View Full Version : Navy SEAL's book will describe raid that killed bin Laden
Kyobanim
08-22-2012, 19:42
It had to happen sooner or later.
A detailed first-person account of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden, written under a pseudonym by a member of the Navy SEALs who participated in the mission and was present at bin Laden’s death, will be released next month, the publisher said on Wednesday.
The book, “No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama bin Laden,” which is scheduled to be released on Sept. 11, has been a tightly held secret at the publisher, Penguin. It promises to be one of the biggest books of the year, with the potential to affect the presidential campaign in the final weeks before the election.
The author’s name will be listed as Mark Owen by Dutton, an imprint of Penguin. For security reasons, he used a pseudonym and changed the names of other SEAL members.
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I've got the book. Starts out, "He poured a mellow summer brew into an old stein leftover from his Harvard days as his wife complained that he was drinking too much and his diet was horrible. 'We'll talk," he said.
He eased back into his easy chair and kicked off his golf shoes, reminiscing about his latest kill-UBL.
"Hairier by far than the pirate thang", he mused, smiling to himself.
Goes on from there. :rolleyes:
XngZeRubicon
08-22-2012, 20:41
When I read this today, I was confused about the sentence that said, "...with the potential to affect the presidential race" because the liberal rag writing the article seemed to suggest it would support Obama. Does anyone have any insight into what "impact" it will have? Thx
Divemaster
08-22-2012, 21:25
Depending on if this is legit and how much "classified" info is in there this has the potential to negate the vets coming out against the supposed leaks from the WH.
Well, except for whoever leaked that whole AQ mole working for us thing. To me, that has massive 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc order effects that could reverberate for years beyond this administration.
Taking credit for the stuxnet virus....that was sweet...yeah, we did it, ain't we cool....how stupid. That ind should be found and shot.
Way too soon… Whatever happened to the term “Quiet Professionals” :confused: If the proceeds from the book don’t go to the families of the fallen, IMHO, the guy is an attention whore, and a POS, DEVGRU or not…. Just my 00.02
A little less heart warming rhetoric would be nice , I think. ;)
Either you shut the hell up about killing UBL or you get your manuscript vetted by the relevant folks at JSOC and do whatever you want with the proceeds.
Anything else in between is just a futile justification, IMO.
Paragrouper
08-22-2012, 23:34
Whatever happened to the term “Quiet Professionals”
They're not, they're Seals; speedo wearing, volleyball playing, UBL-killing Seals. They write books and star in movies--quiet is not their strong suit. I expect this will be the first of many "I was there and looking good" books that will come out for this mission.
They're not, they're Seals; speedo wearing, volleyball playing, UBL-killing Seals. They write books and star in movies--quiet is not their strong suit. I expect this will be the first of many "I was there and looking good" books that will come out for this mission.
No pink font? Pretty disrespectful of our SOF brethren. I know several SEALs who would concur to nix the book idea. Plenty of QPs writing books and starring on TV last time I checked.
Guymullins
08-23-2012, 01:55
No pink font? Pretty disrespectful of our SOF brethren. I know several SEALs who would concur to nix the book idea. Plenty of QPs writing books and starring on TV last time I checked.
Surely something as sensetive as this would be sewn up in Classified information, oaths of secrecy etc etc. Is this not a White House initiative perhaps? If it spills the beans on the Operation, why keep the authors name secret? Perhaps it was Gore Vidals swansong.
No matter how you slice it, the Navy SEAL video has ALWAYS seemed to be more fact than fiction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv9AUFpRGyc
"Absolutely Sir, discretion assured....
...I FUCKING SHOT BIN-LAAAADEEEN"
Did anybody really think that fact wouldn't eventually follow fiction? Its like being mad at a fish for eating worms. Look at Dalton Fury, does anyone think if it was him on the trigger that we wouldn't already be reading an "I fucking shot Bin-Laden" book by now?
I'm surprised it took as long as it did.
I did not expect someone from the "team" writing a book on the raid so soon.This is very much expected,I do think maybe 10-20 years later OBL's corpse pictures might be released or leaked.
The reaction among former and current DEVGRU members might be interesting,so will that of SOCOM & JSOC,especially after their reaction to Lt.(retd.) Chuck Pfarrer's book on the raid.
Inflexible Six
08-23-2012, 05:56
Dalton Fury cashed in with a book about killing UBL in which UBL was not only not killed, but not even seen. But he had lots of references to cool gear, (and IIRC he even took a few swipes at SF). Think of the movie and merchandising that must certainly follow any book about actually killing the guy and you could almost imagine Navy SEAL/UBL/UBLwife/Obama Action Figures...
I've got the book. Starts out, "He poured a mellow summer brew into an old stein leftover from his Harvard days as his wife complained that he was drinking too much and his diet was horrible. 'We'll talk," he said.
He eased back into his easy chair and kicked off his golf shoes, reminiscing about his latest kill-UBL.
"Hairier by far than the pirate thang", he mused, smiling to himself.
Goes on from there. :rolleyes:
I was thinking something similar when I saw the article on Drudge this morning. You sir, however, owe me a keyboard, that is the most deserving intro for O's next "autobiography" and by far the funniest thing I have read in quite a while.
Badger52
08-23-2012, 06:57
(to Dusty) You sir, however, owe me a keyboard, that is the most deserving intro for O's next "autobiography" and by far the funniest thing I have read in quite a while.Learn "the pivot" - shift your body weight just a bit, take sip of your Java, savor it, swallow it, set it back down... THEN directly confront your monitor and read. This is particularly important when reading a thread where Special Forces Soldiers may be discussing the latest book by a SEAL (serving, former, knew a brother-inlaw, or other) writing about themselves. Keyboards are on you.
1stindoor
08-23-2012, 09:39
I've got the book. Starts out, "He poured a mellow summer brew into an old stein leftover from his Harvard days as his wife complained that he was drinking too much and his diet was horrible. 'We'll talk," he said.
He eased back into his easy chair and kicked off his golf shoes, reminiscing about his latest kill-UBL.
"Hairier by far than the pirate thang", he mused, smiling to himself.
Goes on from there. :rolleyes:
That's good...but I was thinking more along the lines of letters to a certain "adult" forum...
Dear Soldier of Fortune...I never believed your stories were true until one day...
1stindoor
08-23-2012, 10:54
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/23/author-bin-laden-raid-insider-account-idd-could-face-legal-trouble/
This could get a lot uglier over the next few weeks.
That's good...but I was thinking more along the lines of letters to a certain "adult" forum...
Dear Soldier of Fortune...I never believed your stories were true until one day...
I did remember that incident when I thought that "Will he too get the same firing from his mates that someone else got long back".
As a civilian I'd say that the BTDT's are the only ones that should be entitled to opinions on this action because they are/have been BTDT's(SEAL/SF/SMU).
Badger52
08-23-2012, 11:40
As a civilian I'd say that the BTDT's are the only ones that should be entitled to opinions on this action because they are/have been BTDT's(SEAL/SF/SMU).As a civilian (now) I'd say that the "action" is soon likely to be more along the lines of investigating whether there was unauthorized disclosure of things still of value to those still serving, rather than titillating details that might normally drive such book sales. Busting OPSEC or TTPs in my daily work is gonna get you a speedy rudder correction applied; whether you're in ACUs or Dockers.
