Six Guns

[The Reaper]

Okay, here is a new one, not necessarily about revolvers. :D

In this scenario, you are limited to ownership of six firearms, maximum, for the rest of your life, selected from production weapons available today. No Class Three, for purposes of this discussion.

Let's not get bogged down into the discussion of how we got to that point, or how to cheat and have access to more.

List the six firearms you would choose if you knew they were the only six you were ever going to own for defense, hunting, target shooting, etc. They can be weapons you presently own, or would like to own.

I'll go first.

1. Carbine: Bravo Company lightweight 16" M4, flattop, 5.56, TA31 RCO or 1.5-5x Leupold. Spare uppers in multiple calibers and barrel configurations, if possible, along with a .22LR conversion unit.

2. Battle Rifle: M1A in an E2 stock, alternate FN-FAL or SR-25, TA11 or 1.5-5x scope, 7.62x51 NATO.

3. LR/Hunting Rifle: Remington 700 PSS, Nightforce 5-22x scope. Alternate, custom build on a pre-64 Winchester M70, .300 Win Mag.

4. Pistol: HK P2000, .40 S&W. Alternate, ParaOrdnance P14 Limted, .45 ACP.

5. Rimfire pistol: S&W 41 or Ruger Mark I or II, .22LR.

6. Shotgun: Remington 870 shotgun, extended mag 20" barrel, RemChokes, 12 gauge. Spare barrels in multiple lengths, if possible. Alternate, Benelli M1 Super 90, 12 gauge.

Anyone else who has a half dozen they could live with/not live without?

TR

[Barbarian]

One question, Sir.

Are we to assume the status of ammo availability is normal?

[twistedsquid]

One question, Sir.

Are we to assume the status of ammo availability is normal?

i
I was thinking the same...specifically considering the choice of 40 cal rather than 9mm for the handgun...but the GOV is procurring 40 cal at aggressive rates....hmmm....Reaper

[fng13]

1. Carbine - Colt 6920 with RIS II, Eotech xps, Surefire light, VFG

2. Battle Rifle - SCAR-17s with Nightforce 2.5x10 with offset Insight MRDS or 1x4 NXS to save weight.

3. LR rifle - Accuracy International AX338 with 5x22x56 NXS

4. Pistol - Glock 19 with .22 conversion kit

5. .22 Rifle - Ruger 10/22 with Aimpoint T1 or MRDS

6. Shotgun - Remington MCS complete kit with Eotech xps


Alternates

1. BCM-16 same set up
2. HK MR762/Colt 901 same setup (rationale being same controls as AR-15)
3. McMillan Tac-308 Same scope (this would be friendlier to my AO as there is no big game around that can't be taken with .308

4. SW M&P Pro 9mm or HK USP combat competition 9mm with Light LEM trigger
5. CZ 452 with low power scope
6. Benelli M4 with full mag tube, not the neutered tube that comes stock on civy M4

[Dozer523]

Oh come on! Pretend you're Infantrymen.
Follow the Reaper and do as he did.

[Astronomy]

1. BCM SBR M4, SOPMOD profile 14.5" barrel M4, 5.56, w/ Elcan Specter DR 1x4.

2. Colt 1911A1, .45 ACP (LNIB)

3. Savage Precision Scout bolt rifle, .308

4. S&W Model 57 .41 Mag, 4"

5. CZ P-01 9mm & .22 LR Kadet Kit conversion upper w/ threaded barrel/suppressor for both calibers

6. Mossberg 500 Turkey/Cylinder Bore Slug 2-barrel combo, 12 Ga.

[Destrier]

1. 5.56 Carbine JP 16" barrel, Eotec and doctor sight, flip up iron sights, .22lr conversion kit upper

2. .308 Larue 18" barrel, bushnell HDMR 3.5x21 with tremor2 reticle with throw lever mount to use on other rifles

3. 12 shotgun gauge benelli super 90, iron sights, long tube

4. .45 pistol sig saeur with .22 conversion kit

5. .22lr sw 15-22 rifle, iron sights,

6. pistol revolver governor, .410, 45 long colt, and .45 acp

[tom kelly]

Basically agree with "THE REAPER" but may substitute a S&W Revolver Model 19 .357 Combat Magnum for one of the semi-auto pistols....Tom Kelly

[SPEC4]

1. M-14
2. Remington 12 gauge
3. Glock 9mm
4. M1911 A-1 45 cal
5. M79 grenade launcher with a full suite of ammo.

:munchin

[longrange1947]

Ok my choice as an old guy "stuck in the past". :)

1. Carbine: LaRue Tac 14.5" PredatOBR 5.56mm w/ Flip[ up BUIS, Aimpoint ML2 with QD and Aimpoint Magnifier.

2. Battle Rifle/Mid range hunting rifle, LaRue OBR 18" barrel with S&B 4x16 scope w/H59 reticle, BUIS, and Aimpoint Micro T1 w/side mount.

3. LR/hunting Reminton 700 300 Win Mag with RACS stock (yes already have one), S&B 5 x 25 scope with H59 reticle BUIS and Micro T1 w/side mount.

4. Pistol/Main FNH FNP High Cap 45. with iron sights ( all the fancy stuff breaks)

5. Back up pistol S&W .38 special snubby

6. Shotgun Mossberg Flex with all available modules.

Old man with old man ideas. :D

PS, watch the Tremor reticle it is a ballistic reticle that will have problems with other rounds, mett conditions, and especially if you dial in 10 mils to take advantage of the mil reticle. MOO but i would not own one stay with the H59. You can use it as a standard mil reticle or as a hold reticle. Best of both worlds.

