View Full Version : Requests to support Benghazi team denied 3 times
USANick7
10-26-2012, 11:43
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/
This Libyan Fiasco will be to Obama as Bay of Pigs was to Kennedy.
Truly sad and what a waste. :mad:
Red Flag 1
10-26-2012, 20:12
This Libyan Fiasco will be to Obama as Bay of Pigs was to Kennedy.
Truly sad and what a waste. :mad:
Earlier today, on Rush's EIB Talk Show; a theory was floated exploring the thought that the issue that the Ambassador was supposed to be kidnapped, and held for randsom. The randsom was for the "return" of the "blind sheik". The theory was suggested to support the idea of the repeated turndowns for direct action to defend the Ambassador. The idea of adding more arms to the issue would be detrimental, and put the Ambassador at greater risk.
Quite a theory:eek:. But the question remains, "why no support", before and/or during the event. Just more and more questions, with no answers.
I think the usual reply of, "It's Bush's fault" won't fly this time.
RF 1
I had the kidnap thought earlier this week, but guessed it was to trade the Ambassador for the Blind Sheik and not for more weapons. Rationale was that they did not blow open the safe room which probably would have killed anyone inside and the alleged association of the attackers with Egyptian groups.
Who knows anymore with all the lies, damn lies, and fairy tales the Administration has been telling.
ZonieDiver
10-26-2012, 20:34
This Libyan Fiasco will be to Obama as Bay of Pigs was to Kennedy.
Truly sad and what a waste. :mad:
This 'fiasco' won't come to light until after Obama is re-elected (sorry Dusty... it pains me, but I think it will come to pass, though I pray it will not). After his 100 days' "honeymoon", many in the MSM will turn on him and become 'baying hounds' - a la Nixon-Watergate. Though many are liberals, they all want Pulitzers, or to be famous...and this would give it to them. (See Woodward-Bernstein, or Rather)
Then... impeachment hearings, Senate trial, whatever.
The end result - paralysis. Just what the USofA needs in the next few years.
That's my nightmare... and I ain't putting this in the Comedy Zone.
(I left out 'resignation - and a Biden presidency' because I do have to sleep tonight.)
Dozer523
10-26-2012, 20:53
Earlier today, on Rush's EIB Talk Show; a theory was floated exploring the thought that the issue that the Ambassador was supposed to be kidnapped, and held for randsom. The randsom was for the "return" of the "blind sheik". The theory was suggested to support the idea of the repeated turndowns for direct action to defend the Ambassador. The idea of adding more arms to the issue would be detrimental, and put the Ambassador at greater risk. Am I understanding that Rush is floating the idea that the American White House planned for our Ambassador (selected and nominated by this administration) to be captured and held for ransom so there would be an excuse for this administration to release an enemy of the US? And somehow the plan got a little out of control resulting in the Ambassador's death? Holy Shite!
"Movin on up ... to the East Side! To a De-lux apartment in the sky. Oh, oh oh!
Movin on up cuz the ALCOA stock's gonna be high, high, high!
frostfire
10-26-2012, 20:57
this latest development sent shivers down my spine. Even if the higher up says no, I thought personnel on stand by would side with their conscience, oath, duty, and honor, and render aid
looks like time to put a halt in my CIA application process
Am I understanding that Rush is floating the idea...
No. A caller called in and said that he heard (or read) it.
Pat
ZonieDiver
10-26-2012, 21:55
No. A caller called in and said that he heard (or read) it.
Pat
Okay, where was Paslode today?:D
Okay, where was Paslode today?:D
Don't know, Sarge. Not my day to watch him. ;) :D
Pat
This 'fiasco' won't come to light until after Obama is re-elected (sorry Dusty... it pains me, but I think it will come to pass, though I pray it will not). After his 100 days' "honeymoon", many in the MSM will turn on him and become 'baying hounds' - a la Nixon-Watergate. Though many are liberals, they all want Pulitzers, or to be famous...and this would give it to them. (See Woodward-Bernstein, or Rather)
Then... impeachment hearings, Senate trial, whatever.
The end result - paralysis. Just what the USofA needs in the next few years.
That's my nightmare... and I ain't putting this in the Comedy Zone.
(I left out 'resignation - and a Biden presidency' because I do have to sleep tonight.)
The House impeaches, the Senate holds the trial. A conviction on impeachment requires a super-majority in the Senate...just not going to happen in a Democrat-controlled Senate, even if a Republican-controlled House voted to impeach President Obama...
My guess is the IF President Obama was reelected (and I don't believe that that will happen), even if Libya/Benghazi gets dug into, I personally think there will be no shortage of liberals in the Obama White House/Administration who will fall on their sword(s) on cue, to protect him...
ZonieDiver
10-26-2012, 23:00
The House impeaches, the Senate holds the trial. A conviction on impeachment requires a super-majority in the Senate...just not going to happen in a Democrat-controlled Senate, even if a Republican-controlled House voted to impeach President Obama...
My guess is the IF President Obama was reelected (and I don't believe that that will happen), even if Libya/Benghazi gets dug into, I personally think there will be no shortage of liberals in the Obama White House/Administration who will fall on their sword(s) on cue, to protect him...
