View Full Version : Tonight's Debate
Paragrouper
10-03-2012, 12:52
Someone stole my idea.
Those rules could be dangerous to the untrained drinker.
AFCHIC, I'm glad you didn't include Obama mentioning "me" or "I". We'd all be flat out drunk after the first ten minutes.
Badger52
10-03-2012, 14:30
In the U-W system "Mecca" 95 miles away, where the "one" will speak Thursday afternoon, the binge spike will go unnoticed. There will be tingling legs in all the Halls of Academia.
afchic, that is a slick poster, thanks!
Someone stole my idea.
Nice drinking game but no shots here - however, a nice Balvenie, single barrel, aged 15 years may make the lies that will be heard tonight, a bit more tolerable. This is purely for medicinal reasons.
longrange1947
10-03-2012, 14:57
Crap, you will get drunk just from Obama, never mind Romney. :munchin :D
Red Flag 1
10-03-2012, 15:54
Those rules could be dangerous to the untrained drinker.
This will be a tough one for the newbies. Glad she didn't invoker the ,"a".."er"..rule for obama. Might not make it to the third question if she did.
RF 1
This is sweet .. I love it.
Never thought of a Debate party... Bring you 12 pack, bottle of whatever.
One hour into the debate and Romney is more than holding his own, early on the POTUS was in the repeat mode and Romney stuck with the refute mode, it's obvious that O does not intimidate him. I did however find it interesting that the Presidents grandmother who rose to the position of VP of a bank was only able to lead an independant life in her latter years because of Social Security and Medicare.
Group to use 'voice analysis technology (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/03/obama-and-romney-to-face-real-lie-detector-test-during-debate/#ixzz28GyvBu1H)' as lie detector during first presidential debate...
Group to use 'voice analysis technology (http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/03/obama-and-romney-to-face-real-lie-detector-test-during-debate/#ixzz28GyvBu1H)' as lie detector during first presidential debate...
Some old school analysis...when Obama's lips are moving...well, you know the old saw. :D
One hour into the debate and Romney is more than holding his own, early on the POTUS was in the repeat mode and Romney stuck with the refute mode, it's obvious that O does not intimidate him. I did however find it interesting that the Presidents grandmother who rose to the position of VP of a bank was only able to lead an independant life in her latter years because of Social Security and Medicare.
VP's in banks were little more than the position of shift manager at Mickey D's is today.
In my unbiased opinion...a very strong Romney performance tonight.
And I view President Obama as even more vulnerable on foreign poilcy in the future debates than he was on domestic policy this evening.
Next up, Paul Ryan running circles around VP Biden next week.
In my unbiased opinion...a very strong Romney performance tonight.
And I view President Obama as even more vulnerable on foreign poilcy in the future debates than he was on domestic policy this evening.
Next up, Paul Ryan running circles around VP Biden next week.
Agreed. Obama appeared a bit tongue tied, tired and distracted.
I am watching MSNBC and they are LAMBASTING the POTUS and what a poor performance he gave. They are saying Romney was fired up, he was strong, and the POTUS just sucked.
IMO, Romney needs to do a much better job at controlling his temper.
He needs to appear as being more even tempered. Like me.
I think Romney's best part of the debate was when he said as POTUS his job was to put forth a vision for the country, then sit down with Congress to figure out how to get there, vs doing it by Presidential fiat.
Agreed. Obama appeared a bit tongue tied, tired and distracted.
He really has to measure his words, since he in all honesty has no positive record to run on. I think early on he made a statement regarding how the safety of the American people was always first and foremost on his mind, I'm guessing that the families of the ambassador and those Marines who were murdered recently in Libya are not exacly buying that. Definitely looking forward to the foreign policy debates and the VP debate.
craigepo
10-03-2012, 20:57
Romney's performance tonight might have been the most dominant debate performance I have ever seen. Not that Obama was "bad", he actually did a pretty good job. But I have never seen anybody as prepared as Romney was tonight. He was ready to pounce on every issue.
Moreover, his delivery was almost flawless. Obama has a great debater's voice, and I was worried sick today thinking about this. Nonetheless, Romney never stumbled, he made great points, and he was never snippy.
