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Team Sergeant
12-16-2012, 09:34
Hey Chicago how's that oppressive socialist "Gun-Free Zone" working out for you? :munchin
10 shot, including 4 teens, Friday afternoon and night
By Rosemary Regina Sobol and Peter NickeasTribune reporters
7:54 a.m. CST, December 15, 2012
Shootings across the city Friday afternoon and night wounded at least ten people, according to Chicago police, including four teens in three separate South and West side attacks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-shootings-violence-december-14-december-15-20121214,0,912168.story
And another story:
Shootings up 49% in November in Gun-Free Zone of Chicago
Mother mourns another son lost to gunfire
By Jeremy Gorner, Chicago Tribune reporter
December 4, 2012
Thelma Smith was visiting her mother's South Side home Friday night to talk about a birthday party in memory of her son, Samuel Clay, 25, who was shot and killed in April.
After several shots rang out on the next block, Smith rushed over and discovered to her horror that another son, William Lee Martin, 30, had been slain.
The father of six became the latest sad statistic as a violent November came to an end. Shootings jumped to 192 for the month, up 49 percent from 129 a year earlier, according to Police Department records.
They do not get it. Keeping legal guns out of the zone does not stop the thugs and crooks from having them. It just keeps a lawfull citizen form being able to defend their selfs and their house and family if needed.
If a gang banger pulls a gun there he is 99% sure the other persons will be un armed and they can do what they want.
Ret10Echo
12-17-2012, 06:22
Their argument will be that the surrounding areas have guns and supply them to the criminals.... If only the whole state...nay...they whole nation were without guns...then Chicaca would be safe.
Their argument will be that the surrounding areas have guns and supply them to the criminals.... If only the whole state...nay...they whole nation were without guns...then Chicaca would be safe.
Well that does note work...... I live on an island that it is nearly impossible to legally get a gun. You can not fly in with one legally. Well every crook has them and we have the highest murder rate wit and without guns. Go figure..... Gun control is working really well. They are 98% sure when they pull a gun that you will not have one.
It's a damn shame that it's safer in Afghanistan than the streets of Chicago yet, folks looking for employment will not take a job OCONUS; immigrants do it all the time!:eek::confused:
It is most unfortunate for those of us who live in IL far from Chicago yet still have to adhere to their ridiculous rules about firearms, FOID cards, and concealed carry. Thanks for ruining the rest of the state Chicago.
TacOfficer
12-17-2012, 16:55
If you listen to our beloved mayor, rahmbo, aka 9.5 aka tiny dancer, the rest of the nation is just "wrong headed". My brothers in blue and I wish for CCW but the tiny dancer believes the citizens should not have the right to defend themselves. Apparently the constitution doesn't mean much to him.
tiny dancer, .
I giggle every time I hear that. Do you listen to Bruce and Dan?
He is a tool. I don't know how they justify the bans when statistics constantly prove them wrong.
TacOfficer
12-17-2012, 20:54
Sorry, I don't listen to the talk shows. There are those over at the second city cop blog that have a unique way of articulating their disdain for him. I've met Rahm, way back before he was chief of staff for Daley. Even then he struck me as weasel not to be trusted.
For those not familiar with Chicago, please do not assume we are all flaming pain in the ass liberals. As a matter of fact, my favorite bumper stickers came from Mark LaRue.
It is most unfortunate for those of us who live in IL far from Chicago yet still have to adhere to their ridiculous rules about firearms, FOID cards, and concealed carry. Thanks for ruining the rest of the state Chicago.
Well you might as well follow their rules since you gotta pay all their taxes! The FOID cards are freaking stupid as hell! But at least Pat Q, Dicky D, Ms Madigan and Rahm will know where the guns are when they want to make them illegal!
Jason1986
12-27-2012, 19:23
:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-6_Ej9tFnE :munchin
BTW I think the anti-gun biggot at 0:38 may have brain damage. Now I plan on giveing my Glock 19 to my brother who lives near Chitcago for his 21st B-Day. Not because I'm a good Big Brother...but just to tick the liberals in my family off. Plus I can't take it to Basic.
Team Sergeant
12-28-2012, 13:50
500 hundred murders in "Gun Free" Chicago!!!!!! Well done Chicago!
Chicago police backtrack after confirming 500th homicide
By Jeremy Gorner and Peter NickeasTribune reporters
1:31 p.m. CST, December 28, 2012
Hours after Chicago police listed the shooting death of a West Side man as the city’s 500th homicide of the year, the department backtracked and said the city has yet to reach the grim milestone.
Superintendent Garry McCarthy had told the Tribune Thursday afternoon that the homicide count stood at 499. Hours later, Nathaniel T. Jackson, 40, was gunned down outside a store in the Austin neighborhood and the department confirmed Friday morning that his death was the 500th homicide.
But then the department issued a statement calling reports of the tally inaccurate, saying the number remained at 499. Asked for clarification, a spokeswoman for the superintendent said one of the homicide cases from earlier this week has been reclassified as a death investigation.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-2012-homicide-toll-20121228,0,5456581.story
Peregrino
12-28-2012, 17:55
Asked for clarification, a spokeswoman for the superintendent said one of the homicide cases from earlier this week has been reclassified as a death investigation.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-2012-homicide-toll-20121228,0,5456581.story
Talk about the definition of "is". How about splitting the hairs a little finer "Tiny Dancer"?
Jason1986
12-28-2012, 18:42
I'm origionally from the Chicago area. The problem with Chicago is most of it's inhabitants are unreasonable and are very anti-gun and that's the law abiding ones. You can't reason with these people. They are very childish. Another problem is that many people in that area are either thugs, wannabe thugs, or have family members that are such degenerates, and they don't want themselves, or their family, or friends getting shot while robbing you. I'm not kidding. This is seriously a major reason why some people are anti-gun.
I have constantly tried to use John Lott's and Gary Kleck's works on certain family members and friends. When you start to make sence to them they change the subject and will argue with you if you try to change it back even when they brought it up in the first place.
I got a call from my Dad about a year after I moved out there in which he told me that I was right, that a crackhead had broke into his neighbors house across the street while the guys wife was upstairs alone and stole her purse from the kitchin. He told me he was thinking about getting a gun. A couple weeks latter, oh no guns are bad, your nuts, I never said that.
Two drunks attempted to jump me a block away from my house. coming home from the library a little under a mile away. I am very glad I moved.
Hey you peeps still in Illinois can't have a gun...but your "leaders" have 'em!!!
Front-runner ends bid for Jackson's Illinois House seat
http://news.msn.com/politics/front-runner-ends-bid-for-jacksons-illinois-house-seat
CHICAGO — An Illinois state lawmaker who was a front-runner to replace former U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. said Saturday that he's ending his candidacy.
Donne Trotter said he doesn't want felony gun charges he faces to distract from the important issues of his congressional district.
Trotter was arrested Dec. 5 when security screeners at O'Hare International Airport found an unloaded .25-caliber Beretta handgun in his bag.
He told officers he has the gun for a job he works with a security firm and forgot it was in his bag before he went to the airport.
Trotter said solving his district's problems was too important to allow his legal "situation to detract from what needs to be front and center."
Team Sergeant
01-01-2013, 14:10
Socialist leadership, you bet.
Gun Free Chicago how's that gun control law/ban working for ya?:munchin
TS
1 dead, 10 people shot in early hours of new year
Posted: Jan 01, 2013 7:49 AM MSTUpdated: Jan 01, 2013 12:10 PM MST
CHICAGO (Sun-Times Media Wire) -
A West Town neighborhood man became the city's first homicide victim of the New Year, which so far has seen at least ten other people wounded in separate shootings, authorities said.
The first homicide of the New Year occurred when police responded at 3:45 a.m. to a call of a person down in the alley of the 700 block of North Noble Street, police News Affairs Officer Jose Estrada said. Officers discovered a 20-year-old man laying on the ground and bleeding from a gunshot wound to the throat.
Read more: http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/20478869/at-least-9-people-shot-in-early-hours-of-new-year#ixzz2Gkxk3utZ
Ghost_Team
01-01-2013, 20:54
About as well as the gun laws in Mexico where only the police and military are allowed to have auto and semi-auto firearms.
Gun laws are right up there with the liberal fascination with socialism/communism:
"The only reason socialism/communism/gun control has never worked in history is because it hasn't been implemented and resourced the right way. However, the enlightened liberals of today know exactly how to make it work flawlessly."
thrilla82
01-02-2013, 08:52
Found this to be interesting. Can they add any more fuel to the fire?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/01/robert-farago/breaking-illinois-bill-to-ban-all-modern-firearms/
TacOfficer
01-02-2013, 11:45
Could any of the QPs here share the secret of effecting change of a communist/socialist regime.
We have a little problem and the sheeple forgot how to vote. An alternative method maybe needed.
Could any of the QPs here share the secret of effecting change of a communist/socialist regime.
We have a little problem and the sheeple forgot how to vote. An alternative method maybe needed.
No magic strategy, tactics or technique. Simply get somebody to run against the libs who has a set of balls and isn't afraid to be a Conservative.
Sales and Marketing 101 - Need to convince the voters that your Pepsi is better than their Coke.
Sales and Marketing 101 - Need to convince the voters that your Pepsi is better than their Coke.
Doesn't work when one faction doesn't feel they should have to pay for their soda.
We wouldn't have a socialist in control right now if 8 million Conservatives had bothered to get off the couch and vote. Romney couldn't get through to the base because the base wants Conservatism, not ingratiation.
What we need to start doing right now is open up all the intrigue surrounding Hillary Clinton, and/or begin to expose the faults of any other commie the libs prop up for 2016 while finding a strong rep for our side, then run interference for him for four years (if the Country doesn't go tits up during that time).
