Petraeus Resigns due to an Affair [Archive]

Stargazer

11-09-2012, 14:08

It's hitting all the major networks. The President has accepted his resignation.

Not the note I thought his career would end on. At one time, I thought he might be the strong leader this country needs.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15054517-cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns-cites-extramarital-affair?lite

9 November 2012
Yesterday afternoon, I went to the White House and asked the President to be allowed, for personal reasons, to resign from my position as D/CIA. After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair. Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours. This afternoon, the President graciously accepted my resignation.

As I depart Langley, I want you to know that it has been the greatest of privileges to have served with you, the officers of our Nation's Silent Service, a work force that is truly exceptional in every regard. Indeed, you did extraordinary work on a host of critical missions during my time as director, and I am deeply grateful to you for that.

Teddy Roosevelt once observed that life's greatest gift is the opportunity to work hard at work worth doing. I will always treasure my opportunity to have done that with you and I will always regret the circumstances that brought that work with you to an end.
Thank you for your extraordinary service to our country, and best wishes for continued success in the important endeavors that lie ahead for our country and our Agency.

With admiration and appreciation,
David H. Petraeus

JimP

11-09-2012, 14:25

Honey traps are a bitch. i wonder what light he COULD have shed on the Benghazi affair. Guess we'll never know now. How convenient.

ChuckG

11-09-2012, 14:34

I've known Dave and Holly since 77 and I'm shocked. Guess he wasn't thinking with his big head.

Sdiver

11-09-2012, 14:36

Honey traps are a bitch. i wonder what light he COULD have shed on the Benghazi affair. Guess we'll never know now. How convenient.

Funny how that worked out isn't it .... and with Hillary scheduled to leave as SecState come January and rumblings about Panetta stepping down ..... Hummmmmmm

I'm sure Barry would like the Benghazi affair just disappear .... kinda like his birth certificate, collage records, ect. :munchin

Dusty

11-09-2012, 14:39

Funny how that worked out isn't it .... and with Hillary scheduled to leave as SecState come January and rumblings about Panetta stepping down ..... Hummmmmmm

Hillary's got her ducks in a row-lawyered to the teeth with the best of the best.

Something sure enough stinks, Sdiver; you're right.

Roguish Lawyer

11-09-2012, 14:50

Funny how that worked out isn't it .... and with Hillary scheduled to leave as SecState come January and rumblings about Panetta stepping down ..... Hummmmmmm

I'm sure Barry would like the Benghazi affair just disappear .... kinda like his birth certificate, collage records, ect. :munchin

No more need to get relected. Now he can appoint Yoko Ono and Jane Fonda to take their places, like he wanted to in term #1.

VVVV

11-09-2012, 14:56

Honey traps are a bitch. i wonder what light he COULD have shed on the Benghazi affair. Guess we'll never know now. How convenient.

Why not? His resignation won't stop him from testifying before the Intelligence Committees of the Senate and House of Representatives

JimP

11-09-2012, 15:01

SF18C

11-09-2012, 15:05

Wow...I am stunned!

There has to be more to this story, I am sure!!!

And I am sure we will never know the truth!

BKKMAN

11-09-2012, 15:13

Wow...I am stunned!

There has to be more to this story, I am sure!!!

And I am sure we will never know the truth!

Big head gets man into position of power

Power goes to big head

Little head starts to think for big head, because big head is too drunk with power to do any thinking

Little head causes downfall of big head

This has happened throughout history to people who their friends and admirers thought that they would never do it or who they thought were above it...

SF_BHT

11-09-2012, 15:17

Jerking a private citizen before a congressional committe to testify about an event that may or may nor have "occurred on his watch" while in a public position of trust is a tremendously difficult and abstruse thing to do. Pesky little thing about immunities; bill of rights; criminal protections; civil issues, etc. May take years to sort out....

Not that Hussein (blessed be his name) would advocate anything of this sort his being the most transparent adminstration and all.

Jim

Congressional Subpoena is a Subpoena and it has been done many times..... Actually makes it a little easier as he does not have the hundreds of lawyers of the agency to deal with everything. He still can not disclose everything except in the proper forum behind closed doors.

ironyoshi

11-09-2012, 15:17

This has happened throughout history to people who their friends and admirers thought that they would never do it or who they thought were above it...

Absolutely, but the timing...right after the CIA butted heads in a big way with the White House.

Sdiver

11-09-2012, 15:19

No more need to get relected. Now he can appoint Yoko Ono and Jane Fonda to take their places, like he wanted to in term #1.

Don't be so quick to joke. I saw a news blurb the other day that said that one of the possibilities to fill SecState would be John Kerry, which as we all know is a combination of Yoko and the BITCH who must not be named.

Also on that list is Susan Rice (UN Ambassador) and Tom Donilon (National Security Adviser).

Here's the article ..... http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-11-08/un-envoy-susan-rice-is-top-candidate-to-succeed-clinton

Interesting times ahead. :munchin

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 15:24

Absolutely, but the timing...right after the CIA butted heads in a big way with the White House.

Hmmmmmm.:eek:

BKKMAN

11-09-2012, 15:29

Absolutely, but the timing...right after the CIA butted heads in a big way with the White House.

I would be more inclined to think that the extra scrutiny by reporters in their search for info on Benghazi turned up info on the affair and Petraeus decided to get out ahead of it and resign...

JSMosby

11-09-2012, 15:38

Brennan will finally get his shot at the top!

SF_BHT

11-09-2012, 15:39

I would be more inclined to think that the extra scrutiny by reporters in their search for info on Benghazi turned up info on the affair and Petraeus decided to get out ahead of it and resign...

Heard that it may have come out due to Sinclair's Article 32 that is going on. He has made statements that if he is going down he will not be the only one..... Waiting on the 3rd source verification......

MR2

11-09-2012, 15:51

Wife just surprised the heck out of me with this.

She said so big deal! I don't like it, I don't agree with adultery. Would this happen to a Democrat? But if we're going to selectively ignore sex outside of marriage and even encourage gay marriage why are we getting rid of what is otherwise a good man doing a good job?

Sigaba

11-09-2012, 15:51

Is someone going to ask the SOCNET question or not?

Basenshukai

11-09-2012, 15:54

Here is my conspiracy theory:

CIA Director is indirectly told to take the fall for the Benghazi Incident. He is also told that if he does not, a certain extra-marital affair might become public knowledge because of those pesky reporters (you know). So, he elects the best of both options: He admits to the affair and steps out of his CIA Director position.

Dad

11-09-2012, 16:09

the WSJ has not been particularly kind to Gen Petraeus lately. Seems more like the Republicans have turned on him, particularly McCain. If so, why?

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 16:09

So, he elects the best of both options...

A much better option as far as I'm concerned, given the assumptions in your post, is that he man-up and stand before those media microphones and flat-out state that what you propose actually happened.

I was just a lowly NCO, but that is sure as hell what I'd do if some politician were trying to blackmail me. The media would eat it up with a fork and spoon and come back for seconds.

Lose his retirement if he did? Hell, he'd live well forever on the royalties from the book, movie, and tv deals - as well as a prominent show on Fox.

rubberneck

11-09-2012, 16:23

Seems to me that if Congress was so inclined they could subpoena a private citizen a lot easier than an appointee of the executive branch. I wonder if executive privilege has ever been successfully used to block a subpoena of a former executive branch employee.

CSB

11-09-2012, 16:31

Is someone going to ask the SOCNET question or not? OK, I'll ask it:

Was she hot?

And on a more serious note. I am struck by the up front disclosure in the letter of resignation of the extramaritial affair. He could have left it with "personal reasons."

But I strongly suspect that the POTUS insisted that the General put the exact reason in his letter so as to deflect any claim that the resignation was over handling/mishandling of the Benghazi Incident. Failure of the General to provide a full "ab initio" confession to adultery would be to open the floodgates of speculation and conspiracy theories.

In short, I suspect the President said something like "you give the exact reason or I will."

The President himself would have to go public with a press conference "I have had to "demand the resignation" or "relieve General Patraeus" as the result of his adulterous affair ...".

MR2

11-09-2012, 16:34

But I strongly suspect that the POTUS insisted that the General put the exact reason in his letter so as to deflect any claim that the resignation was over handling/mishandling of the Benghazi Incident. Failure of the General to provide a full "ab initio" confession to adultery would be to open the floodgates of speculation and conspiracy theories.

and to prevent him from running for any political office on the GOP ticket...

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 16:35

OK, I'll ask it:

Was she hot?

And I'll add:

Are there videos, pictures, or audio tapes?:D

(Maybe the National Enquirer sent their crack <pun intended> "John Edwards Investigative Unit <pun intended>)" after the Director!)

Ape Man

11-09-2012, 16:46

An affair did not stop McCain from running. Although maybe it should have.

rubberneck

11-09-2012, 16:52

An affair did not stop McCain from running. Although maybe it should have.

Reagan's multiple affairs didn't kill his political career, but then again he ran for President 31 years after his last admitted affair. Sadly it seems like the evangelicals are increasingly pulling the strings in the GOP so it's unlikely he'll ever find his name on a Presidential ticket.

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 17:06

An affair did not stop McCain from running. Although maybe it should have.

And which, praytell, affair are you discussing? The long-ago, admitted one with his current wife or the rumored one that the NYT dredged up and was denied by all involved, with no proof being subsequently produced?

BKKMAN

11-09-2012, 17:11

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 17:14

He does have that "I've done you!" look in his eyes in that picture. ;)

Sigaba

11-09-2012, 17:37

Fox and other news sites reporting that his biographer, Paula Broadwell, was his "squeeze"...

ETA: She is the author of All In: The Education of General David Petraeus

ETA 2: David Petraeus was obviously "all in" that...
Broadwell: Hey, General, as a professional writer, I know of ways to handle that dangling antecedent of yours.

Petraeus: Hey, Broadwell. You ever read Fifty Shades of ACU?

