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gits
10-24-2004, 21:55
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041024-110609-9428r.htm

U.N. ambassadors from several nations are disputing assertions by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry that he met for hours with all members of the U.N. Security Council just a week before voting in October 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq.
An investigation by The Washington Times reveals that while the candidate did talk for an unspecified period to at least a few members of the panel, no such meeting, as described by Mr. Kerry on a number of occasions over the past year, ever occurred.



At the second presidential debate earlier this month, Mr. Kerry said he was more attuned to international concerns on Iraq than President Bush, citing his meeting with the entire Security Council.
"This president hasn't listened. I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them, to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable," Mr. Kerry said of the Iraqi dictator.
Speaking before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York in December 2003, Mr. Kerry explained that he understood the "real readiness" of the United Nations to "take this seriously" because he met "with the entire Security Council, and we spent a couple of hours talking about what they saw as the path to a united front in order to be able to deal with Saddam Hussein."
But of the five ambassadors on the Security Council in 2002 who were reached directly for comment, four said they had never met Mr. Kerry. The four also said that no one who worked for their countries' U.N. missions had met with Mr. Kerry either.
The former ambassadors who said on the record they had never met Mr. Kerry included the representatives of Mexico, Colombia and Bulgaria. The ambassador of a fourth country gave a similar account on the condition that his country not be identified.
Ambassador Andres Franco, the permanent deputy representative from Colombia during its Security Council membership from 2001 to 2002, said, "I never heard of anything."
Although Mr. Franco was quick to note that Mr. Kerry could have met some members of the panel, he also said that "everything can be heard in the corridors."
Adolfo Aguilar Zinser, Mexico's then-ambassador to the United Nations, said: "There was no meeting with John Kerry before Resolution 1441, or at least not in my memory."
All had vivid recollections of the time frame when Mr. Kerry traveled to New York, as it was shortly before the Nov. 7, 2002, enactment of Resolution 1441, which said Iraq was in "material breach" of earlier disarmament resolutions and warned Baghdad of "serious consequences as a result of its continued violations."
Stefan Tafrov, Bulgaria's ambassador at the time, said he remembers the period well because it "was a very contentious time."
After conversations with ambassadors from five members of the Security Council in 2002 and calls to all the missions of the countries then on the panel, The Times was only able to confirm directly that Mr. Kerry had met with representatives of France, Singapore and Cameroon.
In addition, second-hand accounts have Mr. Kerry meeting with representatives of Britain.
When reached for comment last week, an official with the Kerry campaign stood by the candidate's previous claims that he had met with the entire Security Council.
But after being told late yesterday of the results of The Times investigation, the Kerry campaign issued a statement that read in part, "It was a closed meeting and a private discussion."
A Kerry aide refused to identify who participated in the meeting.
The statement did not repeat Mr. Kerry's claims of a lengthy meeting with the entire 15-member Security Council, instead saying the candidate "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council."
Asked whether the international body had any records of Mr. Kerry sitting down with the whole council, a U.N. spokesman said that "our office does not have any record of this meeting."
A U.S. official with intimate knowledge of the Security Council's actions in fall of 2002 said that he was not aware of any meeting Mr. Kerry had with members of the panel.
An official at the U.S. mission to the United Nations remarked: "We were as surprised as anyone when Kerry started talking about a meeting with the Security Council."
Jean-David Levitte, then France's chief U.N. representative and now his country's ambassador to the United States, said through a spokeswoman that Mr. Kerry did not have a single group meeting as the senator has described, but rather several one-on-one or small-group encounters.
He added that Mr. Kerry did not meet with every member of the Security Council, only "some" of them. Mr. Levitte could only name himself and Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock of Britain as the Security Council members with whom Mr. Kerry had met.
One diplomat who met with Mr. Kerry in 2002 said on the condition of anonymity that the candidate talked to "a few" ambassadors on the Security Council.
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes — honesty.
At a New Mexico rally last month, Mr. Kerry said Mr. Bush will "do anything he can to cover up the truth." At what campaign aides billed as a major foreign-policy address, Mr. Kerry said at New York University last month that "the first and most fundamental mistake was the president's failure to tell the truth to the American people."
In recent months, Mr. Kerry has faced numerous charges of dishonesty from Vietnam veterans over his war record, and his campaign has backtracked before from previous statements about Mr. Kerry's foreign diplomacy.
For example, in March, Mr. Kerry told reporters in Florida that he'd met with foreign leaders who privately endorsed him.
"I've met with foreign leaders who can't go out and say this publicly," he said. "But, boy, they look at you and say: 'You've got to win this. You've got to beat this guy. We need a new policy.' "
But the senator refused to document his claim and a review by The Times showed that Mr. Kerry had made no official foreign trips since the start of 2002, according to Senate records and his own published schedules. An extensive review of Mr. Kerry's domestic travel schedule revealed only one opportunity for him to have met foreign leaders here.
After a week of bad press, Kerry foreign-policy adviser Rand Beers said the candidate "does not seek, and will not accept, any such endorsements."
The Democrat has also made his own veracity a centerpiece of his campaign, calling truthfulness "the fundamental test of leadership."
Mr. Kerry closed the final debate by recounting what his mother told him from her hospital bed, "Remember: integrity, integrity, integrity."
In an interview published in the new issue of Rolling Stone magazine, Mr. Kerry was asked what he would want people to remember about his presidency. He responded, "That it always told the truth to the American people."