To paraphrase Maggie again, "Socialism's fine until you run out of other people's money".
It frankly amazes me that people can't understand that Chicago is a microcosm of the way this Country as a whole will be under the current leadership.
TacOfficer
01-02-2013, 16:52
Doesn't work when one faction doesn't feel they should have to pay for their soda.
We wouldn't have a socialist in control right now if 8 million Conservatives had bothered to get off the couch and vote. Romney couldn't get through to the base because the base wants Conservatism, not ingratiation.
What we need to start doing right now is open up all the intrigue surrounding Hillary Clinton, and/or begin to expose the faults of any other commie the libs prop up for 2016 while finding a strong rep for our side, then run interference for him for four years (if the Country doesn't go tits up during that time).
To paraphrase Maggie again, "Socialism's fine until you run out of other people's money".
It frankly amazes me that people can't understand that Chicago is a microcosm of the way this Country as a whole will be under the current leadership.
The disappointing fact here is there are so many examples throughout the world of failed policies and yet our brand of socialist thinks theirs is different and altruistic. Those receiving hand outs, just keep taking and taking. So much the better that the tax payers can't defend themselves against criminals and tyrants. I believe somebody before said it best: Gun control is not about guns, but Control.
The disappointing fact here is there are so many examples throughout the world of failed policies and yet our brand of socialist thinks theirs is different and altruistic. Those receiving hand outs, just keep taking and taking. So much the better that the tax payers can't defend themselves against criminals and tyrants. I believe somebody before said it best: Gun control is not about guns, but Control.
Well, my hat's off to you for what you do.
TacOfficer
01-02-2013, 17:41
Well, my hat's off to you for what you do.
Thank you, That is truly high praise, and I am humbled.
Dozer523
01-02-2013, 17:51
Have you ever been to Chicago?
It is this awesome fun town with a million things to do. Great places to eat, incredible music, It is pretty and exciting and vibrant with world class museums and universities; and a big lake that thinks and acts like an ocean. There is a music festival on the waterfront in the summer and the El is a blast.
People are so nice, they smile all the time and are friendly and helpful.
In the wintertime the weather can be so awful people are forced to abandon their cars on the main drag (last winter our Ski Patrol was asked to help rescue people only we couldn't get there!)
They have the Bears, and the Cubbies (God Bless em and you Big Teddy) and the Bulls were awesome (I hate the White Soxs).
Chicago is 5 hours by train from me and that's right where I like em. Five hours away. Close enough that I can go anytime I want and far enough away that I can point to the north and laugh when someone asks me about Chicago. We let em put Illinois on the address but we don't claim em and they don't care. We refer to them as the Fifty First State. They are like a weird loveable brother that does everything to extreme. You love him and are sure he'd be "just fine" if he got a job and stopped running with that bad crowd. :)
Socialist leadership, you bet.
Gun Free Chicago how's that gun control law/ban working for ya?:munchin
TS
1 dead, 10 people shot in early hours of new year
Posted: Jan 01, 2013 7:49 AM MSTUpdated: Jan 01, 2013 12:10 PM MST
CHICAGO (Sun-Times Media Wire) -
A West Town neighborhood man became the city's first homicide victim of the New Year, which so far has seen at least ten other people wounded in separate shootings, authorities said.
The first homicide of the New Year occurred when police responded at 3:45 a.m. to a call of a person down in the alley of the 700 block of North Noble Street, police News Affairs Officer Jose Estrada said. Officers discovered a 20-year-old man laying on the ground and bleeding from a gunshot wound to the throat.
Read more: http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/20478869/at-least-9-people-shot-in-early-hours-of-new-year#ixzz2Gkxk3utZ
Wow, I used to love to visit Chicago, as it was my mom's home-town...don't think I will be going baack anytime soon though...:(
How sad.
Holly
Team Sergeant
01-02-2013, 18:25
The disappointing fact here is there are so many examples throughout the world of failed policies and yet our brand of socialist thinks theirs is different and altruistic. Those receiving hand outs, just keep taking and taking. So much the better that the tax payers can't defend themselves against criminals and tyrants. I believe somebody before said it best: Gun control is not about guns, but Control.
Well said.
Chicago, Wash DC, both gun free and both murder capitals for decades. I've only been to Chicago a few times but I've been to Wash DC a few dozen times and every time I've gone there and stayed the night I've heard gunfire. And that as recent as last year.
Take away the guns and the crime skyrockets. Don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out.
Jason1986
01-03-2013, 06:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WbfZVfv9fI
Jason1986
01-03-2013, 06:34
Have you ever been to Chicago?
They have the Bears, and the Cubbies (God Bless em and you Big Teddy) and the Bulls were awesome (I hate the White Soxs).
The best of Da Super Fans on SNL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769A4mUY7g0:D
FYI...I talk like that, have a big bushy mustache, used to be told all the time that I look like Farley, and used to weigh over 400 pounds.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/02/illinois-dems-press-forward-with-gun-control-bills-firearms-group-warns-no/
I guess these demlibs believe everybody is a potential mass murderer...
Illinois Senate Democrats advanced legislation late Wednesday to restrict semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, pressing forward with new gun control measures in the waning days of the session over the objections of firearms groups.
Amid the developments, the Illinois State Rifle Association issued an “urgent alert” to its members warning them that Democratic legislators were trying to push through last-minute anti-gun legislation.
“There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering,” the group stated in its alert. “You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the state police and avoid prosecution.”
A Senate committee approved two bills, one dealing with the weapons and the other with magazines. Democratic supporters could face a tough sell in the full Senate.
One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.
National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.
"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.
The other bill, introduced by Democratic state Sen. Dan Kotowski, would limit ammunition magazines to 10 or fewer rounds.
Those pushing for enhanced restrictions say stricter rules are needed in the wake of a string of high-profile mass shootings -- most recently the deadly school shooting in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn had been trying earlier this year to pass new legislation in the wake of the Colorado movie theater shooting, but lawmakers are taking another crack at it.
Kotowski sponsored legislation in 2007 that would have prohibited assault weapons and .50-caliber rifles. His bill made it through a Senate committee but died on the floor.
Another Democratic state lawmaker, Antonio Munoz, introduced the ban on all assault weapons “designed for war.” (lol Brown Bess? 1903/A4? M1? What?!)
Quinn has repeatedly tried to get stricter laws on the books but has fallen short.
The state Senate got back to work Wednesday. The House plans to return Monday. Both legislative bodies are working against a Jan. 9 deadline -- when the state’s new General Assembly will be sworn-in.
Gun manufactures in Illinois have already threatened to leave the area if laws limiting guns are put in place. ArmaLite owner Mark Westrom told FoxNews.com that he’s been fielding offers from at least two others states to move his operation if gun control laws in Illinois are pushed through.
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National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.
If I correctly recall, there are ~315 million people in the United States and ~300 million firearms. I'm quite sure that the number of firearms owned by citizens and criminals alike has jumped significantly in the last couple of weeks.
This is ludicrous at the state level, absolute insanity at the federal level.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/02/illinois-dems-press-forward-with-gun-control-bills-firearms-group-warns-no/
I guess these demlibs believe everybody is a potential mass murderer...
Illinois Senate Democrats advanced legislation late Wednesday to restrict semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity magazines, pressing forward with new gun control measures in the waning days of the session over the objections of firearms groups.
Amid the developments, the Illinois State Rifle Association issued an “urgent alert” to its members warning them that Democratic legislators were trying to push through last-minute anti-gun legislation.
“There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering,” the group stated in its alert. “You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the state police and avoid prosecution.”
A Senate committee approved two bills, one dealing with the weapons and the other with magazines. Democratic supporters could face a tough sell in the full Senate.
One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.
National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.
"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.
The other bill, introduced by Democratic state Sen. Dan Kotowski, would limit ammunition magazines to 10 or fewer rounds.
Those pushing for enhanced restrictions say stricter rules are needed in the wake of a string of high-profile mass shootings -- most recently the deadly school shooting in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn had been trying earlier this year to pass new legislation in the wake of the Colorado movie theater shooting, but lawmakers are taking another crack at it.
Kotowski sponsored legislation in 2007 that would have prohibited assault weapons and .50-caliber rifles. His bill made it through a Senate committee but died on the floor.
Another Democratic state lawmaker, Antonio Munoz, introduced the ban on all assault weapons “designed for war.” (lol Brown Bess? 1903/A4? M1? What?!)
Quinn has repeatedly tried to get stricter laws on the books but has fallen short.
The state Senate got back to work Wednesday. The House plans to return Monday. Both legislative bodies are working against a Jan. 9 deadline -- when the state’s new General Assembly will be sworn-in.
Gun manufactures in Illinois have already threatened to leave the area if laws limiting guns are put in place. ArmaLite owner Mark Westrom told FoxNews.com that he’s been fielding offers from at least two others states to move his operation if gun control laws in Illinois are pushed through.
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With that sort of logic Illinois is bound to be annexed by California, our country is going mad one state at a time. BTW I have visited Chicago numerous times and as Dozer stated there are any number of world class attractions and things to do there, I just wouldn't want to get shot there. A person visiting there needs to be aware of their surroundings and avoid shortcuts across the Southside in order to save time, I will never do that again.
I agree with all that Dozer said, especially about the White Sox. Chicago is an awesome town. I'll take it any day of the week over LA and especially NYC.
I grew up in a small (then, now a large suburb) town 45 miles NW of downtown. I tell people we were close enough to be affected by it's culture but far enough away not to be effected by it's taxes.
It's a shame what has become of my beloved town. :mad:
Here's the latest victim of this so called "gun-free" city. :(
Beloved Chicago muffler store owner city’s fifth homicide of new year
A revered Chicago muffler shop owner became the city’s fifth homicide of 2013, but not before calling his son to let him know he was shot, MyFoxChicago.com reported.