Broadwell: Hey, General. My tertiary safe word is "multicam".

Petraeus: Hey, Broadwell. Did I ever tell you about my time in the 69th? It really sucked.

Broadwell: Hey, General. Is that a bundle of blue pencils in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

And the story deepens...Petraeus'[s] biographer Paula Broadwell under FBI investigation over access to his email, law enforcement officials say (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15056607-petraeus-biographer-paula-broadwell-under-fbi-investigation-over-access-to-his-email-law-enforcement-officials-say?lite).

BKKMAN

11-09-2012, 17:43

Broadwell: Hey, General, as a professional writer, I know of ways to handle that dangling antecedent of yours.

Petraeus: Hey, Broadwell. You ever read Fifty Shades of ACU?

Broadwell: Hey, General. My tertiary safe word is "multicam".

Petraeus: Hey, Broadwell. Did I ever tell you about my time in the 69th? It really sucked.

Broadwell: Hey, General. Is that a bundle of blue pencils in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

And the story deepens...Petraeus'[s] biographer Paula Broadwell under FBI investigation over access to his email, law enforcement officials say (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15056607-petraeus-biographer-paula-broadwell-under-fbi-investigation-over-access-to-his-email-law-enforcement-officials-say?lite).

:D

Love this quote at the link also:

She had extensive access to Petraeus in Afghanistan...

Yeah she did...MULTICAM!!! MULTICAM!!!

Basenshukai

11-09-2012, 17:57

A much better option as far as I'm concerned...

Exactly, "as far as" you are "concerned". Not everyone thinks the same way. Not every Soldier makes the right choices, and not all choices have "right" in them to begin with. I'm guessing as to how that may have unfolded. I am not putting myself, nor you, in his shoes.

Old Dog New Trick

11-09-2012, 17:58

Wow!

I'm guessing that less than 72-hours after the election (err um, re-election) and the real possibility of impeachment hearings on the horizon for POTUS and everyone else with any connection to Benghazigate. That:

Mr. President, I have to inform you that I have used a banned substance and other EPOs in the performance of my duties...I thereby request to resign as D/CIA.

Naw, that wouldn't do it...:rolleyes: look to much like he's running from something or someone. Or, is taking the high road to 2016?

When has moral turpitude or debauchery ever disqualified someone from high office?

:munchin

SF_BHT

11-09-2012, 18:02

Lose his retirement if he did? Hell, he'd live well forever on the royalties from the book, movie, and tv deals - as well as a prominent show on Fox.

Can not lose it he is Retired.......

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 18:13

Exactly, "as far as" you are "concerned". Not everyone thinks the same way. Not every Soldier makes the right choices, and not all choices have "right" in them to begin with. I'm guessing as to how that may have unfolded. I am not putting myself, nor you, in his shoes.

Nope, we're both supposing!
You proposed an option, and I proposed another one.
Of such are discussions made.

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 18:15

Can not lose it he is Retired.......

Granted...but he sure could lose half of it!

SF18C

11-09-2012, 18:26

So if an affair is a reason to resign, why isn't DC completely abandoned?!

ZonieDiver

11-09-2012, 18:28

So if an affair is a reason to resign, why isn't DC completely abandoned?!

A supposition: most military and former military have some degree of honor... and many politicians don't?

Requiem

11-09-2012, 18:33

Reagan's multiple affairs didn't kill his political career...

Nor did it kill Clinton's or Kennedy's, though it nearly derailed Clinton's.

I have to agree with MR2's CFO. It's a shame he had an affair, but the timing of its revelation is suspicious.

S.

SF_BHT

11-09-2012, 18:56

Couldn't an affair have compromised him security-wise? I mean isn't that like the oldest trick in the book, having a woman seduce a man in order to steal things from him?

Yeah it is called marriage and divorce and they take your money even when they did not work...... Oh Sorry that is for another thread,,,:rolleyes:

Sdiver

11-09-2012, 19:09

The question I have about this "affair" is, how long had/has it been going on?

Gen Petraeus has only been D/CIA for roughly a year now.
In the pic posted above, it appears this woman has/had been with the General for some time.
I just saw on ABC News (I couldn't find my remote to change the channel) Diane Sawyer said (between drinks) that the FBI found "suspicious emails and postings on Ms. Broadwell's computer".

If he had been in this affair before becoming D/CIA, wouldn't THAT have come out before his posting in Langley?

Again, the "timing" of his resignation is coming into play.

Yeah it is called marriage and divorce and they take your money even when they did not work...... Oh Sorry that is for another thread,,,:rolleyes:

You sound like this comes from the "voice of experience" ..... "Brother". ;) :D

Guy

11-09-2012, 19:28

Granted...but he sure could lose half of it!

So if an affair is a reason to resign, why isn't DC completely abandoned?!

Yeah it is called marriage and divorce and they take your money even when they did not work...... Oh Sorry that is for another thread,,,:rolleyes:
LMAO!:D

BKKMAN

11-09-2012, 19:49

Yeah it is called marriage and divorce and they take your money even when they did not work...... Oh Sorry that is for another thread,,,:rolleyes:

Cross-thread points and so true...

Ape Man

11-09-2012, 20:03

And which, praytell, affair are you discussing? The long-ago, admitted one with his current wife or the rumored one that the NYT dredged up and was denied by all involved, with no proof being subsequently produced?

I had forgotten about the other allegation until you brought it up. All I had in mind was that McCain had less than fours years between multiple affairs (by his own account) and the start of his political career in the house. Petraeus is a lot older, but I would not count him out unless something more damaging comes out of this then a simple affair.

I could have chosen many other politicians as an example but most of them would have been democrats.

My off hand comment that "maybe it should have" was not germane to this thread and I should not have made it. It was merely a reflection of my unfavorable view some of the things that McCain did as a politician.

medic&commo

11-09-2012, 22:31

As others have more eloquently explained the big head - little head phenomenon, all that's left is to give it a name.
How about "The rise & fall of the Peter Principle."
qp

Zorro

11-09-2012, 23:22

total embarrassment... how many guys did he boot out when he was still in uniform for the same thing?

Penn

11-10-2012, 07:51

Why would the Department of Justice be investigating the sitting Director of the CIA in the first place, would that not require the permission of POTUS?

Richard

11-10-2012, 08:41

Sad. :(

Paula Broadwell is a research associate at Harvard University’s Center for Public Leadership and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London. She spent much of a year in Afghanistan as an embedded author, extending her doctoral dissertation on transformational leadership and organizational innovation based on the career of U.S. Army General David Petraeus. The result is Paula’s highly anticipated portrait of Petraeus as commander and her chronicle of the Afghan war—All In: The Education of General David Petraeus.

Paula’s passion for leadership and security policy stems from her background in the U.S. military and her academic pursuits. She graduated with academic, fitness, and leadership honors from the United States Military Academy at West Point. She has lived, worked, or traveled in more than 60 countries during more than fifteen years of military service and work in geopolitical analysis and counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations. She has served with the U.S. intelligence community, U.S. Special Operations Command, and FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces. Paula earned an M.A. with honors from the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies and an MPA degree from Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. She previously wrote for the Kings of War and Foreign Policy’s Best Defense blogs, and she has published op-eds in The New York Times, International Herald Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, and The Boston Globe. She has also written chapters in books on counterinsurgency, transformational leadership, and women in defense, and has contributed to national TV networks, BBC radio, and NPR on similar topics.

Drawing upon her experience within the military and study of transformational leadership, Paula explains Petraeus’s thoughts on strategic leadership and provides inspirational anecdotes and insights for anyone—from CEOs to young lieutenants to women in conflict zones—facing leadership challenges in their respective fields.

http://www.penguinspeakersbureau.com/speakers/page/paula_broadwell
Richard :munchin

Snaquebite

11-10-2012, 08:42

Broadwell being a USAR LTC, I wonder if the Army will take action? She is also married according to reports.

Gypsy

11-10-2012, 09:19

There are no coincidences...the timing of this is suspect.

ZonieDiver

11-10-2012, 09:28

There are no coincidences...the timing of this is suspect.

Are all GOs neutered when they get their first star?

It doesn't appear that way from their sexual activities, but according to what some are saying, it must be the case, due to the ease with which they can be blackmailed. They can't possibly have ANY balls to succumb to that, to just roll over and take it.

I don't know ANYthing about the D/CIA-General except what I've read. I find it very hard to believe that he would be able to be silenced THIS easily.

Richard

11-10-2012, 09:43

Are all GOs neutered when they get their first star?

It doesn't appear that way from their sexual activities, but according to what some are saying, it must be the case, due to the ease with which they can be blackmailed. They can't possibly have ANY balls to succumb to that, to just roll over and take it.

I don't know ANYthing about the D/CIA-General except what I've read. I find it very hard to believe that he would be able to be silenced THIS easily.

His father-in-law was the Commandant at USMA and a retired four star, and such a high-profile public affair amongst two USMA grads - bet DP is treading on some awfully thin ice amongst the USMA and GO country club set right now.

Richard :munchin

Gypsy

11-10-2012, 10:04

Are all GOs neutered when they get their first star?

Of course not. I'm talking about the timing of this information coming to light and his subsequent resignation. I think there is something even bigger going on.

Got any extra tin foil?

Sigaba

11-10-2012, 10:38

MOO, it is well past time for the preisdent's critics to put down the tin foil. One can raise enough questions about the role the CIA is playing in the POTUS's grand strategy that will gain traction among the left and the right without resorting to story lines from spy novels.

My two cents.

Snaquebite

11-10-2012, 11:02

Broadwell being a USAR LTC, I wonder if the Army will take action? She is also married according to reports.

Apparently she resigned in 2000

mojaveman

11-10-2012, 11:43

He let down his government, his country, and his family. Very dissapointing really. He won my respect and admiration after watching everything he did in Iraq and Afghanistan. And Director of the CIA?

Hope she was good. :p

MtnGoat

11-10-2012, 12:01

So if an affair is a reason to resign, why isn't DC completely abandoned?!