I seldom get involved in these as opinions are like a**holes and everyone has one but thought I would throw in my 2 cents. :)

[The Reaper]

I like using the same ammo as the LEO/Military because it is always likely to be available, but you can pick anything you like, as long as you feel you can justify it and obtain it. You will not likely find a box of .41 Magnum ammo in your Wal-Mart or with a buddy willing to trade, but you will see .45 ACP and .40, and maybe even .44 Mag. If you have enough to last you, then that might be a good choice.

Terminally, .40 S&W is a significantly better choice than 9x19, at the expense of mag capacity. Having said that, current ammo prices make 9mm a good choice for practice, since you can get 9mm Ball for just over $200/M, .40 is $300/M, and .45 ACP is around $375/M. While the military is still using 9mm, most civilian agencies are using .40 or .357 SIG. You pick what you want to use and think you can get.

Guys, do not necessarily confine yourself to the firearms categories I used. I just labeled them generically so that I could keep track. If you want one rifle and five pistols, that is your call, though I might like to know your rationale.

Seeing a lot of the same or similar selections is helping me reconsider or validate my choices.

Dozer, I like military weapons because I know them well and they tend to be reliable and durable. I can use an M1A to take a whitetail deer just as well as a civilian bolt gun, but the bolt rifle is not nearly as effective for the zombie apocalypse or a service rifle match. If you wanted a battery of Krieghoffs, Purdeys, and Perazzis, that would be your call. Seriously, what guns would you like to have, if anything?

Tom, I really thought hard about giving up my 686 for a .22LR, but practicality won out. Using your 19 in lieu of an autoloader would be your call. More powerful, but slower to reload, that would be your choice and I respect that.

Rick, my list might be even closer to yours if I had trigger time on those rifles. I can see you like LaRue's guns, and I would love to have your optics budget.

So far, I like the way you guys are thinking. Thanks for your input. :D

TR

[medic&commo]

My choices (which I had, prior to being robbed 2 years ago):
1. M1A w/E2 birch stock, 4-14 power mil dot scope w/ winter trigger.
2. Glock 23 w/9mm barrel & 22LR Advantage Arms conversion kit.
3. Remington 870 w/extended tube magazine.
4. Ruger Security Six stainless 4" bbl.
5. M4 w/ 7.62x39mm upper & 22LR conversion kit.
6. Serbu BFG-50 w/36" bbl & set trigger.

Have since replaced all but M1A & Serbu.
Money constraints & range limitations, don't think I ever will.
At least I have the 7.62x39mm for medium duty.
m&c

[frostfire]

Ok my choice as an old guy "stuck in the past". :)

1. Carbine: LaRue Tac 14.5" PredatOBR 5.56mm w/ Flip[ up BUIS, Aimpoint ML2 with QD and Aimpoint Magnifier.

2. Battle Rifle/Mid range hunting rifle, LaRue OBR 18" barrel with S&B 4x16 scope w/H59 reticle, BUIS, and Aimpoint Micro T1 w/side mount.

3. LR/hunting Reminton 700 300 Win Mag with RACS stock (yes already have one), S&B 5 x 25 scope with H59 reticle BUIS and Micro T1 w/side mount.

4. Pistol/Main FNH FNP High Cap 45. with iron sights ( all the fancy stuff breaks)

5. Back up pistol S&W .38 special snubby

6. Shotgun Mossberg Flex with all available modules.

Old man with old man ideas. :D

PS, watch the Tremor reticle it is a ballistic reticle that will have problems with other rounds, mett conditions, and especially if you dial in 10 mils to take advantage of the mil reticle. MOO but i would not own one stay with the H59. You can use it as a standard mil reticle or as a hold reticle. Best of both worlds.

I seldom get involved in these as opinions are like a**holes and everyone has one but thought I would throw in my 2 cents. :)

Not sure what part of "stuck in past" is the predatOBR....that would be more of M1 garand, M1903, and Govt model 1911 :D

1. Pistol: Glock 17, RMR cowitness with iron, with .22 conversion, alternate HKP30 or CZ Shadow
2. Carbine: AK 74, ultimak rail, TRS 25 cowitnessed with iron
3. Long range/battle rifle: Larue OBR 7.62, HDMR, TRS 25 offset mount, BUIS, alternate SAKO TRG 42 or m10 338 Lapua
4. Shotgun: Remington 870, 18",ghost ring, stand-off choke with additional 26" barrel, modified choke
5. .22 rifle: Larue or JP or Barnes Precision 1-6x24 or EOTECH cowitness with iron, with .22 conversion
6. CCW: SIG 232 or CZ PO1

[longrange1947]

TR, my choices were fairly easy as I have over half of them already and am looking at picking the rest up for the well known, "Zombie Apocalypse" whatever that is. :D

Your choice of categories is what is needed, only a couple of possible exceptions but not really noteworthy IMHO. And yes, I am rather taken with the OBR line. Very nice and solid so far.

Frostfire, sarcasm as I have been accused of being old fashioned and hidebound. Will stay with the .45, not really impressed with the 40, then again not much trigger time with them. Again, old fashioned. ;)

The Mossberg is based on reading and NOT experience so beware I am asking for something based on faith and good write ups, as such, the modular idea is great but I have no idea if it really works. :munchin

I did leave out the .22 conversion for 5.56.

[fng13]

Oh come on! Pretend you're Infantrymen.
Follow the Reaper and do as he did.

My interest tend to be in modern military weapons. It's also the type that I shoot the most, own the most and am most familiar with.

There is nothing these weapons can't do that a fox side by side or or an '03 Springfield sporter could do better.

On top of that modern weapons tend to be more modular, somewhat easier to work on, and obviously can be used in any role whether it be hunting or defense or sports.


@TR my choice of 9mm over other pistol calibers is simply because I shoot it better than I shoot any of my .45's couple with high mag capacity and ammo availability make it a good choice for me. I have no experience with .40 but hope to change that in the future.