"They shot me in the back," Michael Kozel, 57, the owner Independent Muffler Shop in the city's Southwest Side, told his adult son. Those were his last words he said.
The son, who wished to remain anonymous, said he raced to his dad's shop, only to find Kozel in the back of an ambulance. Kozel was pronounced dead shortly after 9 p.m., according to the Cook County Medical Examiner's office.
Investigators say two men pretending to be customers walked into the shop Wednesday at about 5:25 p.m. The men attempted to rob Kozel and one of his employees. One of the robbers shot Kozel in the back, as he was trying to get to safety.
Kozel's son said his father was a very generous person. He said if you didn't have money to pay for the work on your car, he was the kind of person that would just work out some kind of deal for you, because he understood that's how people were.
"My dad would fix the car and say, ‘I'll see you in a month.' What shop does that in Chicago these days?" his son said.
Kozel and his wife were married for more than three decades.
"He had a lot of plans to travel — wherever my mom wanted to go," the son said. "As long as it was with my mom, and it made her happy."
Kozel had a life-long love of fast cars with big engines.
"He liked cars that went from zero to 60 and just threw you back in the seat," his son said.
Police reported no arrests in the case Thursday morning.
Chicago is still reeling from more than five hundred murders in 2012, and the homicides are already out-pacing the days of this new year.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/03/beloved-chicago-muffler-store-owner-citys-fifth-homicide-new-year/?test=latestnews
Team Sergeant
01-04-2013, 11:35
“There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering,” the group stated in its alert. “You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the state police and avoid prosecution.”
If and when they past this "law" if I were a cop I'd tell the politicians who passed this law they have to go and collect the guns from the law abiding citizens. ;)
Keep pushing and watch what happens when the right "snaps".
TacOfficer
01-04-2013, 12:37
“There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering,” the group stated in its alert. “You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the state police and avoid prosecution.”
If and when they past this "law" if I were a cop I'd tell the politicians who passed this law they have to go and collect the guns from the law abiding citizens. ;)
Keep pushing and watch what happens when the right "snaps".
Would it surprise you at the amount of descretion an officer has?
How fast did the state legislature kill this bill. The ink wasn't even dry. I realize there was a ban in the past. I just don't see it happening now. In chicago it's all political posturing. They scream from the pulpit and take the money behind the church and tell the people "we tried, but those darn lobbyist keep giving us money"
Streck-Fu
01-04-2013, 13:31
If and when they past this "law" if I were a cop I'd tell the politicians who passed this law they have to go and collect the guns from the law abiding citizens. ;)
But how many would actually do that? Or would they let the SWAT team kick down doors at 2 am....
Much like the War on Drugs, SWAT teams are being used against casual recreational users more than hardened armed gangs as in New Jack City.
Much like the simple possession of a weed warrants an armed raid in full kit, why should we expect police officers to not embrace this new prohibition?
Much like the simple possession of a weed warrants an armed raid in full kit, why should we expect police officers to not embrace this new prohibition?
Pot heads don't usaully shoot back!
Team Sergeant has a point Streck Fu. Police officers have a lot of authority to do/or not do things at their own discretion. I'll give you a real life example. A local City's Chief asked his officers to give more traffic tickets last year. The officers didn't do what they were asked and they are still employed by the department and cannot be fired because they didn't do what the Chief asked of them.
The Police officers' duty is to do what is lawful, ethical, and moral. Just because the higher ups decide that a gun confiscation is lawful, doesn't make it so in the eyes of the Police officer working the beat.
Confiscation would only happen at a Federal Level if a nation wide ban were introduced. Good luck FBI, ATF. There are a lot more gun owners out there who will die for their right than there are Federal Police willing to enforce such a law.
In my opinion, the best thing any of us can do is join the NRA. They're not perfect, but they're the biggest 2A advocate.
But how many would actually do that? Or would they let the SWAT team kick down doors at 2 am....
85-year-old man in jail, accused of felony assault for hitting person with his cane (http://kdvr.com/2013/01/03/85-year-old-man-in-jail-accused-of-felony-assault-for-hitting-person-with-his-cane/)
ZonieDiver
01-04-2013, 14:22
But how many would actually do that? Or would they let the SWAT team kick down doors at 2 am....
Much like the War on Drugs, SWAT teams are being used against casual recreational users more than hardened armed gangs as in New Jack City.
Much like the simple possession of a weed warrants an armed raid in full kit, why should we expect police officers to not embrace this new prohibition? (Bolding is mine.)
Do you have some links/stats to back up that statement?
Just wondering...
Team Sergeant
01-04-2013, 14:41
(Bolding is mine.)
Do you have some links/stats to back up that statement?
Just wondering...
Come on why, this is the same nanny state that wanted to ban sugary drinks.....anything is possible in NYC.;)
Do you have some links/stats to back up that statement?
So I guess Google is broken on your computer? I found a bunch with a three word search.
ZonieDiver
01-05-2013, 10:31
So I guess Google is broken on your computer? I found a bunch with a three word search.
No, my Google works fine, thanks! I, too, found a lot of references - many repeats of the same incident, and many about "meth labs" (hardly recreational). The post I question inferred that SWAT teams were targeting 'recreational users' (what the hell does that mean, and who decides - these 'pro-pot' sites?) MORE than armed gangs.
That is pretty specific, and I wondered if he had data to back it up. I have yet to find anything substantive. Some blogs refer to people WITH the data, but never seem to post the actual numbers their 'reliable sources' have compiled.
If you do, throw an old man a bone, and post a link.
(I kind of thought that's what we did here,, but maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.:D )
Noslack71
01-05-2013, 11:12
:DPot heads don't usaully shoot back!
18C: I used to be a Cop in Wash DC (pre SWAT so, the Patrol Officers handled everything the Detectives did not) when we had a barricade situation with a drunk, the odds were pretty good we would have to breech the place and someone was going to get hurt. When we had a barricade situation with Pot Heads, we would throw in a couple bags of Doritos and a quart of ice cream, wait fifteen minutes and everything was "Cool"!:D
Noslack
TacOfficer
01-07-2013, 07:24
But how many would actually do that? Or would they let the SWAT team kick down doors at 2 am....
Much like the War on Drugs, SWAT teams are being used against casual recreational users more than hardened armed gangs as in New Jack City.
Much like the simple possession of a weed warrants an armed raid in full kit, why should we expect police officers to not embrace this new prohibition?
Well, from a practical point of view, Man Power would be one reason they're not spending their time chasing good guys in violation of compliance laws. The police have a hard enough time responding to calls for service "Jr ain't eating his breakfast" or "little sister not listen'in to me", "come raise my children". Nanny state, there is a certain population that demands it. The second reason, there is enough violent crime to keep the police busy. If these laws were to be enacted, they would be prioritized into the garbage.
If these laws were to be enacted, they would be prioritized into the garbage.
Except when the Fed's dole out special (taxpayer) funds to target a specific crime/violation i.e. DUI, failure to pull into the next lane or slow for a parked on the shoulder unmarked police vehicle with/without lights on, etc.
If you do, throw an old man a bone, and post a link. (I kind of thought that's what we did here,, but maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.)
Nope, I'm all about sharing. Maybe I'm an overly sensitive sort, but when the request comes in the form of "Do you have some links/stats to back up that statement?", it sounds more a challenge than a request.
That said...
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20404271/swat-team-seizes-drugs-cash-in-raid-at-la-vergne-home
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/feb/23/family-questions-swat-drug-search-that-led-to/
http://www.krdo.com/news/CSPD-SWAT-Team-Raids-MMJ-Patients-Home/-/417220/14814912/-/rx8vylz/-/index.html
http://itemonline.com/local/x1202024468/SWAT-raid-on-home-nets-8-ounces-of-marijuana-frightens-neighbors
It's complicated - and so it goes...
Richard :munchin
4 Copy Editors Killed In Ongoing AP Style, Chicago Manual Gang Violence
Onion, 7 Jan 2013
Law enforcement officials confirmed Friday that four more copy editors were killed this week amid ongoing violence between two rival gangs divided by their loyalties to the The Associated Press Stylebook and The Chicago Manual Of Style. “At this time we have reason to believe the killings were gang-related and carried out by adherents of both the AP and Chicago styles, part of a vicious, bloody feud to establish control over the grammar and usage guidelines governing American English,” said FBI spokesman Paul Holstein, showing reporters graffiti tags in which the word “anti-social” had been corrected to read “antisocial.” “The deadly territory dispute between these two organizations, as well as the notorious MLA Handbook gang, has claimed the lives of more than 63 publishing professionals this year alone.” Officials also stated that an innocent 35-year-old passerby who found himself caught up in a long-winded dispute over use of the serial, or Oxford, comma had died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/4-copy-editors-killed-in-ongoing-ap-style-chicago,30806/?ref=auto?ref=auto
It's complicated - and so it goes...
Richard :munchin
4 Copy Editors Killed In Ongoing AP Style, Chicago Manual Gang Violence
Onion, 7 Jan 2013
Law enforcement officials confirmed Friday that four more copy editors were killed this week amid ongoing violence between two rival gangs divided by their loyalties to the The Associated Press Stylebook and The Chicago Manual Of Style. “At this time we have reason to believe the killings were gang-related and carried out by adherents of both the AP and Chicago styles, part of a vicious, bloody feud to establish control over the grammar and usage guidelines governing American English,” said FBI spokesman Paul Holstein, showing reporters graffiti tags in which the word “anti-social” had been corrected to read “antisocial.” “The deadly territory dispute between these two organizations, as well as the notorious MLA Handbook gang, has claimed the lives of more than 63 publishing professionals this year alone.” Officials also stated that an innocent 35-year-old passerby who found himself caught up in a long-winded dispute over use of the serial, or Oxford, comma had died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/4-copy-editors-killed-in-ongoing-ap-style-chicago,30806/?ref=auto?ref=auto
Being "spiked" has to be a horrible way to go. :eek:
Pat
TacOfficer
01-07-2013, 18:33
Except when the Fed's dole out special (taxpayer) funds to target a specific crime/violation i.e. DUI, failure to pull into the next lane or slow for a parked on the shoulder unmarked police vehicle with/without lights on, etc.