A supposition: most military and former military have some degree of honor... and many politicians don't?

To top it off the fact that Gen Petraeus is a Ring Knocker doesn't help him in the eyes of many in the military.

MtnGoat

11-10-2012, 12:04

For me the timing was wrong on this whole this. With next week being when hearings are to start and now he just steps down. Just makes you wonder and if every major paper and news outlet doesn't send there best reports out to look into this well just add to it.

Heck what I'm I talking..maddness is what. They haven't done it for Benghazi so why now. Well if they do it will be because Gen Petraeus was more RED than he was BLUE in their eyes.

Really sad tho.

Old Dog New Trick

11-10-2012, 16:52

It seems by a new story online that the bitch is crazy and was sending threatening emails to another woman with close ties to Petraeus. This unnamed woman called the FBI and they started the investigation from there to find the source, which led back to Petraeus.

Just goes to prove, bitches are crazy!

The next title of her book will be, "All Out: The Destruction of General David Petraeus" :p

Sigaba

11-10-2012, 17:04

Paula Broadwell is a research associate at Harvard University’s Center for Public Leadership and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London. She spent much of a year in Afghanistan as an embedded author, extending her doctoral dissertation on transformational leadership and organizational innovation based on the career of U.S. Army General David Petraeus. The result is Paula’s highly anticipated portrait of Petraeus as commander and her chronicle of the Afghan war—All In: The Education of General David Petraeus.

Paula’s passion for leadership and security policy stems from her background in the U.S. military and her academic pursuits. She graduated with academic, fitness, and leadership honors from the United States Military Academy at West Point. She has lived, worked, or traveled in more than 60 countries during more than fifteen years of military service and work in geopolitical analysis and counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations. She has served with the U.S. intelligence community, U.S. Special Operations Command, and FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces. Paula earned an M.A. with honors from the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies and an MPA degree from Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. She previously wrote for the Kings of War and Foreign Policy’s Best Defense blogs, and she has published op-eds in The New York Times, International Herald Tribune, Christian Science Monitor, and The Boston Globe. She has also written chapters in books on counterinsurgency, transformational leadership, and women in defense, and has contributed to national TV networks, BBC radio, and NPR on similar topics.

Drawing upon her experience within the military and study of transformational leadership, Paula explains Petraeus’s thoughts on strategic leadership and provides inspirational anecdotes and insights for anyone—from CEOs to young lieutenants to women in conflict zones—facing leadership challenges in their respective fields.

http://www.penguinspeakersbureau.com...aula_broadwellIf you encounter a self described academic specializing in any field of military affairs/military history who has a book deal with a major publishing house for an "expanded" dissertation and the cover has blurbs by popular historians you've seen on television, put your back to the nearest wall and then walk away briskly.

If that person also looks like she would fit in the TMZ--where broadcast journalists for local stations are former beauty queens and models--smile politely and make friendly small talk as you put everyone you don't like in the room between yourself and her/him and then run as fast as you can.

If that person also radiates a "come hither/wouldn't it be fun" vibe (with shoulders to match) like a starlet in Pr0n Valley angling to get regular work at a certain facility in San Francisco--run as if your immortal soul is in peril. Because it is.

Here's the deal. "Rock stars" in the Ivory Tower don't look like rock stars. They tend to look like eggheads who have spent most of their professional lives under florescent lights. They tend to look like people who have drunk too much bad coffee and bolted makeshift lunches from vending machines and cafeterias at places like NARA and NARA II. They tend to look like people who fly coach only when their destination is too far to drive. They tend to look like Williamson Murray and Carol Reardon (pictured below).

Ape Man

11-10-2012, 18:05

I don't get the conspiracy theories that talk about how this is part of some super secret plan to destroy poor old General Petraeus so that he will not spill the beans on Obama. You don't black mail people by making things public. If you do you lose all leverage. And if Mr. Petraeus is really that easy to intimidate into keeping his mouth shut he is a lot worse than an adulterer.

My own private conspiracy theory is that Obama knew about this a while ago but sat on it so that it would not come out until after the elections.

Sigaba

11-10-2012, 18:11

My own private conspiracy theory is that [the president] knew about this a while ago but sat on it so that it would not come out until after the elections.MOO, that theory is the most plausible. If such was the case, and the administration will say otherwise on tomorrow's Face the Nation, I think the concern was not that the Romney campaign could use it to get more votes but rather the reporting on the resignation would have diverted bandwidth away from the president's air time. (That is, a two minute story on the general would have been two minutes less to talk about the president's stumping in Ohio or his handling of Sandy.)

BKKMAN

11-10-2012, 18:39

If you encounter a self described academic specializing in any field of military affairs/military history who has a book deal with a major publishing house for an "expanded" dissertation and the cover has blurbs by popular historians you've seen on television, put your back to the nearest wall and then walk away briskly.

If that person also looks like she would fit in the TMZ--where broadcast journalists for local stations are former beauty queens and models--smile politely and make friendly small talk as you put everyone you don't like in the room between yourself and her/him and then run as fast as you can.

If that person also radiates a "come hither/wouldn't it be fun" vibe (with shoulders to match) like a starlet in Pr0n Valley angling to get regular work at a certain facility in San Francisco--run as if your immortal soul is in peril. Because it is.

Here's the deal. "Rock stars" in the Ivory Tower don't look like rock stars. They tend to look like eggheads who have spent most of their professional lives under florescent lights. They tend to look like people who have drunk too much bad coffee and bolted makeshift lunches from vending machines and cafeterias at places like NARA and NARA II. They tend to look like people who fly coach only when their destination is too far to drive. They tend to look like Williamson Murray and Carol Reardon (pictured below).

You hit the nail on the head Sigaba...that girl is Glenn Close crazy...add in being an academic and the relationship volatility quotient is off the charts...

From the WaPo:

The collapse of the impressive career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with know*ledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

snip

The law enforcement officials said the e-mails indicated that Broadwell perceived the other woman as a threat to her relationship with Petraeus.

Badger52

11-10-2012, 18:45

You hit the nail on the head Sigaba...that girl is Glenn Close crazy...3rd party probably didn't go to the FBI until she came home to a boiling pet rabbit on the stove....

glebo

11-10-2012, 19:10

Well, what gets me is...he's the director of CIA....and can't hide an affair???...no wonder we're fucked..:eek:

I really didn't like the guy anyway. He took our COIN manual and "conventionalized" some lingo, and said they wrote it...:rolleyes:

BKKMAN

11-10-2012, 22:10

3rd party probably didn't go to the FBI until she came home to a boiling pet rabbit on the stove....

Now that's funny...:D

Well, what gets me is...he's the director of CIA....and can't hide an affair???...no wonder we're fucked..:eek:

He could...he didn't tell anybody until the cat was already out of the bag...his downfall was dipping his shizzle into a bat-shit crazy psycho hose beast academic cyberstalker with serious boundary issues...

FYI to anyone that thinks they can hide an affair...the only way that is going to end up well for you is if you bury it in the desert after you finish burying your johnson in it (ala Casino with Joe Pesci)

I really didn't like the guy anyway. He took our UW manual and "conventionalized" some lingo, and said they wrote it...:rolleyes:

He borrowed liberally from Galula, Thompson, Kitson, Asprey, Kilcullen, the USMC Small Wars Manual and MWCP manual, and numerous contemporary think pieces on COIN to name a few...

Penn

11-11-2012, 07:41

He could...he didn't tell anybody until the cat was already out of the bag...his downfall was dipping his shizzle into a bat-shit crazy psycho hose beast academic cyberstalker with serious boundary issues...

LOL, Could we please have one more descriptive adjective.

Dozer523

11-11-2012, 08:18

. ...his downfall was dipping his shizzle into a bat-shit crazy psycho hose beast academic cyberstalker with serious boundary issues...
...
Put that way, you gotta wonder how the Director of the CIA didn't see that coming.
Proves that intelligence really is all in the analysis.

Basenshukai

11-11-2012, 08:18

Nope, we're both supposing!
You proposed an option, and I proposed another one.
Of such are discussions made.

OMG! You are right!!!

69harley

11-11-2012, 09:13

How can the D/CIA not know that he was being investigated by the FBI? And why did he not use more, um 'covert' means to communicate? Seems sloppy, not what I would expect Petraeus or Broadwell.

SF_BHT

11-11-2012, 09:38

How can the D/CIA not know that he was being investigated by the FBI? And why did he not use more, um 'covert' means to communicate? Seems sloppy, not what I would expect Petraeus or Broadwell.

LEO's do not tell the targets or collateral connections that they are under investigation. This was found out as a secondary as they investigated a threat against a CIA employee and her. This was a spin off not the pri investigation.

Sloppy methods are probably a result in the wrong brain handling things not the other. For her I think she is just a tool trying to get ahead and turned psycho woman.

Joker

11-11-2012, 09:53

...He could...he didn't tell anybody until the cat was already out of the bag...his downfall was dipping his shizzle into a bat-shit crazy psycho hose beast academic cyberstalker with serious boundary issues...

LOL, Could we please have one more descriptive adjective.

The word "two-timin'-ho" comes to mind.

Hey "King" David, if she's screwing around with you on the side, who else is she screwing on the other side. You better get your junk checked and hope the skank didn't give you a present!

Badger52

11-11-2012, 20:51

This thing is getting facets like a Rubik's cube.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/11/new-details-in-petraeus-scandal-fbi-whistleblower-talked-first-to-house/

The relationship was an open secret with those who knew the Petraeus', sources also tell Fox News. The FBI probe at one point led to Broadwell's email account, which uncovered the relationship with Petraeus.

Petraeus’ resignation was announced Friday, but new details continue to emerge about his affair with Broadwell, a married mother and West Point graduate.

The first knowledge of the affair outside the FBI came from an agency whistle-blower who contacted a Capitol Hill Republican who told House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
Reports suggest the investigation started months ago and that Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was informed of the findings at 5 p.m. Election Day.