[Barbarian]

1. Heckler & Koch HK45.(owned)------Alternate: HK USP .45, FNH FNP .45, CZ 97

2. Heckler & Kock MR556A1 w/ Leupold 1.5-5x, .22LR conv. upper------Alternate: LaRue Tactical OBR 5.56x45 NATO

3. LaRue Tactical OBR 7.62x51 NATO

4. Benelli M3 Super 90, extended mag tube------Alternate: Rem 870 18 or 20 inch BBL. Ghost ring rear sight, tritium inserts, ext. mag tube

5. Rem 700 PSS, 7.62x51 NATO , Nightforce 5-22x scope

6. S&W 686 SSR, .357 (w/ more agressively chamfered charge holes) [owned]

There may be better weapon choices out there. These selections are just based on my personal experience.(but not necessarily what I own.)

PS: I enjoy these threads. They are usually quite educational, for me.:cool:

[Rob_Frey]

1. BCM 16" Midlength 5.56 with Aimpoint T1 on LaRue mount and a 3x magnifier on a LaRue mount as well. (Plus the other usual goodies)

2. Benelli Performance Shop M2 3-Gun 12 Ga.

3. SCAR 17 with S&B 1.1 - 8x in a LaRue mount.

4. Glock 19 with Surefire X300 Ultra and DG switch.

5. Ruger 10/22 with Leupold 3 - 9x EFR scope sporter.

6. FN SPR A5M 300 WSM with Nightforce 5.5 - 22x NXS.


That's my wish list, most of which I can't afford. I am almost complete with the Glock 19 and the BCM. I just need to upgrade my X300 for an X300U and get the magnifier and mount for the BCM.

[SpNkid]

1. LR rifle - 7.62×51mm M110 SASS;
2. Battle rifle - New experimental 7.62 AK-12 with 5.45, 5.56 interchangeable barrels, mags and kits. Trijicon ACOG;
3. Shotgun Saiga 12. Irons or Aimpoint;
4. Pistol 9x19 GSh-18;
5. Pretty quiet battle rifle 9x39 AS VAL with something like Eotech or Aimpoint and NV;
6. Absolutely quiet 7.62×42 PSS silent pistol.

So, have six main and two backup types of cartridges. This, of course, a plus and a minus.
This is all just a dreams. Really, I have only 7.62x39 Saiga MK.

[swpa19]

Being a F.O.G. reflects my choices.

1. Would have to go with the 5.56 BCM M4 Carbine
2. FN-FAL with TA 33-9
3. My own personally tweaked Savage 110 CL in .308 w/ Leupold VX3-3X10
4. Sig P 229-1 9MM
5. High Standard HD Mil.
6. Mossberg 500 w/extend mag, both 18.5 & Slug Barrel w/Burris TAC 30

[longrange1947]

WOW got SCARs and M110 popping up. MOO but surprising.

[Buffalobob]

I'm not too worried about zombies attacking, so my selection is mostly the guns I have or in a couple of case guns I wished I had purchased rather then what I did

Volquartsen 22mag to replace an existing Ruger 10-22

Glock 35 40 cal with conversion kits for 9mm and 22LR- competition and Self defense to replace the Glock 34

Existing Beretta Gold 12 w/3 ½ chamber – goose, turkey

Existing Rem 11-87 20 ga – doves, small game

Existing Full custom long range rifle in 7mm-338LM wildcat or 30- 378 Wby mag

Existing Lightweight custom rifle in 260 Rem

[MR2]

Very instructive thread - thank you Reaper.

[Slowmoe]

1. Carbine: Daniel Defense v3 5.56mm with Leopold VX-R Patrol, along with a .22LR conversion unit.

2. Battle Rifle: Larue OBR in 7.62x 51 with 4-12x scope.

3. LR/Hunting Rifle: Remington 700 XCR in 7mm Remington Magnum, Nightforce 5-22x scope.

4. Pistol: HK P2000, .40 S&W. Alternate, HK USP, .40S&W.

5. Rimfire pistol: Walther P22.

6. Shotgun: Remington Magnum 870 shotgun, 20" barrel, with RemChokes, 12 gauge.

[Peregrino]

1. Rem 870 w/slug and field barrels.
2. DPMS .308 w/Bushnell HDMR scope
3. Rem 700 300WM w/Leupold MkIV 8.5x24
4. M4gery frankengun mid-length gas system, 16" barrel, TA-31F (maybe a couple additional uppers and optics but I think that's probably bending TR's intent a bit)
5. Ruger 10-22 w/3x9 weaver
6. Springfield XDm 45

Then I tell the wife which six she's allowed and I wind up with 10!:p (More likely only 8. :( Unfortunately for my nefarious plans I don't see her giving up her carbine or shotgun and I seriously doubt she'll settle for less than two pistols.) Maybe I can persuade the nieces and their boyfriends to join the party too. (That much less to cache. I hate the idea of burying all the stuff that won't make the cut - besides during the zombie apocalypse massive overkill will be really important. :D)

[Team Sergeant]

Rem 870 12 ga

HK USP .40 full size threaded barrel and can

HK PSG-1 in .308

MP-5 in .40

M-4 w/ ACOG and can

.338 Accuracy International w/ Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56 PM II/LP/MTC and can

[Dozer523]

Dozer, I like military weapons because I know them well and they tend to be reliable and durable. I can use an M1A to take a whitetail deer just as well as a civilian bolt gun, but the bolt rifle is not nearly as effective for the zombie apocalypse or a service rifle match. If you wanted a battery of Krieghoffs, Purdeys, and Perazzis, that would be your call. Seriously, what guns would you like to have, if anything?

