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Team Sergeant
08-03-2012, 10:13
This really infuriates me, obama interfering with the laws the people of the United States have already put in place. We need to stand down some federal agencies and allow states to enforce federal law enacted by the "people". A law of the American people is a law that should be enforceable by any sworn officer, local, state or federal. If the feds continue to enforce only those laws they feel like enforcing or under orders from an incompetent or hostile administration then it's time to remove them from the job completely.

ICE Agents: Obama Won’t Let Us Arrest Illegals
By Todd Starnes

A veteran Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent is facing suspension after he refused to release an illegal immigrant who was not considered a priority target under the Obama Administration’s new immigration enforcement policies, according to documents provided exclusively to Fox News.

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“They’re punishing law enforcement officers who are just trying to uphold U.S. law,” said Chris Crane, president of the National ICE Council. Crane is a union representative acting on the unidentified officer’s behalf.

The officer under fire is an 18-year law enforcement and military veteran.

On March 27 he and another officer were conducting surveillance on a vehicle in Newark, Del. with plates that were registered to a criminal alien target. During the surveillance, they observed an individual get into the vehicle. The person was detained, questioned and taken to an ICE office so that his fingerprints could be run through a federal database.

The individual was not their criminal alien target. However, he was a 35-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico who had ten previous traffic violations – including driving without a license.

“The officer made the determination using prosecutorial discretion that he would charge (the suspect) as being in the United States illegally and let the judge sort it out,” Crane said.

“That’s our place in the universe,” he said. “We’re supposed to make arrests and let the judges and the legal system sort through the details.”

Instead, two supervising officers, including the acting field director, intervened and ordered the officer to release the illegal immigrant. The acting field director sat down with the illegal and explained that he was going to be let go because he was not a “presidential priority,” Crane said.

In essence, the supervising officers took on the role of a public defender.

“You had the supervisors intervening with the alien to assist the alien and counsel the alien on avoiding receiving a charging document,” he said.

The officer’s supervisors ordered the officer to release the illegal – an order the officer refused.

According to a “Notice of Proposed Suspension,” dated July 19, the officer “failed to follow these supervisory instructions, when you arrested a non-targeted alien who did not appear to meet any of the ICE priorities.”

A memorandum from Assistant Field Office Director David O’Neill, written the morning of the incident, reveals that the officers were told to release the subject even though he was in the country illegally.

The officer “became agitated and began to raise his voice and stated that he would not do as instructed,” O’Neill wrote in his memo.

As a result of disobeying the order to release a known criminal, the officer faces a three-day suspension and could ultimately lose his job and pension if he arrests another illegal not on the Obama administration’s priority list.

“They’re willing to take away their retirement, their job, their ability to support their families in favor of someone who is here illegally and violating our laws,” Crane told Fox News. “Right now (the Obama administration) is standing in the way of us enforcing the law by either taking a disciplinary action, threats of disciplinary action, or refusing to sign off on charging documents to put an illegal alien into immigration proceedings so a judge can sort it out.”

A spokesman for ICE told Fox News they will not discuss “ongoing personnel matters.”

“ICE officers are not disciplined for lawful arrests,” the spokesperson said. “They may, however, be subject to discipline for insubordination and failure to follow agency polices and directives, among other reasons.”

Ironically, the illegal alien in this particular incident was given better treatment than an American citizen would have been in similar circumstances.

A spokesman for the Newark Police Dept. told Fox News that if an American had been stopped on the same charges – they would have been put in jail. The spokesman said officers would have let the judge sort out the details.

Crane said that’s the way it used to be – until President Obama loosened restrictions on illegal immigrants.

“Our hands are tied much more than your average police officer,” Crane said. “Normally an officer would have made an arrest like this, processed him, put the paper work in front of the supervisor and they would have signed off on it.”

At the heart of the issue are significant changes announced in June by the Dept. of Homeland Security. The new rules outlined how younger illegal immigrants could stay in the country and gain work permits through the use of “prosecutorial discretion.”

Crane said agents in the field disputed the idea of prosecutorial discretion.

“This whole prosecutorial discretion thing is a big lie,” he said. “The administration is trying to say it gives us more flexibility to release people. It’s garbage. These are orders – very clear orders that you will release people.”

The policy allows for discretion involving individuals who have not been convicted of a “felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise poses a threat to national security or public safety; and is not above the age of thirty.”

The illegal immigrant in this case had 10 traffic violations and is 35-years-old.