President Obama first learned Thursday when told by Petraeus, according to reporting so far. (yeah, sure, whatever)

I'll take House Cleaning for $800, Alex.

Stargazer

11-11-2012, 21:12

This country will survive without Gen. Petraeus. My thoughts are with their loved ones whose trust they betrayed.

SF18C

11-11-2012, 22:14

So here is a question...just who at the FBI (and the DOJ) authorized agents read the Director of the CIAs emails for several months????

I am sure that level of responsibility is left up to some low-level branch chief (GS-9), in cubical A-45 on the 3rd floor.

SF_BHT

11-11-2012, 22:27

Stargazer

11-11-2012, 22:29

This is a long speech by Paula Broadwell, but as noted below she makes an interesting comment related to Benghazi that I had not heard before. Has anyone heard that information before?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/11/all-in-benghazi-edition.php

A reader points out that Paula Broadwell was the honored keynote speaker at a University of Denver event last month. The speech is obviously of interest in light of the revelation of her involvement with General Petraeus, whom she discusses in her speech.

One of the questions following her speech alludes to her interest in becoming the National Security Advisor. At about 35:00, Broadwell herself specifically discusses the terrorist attack in Benghazi and General Petraeus’s response. She claims there were “militia prisoners” at the annex whose presence might have precipitated the attack. If true, this appears to raise the question whether she might have been the recipient of nonpublic information. In any event, the source of her information is not otherwise apparent, and she immediately refers to General Petraeus after mentioning it.

SF18C

11-11-2012, 22:43

Basenshukai

11-11-2012, 22:47

According to Fox News, a "whistle blower" within the CIA contacted the FBI about the affair. The emails to the second party (whom is named as Jill Kelley - a close friend of the Petraeus family, and who was NOT having an affair with the retired general), MAY have not come from Paula Broadwell after all, but from someone trying to blackmail the general (thus, the concern for a security breach).

If true, someone in the CIA brought the boss down with this revelation. The plot thickens, however. Whom may have been blackmailing the general? For what?

Dusty

11-12-2012, 05:19

{Caution: tinfoil hat time}

This story will help Newsies bury all the voter fraud stories from Ohio, Florida and other points that will be coming out as vote totals will be certified in the next few weeks!

That's ecactly the intent.

This happened to Adam and BJ Clinton, and the press paid less attention.

"Look. Nothin' up m'sleeve..."

SF_BHT

11-12-2012, 06:14

swpa19

11-12-2012, 06:20

Ape Man

11-12-2012, 07:12

SF_BHT

11-12-2012, 07:57

A question for those that know: IF Petraeus were to volunteer to appear before committee, while still being the head of the C.I.A., wouldnt his confidentuallity agreement take effect? Whereas, if he were to be subpoenaed and not the current department head, would that not nullify the agreement. Just a thought I had.

First as DCI he has to go before the committee regularly. They are the oversight and get updates on a lot of things that the agency does.

If they subpoena him he has to go of face contempt of congress. He still has the confidentiality agreement in place and has to follow it but they are the oversight so they can ask and get answers. If it was the NYPD he could involve the agreement. If it is the FBI they would have to get read on to get answers and the agency would have oversight.

All of the checks and balances are in place in our government. Why do you think we made such a stink about the SEAL that broke the NDA for profit.

JSMosby

11-12-2012, 09:35

WTF is a voluntary social liaison?

Richard

11-12-2012, 09:59

WTF is a voluntary social liaison?

Sam Seaborn's girlfriend on "West Wing"...

Richard :munchin

Badger52

11-12-2012, 11:49

Sam Seaborn's girlfriend on "West Wing"...

Richard :munchinWell played, sir.
:cool:

Dusty

11-12-2012, 12:56

Box

11-12-2012, 13:08

BooYa...

This gets better every day.

Stargazer

11-12-2012, 13:19

http://www.breitbart.com/

Former CIA Director Gen. David Petraeus may have told his alleged mistress Paula Broadwell what really happened in Benghazi, Libya on September 11, 2012 when terrorists murdered U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Broadwell, whose alleged affair with Petraeus forced him to resign last Friday, revealed during an October 26 speech at the University of Denver that Libyan terrorists may have attacked the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 in order to take back Libyan militia members the CIA Annex had taken prisoner. by Tony Lee434

Snip

If you look at post #83, I included a link to her speech. I listened to it last night and found it of interest since I had not heard the tidbit relating to the prisoners mentioned before.

Quote:
A reader points out that Paula Broadwell was the honored keynote speaker at a University of Denver event last month. The speech is obviously of interest in light of the revelation of her involvement with General Petraeus, whom she discusses in her speech.

One of the questions following her speech alludes to her interest in becoming the National Security Advisor. At about 35:00, Broadwell herself specifically discusses the terrorist attack in Benghazi and General Petraeus’s response. She claims there were “militia prisoners” at the annex whose presence might have precipitated the attack. If true, this appears to raise the question whether she might have been the recipient of nonpublic information. In any event, the source of her information is not otherwise apparent, and she immediately refers to General Petraeus after mentioning it.

Dusty

11-12-2012, 13:21

If you look at post #83, I included a link to her speech. I listened to it last night and found it of interest since I had not heard the tidbit before.

Thank you, Stargazer. I did not see that, and it didn't come up on my search.

Stargazer

11-12-2012, 13:22

Thank you, Stargazer. I did not see that, and it didn't come up on my search.

All good, Dusty. I just thought you might be interested in listening to it. The part relating to Benghazi starts around 35:00 or so....

mark46th

11-12-2012, 13:26

Petraeus should call in Bill Clinton as a character witness.

SF_BHT

11-12-2012, 13:49

Dusty

11-12-2012, 13:53

Dusty

You just gave me a major head ache reading that web page......

lol I hear you. :D

Some gems on there, eh?

Surprising how many of those headlines are linked by Drudge.

MtnGoat

11-12-2012, 19:59

I also find it interesting that she never came up before the election. Mainly her speech at University of Denver.

Just shows no one is really looking into this whole event IMO.

SF18C

11-12-2012, 20:01

I also find it interesting that she never came up before the election. Mainly her speech at University of Denver.

Just shows no one is really looking into this whole event IMO.

V...what??? You expected the press to be doing anything other than covering O's ass????

Stay safe brother!

Dozer523

11-12-2012, 21:50

Dusty

You just gave me a major head ache reading that web page......i found the bar chairs I've been looking for! And a good deal, too. (Free shipping!)

Old Dog New Trick

11-13-2012, 01:09

Just a hunch. Is this going to be the greatest coup d'état ever coordinated by (at least) two people with exceptional academic ties, with a strategic plan to position themselves well throughout the intelligence community during a critical period of unrest in the world? A plan that may have been created over a year and most likely even longer...and alls it was waiting for is a triggering event led by an assumed response (or lack thereof) and a result?

Too many things don't add up for this to be a sloppy love affair and the timing of recent events and outcomes. Do your own research but fill in all the blanks of the unanswered questions.

I love me a good conspiracy, but this is soooo much better than the disappearing shooter(s) on the grassy knoll. :rolleyes:

:munchin

Box

11-13-2012, 05:10

...and now Gen Allen is under investigation for being connected with Jill Kelley.

Few things are quite as much fun to watch as a slow moving train wreck!

Congratulations Mr Romney, if you had won, ALL of this would have been your fault.
...somehow, I am certain President Bush has a hand in this mess.

Oh, while we are busy investigating soap opera story lines, has anyone heard anything about those dudes that got killed in Benga.....

......hey, are there any topless pictures of these broads on the internet yet?

miclo18d

11-13-2012, 05:55

***Conspiracy Theory Alert *** ;)

Mrs. Kelley that is involved with seemingly innocent but now questionable ties to two former CENTCOM Commanders appears to have the maiden name of Khawam, her family immigrated to the US from Lebanon in the 70's.

Not saying there's anything there, just that it is slightly strange and gets better and better each day.

Box

11-13-2012, 06:07

From what I just saw on GMA...
...George Snuffleupagus just said that Gen Allen sent 'revealing' pictures of himself to Jill Kelley.

This is some side splitting shit !

The POTUS must be really enjoying this since it has caused everyone to forget about Bengazi and the FEMA response to Sandy, and the economy, and the backdoor handling of the UN Small arms treaty and...
...hey, where are we at on finding those topless photos of Broadwell and Kelley?

Dozer523

11-13-2012, 06:23

Just a hunch. Is this going to be the greatest coup d'état ever coordinated by (at least) two people with exceptional academic ties, with a strategic plan to position themselves . . .

I love me a good conspiracy,

Richard and Sigaba are behind this? That's awesome!:D

miclo18d

11-13-2012, 07:03

http://www.businessinsider.com/jill-kelley-sex-scandal-petraeus-cia-allen-emails-2012-11

Kelley triggered the FBI investigation into Petraeus — and subsequently Allen and herself — when she told a friend in the FBI about the email threats. That FBI agent was removed from the case, after his supervisors decided he had become infatuated with Kelley. The agent also sent Kelley shirtless photos of himself, although accounts differ on whether the photos were sent before or after she told him about the Petraeus emails. (To make matters weirder, that same FBI agent contacted Washington Republican Congressman Dave Reichert in late October to tip him off to the Petraeus scandal, after the agent became convinced that the harassment case was being stalled as part of a coverup to protect Obama.)

Badger52

11-13-2012, 07:18

Richard and Sigaba are behind this? That's awesome!:DTerrific! I'm "All In."
Oh... wait. Scratch all after "Terrific".

Who's providing the recurring briefback to Hollywood, for the film, featuring "Real US...." ?

Golf1echo

11-13-2012, 07:49

General Allen has a much busier social life than I do with 20,000-30,000 e-mails to Miss Kelly....in 6 years I am around 4,000 to everyone? Maybe it is time for some new blood at the top?

Richard

11-13-2012, 07:51

SNL doesn't write material this good!