TR
I read this thread because I don't know enough about weapons. My experience is somebody handing me something from the arms room and then I practice til I'm comfortable and expert.
Would I if I could? You bet -- a day at the range is a good day. We never had to explain why we didn't shoot our annual allocation.

" if anything" don't start going all subtle on me now. :D

This thread will be my post lottery Christmas list to tactical Santa!

[SpNkid]

WOW got SCARs and M110 popping up. MOO but surprising.

Excuse me, what means MOO?

[BKKMAN]

Excuse me, what means MOO?

MOO = My Own Opinion

You may want to brush up on your slang:

http://www.chatslang.com/

[Richard]

I'll make do with what I own and can reasonably hump if necessary - Winchester .12ga pump - Ruger Super Blackhawk .44mag - Marlin .30-.06 saddle gun.

Richard

[Dusty]

1. Carbine: Thompson, .45 ACP

2. Battle Rifle: FN

3. LR/Hunting Rifle: Rem 700 w/ Loopy, .308 Win.

4. Pistol: HK45.

5. Rimfire pistol: S&W 41.

6. Shotgun: Rem 870 12 ga.

[SpNkid]

MOO = My Own Opinion

You may want to brush up on your slang:

http://www.chatslang.com/

IGI. T4LMK. :D

[The Reaper]

IGI. T4LMK. :D

Well done. :D

TR

[longrange1947]

"MOO" In my case I use it as "My Opinion Only" :lifter

I like making stuff up. :D

[SpNkid]

As I can see, M110 is very rare and inaccessible weapon? Its almost impossible to find? But there are many such points in my list. I took the path of dreams.

[Peregrino]

As I can see, M110 is very rare and inaccessible weapon? Its almost impossible to find? But there are many such points in my list. I took the path of dreams.

The issue is quality, suitability, and accuracy (another version of the eternal triangle). Some of us have higher standards WRT those criterion than the US Army which is frequently forced to use "other considerations" when contracting to purchase weapons/equipment.

[longrange1947]

The issue is quality, suitability, and accuracy (another version of the eternal triangle). Some of us have higher standards WRT those criterion than the US Army which is frequently forced to use "other considerations" when contracting to purchase weapons/equipment.

WOW!! Being polite today are we? :munchin :D

[SpNkid]

How often I hear these words here at home, as much I'm surprised in your case. But why not? Harsh realities are everywhere.:rolleyes:

[8944]

Thanks Reaper for this thread. It has been very informative. My list:
1.) Colt 6920 W/ Leoupold 3X9 scope
2.) Remington 870
3.) Marlin 30-30 W/ Leopould 3X9 scope
4.) Glock 19
5.) Marlin Papoose .22 with can
6.) S & W 686 .357
I do not claim expertise in this area but you will find these, among others in my gunsafe with sufficient (by my definition) ammo for all. Zombies beware!:D

[Streck-Fu]

Purely practical. No delusions of grandeur here. The 6 I would choose to rely on.

Ruger 10/22 (hunt the little things. Teach the young uns. Parts are everywhere.)
M4 Carbine (defense, hunt the slightly bigger stuff)
Remington 870 (everyone needs a 12g)
Sig P228 (9mm is everywhere and with 15 and 18rd magazines available, capacity is not a problem).
S&W model 686 .357 (another must own is a good wheel gun)
Remington 700 (.308 as it is plentiful)

[Oldrotorhead]

1. LaRue PreditAR 7.62 16" with a 2.5X10 Nightforce
2. On order OBR 5.56 16" saving for a Aimpoint T-1
3. Mossberg 500 18" nothing special
4. Ruger 10/22 with a Nikon 4X32
5. Glock 22 with a 9MM threaded barrel on the list.
6. Ruger 45/22 with threaded barrel on order and a can on order pending stamp now.

In a would where money were no object I would switch the Glock for a HK, Switch the Ruger 10/22 for a S&W .22. Add more cans and a boat load of training.

[Sdiver]

I'm not greedy. I'll just stick with the three I have ....

1) Shotgun .... Remington 870 12ga
2) Long range rifle .... M1 Garand
3) Pistol .... 1911 .45

Now when the Zombie apocalypse happens, I wouldn't mind picking up .....

4) .38 sub-nose
5) Crossbow .... (like Daryl's on The Walking Dead) :D

[Buffalobob]

I wonder about all you 870 guys and whether you just like to flinch a lot.

I also find it interesting that with all the military guns on this site in the hands of retirees how very little blood actually get spilled by anybody except me. :D Of course if you stick to shooting people then you don't have to skin them, bone them out and then pack them a mile uphill to your truck. :D And of course your wife doesn't complain about there being blood and hair all over the kitchen

[x SF med]

Winchester Model 70 FW in .308/7.62 w/6-24x scope
FN/FAL Para in 7.62
Savage .22 LR/LS bolt action w/ 4-10x scope
Benelli Tac 12
SA Xd 9 (I use Winchester Super X Super unleaded 147 gr as load of choice)
Kahr CW9

I'd like to upgrade to the .40 SW for both the Kahr and the Xd

[MR2]

[COLOR="Magenta"]And of course your wife doesn't complain about there being blood and hair all over the kitchen

and you've never heard of a wood chipper? Just sayin'.

[mdpatterson]

Can I count Post Samples if they are in my current inventory? This is like asking a parent which child they like best :eek:

[Go Devil]

I've been working on this for a few years...

Currently in possession.