And it’s not the first time that ICE agents have found themselves frustrated by Obama’s new policy. Last month an illegal immigrant injured an officer during an attempted escape in El Paso. Assaulting a federal officer is considered a federal crime. However, because the suspect was not a priority target, he was released without any criminal or immigration charges.

“We can’t do anything anymore under these new guidelines,” he added. “

As a result, he said, an 18-year law enforcement veteran has to pay the price — and somewhere in the nation, a 35-year-old illegal immigrant is driving on a roadway without a license.

“If a law enforcement officer can’t perform routine enforcement functions, what do we have a law enforcement agency for,” Crane wondered.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/exclusive-ice-agent-faces-suspension-for-arresting-illegal-alien.html

Dusty
08-03-2012, 10:26
He hates what America stands for, and the Constitution is an impediment to his plans.

1stindoor
08-03-2012, 12:17
Here's a "real world" example of second and third order effects of these decisions:

Almost two years ago my son turned left into oncoming traffic while he still had his learner's permit. I was in the passenger seat. We were broadsided by a lady that had locked up her brakes prior to hitting us. Definitely our fault...we didn't event try to offer an excuse...just chalk it up to inexperience. ANYHOWS....a second vehicle hit that vehicle...going about 45 MPH, never hit the brakes, just slammed into the lady that hit us.

Turns out that driver was an illegal, no license, no insurance, no ID, nada...teen Mexican with no "formal" driving education. Driving a "friends car"...also illegal by the way. My insurance goes through the roof, because not only do I have to pay for the car that hit us, but we also have to pay for the illegals car because, "if we didn't cause the accident...he wouldn't have hit her." I argued...quite unsuccessfully, that if he wasn't here illegally...he wouldn't have hit her either...AND...if he had any kind of training...he might have at least tried to hit the brakes, swerved, not followed so close, etc.

Finally, to add insult to injury...last time my insurance bill came in...the rates for "uninsured/underinsured motorist" went up.

The kid got a ticket for having no license.

greenberetTFS
08-03-2012, 12:29
He hates what America stands for, and the Constitution is an impediment to his plans.

I concur.........:mad: :mad: :mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

glebo
08-03-2012, 12:39
Here's a "real world" example of second and third order effects of these decisions:

Almost two years ago my son turned left into oncoming traffic while he still had his learner's permit. I was in the passenger seat. We were broadsided by a lady that had locked up her brakes prior to hitting us. Definitely our fault...we didn't event try to offer an excuse...just chalk it up to inexperience. ANYHOWS....a second vehicle hit that vehicle...going about 45 MPH, never hit the brakes, just slammed into the lady that hit us.

Turns out that driver was an illegal, no license, no insurance, no ID, nada...teen Mexican with no "formal" driving education. Driving a "friends car"...also illegal by the way. My insurance goes through the roof, because not only do I have to pay for the car that hit us, but we also have to pay for the illegals car because, "if we didn't cause the accident...he wouldn't have hit her." I argued...quite unsuccessfully, that if he wasn't here illegally...he wouldn't have hit her either...AND...if he had any kind of training...he might have at least tried to hit the brakes, swerved, not followed so close, etc.

Finally, to add insult to injury...last time my insurance bill came in...the rates for "uninsured/underinsured motorist" went up.

The kid got a ticket for having no license.

That's just so WRONG on so many levels...

I recall hearing that some countries, the foriegner is automatically at fault, there legally or illegally because they are a foreigner. If you weren't here...this wouldn't have happened....so..the foreigner is at fault..

incredible...

JimP
08-03-2012, 12:43
speaking with my brother in Mass., he laughs (and NOT in a funny way) about how the illegals don't bother getting licenses or insurance as when they are pulled over, they are just let go as it is too much paperwork for the locals to do anything with them and they are ultimately let go with no penalty anyways. If he or I even tried to speed in that god-awful state, we'd be ticketed and our insurance would sky-rocket.

Welcome to our country - 2012. Thanks Barry.

mojaveman
08-03-2012, 14:48
Here's a "real world" example of second and third order effects of these decisions:

Almost two years ago my son turned left into oncoming traffic while he still had his learner's permit. I was in the passenger seat. We were broadsided by a lady that had locked up her brakes prior to hitting us. Definitely our fault...we didn't event try to offer an excuse...just chalk it up to inexperience. ANYHOWS....a second vehicle hit that vehicle...going about 45 MPH, never hit the brakes, just slammed into the lady that hit us.