The federal agent who launched the investigation that eventually led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus was taken off the case during the summer over concerns that he "might have grown obsessed with the matter," The Wall Street Journal reports.

The FBI agent began the inquiry on behalf of a friend, Jill Kelley, who reportedly received about a half a dozen hostile emails from Petraeus' mistress Paula Broadwell.

The agent referred the matter to a cyber crimes unit but was prohibited from any role in the investigation after the FBI found out that he sent shirtless photos of himself to Kelley, people familiar with the probe told The WSJ.

After being barred from the case, the agent contacted representative David Reichert (R-Wash.) out of concern that senior FBI officials were going to "sweep the matter under the rug," according to two officials familiar with the matter.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-agent-petraeus-2012-11#ixzz2C6uJcEpo

Richard :munchin

mark46th

11-13-2012, 09:13

The FBI agent became infatuated with Ms Kelley? The general sent revealing pictures to her? Maybe the FBI has a gay agent to investigate her that will be immune to her charms?

MR2

11-13-2012, 09:15

Richard and Sigaba are behind this? That's awesome!:D

Post of the week!

Old Dog New Trick

11-13-2012, 09:27

69harley

11-13-2012, 10:09

Aside from all the legal and political issues with this, I think it is impressive that these old generals still have the desire (and ability) to mix it up with these gals.

In comparison, Clinton got a chunky (and stupid) intern while Petraeus pulls a USMA honor grad, light colonel, acomplished athlete, international news reporter that is by most standards a MILF (albeit aphyco woman).

I hope the general finds peace. Maybe gets himself a Harley or something and rides around the country with his wife or something. He has certainly paid some hard dues and deserves a break.

ddoering

11-13-2012, 10:13

Funny thing today's world. Being gay is ok but meat bayonet practice with a milf makes you a dick. I wonder how Eisenhower would have faired?

Badger52

11-13-2012, 13:40

Funny thing today's world. Being gay is ok but meat bayonet practice with a milf makes you a dick. I wonder how Eisenhower would have faired?Ike would likely have fared just fine. Kay Summersby waited until he'd passed before ever writing about them. I also doubt she'd have sent flaming threatening letters to those around him. Doesn't seem like something a nice girl from County Cork would do.

Just my $.02, which seems lately to be about what stars-on-shoulders are worth these days...
:rolleyes:

Sigaba

11-13-2012, 14:00

What the internet is saying.Dear Studies in Intelligence forum:

I used never to believe that your letters were true. That is until the day I met my boss's biographer....

Charlie Sheen ‏@charliesheen

And I thought I was #winning.

Tiger Woods ‏@TigerWoods

I'm off the hook...all I did was bang some pr0n stars. @nordicgoddes, can I come home?

John Edwards ‏@AllAmericandouchebag

@DavyPete Did you know we're practically neighbors? Stay strong.

From the [Dirty Girl's]* blog:

But I'm the one who got permanently banned from Instagram for celebrating #TittyTuesday and #AssWednesday?

Jerry Springer Show ‏@SpringerTV

Are you a BBW stripper and want to strut your stuff on our show? Call Cassie at 1-888-321-5370.

__________________________________________________
^ All quotations in this post are fictional. Except the last one.
* NSFW alert.

BKKMAN

11-13-2012, 15:51

The New York Daily News certainly has embraced this scandal:

http://www.nydailynews.com/

PSM

11-13-2012, 16:00

Denver ABC affiliate:

:D

Box

11-13-2012, 18:47

She is working on a sequel to her book...

"Balls Deep: Inside the CIA"

Old Dog New Trick

11-13-2012, 18:57

So many places to post this.

Whatever the intended or unintentional consequence of an (alleged) affair, the General will get his day to explain.

http://wolf.house.gov/press-releases/wolf-calls-for-establishment-of-select-committee-to-investigate-benghazi-attack/

Representative Frank Wolf (VA R.) calls for select committee to investigate Benghazi and subsequent revelations surrounding the White House, DoS, DoJ, DoD, and CIA.

BKKMAN

11-13-2012, 19:50

She is working on a sequel to her book...

"Balls Deep: Inside the CIA"

I believe that would be "Balls Deep: The CIA Inside Me"

Old Dog New Trick

11-13-2012, 19:58

Gen. Petraeus must be thinking with friends' like the Kelley's who needs enemies...:eek: So much for keep your friends close, and your enemy closer. :rolleyes:

Box

11-13-2012, 21:00

You have to love the three ring circus we have become...

BOfH

11-13-2012, 21:01

You have to love the three ring circus we have become...

Hollyweird is going to suffer, not from the tax increases, but in playing second fiddle to this administration in entertainment value. :mad:

Noslack71

11-13-2012, 22:31

[QUOTE=Billy L-bach;474727]You have to love the three ring circus we have become...[/QUOTE

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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This article is about a concept in political satire. For other uses, see Bread and circuses (disambiguation).
"Bread and Circuses" (or bread and games) (from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metaphor for a superficial means of appeasement. In the case of politics, the phrase is used to describe the creation of public approval, not through exemplary or excellent public service or public policy, but through diversion, distraction, and/or the mere satisfaction of the immediate, shallow requirements of a populace,[1] as an offered "palliative." Juvenal decried it as a simplistic motivation of common people.[2][3][4] The phrase also implies the erosion or ignorance of civic duty amongst the concerns of the common man (l'homme moyen sensuel).
In modern usage, the phrase is taken to describe a populace that no longer values civic virtues and the public life. To many across the political spectrum, left and right, it connotes a supposed triviality and frivolity that characterized the Roman Republic prior to its decline into the autocratic monarchy characteristic of the later Roman Empire's transformation about 44 B.C.[citation needed]

Quite a coincidence, two, successful 4 Star Generals ( McChrystal & Petraeus) tainted by scandal during the President's tenure. Seems like an outbreak of questionable judgement.

Box

11-13-2012, 23:36

Quite a coincidence, THREE, successful 4 Star Generals ( McChrystal & Petraeus, and ALLEN) tainted by scandal during the President's tenure. Seems like an outbreak of questionable judgement.

If any of us behaved half as well as the top half behaves, we'd be shot at sunrise.

CPTAUSRET

11-14-2012, 06:24

If any of us behaved half as well as the top half behaves, we'd be shot at sunrise.

Too true, sadly.

Richard

11-14-2012, 07:13

General Petraeus was caught having sex with his biographer - now he can only have sex with his autobiographer. ~ David Letterman

JimP

11-14-2012, 08:24

You know, I really wouldn't care....until i think of all the careers that these guys destroyed for subordinates doing the same dammed thing!! I'd send them to jail for that reason alone. Were I SECDEF, I'd be digging through the files to see if any of these guys court-martialed and sent to jail any of their subordinates through the years for doing this. If so.....woe be unto them.

Streck-Fu

11-14-2012, 08:32

Charles Krauthammer claims that the administration knew and held it over Petraeus' head....The firing at the end of the election day could not be coincidental....

LINK (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/13/krauthammer-white-house-held-affair-over-petraeuss-head-favorable-tes#ixzz2CCRIbBuC)

Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer on Tuesday said the White House used David Petraeus’s affair to get the CIA director to give testimony about the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that was in line with the administration’s position on the matter.

Appearing on Fox News's Special Report, Krauthammer said, "The sword was lowered on Election Day" (video follows with transcript and commentary): (See video in link...

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: I think the really shocking news today was that General Petraeus thought and hoped he could keep his job. He thought that it might and it would be kept secret, and that he could stay in his position. I think what that tells us is really important. It meant that he understood that the FBI obviously knew what was going on. He was hoping that those administration officials would not disclose what had happened, and therefore hoping that he would keep his job. And that meant that he understood that his job, his reputation, his legacy, his whole celebrated life was in the hands of the administration, and he expected they would protect him by keeping it quiet.

And that brings us to the ultimate issue, and that is his testimony on September 13. That’s the thing that connects the two scandals, and that’s the only thing that makes the sex scandal relevant. Otherwise it would be an exercise in sensationalism and voyeurism and nothing else. The reason it’s important is here’s a man who knows the administration holds his fate in its hands, and he gives testimony completely at variance with what the Secretary of Defense had said the day before, at variance with what he’d heard from his station chief in Tripoli, and with everything that we had heard. Was he influenced by the fact that he knew his fate was held by people within the administration at that time?

As a point of reference, ABCNews.com reported on September 14:

The attack that killed four Americans in the Libyan consulate began as a spontaneous protest against the film “The Innocence of Muslims,” but Islamic militants who may have links to Al Qaeda used the opportunity to launch an attack, CIA Director David Petreaus told the House Intelligence Committee today according to one lawmaker who attended a closed-door briefing.

This of course was the administration line for almost two weeks after the attacks.

With that in mind, Krauthammer drove his point home further a few minutes later:

KRAUTHAMMER: Of course it was being held over Petraeus’s head, and the sword was lowered on Election Day. You don’t have to be a cynic to see that as the ultimate in cynicism. As long as they needed him to give the administration line to quote Bill, everybody was silent. And as soon as the election’s over, as soon as he can be dispensed with, the sword drops and he’s destroyed. I mean, can you imagine what it’s like to be on that pressure and to think it didn’t distort or at least in some way unconsciously influence his testimony? That’s hard to believe.

If Krauthammer is correct, it's going to be very interesting to see if and how the Obama-loving media reports it.

Noslack71

11-14-2012, 09:42

Quote:
Quite a coincidence, THREE, successful 4 Star Generals ( McChrystal & Petraeus, and ALLEN) tainted by scandal during the President's tenure. Seems like an outbreak of questionable judgement.
If any of us behaved half as well as the top half behaves, we'd be shot at sunrise.
_________________

Thanks. I pick up the mail and newspapers (WSJ & a local one) in the afternoon, haven't watched much TV lately, it is a vast wasteland. I was not aware that ALLEN's investigation was complete and he been fired/resigned. Looking forward to reading the story.
I believe I read that back in the early days of the Roman Empire that when they brought a winning General back for his parade, there was a servant at his feet in the chariot whose job was to repeat over and over " All Fame is Fleeting" while the crowd cheered the General's victories. Might be an idea whose time has come again. Not sure what series the MOS would be.