That debate might have changed the race.
As others have said...Romney, the man, is much better than his campaign.
On the other hand, Obama's campaign is better than the man.
This first debate might have confirmed these observations.
I want to know how much everyone drank. I went through 3 16oz captain and diets. But because I was enjoying bantering with Sig not because of the rules I posted this morning:)
Eagle5US
10-03-2012, 21:18
Romney KICKED ASS...plain and simple.
Favorite line:
"Mr. President, you are entitled to your own house and your own plane...but you are not entitled to your own facts.":D
Romney is the pitbull w/o the lipstick!
Romney KICKED ASS...plain and simple.
Favorite line:
"Mr. President, you are entitled to your own house and your own plane...but you are not entitled to your own facts.":D
Agreed 100%
My favorite part was when there was that big thud - and Obama turned around - only to see the Obamaphone lady had dropped that Obamaphone...no keep Obama president, you know.
ETA...on second thought that thud might just have been the sound of Obama's poll numbers.
Eagle5US
10-03-2012, 21:40
On Facebook from a POTUS supporter regarding the debate:
Fredneshia Neal All dis talk about what he said what he w ad gon do bit havn't did it mfs can suck a dick and die give him time to fix what da white mfs fucked up get off Obama nuts cuz no matter what y'all say I bet money Obama gon still be runnin shit LMMFAO at thes clowns y'all mad cuz he black DATS DAT SHIT I DON'T LIKE
Gotta LOVE it:D
Romney was absolutely dominant tonight. Substance trumped style, but in reality, this is what these debates should look like each, and every time. Facts, in theory, should always dismantle the ridiculousness that spews from Obama's mouth. :lifter We'll see what the MSM has in store though. Hopefully there are enough people with common sense left out there to win this thing for Romney.
On Facebook from a POTUS supporter regarding the debate:
Gotta LOVE it:D
In English please.
Eagle5US
10-03-2012, 21:49
In English please.
I got nothin...
Bet you 2:1 that Fredneshia has an Obamaphone though :D
XngZeRubicon
10-03-2012, 22:17
Agree that Romney kicked ass tonight. And expect him to do even better with the foreign policy debate.
What's been hilarious is watching the folks on MSNBC come unglued. And watching Bill Maher come unglued. And watching Axelrod and Cutter come unglued. What a fun night, LOL.
XngZeRubicon
10-03-2012, 22:19
Actually it was even more fun watching all the dudes on CNN talk about how shocked they were about Romney winning the debate.
Wasn't able to see the debate tonight due to class, but from reading posts on here and on FB, it seems to me as if Romney was the clear cut winner tonight.
It is also nice to see this just released from CNN and reading Dennis Miller's and Bill Maher's .... YES Bill Maher's "tweets".
XngZeRubicon
10-03-2012, 22:26
Wasn't able to see the debate tonight due to class, but from reading posts on here and on FB, it seems to me as if Romney was the clear cut winner tonight.
It is also nice to see this just released from CNN and reading Dennis Miller's and Bill Maher's .... YES Bill Maher's "tweets".
LOL, yes, I expected Romney to do better tonight (because I think he has more substance) than POTUS, but I did NOT expect it to be a thumping....at least in terms of the President getting thrown under the bus by so many of his worshipers. I mean supporters. It was fun watching Axelrod be so defensive on CNN too.
Even The Washington Times has weighed in ....
Ooooooooo ..... That's gotta hurt
Obama the debater: Making Jimmy Carter look awesome
Party like it’s 1980!
Bewildered and lost without his teleprompter, President Obama flailed all around the debate stage last night. He was stuttering, nervous and petulant. It was like he had been called in front of the principal after goofing around for four years and blowing off all his homework.
Not since Jimmy Carter faced Ronald Reagan has the U.S. presidency been so embarrassingly represented in public. Actually, that’s an insult to Jimmy Carter.
The split screen was most devastating. Mitt Romney spoke forthrightly, with carefully studied facts and details at the ready. He looked right at the president and accused him of being miles out of his depth.