You must be referring to the taxpayer money the Feds allocated to the CPD for the NATO summit last May that the Department didn't even see and Rahm diverted to the new Maggie Daley Memorial Park:
http://www.magellandevelopment.com/newest-parks-in-chicago-maggie-daley-at-north-grant-park/
Even the "special" missions they give us are a smoke and mirrors numbers game. Surely the big army has the same issue?
ZonieDiver
01-08-2013, 09:44
Nope, I'm all about sharing. Maybe I'm an overly sensitive sort, but when the request comes in the form of "Do you have some links/stats to back up that statement?", it sounds more a challenge than a request.
That said...
http://www.newschannel5.com/story/20404271/swat-team-seizes-drugs-cash-in-raid-at-la-vergne-home
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2010/feb/23/family-questions-swat-drug-search-that-led-to/
http://www.krdo.com/news/CSPD-SWAT-Team-Raids-MMJ-Patients-Home/-/417220/14814912/-/rx8vylz/-/index.html
http://itemonline.com/local/x1202024468/SWAT-raid-on-home-nets-8-ounces-of-marijuana-frightens-neighbors
Was there a challenge in my response to the post, along with a request? Sure, there was! Why? I thought his statement needed a challenge.
It seemed to me that he was alleging that local LEA SWAT team drug raids were being targeted MORE toward "recreational" drug users instead of "armed drug gangs" ala "New Jack City". I thought that was quite an overreach and wished to challenge his assumption, unless he could provide data to support it.
Prior to posting, I made a search and came up with stories such as the ones you posted above. Of the four you found, (at least to my reading) they contain one (the first one) that definitely is NOT "recreational" in nature.
Another (the second one) really doesn't have enough information to determine if it fits into either category.
I'll admit that the third one is very questionable, but when the LEOs found that one of the residents had a prior felony weapons 'charge' I won't blame them for exercising caution.
The final one probably fits the description of "recreational" in today's culture - though I'm old and "back in the day" I think 8 ounces would definitely have been considered "possession for sale". Perhaps today's dopers are becoming like today's weapons enthusiasts and are "stocking up" prior to price increases or confiscation. :D
Of the four, two are from 2012, one from 2011, and the other from 2010. Four over a three year period is hardly and indication of a some kind of trend. My research yielded results much like yours, over a 7 year period... inconclusive.
I did find a source (from 2006) that discusses the numbers of SWAT raids, and how they have proliferated since the 1980s, which I do not dispute.
http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america
Most of it was anecdotal reports on raids, many of which were "over-the-top" in use of force for the situation. However, even it failed to contain data about "recreational" vs. "armed drug gangs".
I guess they have to justify the expense of these teams, which (as has been stated) have grown due to access to federal monies and assistance. That said, what would the local citizenry say IF an event occurred in town and the local PD had to wait until the SWAT team from the 'big city' arrived to deal with it?
Still, in all the research I've done, and the addtional sources you provided, I have seen nothing that justifies or verifies this statement:
SWAT teams are being used against casual recreational users more than hardened armed gangs
So, I'll stand by my original challenge/request.
(I thought I was the "overly sensitive sort" here! :D)
I agree...inconclusive, but also not improbable. In the case of a tie, benefit goes to the individual over the government. ;)
Another one of Barry's stooges speaks. Ladies and Gents, I give you the top cop in Chicago. :rolleyes:
Chicago Top Cop Says People Lawfully Carrying Guns Will Be Shot As a Result of His Training
You’ve been duly warned, citizen: “I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”
Chicago police superintendent Garry McCarthy said if a concealed carry law passed in Illinois, he expected people lawfully carrying guns in Chicago would be shot by the police.
Really. He said that:
“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”
Officers don’t have to wait to get shot to return fire?
Do they at least have to wait for the gun to become a threat, or do they have carte blanche to start perforating anyone with a gun on the street?
I mean, they should at least tell the person with the gun they are there and to drop the weapon. A law abiding citizen would not be a threat to officers, so unless they are shooting at anything that spooks them, there shouldn’t be a lot of unnecessary shootings.
McCarthy would not say what specific training officers will undertake if any. However, he did admit that in the past his department has made mistakes in shooting unarmed civilians. He believes the concealed carry law will increase those types of unfortunate incidents.
“You say concealed carry I say Trayvon Martin. Police officers make mistakes all the time,” McCarthy said. “We spend six months in the police academy, six months of field training and ongoing training on a regular basis and the fact is once in a while we’re going to shoot someone with a cellphone; we’re going to shoot somebody with a flashlight and none of that is okay. But now you take John Q. Civilian, you give them six weeks or 10 weeks of training and you say ‘have at it?’ The fact is more guns are not the solution to the firearm gun violence problem in this country. Less guns and reasonable gun laws are. And just because it’s 49 states to one doesn’t mean the state of Illinois is wrong on that one.”
Oh perfect. He actually said cops shoot innocent people all the time.
So yeah, law abiding people probably will be shot, only not by cowboys with concealed carry permits. They will be shot by the cops.
That’s an astonishing amount of fail. Impressive, actually.
It’s like his mind if purging itself of stupid and it’s coming out of his mouth.
In what world do you tell people that you’re supervising people who make life-ending mistakes, all the time, and then in the next breath tell them the incompetents killing people armed with flashlights are the only folks who should have guns?
Answer? Chicago.
And this guy is leading the police there.
http://www.libertynews.com/2013/01/chicago-top-cop-expects-people-lawfully-carrying-guns-will-be-shot-by-mistake-prone-police/
Streck-Fu
01-11-2013, 10:27
Was there a challenge in my response to the post, along with a request? Sure, there was! Why? I thought his statement needed a challenge.
It seemed to me that he was alleging that local LEA SWAT team drug raids were being targeted MORE toward "recreational" drug users instead of "armed drug gangs" ala "New Jack City". I thought that was quite an overreach and wished to challenge his assumption, unless he could provide data to support it.
Perhaps I was in error by phrasing it that way. I did not mean to imply intentional targeting of recreational drug rather, they were initiating raids based on bad intelligence causing them hit more recreational drug users....
Here is a pretty humorous example of Keystone Drug Raid: LINK (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-10/news/ct-met-cop-raid-verdict-0811-20120811_1_informant-chicago-cop-search-warrant)
One significant trend that is problematic is the reliance on 'tips' from people they arrest. Where is the diligence in verifying the claim? Sorry no time for they, they may be flushing it down the toilet now....Go git 'em.
Or they just lie: LINK (http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-city-officer-perjury-20121101,0,6611024.story)
Or the residents fall victim to the way drugs are mailed: LINK (http://newssun.suntimes.com/news/15211604-418/cops-leave-beach-park-home-in-shambles-after-drug-raid-goes-awry.html)
Which went exactly like this (which I think I already mentioned): LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012302935.html)
Baltimore Sun did a study on the use of Tactical Teams. I doubt the trend has gone down much: LINK (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/02/tactical_raids_common_in_area.html)
A Prince George's County police spokeswoman told me that even in cases where minor crimes are alleged, most are for drugs, and police assume there are weapons. That makes a tactical entry necessary.
And when they do make mistakes, Police Administration says stuff like this: LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/18/AR2009111803872.html)
My deputies did their jobs to the fullest extent of their abilities.
Another question about due diligence through investigation followed by inventing information: LINK (http://www.kpho.com/story/20142545/depositions-show-contradictions-in-fatal-swat-raid)
Yeah ... because the gun laws in Chicago are so lax now that we need more.
:munchin
Chicago council members mull even tougher gun laws for city
Chicago City Council members meeting Wednesday will vote on expanding the city’s already-strict gun laws, just two days after a 6-month-old girl was fatally shot in a gang-related incident.
The girl, Jonylah Watkins, was shot and killed while her father, Jonathan, changed her diaper in the back of his parked minivan. Police on Tuesday said Mr. Watkins, who was shot and injured in the Monday drive-by, too, had a lengthy criminal background that included gang ties, FOX 32 News reports. As police continue their investigation, city officials are trying to ramp up gun policies.
The Council votes Wednesday on a proposal to expand the city’s gun offender registry and database, NBC Chicago reports. The legislation would require any city resident convicted of a violent gun-related crime to register with city police — much as sex offenders do. They would also have to keep in touch with police and have their registration reviewed every four years, NBC says.
The registry requirement would apply to even those with gun-related convictions from elsewhere who move into the city — not just those who commit crimes with guns inside city limits, NBC reports.
The city’s proposal mirrors what Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants on a statewide basis, NBC says. He said he’d like to see a law mandating all handguns in the state be registered with police, to give them “essential information about guns used to commit a crime, reduce illegal firearm transfers and create a fair system of accountability for gun owners,” NBC quotes.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/13/chicago-council-members-mull-even-tougher-gun-laws/
Yeah ... because the gun laws in Chicago are so lax now that we need more.
:munchin
And they are going to get the money from where to enforce this? They must have gotten the idea from Kalifornia.
And they are going to get the money from where to enforce this?
From the already overtaxed citizens, silly.
psherlin
03-13-2013, 19:17
The national news,CBS, was wondering why Chicago had 4x the murder rate of New York City so they sent in their investigative reporters. They found that New York City will send a felon with a gun to local jail for 3 to five years, Chicago usually does not prosecute, and when they do, 33% get over turned. The Feds give out five years no parole where ever there is room. Richmond, VA started enforcing that one current Fed Law and saw the murder rate go down 41% THE FIRST YEAR. It is called Project Exile.