Diablo

11-14-2012, 10:24

Badger52

11-14-2012, 12:14

What surprises me is not very powerful men sneaking around with crazy slores, but that the FBI was able to keep this quiet since July. That seems as unlikely as Valarie Jarrett letting the military save their brothers in arms in Benghazi on Sept. 11th. The other piece of the puzzle that is missing is why would BO use his only leverage on P4 so early? Now P4 can go say what he damn well pleases knowing they've got nothing to hold over his head. For someone well versed in Chicago mob politics this seems like a rookie move, even for BO.They don't care, and they don't care who suspects what, or knows they don't care & blasts it from the rooftops. Regardless of what event outcome dovetails with what, they don't care - all is a collateral distraction as they march on. They can get another 1,000 days down the road, 1 foot, 1 day, (or 1 news cycle) at a time.

A security det, an Ambassador, a comms guy, yadayada for them. It only matters if there's a political downside because that's the only area where they're risk averse.

Then again, my $.02, worth what you paid for it on the internet.
:rolleyes:

ETA: Their sycophants should be concerned like Cicero, of waking up one day & finding themselves accused of something. (yes, that's simplistic, but that's my take on it - not that I give a shit about any of them. When you lie down with vipers...)

Team Sergeant

11-14-2012, 12:26

Funny how morality only applies to the military and not to idiots that sit in the White House.

"With all these affairs going on in the military, Bill Clinton's gotta be kicking himself for dodging the draft. I mean, look at what he missed. ... It sure seems to me that we have way too many generals taking orders from their privates."
~ Radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh

Dozer523

11-14-2012, 14:14

Rush would know.

Sigaba

11-14-2012, 14:40

If Krauthammer is correct....Then why wouldn't the disgraced general simply turn around and find a way to be brought back before Congress for additional testimony?:confused:

The most sustainable line of inquiry is the administration's basic competence in matters of national security affairs.

My two cents.

Old Dog New Trick

11-14-2012, 14:46

Then why wouldn't the disgraced general simply turn around and find a way to be brought back before Congress for additional testimony?:confused:

The most sustainable line of inquiry is the administration's basic competence in matters of national security affairs.

My two cents.

I've just read in the on-line USA Today, that he is going to testify in the Benghazi probe. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say without the shackles of the job hanging over him. :munchin

http://usat.ly/RCHV6x

Pete

11-14-2012, 15:28

I've just read in the on-line USA Today, that he is going to testify in the Benghazi probe. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say without the shackles of the job hanging over him. :munchin

http://usat.ly/RCHV6x

No mater what he says it will have never happened. The MSM will give it slight, if any coverage and the American public will get back to Dancing With the Stars.

Sigaba

11-14-2012, 15:50

No mater what he says it will have never happened. The MSM will give it slight, if any coverage and the American public will get back to Dancing With the Stars.FWIW, it is my perception that the news divisions at CBS and NBC are focusing ever more attention on Benghazi.

(Of course, the obvious metallic response is that the MSM is getting to have it both ways -- under report a story so the president could get re-elected and once he did, turn up the heat so outlets could appear professional.)

Streck-Fu

11-16-2012, 13:22

Interesting twist: LINK (http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/16/woman-in-petraeus-scandal-visited-white-house/)

WASHINGTON (AP) — An Obama administration official says a Tampa Bay socialite whose emails triggered the eventual downfall of CIA director David Petraeus visited the White House three times this year with her sister, twice eating in the Executive Mansion mess.

The official says that Jill Kelley, who initiated an investigation that ultimately unveiled Petraeus’ extramarital affair, and her sister had two “courtesy” meals at the White House mess as guests of a mid-level White House aide. Kelley and her family also received a White House tour. The visits occurred during the past three months.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because those visitor records have not yet been made public.

The official said the White House aide who hosted her met the Kelley family at MacDill Air Force Base near Tampa.

DIYPatriot

11-19-2012, 10:02

I wonder if she'll try to claim war hero status at some point. Regardless, she's developing quite the reputation for name-dropping her special title as a honorary consul to our friends in the ROK.

A New York businessman says Tampa, Florida, socialite Jill Kelley asked him for an $80 million commission if she used her influence to win a South Korean business contract. Kelley, who triggered an FBI investigation that led to the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus, claimed she was a high-level representative of the South Korean government, says the businessman, Adam Victor.

With the prospect of a commission on a $4 billion deal to provide natural gas, Kelley "tried to sell herself as something she was not," Victor, president of TransGas Development Systems, told CNN. "I told her she was crazy."

Article can be found here (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/16/us/petraeus-kelley-contract/index.html?hpt=hp_t2)

SF_BHT

11-19-2012, 14:26

She sounds more like a con artist than a socialite.

Richard

11-19-2012, 14:31

She sounds more like a con artist than a socialite.

There's a difference? :rolleyes:

Richard

Utah Bob

11-19-2012, 16:14

There's a difference? :rolleyes:

Richard

Rack size usually.

Badger52

11-27-2012, 14:40

She sounds more like a con artist than a socialite.http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15484600-south-korea-to-sack-tampa-socialite-jill-kelley-as-honorary-consul?lite

By NBC News and news services
Jill Kelley, the Tampa, Fla., socialite who inadvertently launched the FBI investigation that led to the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus, will be sacked as an “honorary consul” for South Korea because she used the title for personal gain, a senior official said Monday during a U.S. visit.

Her "inviolable" property line now ain't.
:rolleyes:

DIYPatriot

11-27-2012, 16:13

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/27/15484600-south-korea-to-sack-tampa-socialite-jill-kelley-as-honorary-consul?lite

Her "inviolable" property line now ain't.
:rolleyes:

I was wondering how long it would take to yank that title away from her.

Richard

01-07-2014, 10:19

PPSD - Post Petraeus Stress Disorder? Caveat emptor.

And so it goes...

Richard

From Petraeus Scandal, an Apostle for Privacy
NYT, 5 jAN 2014

Jill Kelley still glances around for cameras before she leaves her large, six-columned house on Hillsborough Bay, and she rarely goes to the grocery store. Since November 2012, when the government released her name in connection with a scandal that brought down the head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Ms. Kelley has yet to return to her children’s schools, she said, and could not even summon the courage to go to their holiday plays.

Desperate to restore her reputation, resume her old life and, she said, protect others from similar ordeals, Ms. Kelley is, with the help of some of the nation’s most renowned and expensive privacy lawyers, suing three federal agencies and a spate of current and former Pentagon and F.B.I. officials. She asserts that they violated her privacy, defamed her and improperly gained access to her email without her consent, all in a way that hurt her reputation and livelihood.

Reclusion remains an uncomfortable cloak for Ms. Kelley, 38, who just over a year ago was the social spindle of MacDill Air Force Base here: a woman known for her lavish parties and connections with the top leaders of United States Central Command, which oversees American military operations in the Middle East. Commanders and their wives were regulars at her dining room table, where Champagne flowed under a huge oil painting of Ms. Kelley and her husband, Scott T. Kelley, a cancer surgeon.

“People don’t understand what I went through,” Ms. Kelley said in a recent interview, conducted in her breakfast room with breathtaking views of Hillsborough Bay. “I am still suffering the consequences from the bad acts and false and untrue headlines. They created a sideshow at my expense.” Her demeanor vacillated between cheerful, determined and pained; she occasionally wiped away tears.

In a lawsuit that is half legal document and half news release, Ms. Kelley seeks damages and a formal apology from the government for revealing her identity after she reported what she assumed was a crime: threatening emails sent by a woman with whom Gen. David H. Petraeus, then director of the C.I.A., was having an affair. The suit, filed in United States District Court for the District of Columbia, is also an attempt by Ms. Kelley to tell her side of a story that she says was distorted and dismissed, leaving her family as collateral damage.

A spokesman for the F.B.I., Michael P. Kortan, declined to comment on the specifics of the case, citing the continuing litigation. “We approach all investigations equally and in accordance with guidelines and the law,” he said.

Several privacy experts said that while Ms. Kelley was an unlikely advocate for the right to live free from the public’s glare, her claims of government overreach would resonate, particularly as the nation debates the proper balance of personal privacy and national security.

(Cont'd) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/us/from-petraeus-scandal-an-apostle-for-privacy.html?_r=2&

MR2

01-07-2014, 17:16

In a lawsuit that is half legal document and half news release

Sounds like a pity party.

MtnGoat

01-07-2014, 18:48

She is a joke.. Leave women just leave

Penn

02-05-2015, 06:33

Petraeus rant

In addition to MC Chrystal and Allen, at what point did the National Democratic Leadership decide to ruin the reputation of General David Petraeus, and for what purpose, if not to prevent the Good General a bid for the presidency of the United States.

Obviously, it could not have been to protect the Democratic leadership from a soiled reputation linking the presidency to affairs in office, we have blue dresses and interns readily available to attest, that moral integrity is not a deeply embedded value.

Resignation certainly was not a consideration for Bill Clinton, he fought a long political battle with his wife, Hillary, who was willing to swallow her pride and stand by her man, for him to remain in office as the President of the United States.

Certainly, his indiscretion was completely outrageous. If, in the corporate world a CEO committed the same violation of trust, utilizing his position of power to sexually compromise a college intern, that CEO would be subject to both criminal and civil actions. He would be forced to resign.

How is it that General Petraeus affair with a consenting adult is comparable to the outrageous emotional assault perpetrated by then President Clinton on the college intern, Monica Lewinsky, that he was forced to resign from the CIA, for his affair with Ms. Paula Broadwell, which, according to the FBI, began with his appointment to the agency.