Mr. Obama? His eyes were glued to his lectern, looking guilty and angry and impatient with all the vagaries of Democracy. This debate was seriously chaffing him.
What exactly was Mr. Obama’s strategy here? Did he figure with so many people unemployed in this abomination of an economy he should go for the sympathy vote? Like voters could relate to a guy who is just scared pantsless that he is about to lose his job?
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/3/hurt-obama-debater-making-jimmy-carter-look-awesom/
And I view President Obama as even more vulnerable on foreign poilcy in the future debates than he was on domestic policy this evening.
Obama and is record is like firing on a 360degree range. Any direction you shoot there will be targets for you to hit.
Even The Washington Times has weighed in ....
Ooooooooo ..... That's gotta hurt
The Times is the conservative paper in DC, just to be fair. Will be intersting to see what the Washingont comPOST has to say...
Ret10Echo
10-04-2012, 02:05
The Times is the conservative paper in DC, just to be fair. Will be intersting to see what the Washingont comPOST has to say...
WaPo Online:
Romney takes the fight to Obama
Rejuvenated Romney hammers Obama on his economic record
Rubio: ‘We have a new race’
Candidates swap roles as Republican finally finds his voice on pivotal issue
Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/regional)
miclo18d
10-04-2012, 04:57
And it only took an hour and a half on domestic policy for Obama to mention he killed UBL!
Once again I felt like I was watching paint dry but......
Short Round - the 12 yr old - sat through the whole thing - said it was very interesting - and that Romney won.
BMT (RIP)
10-04-2012, 06:05
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/4/picket-michael-moore-obama-what-happens-when-u-pic/
:munchin
:lifter
BMT
Badger52
10-04-2012, 06:15
Next up, Paul Ryan running circles around VP Biden next week.Didn't get to see the Wed debate (#1 gd watched, same verdict as QP Pete's Short Round).
This one I believe I'll make a point to observe. If weather trend continues there will be some hot cocoa in the offing...
Mustang Man
10-04-2012, 06:19
Unless you been drinking O's Kool Aid the winner was obvious. I may not like either but I'll just have to vote for the lesser of two evils.
CNN''s first reactions last night:
Did anyone else catch that CNN, when talking about Obama's ADs per state vs Romney's, trying to claim about what states Obama was CURRENTLY winning, was using 2008 election data? When Blitzer and the other anchor were standing in front of their fancy touch monitor, trying to explain the data as in Obama's favor, it clearly showed on the upper left of the screen Obama vs John McCain. They then flipped through a few more screens talking about Obama currently winning those states. It was not until the last screen that it finally said Romney. They did not admit to the mistake, but funny enough, the anchor said, "lets move on to something else before we confuse people". Then for the remainder of the segment he stood in front of the part that said John McCain. Blitzer even looked confused to what was going on.
medic&commo
10-04-2012, 07:39
Unable to watch the debate, so I came here to find out how it went.
I'm not disappointed in the least - for 2 reasons:
1. Most importantly, Romney kicked-ass.
2. Reading these posts were both informative and very entertaining.
Thank you all!
m&c
DIYPatriot
10-04-2012, 08:13
On Facebook from a POTUS supporter regarding the debate:
Fredneshia Neal All dis talk about what he said what he w ad gon do bit havn't did it mfs can suck a dick and die give him time to fix what da white mfs fucked up get off Obama nuts cuz no matter what y'all say I bet money Obama gon still be runnin shit LMMFAO at thes clowns y'all mad cuz he black DATS DAT SHIT I DON'T LIKE
Gotta LOVE it:D
Sadly, I can translate this for Afchic. Fredneshia uses the same prose as the girl at the McDonald's drive-thru just around the corner from my house. Come to think of it, it just may be her...
Translation for Afchic:
The Man messed it up and Obama needs more time (so that I can keep my Obama-phone, among other things that the Man wouldn't let me have for free or at a VERY discounted and subsidized price). Stop talking bad about Obama because he'll win the election (Libya? Haven't heard from her in years. Afghan war/leaks to the press? Who cares if he talks about a damn carpet! It's just a rug. And why are we fighting over a rug?). After all, most people are mad due to his race (just b/c his mom is white doesn't mean he isn't 100% one of us, but I'm not racist and I hate racist ppl that play that card).