If you check out the numbers, the states with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest crime rates, while the ones with the least restrictive have the lowest.
I could be bias because I am a Concealed Handgun Safety Instructor for Arkansas since 1995, but using that massive education the VA gave me I figured it out all by myself.
ddoering
03-13-2013, 19:43
"create a fair system of accountability for gun owners,”
Isn't that special. Another attempt at fairness......:munchin
More gun free Chicago fun time!
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/30/breaking-chicago-police-swarm-mag-mile-wilding-scene/
Some day the sheep there might open their eyes and realize that their policies do not work..........
Some day the sheep there might open their eyes and realize that their policies do not work..........
I doubt it, too much kool aid consumption.
The Reaper
03-31-2013, 19:13
I doubt it, too much kool aid consumption.
Concur.
TR
This Chi-town douche killed his own Grandfather for some new gym shoes, a cellphone and tattoos.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/19185539-418/police-grandson-killed-robbed-72-year-old-man-who-was-headed-to-dialysis.html
Maybe it is time for GOD to pull a Sodom and Gomorrah on that place!
I found this interesting, Chicago even bans Museums from displaying guns produced 1898 and after.
The Field Museum, one of the the city's largest, has a historic gun collection in its archives but has never considered displaying it, said museum spokeswoman Nancy O'Shea.
"They're just artifacts in our collection," O'Shea said. "They can be accessed and studied [by] researchers who would find them interesting."
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130508/downtown/ban-on-displaying-guns-at-city-museums-should-be-lifted-ald-burke-says
Well now the Sheriff will decide who has rights and who doesn't. Hate to break it to him, but it is already the wild wild west. :rolleyes: Jackass.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/19919549-418/sheriff-dart-plans-concealed-carry-ordinance-for-county-if-legislature-fails-to-act.html
Updated: May 6, 2013 12:13PM
Sheriff Tom Dart said Sunday that he is proposing a concealed-carry gun ordinance to keep Cook County from becoming the “Wild West.”
Dart said he’s worried about a stalemate in the General Assembly on a law to license people to carry concealed guns. If legislators don’t meet a June 9 court deadline to pass such a law, anyone with a state firearm owner’s identification card could legally walk anywhere in public with a concealed weapon, Dart said.
“We would have the Wild West,” he said. “There would be no regulation.”
Dart said he’s proposing a concealed-carry law for Cook County that would take effect only if the General Assembly failed to act by June 9 and the court didn’t extend the deadline.
“I was in Springfield for 11 years,” Dart said of his time as a legislator. “Deadlines sometimes don’t mean anything. We have to be prepared in the event something does not get done.”
Dart’s ordinance would give him the power to approve and reject licenses to carry concealed guns in Cook County. Applicants would have to pay a $300 fee for a license.
Dart said he thinks the ordinance would apply not only to Cook County suburbs, but also to the city of Chicago in the absence of a state law governing concealed carrying of guns.
Chicago Police spokesman Adam Collins said: “If a statewide law is not passed, the city is preparing to implement a comprehensive concealed-carry ordinance to ensure that guns stay out of the hands of criminals.”
Illinois is the only state that does not have a law allowing people to carry concealed firearms.
The National Rifle Association sees the issue as key to its national agenda of protecting Second Amendment gun rights.
The NRA and other gun-rights advocates would like to see legislation that authorizes concealed-carry licenses for anyone who undergoes the necessary training and passes a background check. Those are commonly called “shall issue” licenses.
But Dart and other gun-control activists want to retain more control over who gets the licenses and where gun owners can carry their weapons in public. Those are called “may issue” licenses.
Under Dart’s proposed “may issue” ordinance, he would grant licenses only to people who demonstrate a need to carry a firearm for protection.
Dart said he recently spoke to elderly people in the south suburbs. They complained that the police were unresponsive. Some said they were regularly burglarized while they attended church.
“It’s a matter of timing,” Dart said, noting that those people could have become homicide victims if they came home during a burglary.
Those are the types of people who might show a need for a concealed-carry permit, Dart said. But someone without a specific need for a gun would have difficulty receiving a license, he said.
Business owners who could hire armed security for protection also might have a hard time getting a license, Dart said.
The proposed ordinance would ban concealed weapons in many public places, including mass transit, schools, child-care facilities, sporting venues, hospitals, government buildings and police stations. Businesses could restrict concealed weapons by displaying a sign.
Dart said the $300 application fee would pay for the employees he would have to hire to process license requests.
The June 9 deadline for a concealed-carry law was set after the Seventh U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in December that Illinois’ ban on public gun possession was unconstitutional. “The Supreme Court has decided that the [2nd] amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside,” the Seventh Circuit wrote.
Attorney General Lisa Madigan has until June 24 to decide whether she will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to consider the appeals court’s ruling.
She hasn’t said whether she will, but her office argued in a court filing that the Seventh Circuit ruling conflicted with other decisions.
Team Sergeant
05-10-2013, 22:29
Well now the Sheriff will decide who has rights and who doesn't. Hate to break it to him, but it is already the wild wild west. :rolleyes: Jackass.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/19919549-418/sheriff-dart-plans-concealed-carry-ordinance-for-county-if-legislature-fails-to-act.html
Updated: May 6, 2013 12:13PM
Chicago Police spokesman Adam Collins said: “If a statewide law is not passed, the city is preparing to implement a comprehensive concealed-carry ordinance to ensure that guns stay out of the hands of criminals.”
Illinois is the only state that does not have a law allowing people to carry concealed firearms.
Now that's some very funny stuff right there.....
Chicago Police spokesman Adam Collins you're a complete idiot.
Chicago is reality TV at its purest level.
$300???
Mighty steep fee for the poor folks to come up with.
Lot of hoops in addition to the fee for poor folks to jump through.
So comply - or carry illegally and hope you don't get stopped.
Pass enough laws and we all become criminals.
Well, at least the D's will be fighting for you to keep/get your voting rights.
ddoering
05-11-2013, 18:44
It does seem racist in that it will keep the poor, minority underclass from exercising their 2d amendment rights. What they need is a community organizer to come to their aid. Anyone know one that is familiar with the area?
Badger52
05-11-2013, 19:41
Ahh, nothing like lack of control to produce unbridled fear in control freaks.
I hope IL voters do not "settle" for this horsehockey idea; stick literally to your guns. Following a State SC decision here some years back the SC fell short of nullifying the CC prohibition statute but informed the legislature in no uncertain terms that they would review and if no equitable mechanism was passed they would upon the very next case - which was already pending.
Open carry? Concealed carry? If you can own it you can tote it? :eek:
A shall-issue law was produced most rikki-tik and, with a nice ring to it, in "bi-partisan fashion."
It does seem racist in that it will keep the poor, minority underclass from exercising their 2d amendment rights. What they need is a community organizer to come to their aid. Anyone know one that is familiar with the area?
No, but there is a nice, empty mansion at 5046 S Greenwood Ave in Kenwood. If some of those Cook County underprivileged feel trapped in the wild wild west, they should take a trip over to S Greenwood for a luxurious timeout. :D
And so it goes...
Richard
Need a handgun in Chicago? Here are 1,300 options (interactive)
Chris Wilson’s Yahoo! News column examines the stories that are told by the numbers and data we see in the news.
http://news.yahoo.com/armslist-data-1300-handguns-in-chicago-interactive-183156282.html#interactive
Streck-Fu
05-15-2013, 08:21
Well, that article was a bunch of misleading f hooey. I hope the case against Armslist fails.
That question is quite literally on trial in Cook County, Ill., Circuit Court, where the family of Smirnov’s victim is now suing ArmsList.com, alleging that the site facilitates unlawful interstate gun sales because it has "designed its site to not require the input of any verifiable identification by buyers or sellers, such as a driver’s license number, to demonstrate residency in a particular state."
If a seller does not verify residency, they deserve to be prosecuted, though I hold the opinion that sales across state lines should be permitted.
TacOfficer
07-08-2013, 08:12
Just thought I would post this before someone else did.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/08/authorities-at-least-dead-dozens-wounded-in-chicago-during-holiday-weekend/?test=latestnews
Furthermore, our potato head governor is pushing though an amendment for more restrictions to an already restricted CCW bill passed by the state legislature.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-quinn-writes-stricter-rules-into-concealed-carry-bill-20130702,0,7934500.story
Rome continues to burn. :boohoo
Team Sergeant
07-08-2013, 10:59
Just thought I would post this before someone else did.
Rome continues to burn. :boohoo
Gun free Chicago, a left-wing socialist, enclave of entitlement/drug/gang violence. The left-wing libs cannot control it because they are spineless wimps. Soon it will spill over into white collar Chicago, then and only then will the left-wing attempt to control the violence, or say they are doing something.
Top Cop 'Disappointed' with Continuing Violence, But Says Rahm Has His Back
By Ted Cox and Erica Demarest on July 8, 2013 7:08am | Updated 16 mins ago
ENGLEWOOD — Chicago's top cop, "disappointed" with the long, violent stretch of days surrounding the July 4th holiday, said Mayor Rahm Emanuel still has his back.
"I'm absolutely positive that I enjoy the mayor's confidence," Chicago Police Supt. Garry McCarthy told reporters Monday morning. "This past week we've been disappointed."
Since Wednesday afternoon, 11 people have been killed and at least 61 wounded in violence around the city.
But McCarthy noted this year's homicide total is down by 76 victims compared to this time last year. And there have been 350 fewer shootings than last year, when surging gun violence grabbed international headlines.
McCarthy, speaking at a press conference in Englewood, sought to bring year-to-year context to last week's violence. There were 65 shootings last week. The same week last year saw 76, he said.
