, including steel-core ammunition, would be banned simply because a handgun happens to be chambered for that caliber – as such handguns have been for many decades.

For more information, please go directly to the website provided by the BATFE: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/

There is still time!

The BATFE has opened the issue for public comment until December 31st, 2012. That gives us less than a month to have our voices heard in this issue. Take a moment and write to the BATFE using the email address provided below and let them know your concerns as they consider future changes to the “sporting purposes” exceptions to the Gun Control Act of 1968 which very well may result in further restrictions on commonly used ammunition.

How is there still time to provide comments before 31 Dec 12?

TR

[Gold Eagle]

Yes. Happy New Year!

Only reason I posted so those of us who write our congress may do so and stop this before it goes further.

I hear congress stopped the shotgun ban ATF tried to pull.

Worth a try?

[sf11b_p]

It seems the administration believes it can do what it will with ammunition as it wasn't mentioned in the second amendment.

I believe that is an argument that will/should fail. It's belief that the founding fathers wanted the citizen the right to own and bear arms but not the ability to use them. It's like a law that would allow the consumption of beverages but make liquids illegal and regulate containers to remain sealed closed.

It would be as foolish as stating the right to bear arms didn't actually describe firearms. The intent is clearly weapons including firearms and the ability to own and use them, including load and fire them.

I'll be making comms with my representatives.

[Felix87]

Or like a law passing that makes it legal to smoke and hold marijuana in quantities less than an ounce, but still makes it illegal to sell or grow it?

Or like repealing DADT, but not changing any of the regulations within the DoD so that same sex couples receive no benefits like there heterosexual counter parts?

[Paslode]

Another potential problem is that the EPA will mandate the manufacture and use of 'Lead Free' ammunition.

[The Reaper]

Another potential problem is that the EPA will mandate the manufacture and use of 'Lead Free' ammunition.

At the same time the BATF is trying to ban any ammunition harder than lead.

What will be left, if anything?

TR

[Paslode]

It would definitely put a damper on things....but if there is a market and a will, someone will find a way to get around it.

[Paslode]

I wish I had your optimism but honestly I believe you have your head buried in the sand on this one. You do not want to admit how screwed up and dirty this administration is. High hopes and fairy dust does not change the facts.

I am with you on that......I am Paslode, if you think it is bad I believe it is at least 10x worse and I can dream up a multitude of far fetched bad endings. My Mother refers to it as 'Borrowing Trouble' and me as being a 'Worry Wort'.

I hope for the best, prepare for the worst and never quit trying.

[Ghost_Team]

I'm with Brush on this one. All they need to do is pass a law. By the time all the challenges work their way thru the courts, the final decision will be a moot point. The damage will already have been done and the objective achieved.

[Stiletto11]

I agree, with one swoop of the pen they can legislate all the gun owners who refuse to disarm into criminals.

[Dusty]

I hope for the best, prepare for the worst and never quit trying.

Nothing wrong with that.

[Dohhunter]

I agree, with one swoop of the pen they can legislate all the gun owners who refuse to disarm into criminals.

While we have what may be defined as firearm freedom (in relation to other commonwealth members) here north of the border, being federally licensed is exactly the elephant that you describe.

If your license expires? Felony possession.
If they decide to automatically create a disarmament brigade? "One" fell swoop (that passes) making licenses null and void can land you the same.

[Stiletto11]

The purpose of a license is to find out who owns guns and where. A slippery slope indeed leading to an attempt of confiscation. This is a classic case of the frog in the pot of water where one degree at a time will lead to him boiling without knowing it until it is too late. Create the problem, demonstrate the problem, solve the problem.

[Mustang Man]

It already feels like an ammo ban here, I have been to multiple gun shops and it has become nearly impossible to come across 5.56 & 7.62. I'm not sure if I should stock up or just hope things go back to the way they were. Does anybody know any shops around the Bragg area that still keep a good supply and flow of ammunition?

[Blitzzz (RIP)]

I agree, with one swoop of the pen they can legislate all the gun owners who refuse to disarm into criminals.

Most of us will be "outlaws"

[Paslode]

Most of us will be "outlaws"


One mans outlaw is another mans patriot ;)

[Paslode]

Kalifornia wants to regulate ammo...

Saying more than 2,000 Californians were killed by gunfire last year, Skinner said the bill would "bulletproof our communities."



http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Calif-bill-would-regulate-ammunition-sales-4172709.php

[Paslode]

LaRue started this thread.....maybe something to keep an eye on.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1417462__Dept_of_Transportation__has_stopped_all_h azmat__ammunition__shipping_to_Alaska___.html

From a person alleged to be in Missouri:

We just got an Email from all of our major Transportation contracts (UPS, VITRAN, YRC) that they will NOT be shipping any more ammo to us. They want it first...then we might get the left overs. if any at all..Major Bummer!!!


Another post link to this:

The days of the “ORM-D: Small Arms Cartridges” labels for ammo shipments are numbered. The Dept. of Transportation (DOT) is phasing out the current ORM-D ammo labels, replacing them with a larger striped diamond label that does not mention “Small Arms Cartridges”. This change is designed to harmonize U.S. shipping rules with United Nations standards. You can start using the new “Limited Quantity” diamond labels for ammo shipments immediately, but they are not mandatory — yet. You can continue to use the old ORM-D “Cartridges, Small Arms” labels until December 31, 2013. As of January 1, 2014 you MUST use the Striped Diamonds.

Harmonizing with the UN.....

[Dusty]

This is working the way they thought Fast and Furious would.

[SGT.Gardner]

I am not so sure it is so much a ban on ammo considering that DHS is buying stockpiles of ammo to the point of needing to ask why do you need so much? Or if it is a knee-jerk reaction to what is happening with multiple Gun Bills and the possibility of an executive order. I think that the Federal Government is buying every bit of ammo they can, and that is causing a shortage. I am asking myself why this is happening because the rounds that DHS is buying is hollow point soft tipped rounds and not authorized for use as a round for law enforcement nor is it authorized under the Geneva rules of war.

But as for stockpiling yes you should always be prepared like a good boy scout :lifter. And yes one man’s criminal is another man’s patriot. I would also say this for all you professionals’ do what you know how to do.

[SGT.Gardner]

Law enforcement is not limited to FMJ like the military. They can and do use hollow point expanding ammo and it has always been legal.

i wonder if it that would be something regulated at a local level, i ask because all of Stevens county sheriff deputies are not allowed to carry hollow points. i dont know about spokane county

[2018commo]

I expect them to tax ammo like they have taxed tobacco, using the proceeds to fight gun violence. Dollar a round to start.

[Paslode]

This is working the way they thought Fast and Furious would.

I agree. Makes me wonder how far they would it to achieve the goal.