Turns out that driver was an illegal, no license, no insurance, no ID, nada...teen Mexican with no "formal" driving education. Driving a "friends car"...also illegal by the way. My insurance goes through the roof, because not only do I have to pay for the car that hit us, but we also have to pay for the illegals car because, "if we didn't cause the accident...he wouldn't have hit her." I argued...quite unsuccessfully, that if he wasn't here illegally...he wouldn't have hit her either...AND...if he had any kind of training...he might have at least tried to hit the brakes, swerved, not followed so close, etc.

Finally, to add insult to injury...last time my insurance bill came in...the rates for "uninsured/underinsured motorist" went up.

The kid got a ticket for having no license.

About ten years ago I was driving through town when a Mexican gal pulled out in front of me and I nailed her hard. No drivers license, insurance, registration or even ID on her part. All she did was have her kid who spoke some English apologize to me for her. It was totally her fault and she did extensive damage to my car. My insurance paid for it but then my rate went up substantially.

I really wish our government would get serious with this issue of illegal immmigration because they are ruining our country.

Smokin Joe
08-03-2012, 15:16
Here is another example of what failing to enforce already existing laws does... It kills our children...

The Sergeant referenced in this story is a good friend of mine. I have been involved in some bad situations and experienced lose before in my life but this one was just horrible.... truly the biggest tragedy is for a father to bury his son.

A 20-year-old Flagstaff man was killed just after 11 p.m. last night when an alleged drunk driver crossed into his lane on East Route 66 at a high rate-of-speed in front of the Norvel Owens Mortuary and caused a head-on collision.
The victim was identified by the Flagstaff Police Department as Kyle Wible, the son of a recently retired sergeant with the Coconino County Sheriff's Office.
Wible was taken to the Flagstaff Medical Center in serious condition where he later died from his injuries.
"The hearts of the men and women of the Coconino County Sheriff's Office go out to Sgt. Wible and his family for this terrible loss," said Gerry Blair, a spokesperson for the Sheriff's office. "We hope they can find some comfort in the love of others."
According to Flagstaff police, an officer was on patrol in the area when he noticed that a major accident had just occurred.
Witnesses said that the driver of the other vehicle, a large SUV, got out of his car and fled westbound on foot. Roberto A. Salamanca, 19, of Flagstaff was detained several blocks away.
Salamanca was brought to the Coconino County Jail on charges of manslaughter, aggravated assault, leaving a scene of an accident with serious physical injuries, extreme driving under the influence of alcohol and underage consumption.
Flagstaff police say the cause of the accident is still being investigated.


Read more: http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/year-old-flagstaff-man-killed-by-an-alleged-drunk-driver/article_0869a43c-cb5a-11e0-b4d2-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz22WIm4lqj

A Coconino County grand jury has indicted a young Flagstaff man for recklessly causing the death of another young Flagstaff man in a car crash on Aug. 19.

According to the indictment handed down Thursday, Roberto A. Salamanca, 19, is accused of manslaughter, DUI, extreme DUI, failing to remain at the scene of a collision involving serious injury or death, underage consumption and criminal damage.

Salamanca has six prior driving citations and did not have a valid driver's license on the day of the crash.

County jail officials said Salamanca was unable prove he resided in the United States legally. He will be turned over to U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement upon the resolution of his criminal case.

The crime of manslaughter is considered a Class 2 dangerous felony, punishable upon conviction by 7 to 21 years in prison, according to state statute.

According to police reports, the crash happened at about 11 p.m. on Aug. 19. An officer was driving past Norvel Owens Mortuary when he saw a large cloud of smoke on the north side of the road.

The officer tried to help Kyle Wible, 20, the son of a sheriff's office sergeant, who was still breathing. Wible was taken to Flagstaff Medical Center, where he was later pronounced dead.

Two witnesses to the crash reported that the driver of a Gold GMC Yukon passed at a high rate of speed -- 80 to 100 mph -- and lose control. The posted speed limit in the area is 40 mph. The SUV crashed head-on into Wible's two-door Nissan Sentra after crossing three lanes in the roadway. The driver ran away from the scene. An official estimate of the speed from the police accident reconstruction team is still pending.

dfirsty
08-03-2012, 16:16
ICE management is a joke. Most of the officers I deal with want to do their job but their hands are tied. With our new SB10-70 enforcement we have to call and verify immigration status on anyone arrested that we suspect may be illegal. Obviously if ICE tells us they are, they will have to come out and take custody of them.

This sounded ok to us until.... We found out that several agents have been relocated to other areas of the country where illegal immigration is a major problem and the phone lines may not be answered.

Great system and a big F U to Arizona and the new law.