I wonder whether GEN Dempsey feels as if this was "helpful."
Maybe the book was well-edited. We'll see.
As a civilian (now) I'd say that the "action" is soon likely to be more along the lines of investigating whether there was unauthorized disclosure of things still of value to those still serving, rather than titillating details that might normally drive such book sales. Busting OPSEC or TTPs in my daily work is gonna get you a speedy rudder correction applied; whether you're in ACUs or Dockers.
I wonder whether GEN Dempsey feels as if this was "helpful."
Maybe the book was well-edited. We'll see.
Doesn't matter if it was well edited or not. Did he or did he not sign the same form I did? The form that states the issues that will arise for releasing classified, even after exiting the service? But you can bet if this makes Obama look good the DOJ will do nothing about it.
Somehow, I think the only editting this book could recieve to ensure classified didn't get out, is a bunch of empty pages.
Doesn't matter if it was well edited or not. Did he or did he not sign the same form I did? The form that states the issues that will arise for releasing classified, even after exiting the service? But you can bet if this makes Obama look good the DOJ will do nothing about it.
Somehow, I think the only editting this book could recieve to ensure classified didn't get out, is a bunch of empty pages.
My thoughts exactly. Just because he got out, doesn't release him from nondisclosure rules. I remember saying right after Osama was killed. How long to the first book comes out.
Inflexible Six
08-23-2012, 16:56
"multiple sources" have told Fox News the author's real name is Matt Bissonette...
Multiple sources are bursting at the seams apparently to disclose all the information they can about things that should remain undisclosed. It was 30 years before many of the secrets from WWII were declassified. We have men and women still fighting this enemy...Why do I feel that politics once again is the driving force behind the timing of this book release?
tom kelly
08-23-2012, 18:32
Navy Special Warfare "Seal Team Six" now has it's Eric Haney, I hope he ( Matt Bissonnette) enjoyes the publicity just like Haney does to this day. Qp's who worked in the "J" area on Ft. Bragg can tell you how popular he,Eric Haney is within that circle of Soldier's today. TK
I just hope that OPSEC and other SEAL's condem this guy. I am so tired of SEAL this and SEAL that from MSM to SOFREP........ They love tooting their horn and listening to their voice.
This guy is playing into the Obama supporters hands because now they can play the "Your guy didnot vet this book and disclosed sensitive info or more"
Ambush Master
08-23-2012, 19:23
Way too soon… Whatever happened to the term “Quiet Professionals” :confused: If the proceeds from the book don’t go to the families of the fallen, IMHO, the guy is an attention whore, and a POS, DEVGRU or not…. Just my 00.02
That's why we refer to them as Squeals!!!
Later
Martin
Basenshukai
08-24-2012, 05:12
"Quiet Professionals" LOL! Right.
miclo18d
08-24-2012, 05:53
WASHINGTON (AP) - Special operations chief Adm. Bill McRaven warned his troops, current and former, that he would take legal action against anyone found to have exposed sensitive information that could cause fellow forces harm.
“We will pursue every option available to hold members accountable, including criminal prosecution where appropriate,” the four-star commander wrote, in an open, unclassified letter emailed to the active-duty special operations community Thursday, and obtained by The Associated Press.
The warning came a day after a retired Navy commando revealed he is publishing a first-hand account of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Pentagon officials say they have not been given a chance to review the book.
It also follows a media campaign by special operations veterans, decrying alleged leaks by President Barack Obama’s administration of secret operations, and criticizing Obama’s highlighting the raid as part of his reelection campaign.
McRaven also took former special operators to task for “using their `celebrity’ status to advance their personal or professional agendas.”
He acknowledged that former service members are “well within their rights to advocate for certain causes or write books about their adventures,” but he cautioned them against claiming to speak for all special operations troops and against endangering troops by what they write.
News broke Wednesday that one of the SEALs McRaven commanded on the bin Laden raid would be releasing his book, “No Easy Day,” on Sept. 11, with the author listed under the pseudonym of Mark Owen.
The author was identified Thursday by Fox News as Matt Bissonnette, who retired from the Navy last summer.
One current and one former U.S. military official confirmed the name, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss military personnel matters.
Penguin Group (USA)’s Dutton imprint, the publisher, asked news organizations Thursday to withhold his identity.
“Sharing the true story of his personal experience in `No Easy Day’ is a courageous act in the face of obvious risks to his personal security,” Dutton spokeswoman Christine Ball said in a statement. “That personal security is the sole reason the book is being published under a pseudonym.”
Bissonnette also changed the names of the other SEALs in the account, the publisher says.
Efforts to locate Bissonnette for comment were unsuccessful.
McRaven’s plea for discretion comes as a number of special operators publish memoirs or appear in the media.
Best seller “American Sniper,” was published this year by recently retired SEAL Chris Kyle, detailing his 150-plus kills of insurgents from 1999 to 2009.
I guess he forgot he was part of the problem:
A retired general today assailed the commander of the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden for drawing too much media attention to operations that he argued should be kept under wraps.
Special Operations Commander Adm. Bill McRaven was confronted by retired Lt. Gen. James Vaught, who said he didn’t understand why the recent raids by the Navy SEALs, such as the one to kill Osama bin Laden or to rescue U.S. hostage Jessica Buchanan, were all over the media.
“Since the time when your wonderful team went and drug bin Laden out and got rid of him, and more recently when you went down and rescued the group in Somalia, or wherever the hell they were, they’ve been splashing all of this all over the media,” Vaught, 85, said. “I flat don’t understand that.
“Now back when my special operators extracted Saddam [Hussein] from the hole, we didn’t say one damn word about it,” he continued. “We turned him over to the local commander and told him to claim that his forces drug him out of the hole, and he did so. And we just faded away and kept our mouth shut.
“Now I’m going to tell you, one of these days, if you keep publishing how you do this, the other guy’s going to be there ready for you, and you’re going to fly in and he’s going to shoot down every damn helicopter and kill every one of your SEALs. Now, watch it happen. Mark my words. Get the hell out of the media,” he concluded, as laughter broke out at a meeting of the National Defense Industrial Association in Washington, D.C.
Vaught commanded the failed mission to rescue the hostages in Iran in 1979. Eight service members died and four were injured in “Operation Eagle Claw” when the helicopters on the mission collided in the remote Iranian desert. Vaught, whose role made him the first commander of Delta Force, was not active duty during the Hussein raid, which was also conducted by the Delta Force, the secretive counterterrorism unit.
McRaven jokingly responded that he became a Navy SEAL because his sister was dating a special forces member and because he was infatuated with John Wayne’s movie, “The Green Beret.”
“The fact of the matter is, there have always been portrayals of SOF [Special Operations Forces] out in the mainstream media,” he said. “We are in an environment today where we can’t get away from it. It is not something that we actively pursue, as I think a number of the journalists here in the audience will confirm. But the fact of the matter is, with the social media being what it is today, with the press and the 24-hour news cycle, it’s very difficult to get away from it.”