“Of course, the affair would not have precipitated Petraeus’s downfall if the FBI hadn’t decided to investigate. It all began when the FBI fielded a complaint from Jill Kelley that she was being harassed via email. When agents began looking at the emails, they wondered if the sender—Broadwell—posed a threat to the CIA director’s safety. “She knew his schedule, and that was pretty troubling,” says one law-enforcement official. Once they discovered that the two were having an affair, agents had to examine the possibility that she was extracting secrets from Petraeus for a foreign intelligence service. They quickly dismissed that scenario. Next, investigators looked for evidence that Petraeus had disclosed classified information to Broadwell, even if not as part of an espionage plot. No evidence supported that theory. The FBI also looked at whether Petraeus might have been complicit in Broadwell’s alleged cyber-harassment of Kelley, but that was a dead end”. Klaidman (2012)

http://www.newsweek.com/david-petraeus-scandal-fall-general-63813

The same article states that the General was engaged by Broadwell on a competitive run and she wins the race, stating: “but it didn’t really count,” she said, “because he was going through radiation treatments for prostate cancer”, which begs the question, can you achieve an erection if you are under treatment for prostate cancer? If not, did pride cause the General to resign, rather than admit to this dysfunction?

Whatever the personal reasons, I believe with the loss of Petraeus as a possible Presidential candidate, so uniquely qualified in this time, with the current wars, Four Star General holding a Phd, in International Relations from Princeton, will have us lead by less informed politicians, who lack the global experience Petraeus has attained and would bring to the table, is equivalent to losing a force not seen since Eisenhower.

Regardless of the legacy of the Eisenhower Presidency, he was uniquely qualified for his time and place, and I would argue was respected by the international community for his experience. Petraeus is no different.

http://millercenter.org/president/eisenhower/essays/biography/9

Rant off

MR2

02-05-2015, 09:17

Petraeus rant

I bet that was a long time simmering. Good to get that off your chest.

Well said brother.

Box

02-05-2015, 09:40

"Dude, that happened like two years ago!"

The Reaper

02-05-2015, 09:43

"Dude, that happened like two years ago!"

Do you think he doesn't hear about it at home any more? :D

TR

Penn

02-05-2015, 14:39

miclo18d

02-05-2015, 16:57

I know it was 2 yrs ago, but at some point, hopefully soon, Petraeus will reenter the fray. If the country can get by the rehabilitation of the Clinton persona, the country can form a new appraisal of General Petraeus. It begins by people talking, possibly through social media platforms, that could form a dialogue which becomes a national conversation. Imagine if the 34K plus members here all sent one note to their collection of Facebook friends asking a question concerning Petraeus, it would quickly trend and be picked up by the Media, maybe he could be the GOP's next candidate.....
I didn't think what slick willy did was honorable and it still disgusts me, the shame he brought to the office. What makes Patreaus any better? Be cause he may be a stand up General? Because he wrote a manual? Because he may be a republican or perhaps a conservative?

They both shamed themselves and their families. They deserve nothing.

Joker

02-05-2015, 17:42

I didn't think what slick willy did was honorable and it still disgusts me, the shame he brought to the office. What makes Patreaus any better? Be cause he may be a stand up General? Because he wrote a manual? Because he may be a republican or perhaps a conservative?

They both shamed themselves and their families. They deserve nothing.

What he said.

MR2

02-05-2015, 17:47

+2

This forum requires that you wait 90 seconds between posts. Please try again in 90 seconds. :rolleyes:

Penn

02-05-2015, 22:14

I am not speaking to what he deserves, but rather, what the country needs with regard to leadership.

Petraeus is uniquely qualified, forget redemption. It is larger than that, it's about our leaderless country and very challenging times.

Name one person who can stand in the same room with him as an equal? No one, imo, except Gingrich comes to mind .

Peregrino

02-05-2015, 22:21

Quality leadership starts with strong moral character. Qualifications run a distant second. A moral man can surround himself with experts of similar character to balance any perceived weaknesses. An immoral man will likewise surround himself with men of similar character, qualifications be damned. I think America has already had enough of self serving immoral leadership.

Penn

02-05-2015, 22:34

Quality leadership starts with strong moral character. I agree, please point me in the direction where I may find it exampled within the current senior leadership of either party.

As for his transgression, it is arguable, if in fact he physically consummated his affair, considering his prostrate cancer treatment, which Mrs. Broadwell referenced, and which has been noted as a erection killer.

mark46th

02-05-2015, 22:42

I agree Penn. He has paid his penance. If he can provide leadership and guidance against the islamists, sign him up.

Penn

02-05-2015, 23:09

What the country doesn't need is a leader who understands the issues and can teach the following subjects, to future leaders. We are willing to allow the lost which was ensnared in a Machiavellian political game; and then add that moral qualities only need apply.

Petraeus has a doctorate from Princeton University and has written widely on international relations, military strategy and tactics, and national security issues. He also has taught economics and international relations at the U.S. Military Academy.

Retired Army Gen. David Petraeus will take a new job with investment firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. L.P. as he attempts to rebuild his reputation after an extramarital affair with a biographer triggered his resignation as CIA director last fall.

Petraeus, 60, will serve as chairman of the New York firm's newly created KKR Global Institute. He was CIA director from September 2011 until last November. Before that, Petraeus served more than 37 years in the U.S. Army, where he rose to the rank of four-star general.

Petraeus served as commander of NATO forces in Afghanistan and also commanded forces in Iraq in 2007 and 2008, when violence in that country dropped following a surge in military forces.

KKR said Thursday that Petraeus will support its investment teams and portfolio companies when studying new investments, especially in new locations. The company did not detail terms of its agreement with Petraeus, but a spokeswoman said he will serve in a consultant's role.

Petraeus has a doctorate from Princeton University and has written widely on international relations, military strategy and tactics, and national security issues. He also has taught economics and international relations at the U.S. Military Academy.

Petraeus will add the new job to a couple of teaching assignments. Earlier this month, the University of Southern California announced that he will join its faculty to teach classes and mentor ROTC members.

In April, Macaulay Honors College at City University of New York named Petraeus a visiting professor for public policy starting next August. He said in a statement released by Macaulay that he was looking forward to leading a seminar on the global economic slowdown.

KKR said the global institute will help it focus on issues that can affect its global investments. Those include public policy, regulatory and technology trends. The institute also will build on KKR's push to help its portfolio companies expand globally.

KKR invests in companies and, in general, hopes to profit by selling them a few years later. KKR also has an asset management business, which invests in debt and equities, and a capital markets business, which arranges debt financing for deals and underwrites stock sales for other companies. It had $78.3 billion in assets under management as of March 31.

Shares of the company fell 5 cents to $20.06 Thursday before markets opened. But the stock has climbed more than 30 percent since closing 2012 at $15.23.

Because he had sex outside his marriage? YGTBSM!

dennisw

02-06-2015, 00:31

miclo18d

02-06-2015, 07:45

The whole incident with Petraeus wasn't in my opinion an accident. Remember when Bill and Hillary were caught with illegal possession of FBI files. Do you believe that was an accident?

In the digital age and with the ability to access emails etc. is it any wonder how many general officers, especially those not friendly with he current administration have had their indiscretions exposed. How clean and neat. I'm sure these folks were careful, but their reputations ended up in tatters and they were summarily dismissed. If you look at Petraeus, his situation was brought to the forefront right after Dems came up with the their list of bullshit reasons the attack in Benghazi took place. For some reason, Petraeus washed his hands of the situation. Shortly thereafter, his affair was exposed. My, what a coincidence. I'm sure they were holding this over his head, then once the damage was done, they went public with the information.

I think the general was played big time. Did he have an affair? Is it really the threshold issue? I contend the real issue is whether or not this administration has been using the various government investigative agencies to collect dirt on any and all of their opponents. I mean if you look how Obama was elected in Chicago. How sealed court documents related to his opponents were suddenly unsealed and made public. Is it any less doubtful that he is capable of using for his own benefit this new digital surveillance which is current at his disposal. Look at what happened at the IRS. Supporters of conservative organizations were made public by the IRS. Was it inadvertent? An accident? It's the nature of the beast.

As far as the morality of General Petraeus is concerned, I would say, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
I think that for me, he could have just kept his d**k in his pants and been the best candidate. As far as whether or not he did the deed, when in doubt, he did it. I had a married young pup, flirting with a girl on a deployment and he told me he didn't do anything. I asked him if his wife would believe that when she found out. He saw the light in the logic. If a **** star General can't find that logic train, why would I vote for him?

Just because you are a general doesn't neccessar make you a good politician. Washington, Eisenhower, Grant, Hayes, Garfield, Jackson, Harrison(x2), and Pierce. Some made good presidents, some did not, some....meh.

As far as candidates go.... Scott Walker and Ted Cruz so far are my picks. We'll see what dirt they have on them.

sinjefe

02-06-2015, 07:52

Petraeus is no savior and the world will keep turning without him. There isn't a human on the face of the earth that we "need" in any public office.

GreenSalsa

02-06-2015, 08:35

Petraeus is no savior and the world will keep turning without him. There isn't a human on the face of the earth that we "need" in any public office.

X10

Box

02-06-2015, 11:14

...I would opine that the nation needs his leadership as badly as we would need any other hypocrite politicians leadership. Good men had their careers destroyed for FAR less than the good general got away with and people knew yet STILL allowed him to continue his climb.

He gets none of my support. I'd vote for an unknown independent before I'd vote for him.

Peregrino

02-06-2015, 12:51

Penn

02-06-2015, 13:36

I understand. I'll narrow my point. Considering the current global conflicts, we could conclude we are engaged in a non-declared low intensity world war.

If that is true, imoo, in order to win that fight, we next an individual who is skilled politically and militarily. Additionally, that individual must understand and be able to execute a foreign policy that addresses the present and future of our Country.

Please present a candidate that has the moral integrity you demand, and also possesses with the intellectual capacity to accomplish the end goal of an orderly world with America future insured.