I believe that just about sums it up.
medic&commo
10-04-2012, 08:19
Found this short article relating to the voice analysis of the debate posted by MR2.
“The lie detector voice analysis tests of the presidential debate were found to be inconclusive by Voice Analysis Technology. The technology can detect a deception if the person knows they are deceiving, but if they believe what they are saying is true, even if it is not, it is not picked up. We are engaging in further review of these reports.”
m&c
Oh, THIS is rich !!!!!
Al Gore blames DENVER for Barry's LOSS last night ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtkw8stAlrM
I may use this LAME excuse if I ever bomb on a test. :rolleyes:
Just another data point in the inexorable march to the conclusion that Obma is no-where near as smart as his adherents claim. There is nothing this guy has done that is indicative of intelligence.
The president is very smart. It seems near impossible to get into office being stupid. The dangerous part is when you have a smart person with a very different para-dime, making consequential decisions on the regular.
Romney really impressed me last night.
ZonieDiver
10-04-2012, 10:14
So... no one but me thinks that this is part of the POTUS's narcissism? He thinks he can just 'show up' - 'mail in' a performance - and still beat 'this clown'.
I really do...
It really is unfortunate. Sadly the incumbent has a huge advantage. Not to mention all the brainless voters that will vote because the potus has "swagger" .
Swagger? It looked more like a smirk.
I'm with you Zonie.
For the man who is so often described as the "smartest man in the room", he looked to me like a petulant child who was scolded and schooled in front of a class assembly of 40 million people. Even his schoolyard bully buddy boys took him to task.
DIYPatriot
10-04-2012, 11:16
Could his arrogance be part of his own demise? Perhaps he thought Romney couldn't bring it and, as Zonie and others have said, he just mailed it in. I keep waiting for a WH press release saying, "With respect to last night's debate, Romney didn't do that. He had gov't help"
I have been over at BBC reading some of their comments on the debates. It is no wonder the EU is in the problems they are in. They actually think Obama is right wing.
Holy shit people are stupid.
MiTTMedic
10-04-2012, 11:48
Intersting GOP video released today or late last night. Body language speaks volumes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMUHcgsbag
Sorry, in advance, if my link posting ability stinks....
Airbornelawyer
10-04-2012, 11:55
By European standards, Obama is right-wing (almost). He would fit in well with the paternalistic Tories in the UK and Christian Democratic parties elsewhere in Western Europe(*). The entire US political spectrum, with the exception of maybe the Congressional Progressive Caucus, is alien to most Europeans, at least the elites who run policy. Of course, one of the main reasons there is a USA is because of people who came here to get away from that European paradigm.
I just returned from several weeks in Europe, and grew quite exasperated by the news coverage. Not just BBC and the German networks. Even the AP news on AFN was ridiculously biased. BFBN was a little better, but they didn't really cover any non-British news. ZDF chose the anniversary of 9-11 to run a documentary on Truthers, giving them far too favorable treatment to my mind.
Regarding Obama's arrogance, it is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy and vicious circle. He has spent his whole life surrounded by people telling him how great and smart he was, and greasing the wheels so he never had to be particularly challenged. From his mentors when he was younger to his advisors now that he is older, he has been coddled and praised, and a sycophantic press corps has never remotely shown an interest in crying out that the emperor has no clothes. As he himself has said in interviews, Obama genuinely believes he knows more about every policy than all his policy advisors. Pres. Carter was similar, but Carter was also a workaholic who burned the midnight oil researching the nuts and bolts of policy.
(*) Obama and other liberal Democrats might not be very "Christian" in their politics, but neither are most of the Christian Democratic parties.