He added that it was difficult to avoid media coverage in today’s 24-hour news cycle and that it could actually help Navy SEALs do their job better.
“We have had a few failures. And I think having those failures exposed in the media also kind of helps focus our attention, helps us do a better job. So sometimes the criticism … the spotlight on us actually makes us better,” McRaven said.
The Navy SEALs have received heavy media attention in the past year thanks to the bin Laden raid and the rescue in Somalia. A movie titled “Act for Valor” focusing on the elite special operations force is due for release next month and Academy Award-winning director Kathryn Bigelow is making a movie about the raid that killed the world’s most wanted man.
McRaven was in Washington, D.C., today talking about an expansion in the role of special operations forces in Afghanistan. Special operations troops, McRaven said, would likely be the last to leave the country and the Pentagon is even considering a new special operations command, but that has not been decided yet.
“I have no doubt that special operations will be the last to leave Afghanistan,” McRaven said. “As far as anything beyond that, we’re exploring a lot of options.”
I am so sick of this shit. When I was going through the Congressional Operatons Course up on the Hill, we had a discussion with an AP reporter on Media and the Military. He was asked to explain why he felt the public's right to know outweighed OPSEC as well as the security of our forces in the region.
He went on and on about that is what journalism is about. That if we are at war, the folks at home have the right to know everything that was going on.
I stood up and told him that I had a husband and a son in the AOR at the time, and if any harm came to them because something HE published, I would hunt him down and kill him with my own hands. He didn't take kindly to that, but several other military members in the room echoed my statement.
I don't think he speaks at that course anymore. :D
I don't understand why someone who has served would knowingly put his brothers and sisters in arms in harms was just to make a buck, or to stroke their ego, or any other reasons. I infuriates me. I can't imagine how you all feel about it, with this being so close to home for you.
My Dad had a security clearance that still befuddles me. He has been retired for 22 years. HE NEVER EVER discusses the things he did in uniform to ANYONE, even with folks that have TS/SCI. To the point, that I have absolutely no idea what he did in the service. I thought he was a computer geek until I was commissioned, then I realized he probably did more than that based on where he was stationed throughout his career. But he won't even tell me what his AFSC was :)
I am sure that there are times he would like to, in order to fix misperceptions, say something, but he doesn't because he knows the things he was working on probably still have relevance in this day and age, and he doesn't want to put anyone at risk.
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I don't understand why someone who has served would knowingly put his brothers and sisters in arms in harms was just to make a buck, or to stroke their ego, or any other reasons. I infuriates me.
Concur.
Honorable discretion with regard to "security" seems to be becoming relative along with morality.
Badger52
08-24-2012, 07:22
My Dad had a security clearance that still befuddles me. He has been retired for 22 years. HE NEVER EVER discusses the things he did in uniform to ANYONE, even with folks that have TS/SCI. To the point, that I have absolutely no idea what he did in the service. I thought he was a computer geek until I was commissioned, then I realized he probably did more than that based on where he was stationed throughout his career. But he won't even tell me what his AFSC was :)Nice, understanding what "need to know" means. Good on your Dad.
1st fonecon to Mom by daugher from K2 soon after 11 Sept and Mom's constant questions, with daughter's standard "I can't tell you Mom" reply. Then after a bunch of that it was "put dad on the phone..."
"Give Mom some OPSEC-101 will ya?"
An analyst who I can't recall defined the current state as:
"Apparently, Top Secret now means that it's 24 hours before details appear in the Washington Post, Secret means 12 hours, and Confidential is streamed live."
:rolleyes:
Question:
Is it correct that active duty NAVSOF was used for the filming of 'Act of Valor"?
Question:
Is it true that this participation was endorsed by upper level leadership?
Question:
Is anyone surprised that we created a pattern that we are now unhappy with?
Like I say... its like being mad at a fish for eating worms.
Question:
Is it correct that active duty NAVSOF was used for the filming of 'Act of Valor"?
Question:
Is it true that this participation was endorsed by upper level leadership?
Question:
Is anyone surprised that we created a pattern that we are now unhappy with?
Like I say... its like being mad at a fish for eating worms.
YES (it was done over 4 years during normal training scheduled events for the teams) no special pulling of assets or people just to get the Hollywood film in the can faster.
YES (This is done for many shows/movies if the Pentagon thinks it will be positive for the military)
YES/NO (it goes to their maturity, values and moral compass) Hell I could probably put a book out from my past but I know it would not be right in my mind. The majority of our brothers believe the same it is the minority in SOF but the SEAL's seem to have a high propensity for Hollywood and the Press compared to other SOF groups.
the Bin Laden deal is not the meat/potatos...stuxnet, the Paki Dr. who helped ID UBL and is now in prison (his ID leaked) and the operative in Yeman that located Al Alwaki....'We have an inside guy'...that had to exfil and is useless now....those were very top level leaks of past and ongoing ops.
Dozer523
08-24-2012, 10:17
Don't we always say (brag), "I don't do it for the money." ?
Until someone does. And then it's suddenly about exersising the Civil Rights he spent a career defending.
Navy Cross wasn't enough?
Badger52
08-24-2012, 14:05
the Bin Laden deal is not the meat/potatos...stuxnet, the Paki Dr. who helped ID UBL and is now in prison (his ID leaked) and the operative in Yeman that located Al Alwaki....'We have an inside guy'...that had to exfil and is useless now....those were very top level leaks of past and ongoing ops.Yup, right THERE is the larger deal. We ran into this all the time during the Cold War. It was less about people writing books (well, except for that Philip Agee substance) but about other nationals basically saying, "Why? You doom me even by being seen with you because your leaders cannot keep their f'n mouth shut! Now go away." Who can blame them? Later let's hammer the intel services because something got missed because we had no intel.
Self-licking ice cream cone.
New Developments:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193851/No-Easy-Day-Steven-Spielberg-meets-ex-Navy-SEAL-discuss-movie-rights.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Team Sergeant
08-29-2012, 13:35
New Developments:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193851/No-Easy-Day-Steven-Spielberg-meets-ex-Navy-SEAL-discuss-movie-rights.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Just remember that the dailymail.co.uk is wrong about 50% of the time especially when they deal with US SOF articles.
Just remember that the dailymail.co.uk is wrong about 50% of the time especially when they deal with US SOF articles.
Everyone is trying to get as much dirt as they can on this issue.A website I wouldn't want to name has posted a truckload on this issue,heard they are getting an advance copy too.
Looks like (according to a couple of online news portals) the jihadist have gotten a hold of his photo as well...man, where does this end?
The Reaper
08-30-2012, 17:14
Looks like (according to a couple of online news portals) the jihadist have gotten a hold of his photo as well...man, where does this end?
It ends if you keep your mouth shut and let Hollywood or a writer tell the story without your help there, teammate.
Then you never pop up on the radar.
TR
Airbornelawyer
08-30-2012, 17:59
The author was identified Thursday by Fox News as Matt Bissonnette, who retired from the Navy last summer.