Derek

Sigaba
08-03-2012, 16:20
In 2009, 33,808 people died due to traffic accidents in the United States. Of that number, 10,591 died in accidents in which a vehicle was speeding (source is here (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s1108.pdf)).

But then, maybe too much is being made of this issue. After all, the current president made traffic safety a priority for one whole month back in November 2011 <<LINK (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/11/30/presidential-proclamation-national-impaired-driving-prevention-month-201)>>.

MtnGoat
08-03-2012, 16:39
ICE Agents have been having thus for years. I have a family friends that its one and he says he couldn't arrest illegals like he could years ago. This was 5-6 years ago.

Yes it is a sad fact indeed.

Dusty
08-03-2012, 17:20
Undocumented Aliens = democrat votes.

MR2
08-03-2012, 18:44
Undocumented Aliens = democrat votes.

Documented Aliens = Democrat candidates

Dusty
08-03-2012, 18:48
Documented Aliens = Democrat candidates

The reason they're democrats is because they know their illegal buddies will skate.

s
08-04-2012, 11:59
You guys desperately need to get rid of barry ASAP...

MtnGoat
08-04-2012, 12:52
Documented Aliens = Democrat candidates

Yeah.. so true. President Ronald Reagan and the Republicans learned that the hard way. When President Ronald Reagan signed that bill into law with great fanfare from many Republicans to middle American's with promises that it would grant legal status to illegal immigrants (which it did give a free pass to millions), crack down on employers who hired illegal workers and secure the border once and for all. Instead, fraudulent process paid off many local level government workers, many employers continued their illicit hiring practices (which is one of the biggest issues now), and illegal immigration has now surged under Obama.

Nothing will stop unless rich and upper middle class stop hiring them as house workers and yawn and house service workers. No kid cuts grass nowadays it's the illegal driving illegally to make that extra $20.00 or people wanting someone that has "professional" written on the side of a 1987 truck. Businesses and employers will never stop using illegals because of the mighty DOLLAR.

AntMan
08-04-2012, 13:36
This sums it I think...

viper.51
08-04-2012, 14:14
When I am not activated full time I work in a ICE Facility in Batavia NY I can tell you I see it all the time and it infuriates me as well I cant stand doing court detail because I have to sit there and listen to all there bull!@#$ excuses on why they deserve every right that a legal citizen in this country deserves. I have seen the same detainees come in and spend 2-3 months in our facility, get Jpat transport back to their country and be back in our facility within 6mos and these are criminals that are caught dealng drugs with gang afiliation.....You have only hit the tip of the iceburge

viper.51
08-04-2012, 14:26
If you really want to get agrivated Ice has certain times a year they do round ups on the farms in new york , Cant speak for any other state but it just so happens to coincide with the harvest. Most of these illegals are mexican and jamacan. they all work under the table live on the farms in mobile homes. or houses built by the farmers. I live south of the city and drive by the farms on my way in and see the houses with 15-20 bicycles stacked along the side of the house. I say something to the agents in that district and they say yeah will will pick them up later in the year. But having said all this the problem truely stem in our own culture because no one in this country seems to be willing to do good old manual labor on our farms, everyone wants to make a tone of money doing as little as possible. How bout we get all the people on welfare and unemployment and bus them out to the farms. I bet you would see a drastic drop in both.

Inflexible Six
08-06-2012, 06:03
You guys desperately need to get rid of barry ASAP...


ASAP may be 2016. By that time Calderon himself might be a US citizen...and a Democrat.

Dusty
08-06-2012, 06:38
ASAP may be 2016.

Only through subterfuge by the dems or apathy/stupidity on the part of non-dems.

MR2
08-16-2012, 11:33
Actually Pres. Obama just did us a favor.

Think about it.

He illegally instituted a policy in violation of US law (which he should be impeached for).

Now all these illegals are signing up for a legal residency permit.

New administration comes in and revokes the permits, tells ICE to enforce the law, and they use all that name address info to "round 'em up".

Something so simple that Newt Gingrich must have thought it up!

I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

mojaveman
08-16-2012, 13:50
How ridiculous is it getting in California?

The police set up a checkpoint to catch drunks, non-licensed drivers, no registration, insurance, etc. One illegal finds out about it and then calls one of the local Spanish speaking radio stations. They then brodcast the location over the airwaves so the other illegals can avoid it. If they do get checked and don't have a license the police give them about twenty minutes to call someone with a license so that their car doesn't get impounded. Believe it or not, it's the liberal politicans and administrators who bow to pressure from the Mexican American community who allow this. This double standard has only been going on for about two years now but I think it is insane. It's like were just giving this country away and nobody cares anymore.