I disagree that he is intelligent. The release of some of his tests and quizzes authored as an adjunt instructor (he was NOT a "professor") show an individual not familiar with grammar or sentence construction. Nothing he has ever done is indicative of intelligence. He can READ a good speech; but other than that, he is a product of affirmative action. He's our first affirmative action President. The problem with affirmative action is that at some point in time, you realize that you are woefully unprepared for the position you've been thrust into and you come to the conclusion that your skin color is no longer a shield against having to do your job. For Obama, I believe that moment was last night. He is NOT used to having ANYONE question his "lofty" pronouncements of "Hope" and "Change". When Romney did that very thing last night all he could do was to retreat back into the falsehoods of his campaign rhetoric or start whining like a little school-girl that his opponent is not being "specific"; even though he refuses to offer any specifics himself.
(in my best Jeremiah Wright tone): "OBAMA'S CHIKKINS.....IS CUMMIN HOME TO ROOST".
Pericles
10-04-2012, 12:42
By European standards, Obama is right-wing (almost). He would fit in well with the paternalistic Tories in the UK and Christian Democratic parties elsewhere in Western Europe(*). The entire US political spectrum, with the exception of maybe the Congressional Progressive Caucus, is alien to most Europeans, at least the elites who run policy. Of course, one of the main reasons there is a USA is because of people who came here to get away from that European paradigm.
I just returned from several weeks in Europe, and grew quite exasperated by the news coverage. Not just BBC and the German networks. Even the AP news on AFN was ridiculously biased. BFBN was a little better, but they didn't really cover any non-British news. ZDF chose the anniversary of 9-11 to run a documentary on Truthers, giving them far too favorable treatment to my mind.
Regarding Obama's arrogance, it is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy and vicious circle. He has spent his whole life surrounded by people telling him how great and smart he was, and greasing the wheels so he never had to be particularly challenged. From his mentors when he was younger to his advisors now that he is older, he has been coddled and praised, and a sycophantic press corps has never remotely shown an interest in crying out that the emperor has no clothes. As he himself has said in interviews, Obama genuinely believes he knows more about every policy than all his policy advisors. Pres. Carter was similar, but Carter was also a workaholic who burned the midnight oil researching the nuts and bolts of policy.
(*) Obama and other liberal Democrats might not be very "Christian" in their politics, but neither are most of the Christian Democratic parties.
Yep - it is like every time I visit France is getting a preview of what we will become if current trends continue. I'd like to think that western Europe can be saved, but I'm starting to have my doubts.
I was also reading an analysis of the debate, I forgot which site. But basically it said that for a large percentage of the time Obama used the same phrases he used back in 2008 when debating McCain.
I agree with JimP, he is not an intelligent man, he has just been lead to believe so by the others around him.
Messina was saying that Obama's performance last night was to be expected because they were unable to block large chunks of time in his schedule to prep, because he is the POTUS afterall, and he had POTUS stuff to attend to.
Like visitng The View, as eye-candy, by visiting Letterman, by campaigning in Vegas, and NY, etc
I don't know what is worse, the fact that he himself didn't think he needed the practice, the fact they chose Kerry to be his sparring partner, or the fact his synchophants couldn't be counted on to take care of their boss, and prep him the way he needed to be prepped.
To me, this tells me all I ever needed to know about the Chosen One, as if I needed any more than the last 4 years. He surrounds himself with people stupider than he is, so he can feel superior.
Kind of like my husband's ex. She hangs out with poor white trash, so that she doesn't look quite so poor white trash.
Pericles
10-04-2012, 12:57
He surrounds himself with people stupider than he is, so he can feel superior.
First-rate people hire first-rate people; second-rate people hire third-rate people.
Leo Rosten
mark46th
10-04-2012, 13:15
Obama has been president for almost 4 years. Why would he need to prepare? Also, he has been prepping in Las Vegas, which is over 2000 feet ASL in elevation. Not 5000 feet ASL but still, not Death Valley...
Badger52
10-04-2012, 13:23
Don't do that tweety-bird thing but some of 'em are almost in English and they're amusing as the "bruised" (local paper's words) POTUS gets ready for his U-W version of a Reichstag event.