One current and one former U.S. military official confirmed the name, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss military personnel matters.
Highlighted for the irony-impaired. :rolleyes:
Our standard line was:
"You got a question, you need to go talk to my boss."
"OK, where can I find your boss?"
"He's not hard to find - he wears two stars and is at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. End of conversation."
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
MountainMan35
08-30-2012, 19:02
Our standard line was:
"You got a question, you need to go talk to my boss."
"OK, where can I find your boss?"
"He's not hard to find - he wears two stars and is at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. End of conversation."
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Unfortunately a lot of the people I find myself surrounded by in my age bracket (mid 20s) are a true subscriber in "Generation Me." I was raised in an SF family, having two uncles proudly serve in Vietnam as SF and my father a Ranger. The first quote in my signature was drilled into me from a very early age and continues to be drilled into my child.
Badger52
08-31-2012, 09:44
In the letter, Johnson formally notified Bissonnette that he was in “material breach and violation” of two agreements he signed in 2007 promising not to disclose classified information.
WaPo Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/author-of-book-on-bin-laden-raid-could-face-legal-action/2012/08/30/ddf81b32-f305-11e1-8b5e-add8e2fb7c95_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop)
It seems doubtful, however, that the Obama administration would decide to prosecute a man who is widely seen as a national hero for his role in killing bin Laden.
The administration is also hamstrung because it encouraged a pro-Obama Hollywood producer to make a movie about the bin Laden raid.
Link to a 2 minute interview of the SEAL on 60 minutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/the-osama-bin-laden-raid-close-up/2012/08/30/03f3c196-f2a3-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_video.html
I pre-ordered my copy today,will be getting it around mid-september.
I have to wonder...
What would this guy be saying about "the book" if one of his platoon mates had beat him to the publishers?
Mr Bissonette: I have a story I'd like to sell...
Book Publisher: We're terribly sorry sir, it seems a young Petty Officer by the name of Salty McSeal has already sold us the story about how he saved the world from pirates and terrorists, and he only asked for 10 million dollars.
...I really have to wonder if his next line would be:
A) Oh, well I am so glad to hear of his good fortune. He is a really great guy.
B) What? Who does he think he is to sell out the teams like that?
Truth imitates art. I'll never again be able to think of this operation without having the image of Rob Riggle popping into my head.
Who would have thought when that video came out that it would turn out to be so close to the truth...
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3ASpecial+Forces&keywords=Special+Forces&ie=UTF8&qid=1346467484
Well if they charge him for anything. They will have to go after the authors of these books. 20 pages of special op's books.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3ASpecial+Forces&keywords=Special+Forces&ie=UTF8&qid=1346467484
Well if they charge him for anything. They will have to go after the authors of these books. 20 pages of special op's books.
If they do not go after him then the doors will be open and no one will respect what they signed and swore to do in not disclosing and or vetting any books/release of I formation in our future.
Is he a Hero...... Well they were a group of Highly trained SOF personnel that had a job to do. They killed an asshole that hated our way of life and our very existence. Do I think he was a hero No. He just did a job and did not do anything to make him stand out other than violating his team mates, SOF and the military trust in him to make money. He is trying to now use A PR campaign with sound bites to justify to the shepple that he did it to clarify what happened. I do not buy it.
He has a book deal a video game deal and is working on a movie deal. Those who are using him for all of those deals do ot care about him or his former teammates. They only worry about how much they will make. This Guy is clueless.
I hope they do go after him and all that are involved with him. We need an example to show that there are consequences if you violate you NDS you signed and swore to.
Doing a book the proper way is OK in my book and some others should be gone after also but I am not the king today so let's get this current one and try to put the teeth back into our system.
Sir, I agree with you. The key point here isn't the book itself, but the violation of the NDA.
Along those lines goes the breaking of a non written code of conduct with regards to present and past shipmates. There is a specific set of rules concerning the publication of one's involvement on past ops, training and endeavors of the like. Sanctioned ways. The violation of an NDA is not one of them. Others before have described their past experience as members of the military, may that be in an unconventional warfare capacity of not. Some complied with rules and regs, some others did not.
Looks like Mr. Bissonette just went for the big prize and now he's about to face the consequences of his deeds.
What he should be worried about, in my estimation, isn't really incarceration or a lawsuit. Rather, the loss of respect from former shipmates, from other members of the unconventional warfare community and from whoever believes in abiding by the rules.
To me, it looks like he'll soon be a persona non grata in many environments.
Sir, I agree with you. The key point here isn't the book itself, but the violation of the NDA.
Along those lines goes the breaking of a non written code of conduct with regards to present and past shipmates. There is a specific set of rules concerning the publication of one's involvement on past ops, training and endeavors of the like. Sanctioned ways. The violation of an NDA is not one of them. Others before have described their past experience as members of the military, may that be in an unconventional warfare capacity of not. Some complied with rules and regs, some others did not.
Looks like Mr. Bissonette just went for the big prize and now he's about to face the consequences of his deeds.
What he should be worried about, in my estimation, isn't really incarceration or a lawsuit. Rather, the loss of respect from former shipmates, from other members of the unconventional warfare community and from whoever believes in abiding by the rules.
To me, it looks like he'll soon be a persona non grata in many environments.
He is already PNG in the SEAL community. He has endangered himself, family and former team mates also. I am not against books being written but there is a place and time for them and a year later is not the time for this one. The enemy is out there and I guarantee that they have been working to find out who was on that mission. They want to kill the members who killed OBL and he has made their work easier. They are fanatics. The NDA is only one part of the issue.
Badger52
09-02-2012, 15:39
He is already PNG in the SEAL community. He has endangered himself, family and former team mates also. I am not against books being written but there is a place and time for them and a year later is not the time for this one. The enemy is out there and I guarantee that they have been working to find out who was on that mission. They want to kill the members who killed OBL and he has made their work easier. They are fanatics. The NDA is only one part of the issue.Precisely. No one needs to issue any fatwah or even fund TDY; the task is an implied one. They are ruthless & target fixated & he's jeopardized his family as well.
Dohhunter
09-05-2012, 07:28
His actions at penning the book aside, the outing of his real name is far worse on the list of 'nothing should be on this ****ing list'.
Utah Bob
09-05-2012, 08:36
Link to a 2 minute interview of the SEAL on 60 minutes.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/the-osama-bin-laden-raid-close-up/2012/08/30/03f3c196-f2a3-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_video.html
I pre-ordered my copy today,will be getting it around mid-september.
I'll be damned if I'll buy one!
I'll be damned if I'll buy one!
A friend of mine got his copy yesterday.He gave it to me and I just finished reading it.
Yesterday's DOD Press Briefing discussion of the matter.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=5107
Richard :munchin
miclo18d
09-06-2012, 08:56
Yesterday's DOD Press Briefing discussion of the matter.
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=5107
Richard :munchin
That article was, clear as mud.
...sensitive?...classified?...which?...common sense...sensitive and classified?...both...sensitive...possibly classified...explain the difference?...I couldn't have been be more clear...