About 40 years ago, I never would have thought that Barry Goldwater would recommend that a sitting, Republican President of the US should resign to avoid an impeachment by the House and a loss in the Senate trial that even he (Goldwater) would join in voting to convict. But, he did.
MOO, Romney will win the popular vote by less than 2%, but fail to carry a couple of 'battleground' states by narrow margins, and Obama will win the Electoral College.
Do I think my nightmare will happen? No, I don't. Like most nightmares, it is just that. However, I don't think this Libya mess will be resolved in the next ten days or so, either. Therefore, I am praying that what we are witnessing is massive incompetence on many levels and in many government areas - and not some 'evil plot' - which it seems to me that some here are relishing WILL be the case.
Airbornelawyer
10-26-2012, 23:04
Am I understanding that Rush is floating the idea that the American White House planned for our Ambassador (selected and nominated by this administration) to be captured and held for ransom so there would be an excuse for this administration to release an enemy of the US? And somehow the plan got a little out of control resulting in the Ambassador's death? Holy Shite!
I think the theory wasn't that there was any WH plan. Rather, that when the WH first was notified of the attack on the Embassy, someone theorized that the attack was an attempt to kidnap/hold hostage the ambassador. Therefore, they counseled against a direct action response, thinking that might endanger any hostages. Similar to the pre-9/11 protocols when terrorists attempt to hijack an airliner, where the assumption was that the hijackers were seizing the aircraft as a prelude to negotiations, so flight crews were instructed to cooperate.
About 40 years ago, I never would have thought that Barry Goldwater would recommend that a sitting, Republican President of the US should resign to avoid an impeachment by the House and a loss in the Senate trial that even he (Goldwater) would join in voting to convict. But, he did.
MOO, Romney will win the popular vote by less than 2%, but fail to carry a couple of 'battleground' states by narrow margins, and Obama will win the Electoral College.
Do I think my nightmare will happen? No, I don't. Like most nightmares, it is just that. However, I don't think this Libya mess will be resolved in the next ten days or so, either. Therefore, I am praying that what we are witnessing is massive incompetence on many levels and in many government areas - and not some 'evil plot' - which it seems to me that some here are relishing WILL be the case.
Color me optimistic, brother...:D I agree that at times it has felt like Romney and his campaign managers were doing everything in their power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...
I also hope that it is just sheer incompetence or the perfect convergence of a multitude of careerist drones who exemplify the Peter Principle, rather than a deliberate and calculated decision or series of decisions...
I think the theory wasn't that there was any WH plan. Rather, that when the WH first was notified of the attack on the Embassy, someone theorized that the attack was an attempt to kidnap/hold hostage the ambassador. Therefore, they counseled against a direct action response, thinking that might endanger any hostages. Similar to the pre-9/11 protocols when terrorists attempt to hijack an airliner, where the assumption was that the hijackers were seizing the aircraft as a prelude to negotiations, so flight crews were instructed to cooperate.
Should have called the Israelis...those cats are pretty good at dealing with highjackings in Africa...Entebbe anyone? As a matter of fact, Bibi Netanyahu's older brother was killed during that operation...
Okay, where was Paslode today?:D
Yesterday, observing from Buffalo Wildwings ;)
Who knows anymore with all the lies, damn lies, and fairy tales the Administration has been telling.
True, and his circle of radical friends also adds to the confusion. Also add the the Administration skewed view of terrorism and inability to call it what it is....
“the department is dealing with the threat of violent Islamist extremism in the context of a broader threat of workplace violence.”
That is all this violence in Benghazi was, it was Work Place Violence.
Red Flag 1
10-27-2012, 09:54
No. A caller called in and said that he heard (or read) it.
Pat
Thanks Pat, got a trifle busy. Sorta-kinda "logical" reason for a "stand down", and shut up response to requests for an armed response .
The left has never forgiven the GOP for Watergate, or gore's loss. I can see the liberals giving obama and his followers a pass on all of this to even the score. The deaths that resulted are of no concern, the left is deserving of this whole mess getting a well deserved free ride. The response demonstrated by obama to one family he met with @ Andrews AFB, the Cross family IIRC, was that it was an unfortunate event for Mr. obama.
RF 1
XngZeRubicon
10-28-2012, 19:12
The lies, the incompetence, and the obfuscation are sickening. And the more we allow days to go by without the President being held accountable, the heavier the obfuscation gets.
The list of things that should be questioned is a long one, starting with why the two attacks before the 9/11 attack supposedly got ignored by the White House, to not responding to the Ambassador's pleas for security, to the way the crisis was handled from an operational standpoint, and then to the lies being told afteward.
I personally believe the President is not only spinning the truth, but is outright lying about his involvement in the incident. Having worked in the role of disseminating intelligence throughout the National Command Authority at one time, one thing is fairly certain from my experience. Since the operation we all now know about involved flying U.S. assets into Libya, this meant we'd either have to get permission from the Libyans or violate the borders of a sovereign nation, which as we all know, can be interpreted as an act of war. And there is only one individual in this country who has the power to give the go ahead if the answer had to be the latter. And that is the Commander -in-Chief.
I wasn't there, but the odds of POTUS not being asked which way his decision would go about violating Libyan airspace if they had to is pretty close to zero.