Springfield M1A Standard Loaded. Walnut and composit stocks, modified 2 point sling mount, 8 20rnd mags, bandoliers w/ stripper clips. (My main weapon)

Remington 870P Max, Tritium front sight, saddle, single point sling. (My secondary)

Rock River Arms Operator2 in 5.56, iron sights. 8 magpul magazines, single point sling. (Wife Main)

Mossberg 142-A .22 S&LR with factory 4 power scope and factory peep sight. Fold down monopod. 1947 bolt action mag fed. Only 1 mag, hard to find. (Daughter Main)

North American Arms Corp. .22 mag 5-shot revolver, stainless, 4" overall length. (Daughter Secondary)

Beretta Model 21A, .22LR, 2 mags. (Wife Secondary)

I would swap the Beretta .22 handgun for a 9 mil sub gun of the open bolt variety (Sten MK3); yes, it has issues, but it is bone head simple. (Daughter Alternate Main)

[jw74]

1. Savage model 24 223 over 12ga single shot over under. heavy but its proven to be pretty handy as a ranch rifle when prey is anything from squirrel to coyote to quail
2. Remington 700 20" 308 Its simple, fairly light and compact, and easy to find aftermarket stuff for.
3. Benelli M4 super 90 wish list item
4. DSA FAL 18" with the folding stock after I leave CA
5. Hk USP because every time I go to sell it I cant bring myself to part with it.
6. Glock 19 because I know in a pinch, my wife could shoot it.

[HOLLiS]

I would go with what I use for fun

Ruger Vaquero .45 C

Ruger Vaquero .45 C

Lever Action .45 C

S/S coach gun in 12g

Win 70 .338 Win Mag, Burris Full field scope 50 MM objective.

1818 Springfield, w/Belgium conversion.

I would lie about the other ones and hide them. :)

[Rob_Frey]

1818 Springfield, w/Belgium conversion.



Got pics???

[Dusty]

Got pics???

It's more like a drawing. In a cave. :D

[The Reaper]

There seems to be a fair amount of consensus here.

Very interesting, as well as helpful.

TR

[HOLLiS]

Got pics???

Yes and to show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled.jpg

[Dusty]

Yes and two show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled.jpg

lolol Outstanding! :D

[Ret10Echo]

Nothing complex....


Ruger GP100 .357

Rossi M92 lever action Carbine .357

Remington Model 7400 30-06

Marlin Model 60 .22LR semi-auto

Ruger MkIII Target .22LR

Remington 870 12ga

[MR2]

Yes and to show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled.jpg

Bet you wish we had them back in the day, eh Dusty?

[longrange1947]

There seems to be a fair amount of consensus here.

Very interesting, as well as helpful.

TR

Similar training and similar experiences. :munchin :D

[Barbarian]

Yes and to show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...1818Dolled.jpg

That...... is pretty dang cool. :D

[longrange1947]

Yes and to show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled.jpg

What is your Immediate action drill for a misfire???? :munchin :D

[mojaveman]

1. Carbine: An AR in 5.56. What else? I do like the A1 replica that I recently built and I also like my Bulgarian AK-74.

2. Battle rifle: The Belgian made FN-FAL that I bought from Jim's Pawn Shop for $1,500.00 back in '85. How about an M-1 Garand? They may be archaic but you can find .30-'06 anywhere. I'll also mention the G-3 mostly because I like German guns. :p

3. Hunting/long range: Remington 700 in .308 topped with a Leupold Mark 4 M1 10X

4. Pistol: Sig P220 in .45ACP

5. Rimfire pistol: Ruger Mark I. Found one at a gunshow made in '79 and new in the box for a decent price.

6. Shotgun: Remington 870 in black synthetic with 18" and 26" barrels.

[Dusty]

How about an M-1 Garand? I know they are archaic but you can find .30-'06 anywhere.

IMO, that would be the best battle rifle ever made if it were mag fed.

[craigepo]

Long range-Presently a choice between a custom 700 in 7.62, or a custom 700 in 7mm mag. 7.62 ammo is everywhere, but the 7mm mag rounds have some amazing ballistics. If I have to go with one shot, would have to be the 7mm mag. .308 just doesn't have enough knock-down on elk-size game and larger.

Shotgun-My Benelli SBEII has an amazing operating system, and the choke tubes for all of the newer shotguns really make shotguns very versatile. My old 870 that I bought with hay-hauling money when I was a kid is still a durable standby; problem is that it is an old model, pre-choke tubes. The benelli came camo; I had the 870 coated. Would go with the benelli.

Small-bore-I would have to pick my Ruger 10-22 for an all-around gun. I have been in the market for one of the Savage over/unders, but the price on those things has went through the roof.

Pistol(home/personal defense)-My old government has been ported and throated, and is pretty reliable. P2000 SK is much more comfortable to carry. Tough choice-probably go with the HK

Pistol(bear woods)-Probably load up my S&W Governor with .410 self-defense rounds. I have no live-tissue experience with the round, but Spousal Unit did prove that they do a helluva job on sheetrock.

Battle rifle--I've been meaning to pick up a good M4, but there are so many companies making them, it's hard to decide which to go with.

Bow-I presently have a Bow-tech compound, which shoots amazingly fast. Problem is, if one were ever to run out of pre-fab arrows, it would be next to impossible to make replacements from scratch. Very difficult to find wood that could handle the velocity. Talked at lunch with a guy who makes his own longbows and arrows. One choice-have to be a longbow.

[HOLLiS]

What is your Immediate action drill for a misfire???? :munchin :D

1) mumble some cuss words. (pause, be sure it is not a hang fire) same with any other firearm.

2) recap and try again.

3) fix bayonet, use it as a pike or club with a spike on the end.

4) if all of that fails, run like hell.


Important part do not mix up the steps in the Load in 9 times.

[HOLLiS]

IMO, that would be the best battle rifle ever made if it were mag fed.

I was t/o on the M14, just love that rifle. I would stick with the AR family. More ammo is preferred to less.

[Dusty]

I was t/o on the M14, just love that rifle. I would stick with the AR family. More ammo is preferred to less.