The violence in Chicago continued well after July 4th, including five people getting shot during an apparent landlord-tenant dispute in Roseland Sunday night.
According to preliminary police information, a landlord opened fire about 8:10 p.m. in the 11300 block of South Forest Avenue, said Sgt. Al Stinites, a Chicago Police Department spokesman.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130708/roseland/five-shot-landlord-dispute-among-at-least-73-shot-over-holiday-weekend
These shootings are perpetrated predominantly by black males, right? Who can the liberaces blame? Bush? The CIA? Luger? Straight white Christian golfers?
It's their own ridiculous gun laws in action, but much of the rest of the Country can't seem to add 2+2, yo.
The Reaper
07-08-2013, 16:46
Well, there is that.
And they don't even bother to enforce the gun laws they have and send criminals to jail.
But new gun restrictions will fix the problem....
Right....
How about we send thugs to jail, and if they commit murder, execute them in a reasonable period of time.
TR
How about we send thugs to jail, and if they commit murder, execute them in a reasonable period of time.
TR
Liberaces believe the thugs are the victims and the gunmakers should be jailed.
The Reaper
07-08-2013, 17:08
Liberaces believe the thugs are the victims and the gunmakers should be jailed.
And don't forget, babies are evil.
TR
Strict gun laws not working out the way you hoped they would, no worry, just send in the National Guard.
Wouldn't that be a first step towards Martial Law ???
:munchin
CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) -
A proposal made by former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich in 2008 to use the National Guard to control Chicago's crime was viewed as outlandish. It went nowhere.
Now, five years later, the violence problem has gotten so serious that there's real talk in Springfield about whether Governor Quinn should send in the National Guard to patrol the streets.
The action is Springfield on Tuesday was expected to be all about concealed carry, but a sidebar debate about how to stop the violence broke out among lawmakers.
There's growing desperation for safety on Chicago's south and west sides. Over the past week, more than 75 people have been shot in Chicago -- including a 5-year-old and a 7-year-old. At least two dozen people died.
So far, Governor Quinn has not responded to the request.
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/22798154/the-talker-should-the-national-guard-patrol-chicago-streets
The Reaper
07-09-2013, 20:20
Strict gun laws not working out the way you hoped they would, no worry, just send in the National Guard.
Wouldn't that be a first step towards Martial Law ???
:munchin
I am sure that would be with unloaded weapons, or seriously restrictive ROE.
TR
The_Mentalist
07-09-2013, 21:26
Well, they got shall issue CCW passed. Unfortunately, it sucks. Too many restricted areas and no reciprocity with any one. They are pretty much disenfranchising the poor/blacks by the 16 hour class and high license fee costs. Also, no gun stores in shatcago for any one to get the training. In addition to this, there is a ban on carrying on any public transit system. That just tells the thugs to wait at a bus stop or train station for their next victim.
They have a law now, but it does most of the population of the state no good whatsoever. A few more years and they might straighten this mess out. But right now it doesn't look good at all.
Badger52
07-10-2013, 05:07
Too many restricted areas and no reciprocity with any one. They are pretty much disenfranchising the poor/blacks by the 16 hour class and high license fee costs.Reciprocity is, by its name, a 2-way affair. IL will do what it will; other states have immediately taken steps to honor an IL permit when they actually appear on Earth. For most states, this is simply an administrative task they have to "get around to" at the state AG level. So some have published that already, some will catch up, and some will play that other game: "I won't recognize yours until you recognize mine." It happens. I suspect in the coming months you'll see many states that will recognize the IL permit; won't help people travelling through IL because IL has shown that it cannot be shamed.
Gun laws as exist in IL or anywhere else have always disadvantaged those who most need their benefit. Let's see how many of the IL regime's constituents bring suit to reinterpret Murdock v. Pennsylvania:
"No State shall convert a liberty into a privilege, license it, and charge a(n) [outrageous] fee therefore [making access to protection under the law inaccessible by any reasonable standard]."
Since you're talking about an historically disadvantaged class, US AG Holder will be all over this injustice.
Wait, I forgot Rahm told Holder to STFU.
Oldrotorhead
07-10-2013, 07:07
I am sure that would be with unloaded weapons, or seriously restrictive ROE.
TR
I agree with you on this, the question then becomes why send them? The second issue , what happens if NG troops are shot while unarmed? This is a typical political hack's solution that isn't a solution.
Team Sergeant
07-10-2013, 15:01
So if your local Chicago police are "epic failures" at their profession you call in the military???
Makes total sense to me, we should have done that in liberal left-wing failures cities such as Detroit and Wash. D.C. I'd also start drone strikes when weapons are displayed, because we all know Chicago is a "gun-free" zone. And as State Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) succinctly put it, "It for the children!"
So tell me State Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) are you willing to accept the body count as the military starts stacking gang members like cordwood? Are armored vehicles with machineguns ok with you? It's for the children...... (you're a left-wing moron)
Ill. Rep Requests National Guard Help Stop Chicago Violence
July 10, 2013 7:06 AM
CHICAGO, Ill. (IRN) - Gun violence in Chicago is so severe that a state lawmaker wants state police and the National Guard to assist the local cops.
State Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) is making the request.
“I am requesting with this press conference that Gov. Patrick Quinn order the Illinois National Guard (and) the Illinois State Police (to) come to Chicago and work with our mayor Ron (sic) Emanuel to provide safety for the children, especially,” she said at a news conference in Springfield.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/07/10/ill-rep-requests-national-guard-help-stop-chicago-violence/
Instead of the N.G., why not send in some of those 15K Russian troops that Barry has been training up. They should get along great with the large Russian population that's already in Chicago.
.... Or are Barry and Holder saving those Russians for when the Black Panthers start their riots in Florida, which BTW, there are reports of bus loads of B.P.s already moving into position down there. Should be interesting.
Chicago could use a guy like Elliot Ness again. ;)
Richard
ddoering
07-10-2013, 17:05
.... Or are Barry and Holder saving those Russians for when the Black Panthers start their riots in Florida, which BTW, there are reports of bus loads of B.P.s already moving into position down there. Should be interesting.
Sounds like a test bed for the Stand your ground law......
Chicago could use a guy like Elliot Ness again. ;)
Richard
How about a Fatman or Little Boy?
TacOfficer
07-10-2013, 19:08
It has passed.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-76608153/?related=true
I have read it and it has the usual restrictions to government control property ie parks, museums, public transportation, courts, city hall etc. Additionally, sporting venues, schools and establishments who's sales of alcohol exceeds 50%.
There are some exceptions. It allows for storing it in the vehicle when parking at and transiting said properties (begging for car burglaries).
The crux of it all is having a city Concealed carry law (CCL) permit and a state firearms card.
IMHO. There is lots of room for litigation on the restrictions. I'm not familiar with other CCW laws, but for Chicago this is a huge game changer.
As for the CPD comments, please don't confuse the police with political hacks. I've never served in the military, but I'm sure the current political leadership doesn't reflect the sacrifice and dedication of its members.
Team Sergeant
07-10-2013, 19:15
It has passed.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/544/article/p2p-76608153/?related=true
I have read it and it has the usual restrictions to government control property ie parks, museums, public transportation, courts, city hall etc. Additionally, sporting venues, schools and establishments who's sales of alcohol exceeds 50%.
There are some exceptions. It allows for storing it in the vehicle when parking at and transiting said properties (begging for car burglaries).
The crux of it all is having a city Concealed carry law (CCL) permit and a state firearms card.
IMHO. There is lots of room for litigation on the restrictions. I'm not familiar with other CCW laws, but for Chicago this is a huge game changer.
As for the CPD comments, please don't confuse the police with political hacks. I've never served in the military, but I'm sure the current political leadership doesn't reflect the sacrifice and dedication of its members.
I should have said the failure of the CPD leadership...... and the failure of the Chicago pols.......
TacOfficer
07-11-2013, 16:47
Thank you for the amendment.
I will admit, it's an embarrassment having these fools as our leaders.
The marches, Presidential outrage, bash mobs and The Revs should be coming soon...right?
6 dead, 17 wounded in shootings since Friday night
SUN-TIMES MEDIA WIRE July 20, 2013 2:38PM
Six men were killed and at least 17 people -- including a 6-year-old girl -- were wounded in shootings across the city since Friday night.
http://www.suntimes.com/21432160-761/6-dead-17-wounded-in-shootings-since-friday-night.html
TacOfficer
09-09-2013, 14:47
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-chicago-aldermen-recommend-repealing-city-gun-registry-20130909,0,4577221.story
I do believe the impending law suits may have caused an epiphany.
"Have you seen the light?!" :D
Concerned with mounting death toll, Taliban offers to send peacekeeping advisers to Chicago.
Concerned with mounting death toll, Taliban offers to send peacekeeping advisers to Chicago.
LOLOL :D
TacOfficer
09-09-2013, 15:42
They already own the the south and west sides. The Taliban supplies the opiate for heroin and have the corner stores providing intelligence. Furthermore, even they know its safer in provinces than the ghetto. ;)
Can I earn cross thread points for suggesting they take those Warrior Cop SWAT teams from NASA, EPA and PETA and give them something "real" to do in my town?
Someone here mentioned its not the idea of SWAT that was the issue, but the application. Well, we've gots lots to do here in Obama's and Rahm's utopia.
There are 42 public pistol lanes within 30 miles of my home at 5 ranges. Illinois CCW training is going to be slowwww. And $20/hour range fee? And to add insult in injury some make you use their ammo and no picking up brass. Oh well, maybe my XDS will be back by the time my table is ready.
Hey, just a thought given the mall ninjas at the lgs who've applied for instructor certification. I could go into business myself! I once mailed some Kelly McCann "Defensive Pistol" DVDs to NousDefionsDoc when he was SOTB. You think it would be ok if I advertised that I supplied a training program to Special Forces cadre?