The white page compared to PS.com hurt my eyes! I have a headache. :(
That article was, clear as mud.
...sensitive?...classified?...which?...common sense...sensitive and classified?...both...sensitive...possibly classified...explain the difference?...I couldn't have been be more clear...
The white page compared to PS.com hurt my eyes! I have a headache. :(
If they tell you what it is they will have to Kill you......:p
perdurabo
09-06-2012, 21:43
I read the book over the past couple nights and really enjoyed it as an outsider (non-QP). Seems like it probably violated quite a bit of OPSEC.
I would've enjoyed reading more about "Jen" and her team and their analysis skills, but yeah, that's not going to happen. In my mind it solidified my perception of the professionalism of everyone involved.
His actions at penning the book aside, the outing of his real name is far worse on the list of 'nothing should be on this ****ing list'.
You know if he did not violate the NDA he would not have been burnt. He made his bed and caused this situation. I do not want anything bad to happen to his family but he created the situation.
Ithe press has no Honor so I expected them to out him after they started the PR campaign.
Old Dog New Trick
09-06-2012, 22:36
I finished reading it today. I'm sure that those against it will always be against it, whether the timing of the release, or the description of tactics and equipment used. But I thought he did a good job of saying a lot without saying much of anything. Nothing in the book "would have" said anything the dimwits in the media and powers to be hadn't already said, and too much was already said - last year. All the people who "talked" talked after the event and Fox News did the ultimate sin - they connected a dot and it went viral.
It reads like a Tom Clancy action novel by a BTDT. I didn't see anything earth shattering or compromising (those who know, know you can find it all in an open source FM, and those that don't know still wouldn't understand it even with pictures.)
I'd say he just wrote a SEAL recruitment book for those on the fence.
It was professional, humble, and funny...capturing what many of us know but could never explain to an outsider.
If he has to forfeit all the royalties from the book, I think he would be fine with that. He truly sounds like he just wanted to correct the misinformation and tell his story about being a SEAL and about the biggest success in the WOT (that's debatable) and give credit where credit was due. He pays a lot of respect to his team mates and the SEAL mission. Nothing really political and keeps an even keel about HQ and the powers to be. "Just Another Dog and Pony Show"
I don't know how a book this important to history (current history) could have waited - enough - time to come out. He should have gone through the process but I doubt we would have had the same book had the DOD vetted it. I don't find anything wrong with what he said, glad he said it. The cloak of conspiracy should be lifted: UBL is dead, the bad guys still hate us and DEVGRU did it! :rolleyes:
ETA: (edit again, they just moved it) I don't know why SOCNET can't talk about the book without throwing the author under the bus, but I'm guessing there are some with petty differences and maybe closer to the author - bad blood now.
I have read a couple of article over the past couple of days about the author and his book. As far as the author goes, it is said that he wrote it, not because he had an ax to grind per se. But after the mission and he got home he decided he was getting out, and his team basically treated him like shit afterwards. That is when he decided to write the book. (I will try to find the article to post).
Secondly, yesterday I read another article that said the SEAL Foundation would accpet NO money from him as far as charitible contributions. He has pissed off his brothers, and at least that charity is not willing to have it's name connected with this book in any form, shape or fashion.
miclo18d
09-07-2012, 05:51
If they tell you what it is they will have to Kill you......:p
Cut my head off and put it in the team room safe with the dusty red side drives...oh shoot, did chief close the safe and sign the SF-701? That head in there is starting to smell funny! :D
Anybody remember this article? It was in the Sunday papers nationwide on 2, Aug 1981.
Those are B and C Company 1-7th guys with full flashes - MID guys with the recognition bars. The NCO above the word "Berets" is Jerry Infanger, the TmSgt for the C/1-7th PIG Team.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
2018commo
09-07-2012, 08:01
Anybody remember this article? It was in the Sunday papers nationwide on 2, Aug 1981.
Those are B and C Company 1-7th guys with full flashes - MID guys with the recognition bars. The NCO above the word "Berets" is Jerry Infanger, the TmSgt for the C/1-7th PIG Team.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
I actually have a copy!
Cut my head off and put it in the team room safe with the dusty red side drives...oh shoot, did chief close the safe and sign the SF-701? That head in there is starting to smell funny! :D
Just go to the 7-11 and get some of those little pine tree smelly things and it will be ok.
Old Dog New Trick
09-07-2012, 08:38
I have read a couple of article over the past couple of days about the author and his book. As far as the author goes, it is said that he wrote it, not because he had an ax to grind per se. But after the mission and he got home he decided he was getting out, and his team basically treated him like shit afterwards. That is when he decided to write the book. (I will try to find the article to post).
Secondly, yesterday I read another article that said the SEAL Foundation would accpet NO money from him as far as charitible contributions. He has pissed off his brothers, and at least that charity is not willing to have it's name connected with this book in any form, shape or fashion.
I read nothing like that in the book. He basically said he was burned out and tired of putting the Navy first and second, and his personal life and health third, time for the young guns to carry on. There was no animosity towards anyone in the military anywhere. Any bad blood is not coming from him unless in an interview, he's just been thrown under the bus, no wait, the "Speeding Train" as he puts it. He asked to get off and his command and team mates tried to keep him. The idea for the book came as a refute to all the politicians and former SEALs (Marcinko) taking credit and talking too much.
There is no direct mention of him donating to any specific charity only that he is donating a majority of the proceeds to charity. He asks others to make a sacrifice and donate or contribute time to veteren's organization. He lists three all related to Navy SEALs.
He also is not "retired" he just got out with 14-years, ten spent in combat rotations.
I read nothing like that in the book. He basically said he was burned out and tired of putting the Navy first and second, and his personal life and health third, time for the young guns to carry on. There was no animosity towards anyone in the military anywhere. Any bad blood is not coming from him unless in an interview, he's just been thrown under the bus, no wait, the "Speeding Train" as he puts it. He asked to get off and his command and team mates tried to keep him. The idea for the book came as a refute to all the politicians and former SEALs (Marcinko) taking credit and talking too much.
There is no direct mention of him donating to any specific charity only that he is donating a majority of the proceeds to charity. He asks others to make a sacrifice and donate or contribute time to veteren's organization. He lists three all related to Navy SEALs.
He also is not "retired" he just got out with 14-years, ten spent in combat rotations.
+1,I really liked your review of the book.From what I have seen all the QP's have shown a great deal of decency with regards to this matter.The media on the other hand has pounced upon this issue and created BS rumors like he was treated like shit by his own team.When I read about the experiences of the QPs on this board,it is impossible to believe an SF,SOF unit will treat their own like crap because he wants to leave after putting in a long time.
Stargazer
09-07-2012, 11:27
Your review and personal view pertaining to the book
Thank you for providing your insight. I am interested in reading the book and will after your review.
In all the years I have been a member on military community boards, I have heard it over and over... OPSEC / PERSEC and the importance. It is for this reason, I understand some of the concerns and criticism expressed towards this SEAL by his brothers. So much is at stake for individuals and our country. I guess what I don't fully understand, is the animosity and personal attacks prior to reading what is contained in the book. I believe any legal ramnifications will be his to bear, as they should be, if he violated the terms.
