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This time outside of the Empire State Building :mad: Link (http://news.yahoo.com/several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building-133147539.html) The story is still developing. What the hell is in the water lately? Prayers out to the families and victims. If this crap keeps up I wouldn't doubt that a serious firearm crackdown (Katrina style) all over the U.S. will take place.
At least the shooter is dead in this instance.
longrange1947
08-24-2012, 07:56
Naw, couldn't happen, gun free zone, it is the LAW. :munchin
Badger52
08-24-2012, 10:01
If this crap keeps up I wouldn't doubt that a serious firearm crackdown (Katrina style) all over the U.S. will take place.Prayers for the victims; I wish once one of these whacko's would perform the "off myself" test with their firearm first, just to make sure it's working...
:rolleyes:
FYI, ALOT of states passed laws right after Katrina to prohibit just such conduct. Ours happens to include private sale/transfer & commerce protection as well. Not that a prohibitive sign/statute prevents criminal/treasonous conduct but a fed trying to do something like that would need a big lunch. The "serious firearm crackdown" has been happening for decades, enabled by both political parties.
vorticity
08-24-2012, 10:10
Based on 2010 statistics, there's an average of something like 1.4 homicides per day in NYC. Two dead, including the shooter, seems to fall into that average.
Given a slow news cycle and the relative proximity in time to two other shooting events, this seems more like the media attempting to extend a 'narrative' than genuine news. We'll see if it gains much traction. Certainly cries for stronger gun laws can't stick, since it's hard to imagine any place that could *have* stronger gun laws than NYC.
My thoughts are that since all this attention lately, and the frequency of events all over the country, it will garner more gun control support from the population. There are several million guns circulating throughout the country and abolition or seizure is as foolish as wiping before you poop, but voting Americans that were on the fence about guns might lean more toward the side of gun control as opposed to gun rights. I realize it's far off, but if this keeps up we're going to see some new questions pop up on those screens every four years or so.
Just heard that the shooter only shot one person (his x boss who recently fired him) and the rest may have been shot by police caught in the crossfire.
There were 19 shootings in the past 48 hours in Chicago. Funny how that hasn't made the MSM.
Guymullins
08-24-2012, 10:51
There were 19 shootings in the past 48 hours in Chicago. Funny how that hasn't made the MSM.
AND its the home of the skyscraper.
AND its the home of the skyscraper.
Um, the Empire State Building is in New York City, not Chicago.
There were 19 shootings in the past 48 hours in Chicago. Funny how that hasn't made the MSM.
That statement prompted me to check up on my area. I found a pretty cool search page for such things. Here's the link: SpotCrime. (http://spotcrime.com/md/baltimore) You have to register, but it seems worth it. When looking at Baltimore, I can understand why the MSM doesn't cover their shootings... not enough reporters :eek:
Guymullins
08-24-2012, 11:31
Um, the Empire State Building is in New York City, not Chicago.
On this side of the planet, we were always told that Chicago was the birthplace of the skyscraper. Probably another piece of misinformation. Sorry.
On this side of the planet, we were always told that Chicago was the birthplace of the skyscraper. Probably another piece of misinformation. Sorry.
You are correct, Guy, first sky scrapers in Chicago. The point being, of course, that D.C., N.Y. and Chicago have the most strct gun control laws in the USA. And as QP longrange1947 points out, it's the LAW.
Guymullins
08-24-2012, 12:11
Thanks Sarski, it seems that many of these atrocities in the US are taking place in Gun-Free areas. This makes Gun Free Zones very dangerous. Are lawmakers aware of this? Certainly it is doubtful that law abiding citizens carrying guns will be able to stop all unlawful shootings, but they are likely able to curtail the multiple ones.
longrange1947
08-24-2012, 12:47
That statement prompted me to check up on my area. I found a pretty cool search page for such things. Here's the link: SpotCrime. (http://spotcrime.com/md/baltimore) You have to register, but it seems worth it. When looking at Baltimore, I can understand why the MSM doesn't cover their shootings... not enough reporters :eek:
Yes, Baltimore, another of the gun free zones. See that shit really works!!! :munchin
Badger52
08-24-2012, 12:52
Thanks Sarski, it seems that many of these atrocities in the US are taking place in Gun-Free areas. This makes Gun Free Zones very dangerous. Are lawmakers aware of this? You have a 100% grasp of the dynamic sir:
- Yes they do. (Schools, churches, hospitals, sports venues, gov't buildings, et al.)
- Yes they are. (Not to the shooter.)
- Yes they are. (Which to me is tantamount to criminal depraved indifference.)
There is, ultimately, only one reason for a government to want to strip citizens of arms or, failing that, to know precisely where they can be found.
Guy, see if you can find a few issues of the "American Rifleman" magazine, and go to around page 10 in them to read "The Armed Citizen". These are anecdotes involving what happens when dumbass criminals screw up around real Americans.
The Reaper
08-24-2012, 16:28
This time outside of the Empire State Building :mad: Link (http://news.yahoo.com/several-people-shot-outside-empire-state-building-133147539.html) The story is still developing. What the hell is in the water lately? Prayers out to the families and victims. If this crap keeps up I wouldn't doubt that a serious firearm crackdown (Katrina style) all over the U.S. will take place.
Copycats.
They want to be famous, and the media obliges them.