Peregrino
09-09-2013, 17:52
Hey, just a thought given the mall ninjas at the lgs who've applied for instructor certification. I could go into business myself! I once mailed some Kelly McCann "Defensive Pistol" DVDs to NousDefionsDoc when he was SOTB. You think it would be ok if I advertised that I supplied a training program to Special Forces cadre?
Sorry, I'm afraid you're overqualified. Unlike the usual bottom feeders you actually did something that contributed to a QP's nefarious purposes. I'm reasonably certain that makes you ineligible to play.
TacOfficer
12-13-2013, 10:19
http://homicides.suntimes.com/2013/12/11/police-store-owner-fatally-shoots-would-be-robber-on-south-side/
http://homicides.suntimes.com/2013/12/11/police-store-owner-fatally-shoots-would-be-robber-on-south-side/
25 years old - multiple felon - had been serving a 13 year sentence - must have been released for good behavior.
PedOncoDoc
12-13-2013, 12:50
25 years old - multiple felon - had been serving a 13 year sentence - must have been released for good behavior.
If Obama had a son...
:rolleyes:
TacOfficer
03-01-2014, 07:41
Illinois' first concealed carry licenses in the mail -- 5,000 of them
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79475413/
TacOfficer
04-05-2014, 12:13
Times are changing. :)
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79832002/
ddoering
04-05-2014, 20:56
Times are changing. :)
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79832002/
Wasn't there a Congressman dressed like this after Travon bought it?
"The man was walking from his garage to the front of his home when two males in hoodies appeared in a gangway between his home and the neighbor's home, Sullivan said."
TacOfficer
04-06-2014, 07:26
Wasn't there a Congressman dressed like this after Travon bought it?
"The man was walking from his garage to the front of his home when two males in hoodies appeared in a gangway between his home and the neighbor's home, Sullivan said."
I believe so, and the famous:
"If I had a son......."
http://usfinancepost.com/more-guns-equal-less-crime-in-chicago-as-murder-rates-plummet-16413.html
This reminds me of a quote from a study done by Harvard about gun control and how effective it is at reducing violent crime.
“If more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death, areas within nations with higher gun ownership should in general have more murders than those with less gun ownership in a similar area. But, in fact, the reverse pattern prevails”
The entire study can be read here: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
NurseTim
04-06-2014, 10:07
From the article, several shots were fired, nobody hit (in a gangway? Is that like an alleyway only gangs hang out there?) and no property damage.
Was he using some kind of disolving bullets? Maybe they were made of ice. How can there be no property damage? The bullets had stop somewhere.
Good to see the good citizens win one for a change in the windy city.
TacOfficer
04-06-2014, 12:28
From the article, several shots were fired, nobody hit (in a gangway? Is that like an alleyway only gangs hang out there?) and no property damage.
Was he using some kind of disolving bullets? Maybe they were made of ice. How can there be no property damage? The bullets had stop somewhere.
Good to see the good citizens win one for a change in the windy city.
Possible point of impact: trees, dirt, brick, evil squirrel......
From the article, several shots were fired, nobody hit (in a gangway? Is that like an alleyway only gangs hang out there?) and no property damage.
Was he using some kind of disolving bullets? Maybe they were made of ice. How can there be no property damage? The bullets had stop somewhere.
Good to see the good citizens win one for a change in the windy city.
Aside from the nautical definition of a gangway, the gangway mentioned here is a passageway between buildings.
Definition of gangway (n)
gang·way
[ gáng wày ]
1.narrow walkway: a narrow passageway, especially a temporary walkway
2.entrance in ship's side: an opening in the side of a ship through which it is boarded by means of a gangplank
3.make way: used to indicate to people in a crowd that they should make way because somebody is coming through
They are very narrow passageways between buildings, especially in Chicago, where most residents have their garages located behind their buildings, which is accessible only by an ally, then they must exit their garages, walk through these gangways to enter through a front door. Very rarely is there a back or side door in which residents can enter through.
As you see from the below picture, it's very narrow, and any rounds fired may have hit the sides of the buildings and have easily shattered or disintegrated upon impact.
Or they could have easily exited and hit dirt, trees, bricks or even a squirrel .... :D
TacOfficer
04-06-2014, 21:14
......EVIL squirrel. :D
......EVIL squirrel. :D
.... and SNEAKY
They've been known, every-so often, to run up your pants and bite your nuts.
:munchin
You know, the Libs are going to say these numbers are the effect of the gun free zones that were in place before this. That it just took some time to "come around."
:munchin
Chicago’s murder rate drops to lowest level in decades following new concealed carry gun law
CHICAGO, Ill., April 10 – Chicago’s murder rate dropped to its lowest level since 1958, following the adoption of a concealed carry gun law by Illinois last year. Chicago had some of the toughest gun laws in the nation, and in 2012, Chicago led the nation in murders. But the courts said the tough gun laws violated the Second Amendment, and Illinois was forced to adopt a law allowing concealed carry. Chicago police began accepting applications in January of this year. Anti-gun critics predicted an increase in crime, murder and mayhem. Now Chicago police are reporting the lowest level of crime and murder in decades.
When Illinois passed the law allowing law-abiding citizens to carry concealed hangduns, it became the last state in the Union to do so. The Supreme Court ruled in McDonald v. Chicago that the right of an individual to “keep and bear arms” protected by the Second Amendment is incorporated by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and applies to the states. Then the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ordered Illinois to repeal its law that prohibited concealed carry and gave the state until July 9, 2013 to replace it.
Anti-gun zealots predicted mayhem, warning that high-crime areas, like Chicago, would only see more violence if residents were allowed to carry guns in public. Governor Quinn called the concealed carry bill “extremely disappointing,” saying it “will lead to tragedy” and that “public safety should never be compromised or negotiated away.” He accused the legislature of “surrender[ing]” to the NRA. But the opposite occurred–instead of crime and murder rising, it has decreased.
Chicago has had a significant problem with murder and gun crime. According to the FBI, the U.S. had a national homicide rate of 4.7 per 100,000 people in 2011. Illinois’ homicide rate in 2011 was 6.4 per 100,000, or 136 percent of the national rate. And though during that time it was illegal to carry them, handguns were involved with the vast majority of murders. In 2012, Chicago led the nation with 506 murders. Gun control, evidently, was not working out very well.
<snip>
http://www.brennerbrief.com/chicagos-murder-rate-drops-to-lowest-level-in-decades-following-new-concealed-carry-gun-law/
I guess those strict gun laws are working.:rolleyes:
Amid weekend of violence, 6 children shot Sunday night (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-2-men-seriously-wounded-in-south-side-shooting-20140420,0,3822278.story)
Documentary NEW DOCUMENTARY EXPLORES ‘GUNLAND’ (http://www.jetmag.com/entertainment/new-documentary-explores-gunland/)
WarriorDiplomat
04-23-2014, 17:36
Gun laws are the equivelant of OSHA for criminals.
Remember when D.C. was the murder and violence capitol before gun ban laws were repealed in 2008.
With the internet even if they were able to somehow take every gun,.. violent mentally warped individuals will find alternatives to guns, the riot in the new Mexico prison with 32 inmates murdered by blow torches shovels etc....proves you don't need a gun to be violent. In fact the current segregation in prisons is due to violent people figuring out ways to kill maim, injure without guns from paper to bubblegun where there is a will there is a way.
Guns keep honest people safer from the truly violent people who even without a gun would beat, rape, murder, suffocate, molest, torture and anything else we can think of. Damn Politicians not one of them truly cares about gun rights either way for or against it is nothing more than a hot topic to run on and is always popular.
Something interesting is Britains actual violent crime numbers vs what is publicized. I believe the highest in Europe
Dog Pound Zulu
04-24-2014, 19:40
http://heyjackass.com/
This has the "shot in the Ass" Ometer....Informative
Hummmm .... I wonder why the MSM is silent on this?
:munchin
CHICAGO: 39 Shot So Far This Weekend – Media Continues to Focus on CA Incident
It’s been 3 days since xxxxx xxxxx shot 11 people in California, killing 3 (he also stabbed 3 people to death and hit at least 4 people with his car) and it’s all the media can talk about.
We’ve seen numerous reports about the killer, his family, the victim’s families and the suspected reasons for the mass murder spree. The incident has gotten near 24 hour coverage on popular news websites and television stations.
Over the same time period 39 people were shot in Chicago (note that is just Friday – Sunday, Memorial Day stats aren’t up yet),
Chicago, like the area of California where the murders took place, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
However, there is a difference. Outside of the Chicago media, virtually no one has mentioned the problems in the Windy City.
This just goes to show how biased anti-gun activists as well as the national media is. If these people were truly so concerned with reducing violence, why are they ignoring one of the largest hubs of violence in the country?
Of course, we know reducing violence isn’t the end goal for anti-gun activists. It’s a political game to them. Something to be won or lost. Them vs the “evil NRA” and the gun industry. Gang violence and violence related to other criminal activity such as drugs in Chicago doesn’t help their cause. It doesn’t help them win their “game,” so it goes unspoken.
However, a crazy rich kid who used guns in a violent crime spree (he also used several other, non-firearm weapons), fits right into their agenda. Something they can easily package. A single incident that can be described in a few sound bites as a rally cry for “their side”.
http://gunssavelives.net/blog/chicago-39-shot-so-far-this-weekend-media-continues-to-focus-on-ca-incident/#
Hummmm .... I wonder why the MSM is silent on this?
:munchin
b/c he's rich...has "issues"...and can carry the anti gun campaign with money...(or his family anyway)
The elite, why do they care about the riff raff of Chi-town??
They can say/do/whine all they want.