I can't help but wonder if he would have taken the same actions, if this administration had not already broken the cherry (to public after the mission and to movie industry for the film).
Old Dog New Trick
09-07-2012, 11:29
+1,I really liked your review of the book.From what I have seen all the QP's have shown a great deal of decency with regards to this matter.The media on the other hand has pounced upon this issue and created BS rumors like he was treated like shit by his own team.When I read about the experiences of the QPs on this board,it is impossible to believe an SF,SOF unit will treat their own like crap because he wants to leave after putting in a long time.
Just remember, it's only one side of the issue and it's his side in the book. I'm only trying to view this as someone less interested in the politics of it and more interested in the actions related to the history of this event.
Just remember, it's only one side of the issue and it's his side in the book. I'm only trying to view this as someone less interested in the politics of it and more interested in the actions related to the history of this event.
Yes,that is what the book is about-the men,the event and also how he was feeling throughout the op as an individual.
Please do correct me if I am wrong but I think politics and military never mix well.I believe the last thing you guys want is to be treated like celebrities,your work is way too serious for that.Its serious enough that is beyond the understanding of average folks like us and the media always ruins it when they portray it.
MountainMan35
09-09-2012, 17:09
Anyone plan on watching the 60 minutes interview tonight...
Anyone plan on watching the 60 minutes interview tonight...
I haven't watched, but have been listening while doing other things. And I feel some shame in doing so. I'll admit I was more interested in his attitude than waiting to see if he jumped further across the line than he already has.
He certainly must have just pissed off the EOD guy on his team. Told an anecdote about blowing up the chopper that made his team mate sound... less professional than I am certain he is. Gave credit to the perimeter team for the specific difficulties they faced, but IMO, he shared several key details that are meant to feed the mass media madness, and nothing more.
There is a little bit of axe grinding going on.
miclo18d
09-10-2012, 05:56
I waited to chime in on the actual book until I had read it. I missed the interview last night. I too have wondered about his motives and I don't think you are going to find them in the book. He tells the story and it is a fast easy read. Whether or not you agree with the writing of the book on the basis of "He's a professional" or "He signed a NDA", it has been written. Now the question is...did he violate OPSEC?
I have signed NDA's and none of them would prevent me from writing a book on my experiences. Two things, I would still have my book vetted AND I didn't go and shoot UBL. That being said I didn't see anything in the book that wasn't already open source and there were a lot of things we know about that he didn't mention in the book. Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know. I remember the days when you couldn't even mention the word JSOC, when you had to put on and take off your IR tape on the aircraft on infil and exfil, and the days when you couldn't talk about FAST roping, nowadays it's everyday vernacular.
I found one thing very interesting was that Adm McRaven was mentioned to be an awesome commander but very political in the book. Adm McRaven has been one of the biggest outspoken critics of "OPSEC" violations (and I'm sure this book) and yet he held a news conference where he was admonished by the former Delta boss for flapping his own gums. Even if you don't like that he wrote the book based on our community silence, he shouldn't be hunted down by our own. Many here have said he has become PNG within the community, isn't that enough?
Badger52
09-10-2012, 06:52
Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know.Timely. Good cue to remind folks that just because something becomes "open source" doesn't mean it was declassified 30 seconds after WaPo printed it, or it hit FB or your publisher wrote you a nice advance. Right, wrong or indifferent, classified is classified, applying as well to any handling instructions appended to UNCLAS.
I finished the book last night and it was a good read. I will not opine on OPSEC as my opinion is pretty much worthless. However my gut tells me the current administration would like to crucify this guy in order to divert attention away from the leaking and other nonsense that has gone on.
One interesting comment in the book that occurred at least twice - the author thought killing UBL would guaranty Obama was re-elected. I cannot say that I agree. He also said that none of the folks on the team were fans of Obama. They were pretty pissed about how the administration tried to take all the credit on the Somalia pirate incident.
bushmaster11
09-10-2012, 13:17
I DEROS'd in Dec '70 from MACVSOG SOACCN. I did not talk about nuts and bolts. I admitted that MACVSOG existed, using the official cover story. It was not until it was declassified for the Presidential Unit Citation did I tell my family and friends. Even though there had been some open source books.
J R sends
De Oppresso Liber
I waited to chime in on the actual book until I had read it. I missed the interview last night. I too have wondered about his motives and I don't think you are going to find them in the book. He tells the story and it is a fast easy read. Whether or not you agree with the writing of the book on the basis of "He's a professional" or "He signed a NDA", it has been written. Now the question is...did he violate OPSEC?
I have signed NDA's and none of them would prevent me from writing a book on my experiences. Two things, I would still have my book vetted AND I didn't go and shoot UBL. That being said I didn't see anything in the book that wasn't already open source and there were a lot of things we know about that he didn't mention in the book. Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know. I remember the days when you couldn't even mention the word JSOC, when you had to put on and take off your IR tape on the aircraft on infil and exfil, and the days when you couldn't talk about FAST roping, nowadays it's everyday vernacular.
I found one thing very interesting was that Adm McRaven was mentioned to be an awesome commander but very political in the book. Adm McRaven has been one of the biggest outspoken critics of "OPSEC" violations (and I'm sure this book) and yet he held a news conference where he was admonished by the former Delta boss for flapping his own gums. Even if you don't like that he wrote the book based on our community silence, he shouldn't be hunted down by our own. Many here have said he has become PNG within the community, isn't that enough?
Depends on the Scope of the NDA. I have signed some that stated very specific items.
He complemented many but understand that this was taped weeks ago before McRaven, DC, DOD etc started to jump on this.
perdurabo
09-11-2012, 14:13
He certainly must have just pissed off the EOD guy on his team. Told an anecdote about blowing up the chopper that made his team mate sound... less professional than I am certain he is.
I can see how it might look like he was portraying the EOD guy as a fool, but that wasn't my take-away at all. As the author stated in the book, due to the chaos of the operations, several elements were unaware the helo had crashed, including the EOD guy. It seemed more like the author was trying to relay a funny "had to be there" SNAFU story (on hindsight, as no one died).
miclo18d
09-13-2012, 07:51
Depends on the Scope of the NDA. I have signed some that stated very specific items.
He complemented many but understand that this was taped weeks ago before McRaven, DC, DOD etc started to jump on this.
I commented on that:
Even if it was all open source it would still depend on what his NDA said, which....we don't know.
My NDA's were general and specific. I know of one in my MPRC file that was a general NDA covering classified information and the other from the 18D course, very specific. I did CSSP back in the day but didn't sign a NDA; I STILL don't talk about that. I did one other course in SF that involved classified information but I didn't sign a NDA specifically for it, not that I would talk about that stuff either as well as many other things that I did or used in Afghanistan whether they are classified or not.
What I do NOT agree with is, an Admiral giving movie writers access to information about the raid and then turning around an condemning someone on the raid that wrote a book about the same information. I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.