The VIP area is supposed to represent the 1%. Do nothing, get the best view. So much for being in line at 5 am. #ObamaUW #bitteraboutshovingIn line since when...? :eek:
Teleprompters are on the stage, maybe we'll hear some new material today. #obamauw
I think the tarp & umbrella thing is a fitting touch; we need the rain here bad.
Prediction: POTUS will not use the word "shellacking."
Nothing like a bunch of happy collegians, his kinda people.
Moving [virtually] on.
:cool:
Stargazer
10-04-2012, 14:15
All the Obama pundits/campaign cronies are trying to bring down my 'mile high' high... Thank goodness for Dennis Miller and his one liners to offset the insanity!
I was apprehensive going into last night's debate. I gave notice to those in attendance that I may have to part ways if I can't stomach Obama, that, or there was this new drinking game we were going to play (which I knew I'd lose either way but would go down happy)! :)
Suffice it to say, Mitt Romney did very well! I think he did what he needed to do which is show he is knowledgeable, brought clarity to what his plans are in the simplest of terms and busted some Obama campaign myths. Many key points have already been noted throughout this thread.
Not sure I had a favorite, but it might be when Romney addressed the deduction for moving plants overseas... "Look, I've been in business for 25 years, I have no idea what you're talking about, I maybe need to get a new account." Thoroughly enjoyed his comments pertaining to the myth of reducing the tax share paid by high income individuals.. by saying he knows it's a popular thing to say but has 5 sons and use to people saying things that aren't always true "but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it." I think that is a statement most people can relate to... and that is why I give him an A... because people could relate to his points.
Great job explaining how tax increases Obama wants to implement will impact jobs. I work for an S Corporation and have family members that own S Corporations... and Mitt did an good job raising the awareness. I think he needs to continue to build on it. Also, think he needs to repeat.. repetition, repetition, repetition.. on the difference between oil/gas tax deductions v. renewal energy sources receiving subsidies, along with tax deductions that equate to 90 billion (50 years worth of breaks that oil receives) v. 2.8 billion... on target!
Theywill come back harder.. he needs to stay the course!
I didn't get to watch nor see it on the Web... Due to filters here. But I'm glad it turned out so well. Now if GOV Romney campain team ca get on his boat.. They all be sailing straight!!
Obama has been president for almost 4 years. Why would he need to prepare? Also, he has been prepping in Las Vegas, which is over 2000 feet ASL in elevation. Not 5000 feet ASL but still, not Death Valley...
An excellant point, he IS the PRESIDENT he's prepped on a daily basis. It was very interesting today to be able to hear all the hand wringers out there. Bill Maher almost sounded as if he had buyers remorse. Lots of good comments here!
...Bill Maher almost sounded as if he had buyers remorse.
Bill Maher has contributed at least one million dollars to an Obama Super PAC in 2012, alone - that buyer's remorse couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Maybe Maher can give a million dollars to Big Bird (PBS) next year.
Maybe Maher can give a million dollars to Big Bird (PBS) next year
HAHA..epic
I want to know how much everyone drank. I went through 3 16oz captain and diets. But because I was enjoying bantering with Sig not because of the rules I posted this morning:)Sorry I didn't hold up my end of the drinking. As I'm a lightweight and as I feared the president's blame Bush count was going to reach double digits, I dared not take the vodka out of the freezer.
So... no one but me thinks that this is part of the POTUS's narcissism? He thinks he can just 'show up' - 'mail in' a performance - and still beat 'this clown'.
I really do...
FWIW, my take is that the president had a game plan that centered around baiting Governor Romney to the point he would lose his temper, his cool, and then his composure. From there, the president could do what he does best--counter punch.
When Romney lost his temper and almost lost his cool, I blanched. Fortunately, he not only kept it together, he took his performance to the next level.
Although the consensus is that Romney won the debate, I do think that some of his supporters need to recall Winston Wolf's NSFW comment to Jules Winnfield and Vincent Vega in Jimmie Dimmick's garage after the two finished cleaning the car.
longrange1947
10-04-2012, 17:15
An excellant point, he IS the PRESIDENT he's prepped on a daily basis. It was very interesting today to be able to hear all the hand wringers out there. Bill Maher almost sounded as if he had buyers remorse. Lots of good comments here!