Don't get me started.

When the Garand was issued, cruits were expected to kill at 600 yards instead of wounding an enemy every 6000 rounds.

[MK262MOD1]

Well mine probably won't turn any heads.

1. Remington 700 300 WINMAG in a Mcree stock, S&B PMII with H59 reticle and Micro T1 w/side mount.

2. Larue OBR with S&B PMII with H59 reticle and Micro T1 w/side mount.

3. Colt M4A1, Giesselle NM trigger, SOPMOD buttstock, with a Elcan specter, BUIS, carrying Handle, PEQ15 and Gemtech HALO suppressor.
-M261 conversion kit ( I can kill a lot of game up to deer with this setup)

4. Winchester 1897 Pump cut to 18 inches.

5. Glock 17

6. AWC Badlander(integrated suppressed Ruger Mark II)


Additional if authorized:

-Mk12 upper for carbine with SB Glass.
-CLE Nationalmatch upper.

[Rob_Frey]

Yes and to show that I am a hep cat with the times, it has some of latest techy stuff, my CQC assault musket.

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k226/Hollis6475/1818Dolled.jpg

Ha ha ha, very cool!!!

[longrange1947]

Long range-Presently a choice between a custom 700 in 7.62, or a custom 700 in 7mm mag. 7.62 ammo is everywhere, but the 7mm mag rounds have some amazing ballistics. If I have to go with one shot, would have to be the 7mm mag. .308 just doesn't have enough knock-down on elk-size game and larger.



That's fine but remember that the Secret Service moved away from the 7mm Mag and went 300 Win Mag sometime ago. They have since gone 6.5 I believe, don't quote me. Reasons, belted mag will throw odd rounds due to being head spaced off the belt. Used the 7mm Mag in Saudi while training the Royal Guard Counter Snipers, nice round but would rather have something a bit heavier. The best round in 7mm Mag is the 168 gr for ballistics (or it was when I was playing with it, have not for some time now. Me for long range I would stay with the 300 win Mag for being able to get ammo but the 300 Ultra is a bit nicer. Barrel life on all of them suck though. :D

The 7.62 is strictly a medium range weapon (less than 800 - 900 in unknown conditions) or a battle rifle weapon. In my mind, 7.62 vs 7mm Mag is apples and oranges.

My thoughts only and as I have told bunches, go with what you are comfortable with as you will always shoot better if you like and trast your bang stick. ;)

[longrange1947]

1) mumble some cuss words. (pause, be sure it is not a hang fire) same with any other firearm.

2) recap and try again.

3) fix bayonet, use it as a pike or club with a spike on the end.

4) if all of that fails, run like hell.


Important part do not mix up the steps in the Load in 9 times.

Left out, if time permits remove nipple, charge with BP, reset nipple, re-cap, hang on. :munchin :D

[HOLLiS]

Left out, if time permits remove nipple, charge with BP, reset nipple, re-cap, hang on. :munchin :D

Sort of what Dusty eluded too, I think there is a advantage of learning to shoot on single shot rifles. Each shot counts. When the Peterson revolver came out, IIRC, it was not referred to as a six shooter, but 5 extra shots.

I never had to pull a nipple on a misfire. Beforeloading, I will place the muzzle near some blades of grass/weeds and fire a cap. Seeing movement, shows that the vent is clear. My Charlieville has given me several "Flash in the pan". Re-prime and GTG.

If anything, I have a lot of respect for those old timers and their muskets going into battle.

BTW, the 1818 was also rifled for the Civil War, a .69 cal Minie ball is a monster. Maybe falls in the category of lite artillery.

[longrange1947]

Hollis I too fire a single cap to clear the system. HOWEVER, have failed to do when BS'ing on the line at a fun shot a couple of times. :D

It is embarrassing, love the razing you get when you have a dry fire.

[Richard]

Sort of what Dusty eluded too, I think there is a advantage of learning to shoot on single shot rifles. Each shot counts.

I learned to shoot on a single shot Winchester .22 my Dad bought at the local Army Surplus in 1962 for $12 to teach my brothers and I hw to shoot. Front blade sight and really fine rear peep sight. The Army used to use them for BRM training before putting soldiers on heavier caliber weapons. We still have the rifle and - with the .22LR - it is one of the most accurate weapons I have ever fired.

Hunting quail, dove, and pheasant growing up, I used a .20Ga side-by-side - my Dad used to say that if we couldn't hit 'em in two rounds, we sure wouldn't hit 'em in 3, 4, or 5 shots and just waste ammo.

IOW - I agree with the make each shot count philosophy.

Richard :munchin

[HOLLiS]

Hollis I too fire a single cap to clear the system. HOWEVER, have failed to do when BS'ing on the line at a fun shot a couple of times. :D

It is embarrassing, love the razing you get when you have a dry fire.

Or even worse, Ball then powder. As person was said, "I know where the Devil is, he is in the details".

I learned to shoot on a single shot Winchester .22 my Dad bought at the local Army Surplus in 1962 for $12 to teach my brothers and I hw to shoot. Front blade sight and really fine rear peep sight. The Army used to use them for BRM training before putting soldiers on heavier caliber weapons. We still have the rifle and - with the .22LR - it is one of the most accurate weapons I have ever fired.

Hunting quail, dove, and pheasant growing up, I used a .20Ga side-by-side - my Dad used to say that if we couldn't hit 'em in two rounds, we sure wouldn't hit 'em in 3, 4, or 5 shots and just waste ammo.

IOW - I agree with the make each shot count philosophy.

Richard :munchin


My first rifle was a single shot .22 Win. Probably had more fun with that rifle than any other firearm that I have own.

My dad would say the same thing.