Badger52
09-13-2012, 08:26
I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.Unfortunately that's an approach that has worked on large numbers of people throughout history.
The unnamed SEAL who referred to the VP telling bad jokes "like someone's drunken uncle at Christmas..." is probably waiting to be 'McChrystal'd'.
What I do NOT agree with is, an Admiral giving movie writers access to information about the raid and then turning around an condemning someone on the raid that wrote a book about the same information. I see the tentacles of the WH pushing for their version to reign supreme.
For all the saw Defense Secretary Leon Panetta appearance on CBS stating the difference is that every statement from the White House in the fence was on approval from the President. The SEAL didn't have any permission. So I take that as no matter if you sign any NDS as long as the President give the okay you can talk about anything to anyone.
http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?catid=57510270&feed_id=30&videofeed=null
Video (http://m.cbsnews.com/postwatch.rbml?pageType=video&cbsID=7396828)
...as long as the President give the okay you can talk about anything to anyone.
That pretty much sums it up and it has been that way regardless of which political flavor you ascribe to. Like it or not - life's not fair and in the Service it is even less so. Commander-in-Chief means Commander-in-Chief.
:(
miclo18d
09-13-2012, 18:29
Tell the truth about what you see and what you do. There is an army depending on us for correct information. You can lie all you please when you tell other folks about the Rangers, but don't never lie to a Ranger or officer.
This was one of Roger's Rangers Rules for Patrolling as I learned them. Come to find out they were fictional from North West Passage. What I understood from this one was that Rangers (SOF) were loyal to each other no matter what, especially when it came to reports. Squad leaders could be fired for giving a false report in Ranger batt when I was there. I grew up in that and have a loyalty to my Ranger and SF brothers...above politics for sure. My family comes first but I have always given Rgrs and SF an equality to my family! I know I could count on any of you guys if I REALLY needed help just as we are in support against the Giduck lawsuit.
If McRaven goes after this guy with anything more than the statements he has put out, then we know that his loyalties aren't necessarily with his brothers. I know that loyalty is a 2 way street but it shouldn't be a 2way KD range! I know that SOF is bigger than any one man but there has to be LOYALTY on both sides of the street and damned be the politicians.
mojaveman
09-14-2012, 15:41
Looks like (according to a couple of online news portals) the jihadist have gotten a hold of his photo as well...man, where does this end?
All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify and locate both he or his relatives. He's going to have his fame and fortune but is now going to have to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes for the rest of his life.
All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify....
You might have missed it, but at the beginning of the segment Scott Pelley said they spent over 4 hours altering Bissonnette's physical appearance. That's why his face/eyes/mouth did not move quite right when he spoke. They also said they altered his voice.
But I agree with you. Too many people know Bissonnette, and sooner or later a neighbor, ex-girlfriend, high school classmate, disgruntled teammate, someone will out Bissonnette. Hope it was worth it.
All they had to do was watch 60 Minutes. As I sat in my living room watching him be interviewed in full view by Scott Pelly all I could think of was how easy it now would be to identify and locate both he or his relatives. He's going to have his fame and fortune but is now going to have to look over his shoulder everywhere he goes for the rest of his life.As Mrs. Sharon Rogers could attest.
Skelepede
09-15-2012, 13:11
Not to mention that anyone who has ever signed a lease can be found on Spokeo, address, email, phone number.
I just go this via email this morning.
/\ /\ /\ I suppose we all got it, well DOD affiliated folks anyway....
Shoulda sent something like this to the administration also...ref all the stuff they've been spouting..
Dohhunter
09-24-2012, 08:48
I'm glad your government has given you guys permission to purchase the book :rolleyes:
aegisnavy
09-24-2012, 20:16
I just go this via email this morning.
Seems rather close to common sense, but something I suppose needed to be canonized.
Interesting photo that they dug up based on the book...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012/10/satellite-images-capture-cias-secret-bin-laden-training-facility/57771/
Built to rehearse the opn and then let the "demo students" blow it up for practice - good thing the IVORY COAST guys only had the Soviet satellites to worry about! ;)
Richard
miclo18d
10-10-2012, 05:02
I was thinking something along those same lines. I used to look at WWII pictures of camouflaging facilities and using magicians to create illusions, like making Alexandria harbor move.
It would seem they didn't even try here.
This christmas, you will have a choice of two movies, a music video and Jet Porkins to choose from:
1) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBilDzKLk
2) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYBCgV6a5kE
3) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFhFYoDAo4
4) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjG59xXkko
Embarrassed to say so but looking forward to 1 and 3.
This christmas, you will have a choice of two movies, a music video and Jet Porkins to choose from:
1) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcMBilDzKLk
2) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYBCgV6a5kE
3) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYFhFYoDAo4
4) Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OjG59xXkko
Embarrassed to say so but looking forward to 1 and 3.
In the first link some of the scene's which are depicting Pakistan look like they have been shot in some Indian city.
I will not be watching "Zero Dark Thirty" given that is made by the director of "Hurt Locker". I was pissed of with Kathryn Bigelow when I read about the SAS part in "Hurt Locker".
. I was pissed of with Kathryn Bigelow when I read about the SAS part in "Hurt Locker".
Why pissed with the SAS part? Just wondering.
They weren't PMC?
In the first link some of the scene's which are depicting Pakistan look like they have been shot in some Indian city.
Do agree about the indian city comment...much of the tribal areas/regions are messy, dusty and nothing as what they had potrayed but Abbottabad seems to be a cleaner, quieter city of sorts unlike other regions in Pakistan...but that's just what I have been told.Never been there myself.
Why pissed with the SAS part? Just wondering.
They weren't PMC?
Basically the fact that an SAS patrol is saved by EOD guys, it has been discussed in a few posts in this thread:
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24058&highlight=hurt+locker
Forgive me but I don't like it when the SAS or for that matter even USSOCOM(CAG and SF in particular) units are portrayed in this manner.
Do agree about the indian city comment...much of the tribal areas/regions are messy, dusty and nothing as what they had potrayed but Abbottabad seems to be a cleaner, quieter city of sorts unlike other regions in Pakistan...but that's just what I have been told.Never been there myself.
I just cross checked some sources and yes some parts of the film have been shot in India. The Paki's would go bonkers if this film would have been shot there, most Pakistani citizens are still pissed off about Op. Neptune Spear.
Basically the fact that an SAS patrol is saved by EOD guys, it has been discussed in a few posts in this thread:
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24058&highlight=hurt+locker
Forgive me but I don't like it when the SAS or for that matter even USSOCOM(CAG and SF in particular) units are portrayed in this manner.
You got the impression the SAS troopers didn't know what to do as one by one their guys went down...and the EOD team "takes over"..they had 2 vehicles..could they not have closed the distance between their location and the building where the snipers were operating from..
anyways...agree with you on this
And here's something new:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ7A1kh_Das&feature=g-u-u
I just cross checked some sources and yes some parts of the film have been shot in India. The Paki's would go bonkers if this film would have been shot there, most Pakistani citizens are still pissed off about Op. Neptune Spear.