Radar Rider
10-25-2004, 02:48
The revelation that Mr. Kerry never met with the entire U.N. Security Council could be problematic for the Massachusetts senator, as it clashes with one of his central foreign-policy campaign themes — honesty. Doesn't honesty clash with everything he does?

gits
10-25-2004, 09:21
I'm suprised all the news organizations are talking about "lost explosives" in Iraq instead of sKerry's lies.

Gypsy
10-25-2004, 09:34
Doesn't honesty clash with everything he does?

Guess his momma's advice (Integrity, Integrity, Integrity) went in one ear and out the other.

The Reaper
10-25-2004, 10:26
Frankly, I am amazed that Kerry gets away with holding the POTUS responsible for everything that happens anywhere in the world from flu shot shortages to Abu Graib, yet continues to duck his own record and the media does not call him on this.

Incredible.

TR

Roguish Lawyer
10-25-2004, 11:06
Frankly, I am amazed that Kerry gets away with holding the POTUS responsible for everything that happens anywhere in the world from flu shot shortages to Abu Graib, yet continues to duck his own record and the media does not call him on this.

Incredible.

TR

Concur totally.

Airbornelawyer
10-25-2004, 11:10
Frankly, I am amazed that Kerry gets away with holding the POTUS responsible for everything that happens anywhere in the world from flu shot shortages to Abu Graib, yet continues to duck his own record and the media does not call him on this.

Incredible.

TR
Concur, except that "amazed" is probably not the right word. "Saddened" or "disgusted, but not surprised," maybe.

Bravo1-3
10-25-2004, 13:03
What is it about this guy that keeps him at odds with the truth at all times?

All he had to say was that he met with several members of the Security Council.

First he's in Cambodia for Christmas, then it's New Years, then he "Thought" he was there, then he was "Near" Cambodia.

First he's IN COUNTRY on April 4, 1968, then he's relating his thoughts that he had several months afterwards while in country.

How fucked up is this guys head?

What I want to know is what HE'S going to do if he gets some half assed intel... wht kind of truth is he going to tell us about it? I'm thinking that to him, learning about some group building a car bomb is going to translate into building a nuke in his announcement.

Airbornelawyer
10-25-2004, 14:04
Let us be clear. The spin that Kerry just "met with a group of representatives of countries sitting on the Security Council" is a lie.

On 9 October 2002, he stated simply "I met with members of the Security Council."

By 3 December 2003, that had become: "I was invited to come up and meet with the Security Council" and "So I sat with the French and British, Germans, with the entire Security Council." [emphasis added]. Note: Germany was not on the Security Council in the 2001-2002 term. It took a rotating seat in January 2003.

On 10 December 2003, it was again "I met with the entire Security Council."

On 19 July 2004, it was back to the more accurate, if somewhat misleading, "I spent the time to go up and meet with Security Council representatives. I talked to them at great length prior to the vote...."

By 5 August 2004, he was again implying he had a full meeting: "I met with the Security Council of the United Nations in the week proceeding [sic] the vote in the Senate."

On 26 September 2004, again, "I met with the security council personally one week before the vote, and I asked the French ambassador and the British and the Germans and the others, ‘What are you prepared to do?" Note, again, the presence of the Germans.

And then, at the debate on 8 October 2004, "I went to meet with the members of the Security Council in the week before we voted. I went to New York. I talked to all of them to find out how serious they were about really holding Saddam Hussein accountable." "The" members, not "some" members; and "I talked to all of them."

Links to sources of quotes: http://www.redstate.org/story/2004/10/25/14723/354

gits
10-25-2004, 15:45
I'm still waitin for at least fox to call out Kerry on these charges but I havn't heard on the radio or seen on tv anyone talk about this yet.

Stargazer
10-25-2004, 16:02
I first heard about this story on Fox and Friends this a.m. They had the gentleman on who investigated Kerry's claims and wrote the article.

gits
10-25-2004, 16:10
Well its not on the news enough for people to hear the story. Once it gets out a little bit more its gonna be something sKerry has to answer or something Kerry won't answer at all and get the swift boat effect.