[longrange1947]

I learned to shoot on a single shot Winchester .22 my Dad bought at the local Army Surplus in 1962 for $12 to teach my brothers and I hw to shoot. Front blade sight and really fine rear peep sight. The Army used to use them for BRM training before putting soldiers on heavier caliber weapons. We still have the rifle and - with the .22LR - it is one of the most accurate weapons I have ever fired.

Hunting quail, dove, and pheasant growing up, I used a .20Ga side-by-side - my Dad used to say that if we couldn't hit 'em in two rounds, we sure wouldn't hit 'em in 3, 4, or 5 shots and just waste ammo.

IOW - I agree with the make each shot count philosophy.

Richard :munchin

My father bought me a single shot rolling block .22 with octagonal barrel in 1955 for my 8th birthday. It was a great little rifle and I dearly wish I still had it. When I joined the Army my parents were in Okinawa and the weapon was left there. I still have the .22 J.C. Higgins Model 31, with scope, Dad and I shot for competition and bragging rights on my Grandfathers farm. Fun gun to shoot. It was also the rabbit and squirrel gun. :)

[vorticity]

Hollis brought up a point that I found kind of interesting - given that these six guns have to make it the rest of my life, it seems like I'd put a pretty high premium on maintainability of parts and availability of ammunition/components. Would something like a blackpowder rifle, with a simple lock (flint?) be a good addition to the list of six?

Ability to manufacture black powder from available materials, mold balls from a wide variety of scrap metal sources, shoot shot or projectiles, and with few moving parts - might be a good idea to have a gun like that on the list if it has to go the distance.

My list would be (stuff I already own, anyways):

1.) Remington 597 .22LR,
2.) Tikka T3 .308 Win,
3.) Remington 870 12ga, 18" and 22" barrels, and also mag tube extension,
4.) S&W M&P 9mm
5.) RRA AR-15 16" mid-length, .223 Rem, and
6.) Lyman Great Plains Hunter, .54 cal percussion (with my molds and a *lot* of caps)

I'd be tempted to swap the 597 for a bolt-action .22LR, but that's neither here nor there. All of those guns I've detail-stripped and done basic maintenance work on, but manufacturing replacement parts for a lot of them is probably beyond my ken. I'm reasonably certain I could make the GPH go 'boom' if I needed to, even if it meant sticking a lit Bic into the nipple hole. Thoughts?

[Rob_Frey]

My first "firearm" was a Stevens Model 15 single shot .22 lr my Grandpa gave me when I passed Hunters Safety class. I think this is a great way for young people to learn to "make it count" when learning to shoot.

[swpa19]

My father bought me a single shot rolling block .22 with octagonal barrel

That puppy was front heavy wasnt it? First rifle was a Rem. 510 Targetmaster .22 single shot, first shotgun was an Iver Johnson 16 ga. Champion, single shot with exposed hammer. First deer rifle was a K98 full dressed military 7.92X57 (8MM).

[longrange1947]

That puppy was front heavy wasnt it? First rifle was a Rem. 510 Targetmaster .22 single shot, first shotgun was an Iver Johnson 16 ga. Champion, single shot with exposed hammer. First deer rifle was a K98 full dressed military 7.92X57 (8MM).

Front heavy as the devil, but taught me to hold strong and steady.

The forestock was only about 10" from receiver forward, most of the barrel was exposed and I learned to shoot with a close hand on the forestock. Actually worked to teach a very steady and comfortable offhand position.

My first shot gun was a Winnie wing master Goose gun. Did damage to dove at high, usually safe for them, altitudes. :munchin :D

[Dusty]

I used to hunt quail with my Rem 510. Those were the days.
What does quail taste like, anyway?

[Team Sergeant]

I used to hunt quail with my Rem 510. Those were the days.
What does quail taste like, anyway?

LOL

[swpa19]

I used to hunt quail with my Rem 510

Thats why they call it "hunting". Here in SW Pa. Its Ruffed Grouse that fits that comment. BUT, I sure scared a lot of them. Dont know who scared who most though. Noisy buggers when they take off at your feet.

[Apto]

1. Carbine: HK 416, HAMR w/ DeltaPoint

2. Battle Rifle: M14 variant; J Allen stock, LRB forged internals, 18.5" chrome molly barrel, Mark 8 CQBSS w/ Horus 27D

3. Long Rifle: Desert Tactical SRS HTI .50, Mark 8 M5B2 w/ Horus 58

4. Pistol: USP Compact Tactical .45 (x2)

5. Rimfire Pistol: Unknown

6. Shotgun: Mossberg 590A1 Tactical

[ES 96]

carbine: LaRue OR BCM mid length AR + Magpul/LaRue furniture (w/CAT-M4 tool), Aimpoint T-1
battle rifle: FN-FAL 7.62 NATO
LR: Sako TRG-22 OR NULA M20 w/HB VS Jewel trigger, either in 7.62 NATO; S&B PMII up top
pistol: CZ-75B 9mm w/Kadet 22rf conversion OR HK45c
shotgun: New Ithaca Mod 37 Defender 12 ga 20" bbl cyl 8 rnd mag

but based on what I currently own (use the best you have to the best of your abilities):

carbine: 1952 Win 94 30-30 (90%+) OR Marlin 1895G .45-70 Gov't 18.5" bbl w/brake
battle rifle: Marlin 1895SS .45-70 Gov't 22" bbl
LR: Tikka 595, .308 22.5" bbl ss/syn, Weaver V16 AO
pistol: Ruger Mk II .22lr 6 7/8" med bbl blued; alternative 10/22 rifle or Sako P94 Finnfire
pistol: S&W99 .40 OR NIB Ruger Redhawk .357 mag 5.5" bbl, stainless
shotgun: Win 1897 "E" 12 ga 5+1, 20" bbl riot gun, cyl choke

.45-70 Gov't round: 300 gr. Speer JHP (~2,350 fps/M.E. 3,678 ft. lbs.), about 18 to 24 inches in muscle and bone: anything under 400 lbs :eek:
OR Barnes Buster 500 gr. FMJ-FN (~1,625fps/M.E.2,931 ft.lbs.), 5 to 6 feet in muscle and bone: anything bigger than 400 lbs :lifter

[Dohhunter]

1. PWS MK110 10" M4 with XPS EOTech. Spare PWS MK114 14.5" upper with S&B PMII Short Dot or SpecterDR. Spare .22 upper, any make.