Shot in Chandigarh in Punjab Province. Don't think the punjabis will be too happy their city is being used to depict a city in Pakistan...though I am sure they will be celebrating with a lot of whiskey that UBL is dead though.
And here's something new:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ7A1kh_Das&feature=g-u-u
Is that 'Owen' doing the tandem jump at 4:00?
Dozer523
10-31-2012, 06:09
URL satellite-images-capture-cias-secret-bin-laden-training-facility
Author wonders why the site wasn't preserved for historical significance. Me too. Add "Osama bi Laden, The Ride!" And we have a tourist attraction Six Flags would be jealous of.
It's interesting to go to Google Maps and look for interesting places. Sometimes they are have become snow covered fields.
DIYPatriot
11-17-2014, 13:56
This is about 1.5 weeks old. In light of The Shooter going public, I thought I'd share. I find irony in his opinion that it was his attorneys who tarnished his reputation and not his actions.
A former Navy SEAL who wrote a book describing the raid that killed Osama bin Laden sued his former lawyers Wednesday for malpractice, saying they gave him bad advice that tarnished his reputation, cost him his U.S. security clearance and caused him to surrender much of the book's income to the government.
Using the pseudonym "Mark Owen" that he published the book under, Matt Bissonnette filed the lawsuit in federal court in Manhattan. His 2012 book, "No Easy Day," prompted a Pentagon inquiry that evolved into a criminal probe by the Justice Department.
Bissonnette seeks unspecified compensatory damages, saying his losses will amount to at least $8 million after he agreed to surrender most of the book's proceeds. He said he also will lose consulting jobs, speaking engagements and future employment.
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Badger52
11-17-2014, 15:10
He said he also will lose consulting jobs, speaking engagements and future employment.Isn't that what 'scruff-face' said? Unfortunately that argument has legs now.
:rolleyes:
WarriorDiplomat
11-17-2014, 18:26
This is about 1.5 weeks old. In light of The Shooter going public, I thought I'd share. I find irony in his opinion that it was his attorneys who tarnished his reputation and not his actions.
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He is definitely trying to get paid no matter what.
Haven't read the book but have heard his interviews this guy wanted center stage for a supposedly humble guy in the book he seems to really want to be seen and known. But then again since Eric Haney wrote his book the tell all generation of soldiers since then have flourished. God knows plenty of QP's are seeking attention for every other mission.
I listened to No Easy Day as an audiobook. I was aware that there was controversy about it but didn't read much into it. Then I finished the whole book felt a little regret by purchasing it over better military books with better stories and no OPSEC violations.
As a civilian, I believe this book gave me sensitive information about how Seal Team 6 operates. I felt a little uncomfortable listening to certain parts of the book like going over verbal commands during practice raids and exposing the rules of engagement on handling UBL.
I think Mark Owen was also the guy who narrated all those video game trailers for the Medal of Honor game that revealed WAY too many details on how they operate. In those videos (which I will not link) Seal Team 6 guys revealed breaching options, where their sniper usually is, and infiltration methods. Hell, if I'm a terrorist and I'm lucky enough to spot their group before they spot me, I know who the team leader is now just by watching ST6 demonstrate on a YouTube video!
As interesting as this possibly classified information is, I will not listen or read into stuff like that anymore. By doing so I think I'm supporting and encouraging more OPSEC violations. I'm also getting annoyed by how arrogant some of these guys are. According to them in those dumb videos, only the "assaulters" who enter the rooms first in the ST6 team are the real deal. So I guess being in the U.S. military, being in S.O.F., being a SEAL, and being in DEVGRU isn't bad ass enough. Now they must separate themselves from the rest of THAT group. What's next, are the "assaulters" themselves going to be lone wolves and take all the credit for their team accomplishments? Oh wait...
:(
WarriorDiplomat
11-18-2014, 07:19
I'm also getting annoyed by how arrogant some of these guys are. According to them in those dumb videos, only the "assaulters" who enter the rooms first in the ST6 team are the real deal. So I guess being in the U.S. military, being in S.O.F., being a SEAL, and being in DEVGRU isn't bad ass enough. Now they must separate themselves from the rest of THAT group. What's next, are the "assaulters" themselves going to be lone wolves and take all the credit for their team accomplishments? Oh wait...
:(
All the lives lost all the groundwork, all the relationship building and intelligence gathering and all the battles that he was was not a part of. The operation itself was but a fraction of all the work that went into setting the stage to allow UBL to be killed, the mission only happened because of the work that went into.
To me when I see a high profile mission succeed I think of the hard work, missions, battles, endless hours of training given, the endless hours of rapport building and all the ingredients to set the climate it took to get to that one mission. Can you imagine people building a house from scratch and then after all the work and headaches one guy pounds the last nail into it and takes the credit.
Badger52
11-18-2014, 07:56
Can you imagine people building a house from scratch and then after all the work and headaches one guy pounds the last nail into it and takes the credit.That's a great analogy.
To paraphrase SSG Sal Giunta, I worry about this gentleman and I wish him peace.
That being said...
Far better men than Mr Bissonnette and Mr O'Neil have pinned on tridents and waded into harms way on behalf of the USA and her national interests.
Far better men than Mr Bissonnette and Mr O'Neil have donned their beret (whatever color your favorite beret might be) and left the wire to deliver Americas wrath to those who would do us harm
Far better men than Mr Bissonnette and Mr O'Neil have stepped forward to defend the nation against tyranny and evil.
Far better men have done their duty and accepted their fates without loosing sight of the fact that the nature of military service is "to serve". It saddens me that these men will never feel the true reward of serving for a cause. Instead, these men have turned themselves into little more than mercenaries in uniform that have demonstrated that they espouse the feeling that "we the people" owe them something extra for their service.
Good luck securing whatever you feel is your "fee" for serving our nation.
I hope the final price of your efforts is worth the honor that you have surrendered in your pursuit of treasure.
Golf1echo
11-19-2014, 08:16
I'm also getting annoyed by how arrogant some of these guys are. According to them in those dumb videos, only the "assaulters" who enter the rooms first in the ST6 team are the real deal. So I guess being in the U.S. military, being in S.O.F., being a SEAL, and being in DEVGRU isn't bad ass enough. Now they must separate themselves from the rest of THAT group. What's next, are the "assaulters" themselves going to be lone wolves and take all the credit for their team accomplishments? Oh wait...
:(
All the lives lost all the groundwork, all the relationship building and intelligence gathering and all the battles that he was was not a part of. The operation itself was but a fraction of all the work that went into setting the stage to allow UBL to be killed, the mission only happened because of the work that went into.
To me when I see a high profile mission succeed I think of the hard work, missions, battles, endless hours of training given, the endless hours of rapport building and all the ingredients to set the climate it took to get to that one mission. Can you imagine people building a house from scratch and then after all the work and headaches one guy pounds the last nail into it and takes the credit.
A lot of folks were involved perhaps going back as far as the 80's and it didn't occur to them to go ahead and plant the me flag as it was understood that would be counterproductive.
“There is no honor in seeking praise for doing that which is expected of you.”
― T.F. Hodge, From Within I Rise: Spiritual Triumph