Actually, since he skips all those "oh so boring briefings", he performed just as expected, unprepared, bored, and lost.
May he keep up the "good" work. :munchin :D
Although the consensus is that Romney won the debate, I do think that some of his supporters need to recall Winston Wolf's NSFW comment to Jules Winnfield and Vincent Vega in Jimmie Dimmick's garage after the two finished cleaning the car.
While that may be true, with regards to the President, I prefer this one:
The Wolf: Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character.
Utah Bob
10-04-2012, 17:29
So... no one but me thinks that this is part of the POTUS's narcissism? He thinks he can just 'show up' - 'mail in' a performance - and still beat 'this clown'.
I really do...
I agree completely.
Didn't see the show but the highlights I've seen are a pretty good confirmation of his arrogance and overconfidence. He feels he is the annointed one. Probably pouted for hours after the debate.
Ret10Echo
10-04-2012, 17:41
I agree completely.
Didn't see the show but the highlights I've seen are a pretty good confirmation of his arrogance and overconfidence. He feels he is the annointed one. Probably pouted for hours after the debate.
Well the MSM is espousing his "coming out swinging" after the debate-debacle.
So apparently some people really can only argue with an EMPTY chair...
:D
BBC News
4 October 2012 Last updated at 15:21 ET
Obama comes out swinging at Romney after debate
HERE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19835176)
Give me a break
The Reaper
10-04-2012, 17:53
They underestimated Mitt's ability and I don't think the Dims will be caught unaware by Romney's performance again.
Unless the POTUS has an ego so large that he rejects this reality out of hand. I would say that is a distinct possibility.
I look forward to Ryan kicking "Mr. Hoof in Mouth" Biden right square in the balls next week.
Romney and foreign policy eh? Well, I don't see how he could be much worse at it than the POTUS has been. Bring it.
TR
redneshia Neal All dis talk about what he said what he w ad gon do bit havn't did it mfs can suck a dick and die give him time to fix what da white mfs fucked up get off Obama nuts cuz no matter what y'all say I bet money Obama gon still be runnin shit LMMFAO at thes clowns y'all mad cuz he black DATS DAT SHIT I DON'T LIKE
"Stewardess I speak Jive"
TRANSLATION:
Salutations, I value democracy and the current administration because due to my own poor habits and work ethic I'm socially inept and dependent on the goodwill of others. I live in the greatest most free country in the world and yet have still figured out a way to be a loser. So as you can see gentle friend, Obama is my guy, he promises an easy life and gives me things that are free and that no one will ever have to pay for. Romney scares me, he actually succeeded at something, and could end my gravy train. Since I can't defend Obama on character, and he hasn't done much of note other than be divisive, force through an academic healthcare plan no one wants or even understands, and increase the national debt massively, I will myself be divisive and play the race card, hoping that the perception of greater pigment is somehow correlated to greater entitlement. Did I mention Romney scares me, he seems sensible and clearly loves this country? I may have the last laugh because there are many like me unfortunately...
I remain your humble friend,
Bread and Circuses,
Redneisha Neal Esquire
Bill Maher has contributed at least one million dollars to an Obama Super PAC in 2012, alone...
Maybe it was invested in pakalolo.
"I'm sorry, he sucked," said Maher last night. "He looked tired. He had trouble getting his answers out. Looks like he took my million and spent it all on weed!"
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/big-super-pac-donor-obama-looks-he-took-my-million-and-spent-it-all-weed_653844.html
While Ben Stein has argued that the first presidential debate was an example of American political discourse at its best (http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=469798#post469798), The Economist has offered a take that I find more convincing (source is here (http://www.economist.com/node/21564222/print)).The first presidential debate
Back in the centre, back in the game
Mitt Romney turns his fortunes around
Oct 6th 2012 | WASHINGTON, DC | from the print edition
AFTER months of firing up core supporters in swing states with partisan attack lines and blood-chilling predictions about the other side’s plans, [the president] and Mitt Romney found themselves in their first televised debate on October 3rd, obliged to pitch for undecided voters and independents nationwide.
