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Streck-Fu
08-14-2012, 07:39
...but then this could just be completely made up....

Killing Pablo, Part deux..LINK (http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2012/08/the-pentagon-mission-to-catch-el-chapo.html)
The Pentagon Mission: to Catch El Chapo. . . . or to Kill Him

Military sources in Mexico and the United States confirmed the existence of a plan to catch "Or Kill" El Chapo Guzman, prepared by the Pentagon and the Mexican government, proposed and accepted in principle by President Calderon. Virtually the same plan that led to the killing of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, the plan would be carried out exclusively by members of the United States Navy, with no intervention of the Mexican military or Mexican police. Only outright rejection from the high command of the Mexican military has denied the operation....But the Pentagon remains hopeful that the next administration will be open to accept it.


Given how difficult it's been to catch Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman, the U.S. government has prepared a plan to capture the drug kingpin, in an operation similar to that held in Pakistan last year in the assassination of Osama Bin Laden.

Military sources in Mexico and the U.S. confirm the existence of the plan, which was developed by the Pentagon several months ago and now is being held back because it is an operation that was designed with only Americans in mind, an idea that is not viewed with pleasure by their Mexican counterparts.

The plan was introduced to Felipe Calderon who promoted it among the armed forces. And although there was a sharp rejection by the Mexican Army and Navy, Washington has not thrown away the plan and propose to show it to the next Mexican president, Enrique Pena.

The plan exists upon an order from the Department of Defense and the U.S. Northern Command who have it considered as a priority mission, said a senior Mexican Army source, who by agreement is kept an anonymous.

The Pentagon is frustrated that the Mexican government has not been able to recapture Guzman Loera since his escape from the maximum security prison Puente Grande, in Jalisco, on January 2001 during the presidency of Vicente Fox. El Chapo has escaped at least six times from being captured, military sources have confirmed.

The most recent occurred last February in a seaside mansion in Los Cabos, Baja California Sur, one day after U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was on an official visit to Mexico. The information needed to capture the drug lord has been provided by U.S. agencies, primarily the DEA, so Mexico's "failed attempt" at capturing El Chapo has angered Washington.

For Mexico, the eventual U.S. military intervention of detaining El Chapo on Mexican land is "Very Risky," because in addition to a clear violation of Mexico's Constitution could also lead to all sorts of problems, said the military official. The proposed operation is in accordance with Mexico and was designed by military strategists of the special forces of the Department of Defense of the United States (the Pentagon).

The execution of the operation would be run by the Navy SEALs, a specially trained group consisting of navy commandos trained for covert actions in enemy territory by sea, air or land. The operation would be similar to the one accomplished in Pakistan (Capture or kill) Bin Laden, who was killed in his hideout in May 2011.

Special Forces helicopters reached the Muslim leader's bunker on the outskirts of Islamabad, near the Pakistani military academy. From the success of the Bin Laden operation, Calderon explained that the plan to stop El Chapo would be "simple, quick and precise".

In the mountains of Sinaloa, where Guzman Loera is known to go in and out at will, The plan states that capturing him would require a special seals team with the support of three digital high-tech drones operated by remote control and armed with missiles. Special forces would move in from Sinaloa and Durango in weapons armed helicopters. On reaching the target, two of the teams would remain with one on the ground and another in the air, backed by drones, to prevent any retaliation from Chapo's soldiers.

sinjefe
08-14-2012, 07:49
1. Mexico isn't Pakistan
2. The new administration is from the old guard "PRI" party. Already corruption allegations and this was their MO before: make peace with TCOs so as to reduce bloodshed (plus get paid off, additional "benny")
3. Mexican military WILL DO NOTHING until new admin comes in and tells them their way ahead for the next six years.
4. President Calderon could have liked it all he wants. Mexican constitution requires that he gain congressional approval of all foreign troops entering Mexico and for what reasons BEFORE they enter.

JJ_BPK
08-14-2012, 07:55
Here we go again..
:munchin:munchin

mark46th
08-14-2012, 08:13
Donde estan Los Pepes?

Inflexible Six
08-14-2012, 19:57
Donde estan Los Pepes?


Muertos o retirados.

ZonieDiver
08-14-2012, 20:06
Muertos o retirados.

Pues, es tiempo para Los Pepes Nuevos de Mexico! (O Los Estados Unidos??)

Dreadnought
08-14-2012, 21:14
Confusion of SF and SOF terms in the article? Also, potential misinformation/misdirection

Inflexible Six
08-15-2012, 09:06
Pues, es tiempo para Los Pepes Nuevos de Mexico! (O Los Estados Unidos??)

Count me in if I get to write the signs on the dead guys.

mark46th
08-15-2012, 12:52
Los leones nuevos de Mexico...

1stindoor
08-15-2012, 13:13
Jefe...would you say I had a plethora of support?

sinjefe
08-15-2012, 13:58
Support for???

CombatMuffin
08-16-2012, 11:19
1. Mexico isn't Pakistan
2. The new administration is from the old guard "PRI" party. Already corruption allegations and this was their MO before: make peace with TCOs so as to reduce bloodshed (plus get paid off, additional "benny")
3. Mexican military WILL DO NOTHING until new admin comes in and tells them their way ahead for the next six years.
4. President Calderon could have liked it all he wants. Mexican constitution requires that he gain congressional approval of all foreign troops entering Mexico and for what reasons BEFORE they enter.

Sir, I'd like to thank you for that observation. Not many people outside of Mexico (or in it) hit the nail as accurately and briefly as you have.

While I severely dislike Peña Nieto from a personal point of view, his party holds a majority seat in Congress now, and he vows to make General Oscar Naranjo an asset to fight TCO's (which means he might continue the fight). Whether he actually lives up to his word and fights the Cartels, is another story, and while I am by no means an expert in political sciences, his Party's track record and Mexico's political and cultural background makes me believe he is bluffing.

Like Escobar in his time, El Chapo enjoys a national perception of invincibility and impunity. The people seem to believe he is untouchable, and through this fear they actually make him so. While Mexico and Colombia have many, many similarities, they also hold important differences, too. I don't know if applying Colombia's strategy would work in Mexico, but maybe a scalpel directed at El Chapo is what is necessary when the institutions are corrupted to the degree they are in Mexico.

Inflexible Six
08-16-2012, 14:27
Los leones nuevos de Mexico...


Los hijos de mala leche...