2. 16" Larue OBR with Nightforce and offset irons, S&B PMII Short Dot on Larue LT for the option.

3. Bedded/HS Winchester 70 action in 7mm Rem Mag with Nightforce.

4. HK45

5. Integrally suppressed Ruger .22

6. Rem 870 with 14" open choke, and 24" Remchoke barrels.

Various lights, lasers, PEQ, PVS, Larue mounts and tits for the above.

We should start a girlfriend thread next.

[Destrier]

[QUOTE=We should start a girlfriend thread next.[/QUOTE]


Allot more options available for firearms.... and few women out there let you have six

[Sdiver]

Allot more options available for firearms.... and few women out there let you have six

Plus your girlfriend won't get pissed if you add accessories, share with friends, or trade her in for a newer model.

:munchin

[Dohhunter]

I made the mistake of also asking my wife about bolt-ons and her choice of rimfire.

Not impressed.

[TacOfficer]

I made the mistake of also asking my wife about bolt-ons and her choice of rimfire.

Not impressed.

LOL

[Claemore]

I love these type of threads! Didn't have experience with the BCMs, but now will have to try to check them out. My six will be limited to what I do have experience with.

1. My Battle rifle would be an HK Variant probably the PTR-91, Trijicon with BUIS

2. Medium to long range- Remington 700 in 300 Mag with a Swarovski scope.

3. Handgun- Glock 20 10mm with 6" barrel, a .357 Sig barrel, a .40 S&W barrel, and a 9mm barrel. The 9mm barrel would be threaded for a suppresor.

4. Shotgun- either a Remington 11-87 police style, or a Saiga 12. I don't have specific experience with the Saiga, but have with the AK.

5. AR- I'd have to go with, based on experience only the Colt, as that is what I had in the Army. Otherwise a DPMS. It would be with a Trijicon as well with BUIS.

6. And I would have a Ruger 10/22, also set up with a suppressor.

[trunkmonkey]

1-LWRC M6A2 with TA31F & surefire can.

2-HK45C w/ spare threaded bbl and can.

3-UMP45 w/ can

4-Winchester model 190. (family rifle) I still hunt with it.

5- Remington CDL 260

6- Mcmillan Tac 50 w/can Just In Case OR a Barrett M109 if someone gave me ammo with it :D

[tzdunic]

Not too familiar with a lot of weapons. But here's my choices. (optics are left out for me. Too hard to chose.)

1. Carbine: M4
2. Battle Rifle: G36
3. LR/Hunting Rifle: Weatherby .308 Vanguard
4. Pistol: 1911 with Compensator
5. Rimfire Pistol: Ruger SR22
6. Shotgun: Remington 870

[Conrad Y]

Carbine: Armalite AR-180 (older folding stock model) with QD 4x optic
Battle: FN FAL iron sights
LR: Mauser 98 in 7x57 (still holds the record for Elephant kills) with scope
Handgun: Glock 20 10mm
.22 Pistol: High Standard with 6 inch barrel
Shotgun: 20 inch side-by-side 12ga coach gun

I would add primitive wpns also to the list for layering such as a .45 cal Black Powder Rifle and pistol.

[Dusty]

Not to hijack, but does anybody have a reasonable amount of experience with a Kriss .45 SMG, yet?

[The Reaper]

I have fired it a bit.

What is the question?

TR

[Dusty]

I have fired it a bit.

What is the question?

TR

The design looks as if the muzzle wouldn't "drift" during bursts as much. I've since found a couple resources on it, and it looks to be a great tool for CQB.
I'd probably buy a semi-automatic version. :cool:

[The Reaper]

The design looks as if the muzzle wouldn't "drift" during bursts as much. I've since found a couple resources on it, and it looks to be a great tool for CQB.
I'd probably buy a semi-automatic version. :cool:

It is very stable during full-auto fire, but is not particularly accurate.

Not very good for CQB, IMHO, unless you don't care about collateral damage.

Have you humped a lot of .45 ammo lately? I think that stuff has gotten heavier over the years!

Of course, at the rate we are going, we probably won't be permitted to keep six weapons by the nanny state, and if we could, very few of the ones we listed will be allowed.

TR

[Conrad Y]

Of course, at the rate we are going, we probably won't be permitted to keep six weapons by the nanny state, and if we could, very few of the ones we listed will be allowed.

TR[/QUOTE]

TR - Interesting comment, it got me thinking...
What about your same list but with that comment in mind?
i.e.

1. Carbine: USGI M1 Carbine fixed stock (politically correct) or maybe a lever-action carbine?

I wonder if choices were limited what would be the best, so-far, exempt substitutes.

CY

[Bracholi]

Carbine: PDA-15 M4 Custom Defense Rifle (Patriot Defense Arms)
Battle: Same as above. (Add second complete rifle for posterity's sake, or just in case)
LR: Ruger Mini-14
Handgun: Taurus 24/7 OSS 9mm (Own it, love it)
.22 Pistol: Browning Buckmark .22
Shotgun: Lack of Experience in the subject... Was considering Mossberg JIC 500...

I just wish I could find a quick conversion kit for 24/7 OSS to make it .22