Both [the president] and Mr Romney duly struck a moderate tone, with none of the personal attacks that have marked the rest of the campaign. ([The president]even declined to shoot at a goal left open when Mr Romney joked about tax breaks for firms that moved jobs overseas, saying that since he knew nothing about them, “I maybe need to get a new accountant.”)
In one sense the first debate achieved the worst of all worlds: it managed to be technical, even dull, without being substantive or especially honest. But Mr Romney—who was conversational, engaged and engaging—did himself many more favours than the president, who was professorial and ponderous, and at times seemed to be wishing himself far away from the debate hall at the University of Denver. An instant poll of registered voters by CNN, a television channel, found that 67% thought Mr Romney had won, against 25% for [the president].
[The president's] problems were partly structural. An incumbent must defend the realities and compromises of government, while a challenger is freer to promise the earth, details to follow. [The president's] odd solution was to play both incumbent and challenger, jumping from a defence of his record to indignation at such ills as over-crowded classrooms and tax breaks for big oil companies. At times, he sounded as if it were 2008 as he denounced the legacy of the Bush administration. Mr Romney, understandably, sounded disbelieving as he reminded his opponent of broken promises to halve the deficit and noted: “You’ve been president four years!”
Mr Romney came close to performing the tack to the centre that many had expected after he won the brutal Republican primary. He talked up his record as governor of Massachusetts, when he worked very successfully with a Democratic state legislature. He acknowledged the need for effective regulation of Wall Street and other markets, for public investment in education and vowed that he would not support any tax cut that increased deficits. Rather than vowing to shrink government for the sake of it, he offered a test: to ask if a programme was so critical, “it’s worth borrowing money from China to pay for it.”
Yet on the hardest question—explaining how he would keep his pledge to lower tax rates across the board while avoiding adding to the deficit and at the same time avoiding regressive changes to the tax code that would hit the middle classes more than the wealthy—Mr Romney again failed to provide clear answers. He also repeated false claims about [the president] cutting hundreds of billions from Medicare programmes for the elderly.
Political history is strewn with debate triumphs or gaffes said to have altered the course of several presidential races, though unscrambling the effects is always hard. Ronald Reagan’s amiable “There you go again” riposte in his 1980 debate with Jimmy Carter is credited with reassuring voters that he was not the fierce ideologue some feared. Yet the debate period was also filled with bad news for Mr Carter, involving the economy and American hostages in Iran. In 2004 television viewers told pollsters that John Kerry won each of his three debates with George Bush. That did not stop the Democrat from losing the election.
Two close elections were clearly determined by debates. In 2000 Al Gore threw away a comfortable lead in opinion polls with woeful performances. Most decisively, Richard Nixon’s pale, haggard appearance in a 1960 clash with a tanned, relaxed John F. Kennedy was understood that same night as a disaster for the Republican. But even that debate has been misremembered, with much talk of Lazy-Shave instant make-up applied to conceal Nixon’s five o’clock shadow. Nixon’s bigger problem was a fever and pain from an injured knee. In any case, Nixon drew his own conclusions, refusing to debate in later presidential contests.
[The president] has no such luxury open to him. Two more presidential debates are to come, as well as a vice-presidential debate on October 11th. Mr Romney’s combative showing puts him back in the game, after trailing for weeks in key states. [The president's] listless first performance will remind voters of a question as yet unanswered: what, exactly, would this president do with four more years in office?
IRT to the level of respect the candidates demonstrated towards each other, I must have missed it. MOO, the amount of time each candidate spent scoffing, smirking, and rolling their eyes at the other warranted the level of dissatisfaction that some of the president's supporters expressed towards both men on Twitter. (Even Wanda Sykes, a comic, whose politics are as blue as her language, called for a higher level of decorum.)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2215889/U-S-presidential-election-2012-Barack-Obama-says-polite-debate.html
He was just too polite, he does not seem to have that problem out there on the stump, or in his commercials. We are gonna need old Dandy Don to sing " Turn out the lights" for O come election night.