That candidate does not exist, but in Petraeus, we have a skilled politically adroit (all levels of foreign policy and in the trenches of Washington) individual who also understands what is needed militarily to win the fight. He doesn't have to be brought up to speed, he is already in gear.

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach View Post
...I would opine that the nation needs his leadership as badly as we would need any other hypocrite politicians leadership. Good men had their careers destroyed for FAR less than the good general got away with and people knew yet STILL allowed him to continue his climb.

He gets none of my support. I'd vote for an unknown independent before I'd vote for him.

Churchill was not loved by his peer's, but he got the job done.

JimP

02-06-2015, 14:07

Coming through the ranks, how many of his subordinates do you think he crushed for the VERY SAME CONDUCT??!!??

I say we judge/condemn him by his own standards. He passed judgment on a lot of soldiers throughout the years....payback is a bitch.

Remember - this is the dude that would pick his staff based on how fast they ran. :rolleyes:

miclo18d

02-06-2015, 18:00

That candidate does not exist, but in Petraeus, we have a skilled politically adroit (all levels of foreign policy and in the trenches of Washington) individual who also understands what is needed militarily to win the fight. He doesn't have to be brought up to speed, he is already in gear.
I think we are looking at this with a different lens. The Patraeus that I read about was a political light weight that got his azz handed to him as the director of the CIA! To wield that power and be taken down by a "whoooer", quite frankly is embarrassing.

On top of that. He betrayed the public trust and instead of doing his job as a 60 y/o with prostate problems, was probably downing 300millies of sildenafil citrate a night to keep it up for the hot and sultry Paula Broadwell (more like Paula Broadforehead).

Where you see a leader, I see another hack that doesn't care who he walks on to get to where he's going. Where you see his ability to know the battlefield, I see that he can't even see his own political demise coming. Where you see an astute student of counterinsurgency, I see a person that just rehashed old manuals from the past and made them relevant to the infantry that couldn't adapt to the SF mission.

I think you give him way more credit than he deserves.

Peregrino

02-06-2015, 19:50

Please present a candidate that has the moral integrity you demand, and also possesses with the intellectual capacity to accomplish the end goal of an orderly world with America future insured.

I seem to recall Dims condemning Ronald Reagan for "lacking the intellectual capacity" you attribute to Petraeus. IIRC, the America and the world, he left Bush was much stronger and far better respected than the ones he inherited from Carter. Maybe the virtues you're extolling aren't nearly as important as morality, a positive vision, and the ability to communicate both so that people want to be a part of making it happen.

Are you aware that the most popular "Nom de Guerre" bestowed on Petraeus by the troops was "Betrayus"?

Joker

02-06-2015, 20:57

..."Betrayus"

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Penn

02-07-2015, 00:34

Miclo18dThe Patraeus that I read about was a political light weight that got his azz handed to him as the director of the CIA! To wield that power and be taken down by a "whoooer", quite frankly is embarrassing.

You base your opinion on what you have read. I understand, but everything written has an agenda, I offer the following:

https://books.google.com/books?id=dzp6Us02wdMC&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=nom+de+guerre+Betrayus&source=bl&ots=IK1EYdRvwL&sig=OzsGLf1gy3CVHA9kYjhHprsnIwc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZaPVVJDgHcnBggS22YPIAQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=nom%20de%20guerre%20Betrayus&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

According to Petraeus associate Steven A. Boylan, Petraeus began an affair withPaula Broadwell, principal author of his biography, All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, in late 2011 when he was no longer an active duty military officer.

(in late 2011 when he was no longer an active duty military officer) thats a big deal...!!!

miclo18d

02-07-2015, 06:24

Miclo18d

You base your opinion on what you have read. I understand, but everything written has an agenda, I offer the following:

https://books.google.com/books?id=dzp6Us02wdMC&pg=PA291&lpg=PA291&dq=nom+de+guerre+Betrayus&source=bl&ots=IK1EYdRvwL&sig=OzsGLf1gy3CVHA9kYjhHprsnIwc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZaPVVJDgHcnBggS22YPIAQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=nom%20de%20guerre%20Betrayus&f=false
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Petraeus

According to Petraeus associate Steven A. Boylan, Petraeus began an affair withPaula Broadwell, principal author of his biography, All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, in late 2011 when he was no longer an active duty military officer.

(in late 2011 when he was no longer an active duty military officer) thats a big deal...!!!
Your source is a long time Petraeus associate (read crony)

I live here in Tampa. Everyone here knows about all of the socialite (probably swingers club) circles that Davey Boy was involved with. The whole reason that he was caught was because of the jealousy of Broadwell with the wife of a surgeon here in Tampa (read: CENTCOM/during active duty time.

For my evidence I present, not evidence of an affair but the fact that he is in uniform and knows her...quite well. She was writing his biography. ¿Que no?

Joker

02-07-2015, 06:38

IMO Petraeus is a POS that cannot be trusted. I would not vote for him as a pubican primary candidate, but I would vote for him before any current dummyctats.

I base my opinions from professional interactions and close observations.

Toaster

02-07-2015, 08:49

I've got to stand with the moral high ground for our leaders. When they have a weak point in their armor, in today's age, they have to murder (figuratively or literally) anyone with the evidence, or they'll be done for. That opens them up to blackmail and has them focusing their mental energies on "how can I keep from getting caught" instead of "how can I make America a better place?".

The only guy I see that has the integrity beyond reproach is Dr. Ben Carson. The only thing he has against him, he published in his book and movie Gifted Hands, (find it on youtube) was that he tried to stab a kid when he was real young. That showed him that he had to control his anger

He's written a few books about how to make America a better place. "One Vote" and "One Nation" are both good books. They explain to those who read them that they actually have a voice in how this nation turns out, and give hope. That hope is something that the Republican't party has not been able to express. The whole strategy for Romney was "hey, it's not Obama" If you go into a fight trying not to lose, you'll get stomped by the person whose there to win. Hillary is doing everything in their power to win, already, this far out. The Republican't party doesn't even have a plan, other than not do the Democrap stuff.

I'm sure that Dr. Carson would pick honest experts to serve in his cabinet. I think that he also may be able to take away part of the historically democratic black vote, because he actually grew up as a poor black boy, versus whatever upbringing Obama had.

PSM

02-07-2015, 10:30

The only thing he has against him, he published in his book and movie Gifted Hands, (find it on youtube) was that he tried to stab a kid when he was real young.

He's also kind of wishy-washy on 2A, as well. He doesn't think that cityfolk should possess guns.

Pat

Penn

02-07-2015, 11:22

Joker. I base my opinions from professional interactions and close observations.

Is it possible you could speak to those interactions, his strengths, composure, knowledge of issues, his demeanor speaking with staff, casual or formal bearing. your assessment of his public persona...etc,. Thanks, d

Joker

02-07-2015, 14:54

Joker.

Is it possible you could speak to those interactions, his strengths, composure, knowledge of issues, his demeanor speaking with staff, casual or formal bearing. your assessment of his public persona...etc,. Thanks, d

My interactions are based upon two four star commands and their close proximity and requests.

His strengths were he was charismatic and really looked after his mentorees, I saw a couple of O3s that had unencumbered email access and if they needed/wanted to talk to him he was there.

He relied upon his senior staff for the knowledge of the situations. But when he wanted something he would ignore this advice.

What I saw was that his support by his staff was shallow. He was known by King David behind his back. That was not the Biblical King David either. He was a vindictive type for those that did not support him. His ideas were twice soundly defeated in the Tank in DC and his attitude towards SOCOM was unprofessional.

I never saw him in a public venue as I don't enjoy ass kissers and refuse to be around them. I have seen several in the regular force but very few in SOF; not saying that we don't have them but luckily the leadership here doesn't suffer many fools.

He was a good military leader at one point that became blinded by the shine of his stars and lost his way. He believed his OERs and believed that he was the Teflon Superman (bullet proof). If he would have used his brilliance and leadership displayed when he was a 1-3 star, things may have been different for him.

Penn

02-12-2015, 06:17

Joker, Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

abc_123

04-23-2015, 13:41

So he gets a $100G fine and 2yrs probation.

A slap on the wrist.

He can afford the fine... and the probation.

SF_BHT

04-23-2015, 15:41

Well you know that the little people get jail and the top shelf gets slapped on the hand. Just about what I figured he would get....

Oldrotorhead

04-23-2015, 17:14

40 + years ago I saw a Major's career go tits up. I handed him top secret docs, and he signed for them, this was in Korea and after 7 or so PM on a Friday. The next morning I was called to my base CO's office to ask what I did with the docs. I gave them the receipt the Major signed and I was off the hook. As I understand the Major dropped the docs on his dresser in the BOQ and went to the club intending to bring them to the office on Monday. Even though the seal was not broken this ended his career short of retirement.
The General knowingly shared docs with someone with a security clearance but had no need to know and may or may not have been cleared for all of that information. He also made notes of information that was classified and kept it in notebooks, and those notebooks were not secured. I think there could have been more charges against him that were negotiated away for a plea deal.
I don't care what he has on the plus side, this pretty much out weighs whatever was on the plus side of the scale IMO

The Reaper

04-23-2015, 18:31

Wow.

What punishment is Ms. Clinton getting for exchanging God only knows how much classified info from her unsecured home server, which has also been compromised?

TR

Badger52

04-23-2015, 19:38

Wow.

What punishment is Ms. Clinton getting for exchanging God only knows how much classified info from her unsecured home server, which has also been compromised?

TRWe know the answer sir. One thing that chafes me is that so many of the hounds focus on "how do we know what was deleted?" They should focus on the obvious lie she has gone on the record with, to wit: "No classified material..." was ever on that system or her email account. We all know that's a load of horsehockey given even minimum classification of traffic involving simple source assessments of whether Head of State A is gonna be grumpy with indigestion at tomorrow's roundtable, or that Minister B got laid last night. But like many inquiries they will not ask the right question and are too loathe to simply call someone a liar.