View Full Version : ARIZONA Standing up to illegal obama mandates...
Team Sergeant
08-16-2012, 12:03
How do you like them apples barry!
Should have put Jan Brewer on the ticket with Romney, America would have "cleaned house" in less than four years..... ;)
Brewer blocks undocumented immigrants from receiving public benefits
Published August 16, 2012
FoxNews.com
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday ordered state agencies to deny driver's licenses and other public benefits to young illegal immigrants who obtain work authorizations under a new Obama administration policy.
In an executive order, Brewer said she was reaffirming the intent of current Arizona law denying taxpayer-funded public benefits and state identification to illegal immigrants.
Young illegal immigrants around the nation on Wednesday began the process of applying for federal work permits under the Obama administration's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals.
The federal policy defers deportations for that group if they meet certain criteria, including arrival in the United States before they turned 16 and no convictions for certain crimes.
After President Barack Obama announced the policy change in June, Brewer labeled it "backdoor amnesty" and political pandering by the Democratic president.
Arizona has been in the vanguard of states enacting laws against illegal immigration.
The U.S. Supreme Court in June overturned parts of the Arizona enforcement law known as SB1070 but ruled that a key provision on requiring police to ask people about their immigration status under certain circumstances can be implemented.
The Obama administration challenged that law in 2010 after Brewer signed it into law.
In the past decade, Arizona voters twice approved laws denying publicly funded services, such as in-state resident university tuition rates, to illegal immigrants unless mandated by the federal government.
Brewer's order said the policy's federal paperwork doesn't confer lawful status on illegal immigrants and won't entitle them to Arizona public benefits.
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mojaveman
08-16-2012, 13:56
Good for Jan Brewer. I wish we had a few more like her in California but then our state is something of another world compared to Arizona. It's a sinking ship that can't and won't be saved. I think I might just pack my bags and jump over that Colorado river.
How do you like them apples barry!
Should have put Jan Brewer on the ticket with Romney, America would have "cleaned house" in less than four years..... ;)
Brewer blocks undocumented immigrants from receiving public benefits
Published August 16, 2012
FoxNews.com
TS, the sad thing is, they'll just leave AZ and go to CA, NM or TX. Good for AZ, bad for the United States.
I wish our states would become more united on this mess....state-by-state policies are not the way to go. :( Squeeze here, the traffic goes there.......
Inflexible Six
08-16-2012, 15:02
Brewer said she was reaffirming the intent of current Arizona law denying taxpayer-funded public benefits and state identification to illegal immigrants.
Beautiful.
mark46th
08-16-2012, 15:54
"Should have put Jan Brewer on the ticket with Romney, America would have "cleaned house" in less than four years....." T.S.
That might alienate the Hispanic vote! All 3 of them...
I wish our states would become more united on this mess....
Agree, but this is a good start. Good on ya, Gov. Brewer!
Team Sergeant
08-16-2012, 17:46
TS, the sad thing is, they'll just leave AZ and go to CA, NM or TX. Good for AZ, bad for the United States.
I wish our states would become more united on this mess....state-by-state policies are not the way to go. :( Squeeze here, the traffic goes there.......
Maybe when enough people are fed up with the "illegal" activity we can start setting things straight again. I also agree Kalif is in a world of hurt and spending billions on illegals just might bankrupt that state.
Agree, but this is a good start. Good on ya, Gov. Brewer!
Damn fine start. Gov Brewer is a keeper....interesting that she was born in Hollywood and raised in LA. She's about as un-LaLaLand as you can get.
Maybe when enough people are fed up with the "illegal" activity we can start setting things straight again. I also agree Kalif is in a world of hurt and spending billions on illegals just might bankrupt that state.
I can't believe people are not fed up enough already. Honestly, I don't understand why the legal Mexicans, as a community, aren't fed up. The legal Mexicans I know say they're fed up, but it seems the agenda getting pushed at the national level does not match up.
I've lived/traveled in Asian countries where you'd get hung, shot, thrown in prison, caned, thrown on the next boat out if caught illegally entering their borders. They must all be racist.
Honestly, I don't understand why the legal Mexicans, as a community, aren't fed up. The legal Mexicans I know say they're fed up, but it seems the agenda getting pushed at the national level does not match up.IME, the tone of the national conversation about illegal immigration plays a role.
IMO, if those seeking immigration reform and better enforcement of existing laws were to focus their efforts more on the impact of illegal immigration and spend less time demonizing illegal immigrants, the political "buy in" would change.
My $0.02
TXGringo
08-16-2012, 21:04
IME, the tone of the national conversation about illegal immigration plays a role.
IMO, if those seeking immigration reform and better enforcement of existing laws were to focus their efforts more on the impact of illegal immigration and spend less time demonizing illegal immigrants, the political "buy in" would change.
My $0.02
Who's demonizing illegal immigrants? Honest question.
Only demonizing I read and hear about is the demonizing of those of us who want our laws to be acknowledged and respected.
Who's demonizing illegal immigrants? Honest question.
Only demonizing I read and hear about is the demonizing of those of us who want our laws to be acknowledged and respected.An example.
Politics, plain and simple. How can we get as many Hispanic votes as possible? Democrats don't have the social or fiscal conservatism (most Repubs don't either) to win over Hispanics, so they play the race card. Yes, our DMVs are a pain in the ass, but I doubt more so than any other state. The problem with DMVs is that you can't do much with them if you aint a legal citizen...This statement suggests that the historical experiences of Latinos in exercising their voting rights in Texas is unimportant to the discussion. Additionally, it implies that Latinos in general are more susceptible to crass political bribes and less capable of critical political analysis than other cohorts. The use of "Hispanics" is also problematic--it suggests that a large diverse community has a monolithic view of politics. Finally, using a singular experience in a state DMV to make broad generalizations about other end user experiences in other states discounts a variety of factors that can make interfacing with a state government go from being a PITA to being a profoundly stressful experience. Not everyone is comfortable saying "I'd like to speak to your manager," or "I'm having a hard time understanding this...could you please walk me through it again?"