Chicago is Chicago. Always was and always will be.
"They" have no power on the street.
Just like in NY and any other major (or even minor) US city.
Talking heads.
bushmaster11
05-31-2014, 17:14
Maybe I missed specifics. What exactly is the felony penalty? What circumstances if charged? If I carry a small 9 mm or .32, in a concealed carry that is small enough that is unobtrusive, I must be doing something that draws attention by law enforcement .
But, if my behavior is "Joe Sixpack" then no harm no foul. But if the occasion of necessity, and I used for self defense, then I would be charged. I would have a trial. If the situation required use, then I would be willing to trust the average juror to see the need of protection. It's the old "judged by 12 than carried by 6". I think the public is smarter than most of anti-gun followers. I damn sure will carry in Chicago.
J R T
DOL
It's the old "judged by 12 than carried by 6". I think the public is smarter than most of anti-gun followers. I damn sure will carry in Chicago.
J R T
DOL
Been on a jury lately?
Pat
A good example of the crazies running the nut house in Chicago...
An “interrupter” for Chicago’s CeaseFire program has been arrested for “36 counts charging him with sexually assaulting and kidnapping a teenage girl while he worked for the program,” the Chicago Sun-Times reported Saturday. Richard Hernandez is “among at least nine employees of the anti-violence program to face serious criminal charges in recent years.”
The Manic Latin Disciples ranking member and prohibited person due to gun and drug convictions is joined in problematic legal issues by former CeaseFire Illinois Director Tio Hardman, who was charged with domestic violence, and “CeaseFire worker Sylvester Hudson, who was charged last year with selling heroin to a federal informant outside CeaseFire’s headquarters at UIC.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ceasefire-criminal-corruption-may-rival-bloomberg-mayors?CID=examiner_alerts_article
David Codrea notes at the end of the article:
When you think about it, of course it makes sense that criminals, particularly the political kind, want good people to be disarmed. Being corrupt doesn’t automatically mean one is stupid.
Locally, the KCMO Health Department has a program named Aim4Peace modeled after this program.
AIM4Peace Job requirements are minimal:
REQUIRES high school graduation or equivalent and at least 3 years experience in community organizing or public affairs. Preference given to candidates with experience in grassroots leadership development programs, including curricula development, training, and tracking systems; meeting planning and facilitation; proficient with database systems, web-based communications, MS Word, Excel, and PowerPoint; and those Bi-lingual in English/Spanish.
http://careerlink.com/job/view/9637/003075
.... aaaaaand the hits just keep on a comin'.
:munchin
11 Killed, At Least 60 Wounded In Citywide Shootings This Weekend
CHICAGO (CBS) – At least 11 people were killed and 60 others were wounded over the long holiday weekend, from Thursday afternoon, to early Monday morning.
There were also six police-involved shootings, two of them involving teens who were killed.
In the most recent fatal shooting, a 24-year-old man was shot in the back, right arm, chest, and eye while he was standing on the 8400 block of South Buffalo Avenue around 2:30 a.m. Monday. Police believe the shooter approached him from a nearby gangway and opened fire. The victim was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 3:33 a.m.
Authorities have not yet released the woman’s name.
In other fatal shootings:
• A 44-year-old woman was at a barbecue around 12:30 a.m. Monday in the Morgan Park neighborhood, when someone shot her as she was leaning into a car in a parking lot near 109th and Throop. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
• Shiquille Salter, 23, was shot several times in the chest around 9 p.m. Sunday while he was standing on a corner in the 300 block of West 116th Street. He was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead.
• Two men were sitting in a car in the 5200 block of West Lake Street Sunday evening, when someone walked up and opened fire. Donald Ray, 21, man was shot in the head, and pronounced dead at West Suburban Medical Center in Oak Park. The other man was not seriously injured.
• Kezon Lamb, 19, was sitting in a vehicle with a female in the 4400 block of North Malden Street about 12:20 a.m. when a gunman walked up and fired shots, authorities said. Lamb, of the 4100 block of West 127th Street in Alsip, was shot in the back and taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead at 1:05 a.m., authorities said.
• Anthony Hobson, 25, was riding a bike in the 10400 block of South Normal Avenue about 11:35 p.m. Saturday night, when a silver sedan drove by and someone inside fired shots, authorities said. Hobson, of the 10500 block of South Normal Avenue, was shot in the head and shoulder and taken to Roseland Community Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 12:07 a.m., authorities said. Police said he is a documented gang member.
• Shaquille Ross, 18, was found unresponsive in the street in the 6500 block of South Seeley Avenue about 4:30 p.m. with gunshot wounds to the upper torso and neck, according to police and the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office. Ross, of the 200 block of West 95th Street, was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead at 8:09 p.m., authorities said. Police said he was a documented gang member.
• Deandre Brown, 23, was in the 8700 block of South Houston Avenue about 10:20 a.m. Saturday when he was shot in the leg and abdomen, authorities said. Brown, of the 9000 block of South Mackinaw Avenue, was taken to Northwestern Memorial Hospital, where he was pronounced dead at 11:38 a.m., the medical examiner’s office said.
• Joel Bentley, 30, was in a Walgreens parking lot on the southwest corner of West 63rd Street and South Austin Avenue just before 1 a.m. Saturday when he was shot in the abdomen, authorities said. Bentley, of the 5000 block of South Keating Avenue, was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead at 5:46 a.m., the medical examiner’s office said.
• Two men were standing outside in the 2000 block of West 63rd Street when a black vehicle pulled up and someone inside opened fire, striking both of them, police said. Corey Hudson, 34, of the 6000 block of South Bell Avenue, was dead at the scene, the medical examiner’s office said. The other man, Robbert Cotton of the 9600 block of South Mozart Street in Evergreen Park, was taken to John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital of Cook County, police said. He was pronounced dead at 4:47 a.m. Sunday.
At least 60 other people were wounded in citywide shootings throughout the holiday weekend.
In an email, police spokesman Martin Maloney said, “We saw an unacceptable level of gun violence this weekend, and there is clearly much more work to be done. We will keep building on our strategy, putting more officers on the street in summer months, proactively intervening in gang conflicts, partnering with community leaders, and with the Mayor’s leadership the City will continue investing in prevention programs for at-risk youth. Yet, even with the best police and the best policing strategy in the world, without better state and federal laws to keep guns off the streets and out of the hands of dangerous criminals we’ll continue to face an uphill battle.” You REALLY think that will work? Look how well it's worked so far.
CBS 2 security consultant Ross Rice said the weekend’s violence speaks to a larger problem.
“I think that is representative of the gang, drug, gun violence problem that still persists in Chicago,” Rice said. “It’s not a law enforcement problem solely. There’s not going to be a law enforcement solution to this. You can’t arrest your way out of gang violence.”
In addition to the other shootings, there were six police-involved shootings over the holiday weekend. Two of the people shot by police
Saturday evening, police responding to a call of shots fired near 87th and Morgan streets chased a 16-year-old boy into an alley near 87th and Sangamon. They found him hiding under a car. Police said, as he was getting out from under the vehicle, officers told him several times to drop his gun, but he refused, and officers shot him to defend themselves. The boy, Warren Robinson, was just three days shy of his 17th birthday.
His mother said her son was not armed, and police did not have to shoot him.
“They shot him over twenty times,” said the victim’s mother, Georgiana Utendahl. “They are trying to say he had a gun on him and he didn’t have a gun on him.”
Some witnesses claimed Robinson kept his hands in the air the entire time, but police said that’s just not true.
In the other fatal police-involved shooting, around 10 p.m. Friday in Portage Park, police received a call of a person with a gun near Berenice and Cicero avenues.
Fraternal Order of Police spokesman Pat Camden said officers saw something under the young man’s arm and tried to stop him when he pointed a large revolver at the officers.
“The officer defends himself, fires a shot. The offender his hit, manages to run down the alley a short distance before the officer’s partner is able to kind of head him of,” said Camden.
The 14-year-old boy, Pedro Rios, died from the shooting. No officers were hurt.
Three other people were wounded in police-involved shootings over the weekend. In another, police fired shots, but no one was struck.
CBS 2 security consultant Ross Rice said it’s more difficult than people think for officers in these types of situations.
“I think there’s a disconnect between people watching TV shows and watching movies; and it doesn’t translate into real life for them. They don’t realize that the police can’t shoot the gun out of your hand like they do in the westerns, or the police aren’t going to be able to wound you, or they can’t fire a warning shot,” Rice said. “It’s serious business.”
In a statement, the Chicago Police Department said, “Officers do not relish using a weapon in the course of their work, but … they must do what is best to protect themselves and the public they serve.”
No one was in custody for any of the shootings as of early Monday morning. The Independent Police Review Authority was investigating the police-involved shootings.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/07/07/11-killed-at-least-60-wounded-in-citywide-shootings-this-weekend/
Team Sergeant
07-07-2014, 11:00
Houston is almost the same size as Chicago and Chicago has almost three times the murders/shootings.
So what's different? There's tons more guns in Houston, it's an open & concealed carry state.
:munchin
it's an open & concealed carry state.
:munchin
Texas is not an open carry state for handguns, just long guns. Hench the morons in the Jack in the Box video. ;)
Pat
futureSOF
07-07-2014, 12:26
Oh the horror! I'm appalled! How dare this man defend himself
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-military-member-concealed-carry-shoots-attacker-20140706,0,5324984.story
Dean Jarvis
07-08-2014, 11:59
Texas is not an open carry state for handguns, just long guns. Hench the morons in the Jack in the Box video. ;)
Pat
I lived in Miami a few years. It was legal to conceal carry. You may recall back in the 80's when rental car companies stopped putting their logo on the cars like Avis, Herts etc. This was because people driving them were targets for robbery since they were from out of town and would not be packing heat.