TR
swatsurgeon
08-24-2012, 16:41
For every one shooting in the US, there are 10-15 deaths and over 350-400 massive injuries due to motor vehicles.......don't hear about those since little sensationalism, not as sexy to the media as a shooting
Thanks Sarski, it seems that many of these atrocities in the US are taking place in Gun-Free areas. This makes Gun Free Zones very dangerous. Are lawmakers aware of this? Certainly it is doubtful that law abiding citizens carrying guns will be able to stop all unlawful shootings, but they are likely able to curtail the multiple ones.
All that I am aware of is that for some reason these types of incidents tend to occour mostly in locales that have gun control laws in place, and then when it happens politicians in those mostly liberal areas stake claims for more gun control. What makes them think a) the laws work in the first place, and b) an armed citizen wouldn't be able to defend theirselves, or their loved ones.
One thing is for certain, unless the politicians plan on regulating and monitoring every single worker and hour of machine use in a machine shop, or home shop, guns and plenty of ammo will always be available.
Cops Shoot Dead ESB Gunman (Warning: Graphic) (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/24/multiple-people-reported-shot-near-empire-state-building/)
The NYPD released dramatic footage Friday night of their confrontation with Johnson before they eventually shot and killed him. The video shows what Police Commissioner Ray Kelly stated earlier — that the suspect pulled his handgun from the bag and pointed it at officers before the deadly conclusion to the situation.
SFOC0173
08-24-2012, 19:25
[Dusty][/Guy, see if you can find a few issues of the "American Rifleman" magazine, and go to around page 10 in them to read "The Armed Citizen". These are anecdotes involving what happens when dumbass criminals screw up around real Americans. ]
Well said Sir.
Suicide by cop, maybe?
I would say you're 100% correct on that one Dusty.
But why shoot innocent civilians? When all he had to do was find a cop and point a gun at them.
Streck-Fu
08-24-2012, 21:24
But why shoot innocent civilians? When all he had to do was find a cop and point a gun at them.
He shot the manager that fired him. It seems that the officers shooting at him missed some shots and hit the bystanders.
He shot the manager that fired him. It seems that the officers shooting at him missed some shots and hit the bystanders.
holy crap!!!!!
When will departments take training serious?
Destrier
08-25-2012, 02:27
Just got done with the second iteration of Car-15 rifle course for local LEO's in my county, NY, State. First class, one town officer refused to use sights with his car-15 when we were at 7 meters and one female officer could not draw her side arm (took 15 seconds to get pistol from holster) during transition training. Second class, one officer could not draw side arm again in under 15 seconds. When will they take things seriously? I have no clue.
Unapologetic Soldier
08-25-2012, 02:47
I found a pretty cool search page for such things. Here's the link: SpotCrime. (http://spotcrime.com/md/baltimore) You have to register, but it seems worth it. When looking at Baltimore, I can understand why the MSM doesn't cover their shootings... not enough reporters :eek:[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the web site. Could prove to be useful.
TacOfficer
08-25-2012, 10:54
There were 19 shootings in the past 48 hours in Chicago. Funny how that hasn't made the MSM.
THANK YOU!
Where are the reverends proclaiming the outrage? Where are the media publicizing the carnage?
Eh, move along nothing to see here........
Inflexible Six
08-25-2012, 14:47
Just got done with the second iteration of Car-15 rifle course for local LEO's in my county, NY, State. First class, one town officer refused to use sights with his car-15 when we were at 7 meters and one female officer could not draw her side arm (took 15 seconds to get pistol from holster) during transition training. Second class, one officer could not draw side arm again in under 15 seconds. When will they take things seriously? I have no clue.
One of the drawbacks of the all-volunteer military is that fewer people serve, hence fewer civilian LEOs have been exposed to combat and/or combat firearms courses and training.
R3V3LATIONS
08-25-2012, 15:06
Some Cops are some of the worst shots out there. They have the (incorrect/erroneous) mindset of "less than 1% of cops have to shoot anything, let alone take the arm rest out of its holster, so my skills with this aren't needed" or have the "show up, collect paycheck, leave" mentality. Both of which are widely prevalent on a national level, promulgate a collective disregard for training, and flat out annoy me to no end...because come range time when most fail due to NEVER practicing, they then whine/bitch/moan and pull rank etc. to gets the range standards lowered so they can pass next year. This puts the public at a risk they will probably never understand, and why private citizens must be allowed to keep and bear arms and carry them daily.
Edit by Razor: Let's not paint with too broad a brush, ok?
They shot him point blank range. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the rounds that hit the others traveled through the guy and out the other side. There were so many other ways this could have been done. Why not run to him? Would not closing the distance as fast as possible make sense? Its a shame others got hurt, but at least the guy is dead and now we don't have to pay for him.
And here it is:
"All nine people wounded during a dramatic confrontation between police and a gunman outside the Empire State Building were struck by bullets fired by the two officers, police said Saturday, citing ballistics evidence. "
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit-by-police-gunfire/#ixzz24c6dh4dE
I guess the MSM has started to post a few more incidents. This time on the first day of school :( Link. (http://news.yahoo.com/suspect-maryland-school-shooting-custody-155111412.html) An excerpt from the Baltimore Sun:
PERRY HALL, Md. (AP) — Police say a suspect is in custody after the shooting of a student on the first day of classes at a high school near Baltimore.
Baltimore County police say the Perry Hall High School student was flown to a hospital after being shot Monday morning. Police say a suspect was taken into custody after the shooting but did not provide additional details.