A second example.Americans were doing that work long before the illegals showed up. One cohort is defined by nationality ("Americans"), another is defined by activity ("illegals"). This bifurcation discounts the possibility that Americans can work illegally --by manipulating time cards (including "buddy punching"), by stealing from the till, by falsifying paperwork, and so forth.
Surf n Turf
08-16-2012, 22:36
A second example.One cohort is defined by nationality ("Americans"), another is defined by activity ("illegals"). This bifurcation discounts the possibility that Americans can work illegally --by manipulating time cards (including "buddy punching"), by stealing from the till, by falsifying paperwork, and so forth.
What ?? How is this on topic
"I'm having a hard time understanding this...could you please walk me through it again?" :D
SnT
TXGringo
08-17-2012, 00:23
An example.
This statement suggests that the historical experiences of Latinos in exercising their voting rights in Texas is unimportant to the discussion. No it doesn't. Additionally, it implies that Latinos in general are more susceptible to crass political bribes and less capable of critical political analysis than other cohorts. No, it implies that Dims are more susceptible to making said crass political bribes. The use of "Hispanics" is also problematic--it suggests that a large diverse community has a monolithic view of politics. No, it implies that the Dims believe that this large diverse community has a monolithic view of politics. Finally, using a singular experience in a state DMV to make broad generalizations about other end user experiences in other states discounts a variety of factors that can make interfacing with a state government go from being a PITA to being a profoundly stressful experience. Not everyone is comfortable saying "I'd like to speak to your manager," or "I'm having a hard time understanding this...could you please walk me through it again?" Huh? This statement was made in reference to Voter ID laws. You missed the point.
A second example.One cohort is defined by nationality ("Americans"), another is defined by activity ("illegals"). This bifurcation discounts the possibility that Americans can work illegally --by manipulating time cards (including "buddy punching"), by stealing from the till, by falsifying paperwork, and so forth. Again, huh? One cohort is allowed by Law to work here, one isn't.
Neither of my statements that you quoted can be legitimately considered demonization of anyone. I'm not sure what your point in all that was.
Regardless, I assumed that you meant demonization by prominent figures of the GOP, not average Joes. Do you have any examples of prominent members of the GOP demonizing illegal immigrants? If not, then why hasn't the political "buy in" already changed?
An example.
A second example.One cohort is defined by nationality ("Americans"), another is defined by activity ("illegals"). This bifurcation discounts the possibility that Americans can work illegally --by manipulating time cards (including "buddy punching"), by stealing from the till, by falsifying paperwork, and so forth.
I think when you split that hair, you grabbed the wrong piece. It is generally legal for Americans to work in America (absent any obscure rare circumstances I'm not aware of). If it's not legal for someone to be in America, it's not legal for them to be there working.
It's legal for licensed drivers to drive in the US. However, it's illegal to drive when drunk. That statement does not "demonize" drunks.
One is not "working illegally" when committing violations of company policy, or if one breaks a law during work. One is "working illegally" if, in itself, a law precludes them from legally holding that job.
Had to grab the right side of that hair.
ZonieDiver
08-17-2012, 09:38
Governor Brewer's actions, without getting into whether I agree with the reason or not, are politics, plain and simple. She is term limited, and cannot run for governor again in 2014.
Like most politicians, she is probably not going to fade away and return to "civilian" life of a 9-5 job in her chosen field (which, long ago, was radiation technology). She's looking for another job, and will ride this pony til it drops... and (not unlike Sheriff Joe) find another one to ride.
She's not the ogre the left makes her out to be. She's not the heroine the right makes her out to be. Quite honestly, I don't think she is really the same person she was when she was a fairly good state legislator and a very good secretary of state (in AZ). She's gone 'bigtime' and likes it...and wants to stay at the party.
Where the hell are the Burton Barr's and "One-eyed Jack" Williams's of yesteryear, as well as the Lincoln Ragsdale's, Art Hamilton's, and Alfredo Gutierrez's - not the current Alfredo, the old one?
Neither of my statements that you quoted can be legitimately considered demonization of anyone. If you say so. (Do you call "illegals" "illegals" when they can hear you?)
I'm not sure what your point in all that was.
The point is to highlight that words mean different things to different groups of people. Each person gets to decide how much scrubbing he or she wants to do to limit the range of interpretations and to keep a statement on message. For some, such scrubbing constitutes bowing to "political correctness." For others, it is about differentiating between what one needs to say and what one wants to say.
Regardless, I assumed that you meant demonization by prominent figures of the GOP, not average Joes. Do you have any examples of prominent members of the GOP demonizing illegal immigrants? If not, then why hasn't the political "buy in" already changed?As we're going through a period where populism is in vogue and that the blogosphere is the preferred arena of political discourse, why would you make such an assumption?
TXGringo
08-17-2012, 14:06
If you say so. (Do you call "illegals" "illegals" when they can hear you?)
Nope. That's what first names are for. Just to be clear, calling an illegal an illegal is demonization?
As we're going through a period where populism is in vogue and that the blogosphere is the preferred arena of political discourse, why would you make such an assumption?
I don't read blogs. This thread was started to share and discuss the actions of a well-known GOP politician. When you respond to a comment about the agenda that's being pushed at the national level with a suggestion for "those seeking immigration reform," I assume you're talking about prominent political figures, members of the GOP in particular. If not, honest mistake on my part.