EPA blasted for requiring oil refiners to add type of fuel that's merely hypothetical

[BMT (RIP)]

Time for the EPA to walk the plank!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/regulation-requires-oil-refiners-use-millions-gallons-fuel-that-is-nonexistent/?test=latestnews

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[cbtengr]

http://www.agrimoney.com/news/ethanol-plant-closures-will-not-be-the-last--4665.html

The writing is on the wall,ethanol is not something you would want to invest in at this time. Unless its mandated and heavily subsidized no one is interested in it. The only thing green about green fuels is our tax dollars. And that goes for mythical green fuels as well.

[Badger52]

The writing is on the wall,ethanol is not something you would want to invest in at this time. Unless its mandated and heavily subsidized no one is interested in it.Ethanol already is heavily subsidized. When was the last time someone - any party - went thru the cornbelt during a political season and didn't genuflect to the very people receiving those subsidies, for something that costs more to produce than it saves? If ethanol (and its subsidies) went away tomorrow there would be some tears, but many parties thrown in other quarters. Amtrak & other stellar performers fall into the same category.

I need to continue to buy more solar panels before the "Fairness to the Companies I Bailed Out Act" 45% import tariff kicks in. As if that puts energy options into people's hands ('cause I don't see the CHICOMs being very charitable); you know who has to eat the price hike bullet.

ETA: This latest EPA drivel is just their piece of the Alinsky OPORD.

[rdret1]

What sense does this make? You would think that after seven years even the government would recognize that this is a stupid idea. As has been saud, the EPA needs to go!

[cant hardly]

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[echoes]

Read about this and decided to consult an expert.

Here is the reply of a 25+ year man, working in the industry. My Dad.

"My thoughts on Feds/vs Big Oil

Obama and Sullivan made hay while the sun was shining on the BP oil spill. BP continues to try to do the right things after this spill - 20 billion dollar fund, plus lots and lots of support in the gulf coast that I'm not completely up on, but the bottom line is BP didn't shirk or hide behind litigation curtains. When Congress had the execs up for hearings, Sullivan raked BP big buys over the coals. He had no respect for the hundreds of Amoco/BP retirees in his home Tulsa district, he just was following along with the current popularity of bashing the Brits, unaware that these Brits were paying the pensions of the former Tulsa Amoco employees.

With respect to environmental policies, Obama shut down the Gulf oil exporation trying to make points because of the spill. This hurt the Gulf businesses much more than the spill. Another environmental attack on oil exploration has been the bogus claims about fracturing. This is a techique employed in oil well drilling to fracture, or open up, deep well formations to allow gas and/or oil to flow more freely. The environmentalists, and the Obama Energy Department have lauched a war on this based on unfounded fears that this fracturing will increase occurrences of earthquakes, and will pollute ground water. Oil companies have had to endure increased government paper work and regulation to drill and fracture at these extreme depths. All this by the Obama administration just to please the radical environmental movement."

JMD'sHO,

Holly:munchin

[BOfH]

Speaking of ethanol, I just tossed a new weed eater because that green gas ate through the fuel line. :mad:

[Badger52]

Speaking of ethanol, I just tossed a new weed eater because that green gas ate through the fuel line. :mad:Local premier small-engine guy I know has a love/hate relationship with the stuff. He loves small engines & hates ethanol. Then again, his shop gets alot of $imple flu$hing of the fuel $y$tem jobs every spring because the stuff does what an alcohol does, acts as a dessicant and draws moisture out of the air, into your system. Humid periods of spring & summer are worst.

Besides the Sta-Bil that most people use, and not knocking it, the best thing you can do for your small engine is to find a place that sells gas that has no ethanol in it at all. Maybe someone has a blue monster 100-octane racing gas they sell to the local Friday nighters. Maybe you have to drive for it, but it's pennies difference in cost. Maybe your local airport has a simple taxi-up pump you can get some AVGAS from.

Do not put ethanol into your small engined whatever. You will be rewarded.

[VVVV]

Local premier small-engine guy I know has a love/hate relationship with the stuff. He loves small engines & hates ethanol. Then again, his shop gets alot of $imple flu$hing of the fuel $y$tem jobs every spring because the stuff does what an alcohol does, acts as a dessicant and draws moisture out of the air, into your system. Humid periods of spring & summer are worst.

Besides the Sta-Bil that most people use, and not knocking it, the best thing you can do for your small engine is to find a place that sells gas that has no ethanol in it at all. Maybe someone has a blue monster 100-octane racing gas they sell to the local Friday nighters. Maybe you have to drive for it, but it's pennies difference in cost. Maybe your local airport has a simple taxi-up pump you can get some AVGAS from.

Do not put ethanol into your small engined whatever. You will be rewarded.

A station here called "Racin Gas" sells it, it's labeled for "off road use only" and a few weeks ago was selling for over $8/gal. They sell regular gas for the lowest price around.

[The Reaper]

Do NOT put AVGAS, 110LL, 100/130, Racing Gas, or anything else not rated for highway use in your post 70s car.

The higher octane stuff used straight will burn a hole in your pistons, and most of the above stuff has lead in it, which will royally screw up your modern engine, sensors, and catalytic converter.

I have run very limited quantities of AVGAS in an older points and plugs Harley with an S&S carb when I couldn't get good premium, but we were very careful to mix it in the right proportions to make premium grade street gas out of it and I had no electronics or cats to worrry about the lead damaging.

You can safely run leaded gas in most small engines, but if you put a very high octane gas in it like the AVGAS or racing fuel, you will almost certainly hole a piston.

You may be able to find a marine grade gasoline, but you have to check for the lead and frankly, I think it will be sufficiently annoying to find and pump that you will just stick with the ETOH contaminated pump gas for your car. It might be worth it for a can for small engines, if you Sta-Bil it right away and use it up in a year or so.

The dye in the gas allows the DoT to determine if you are using highway taxed fuel. Let's just say that if they find you on the road running untaxed fuel, they will not like it and will cause you pain. That is why heating kerosene, construction/farm diesel, and home heating fuel oil are a different color from highway diesel.

Best of luck.

TR

[Sarski]

Local premier small-engine guy I know has a love/hate relationship with the stuff. He loves small engines & hates ethanol. Then again, his shop gets alot of $imple flu$hing of the fuel $y$tem jobs every spring because the stuff does what an alcohol does, acts as a dessicant and draws moisture out of the air, into your system. Humid periods of spring & summer are worst.

Do not put ethanol into your small engined whatever. You will be rewarded.

Or, one could just pull the fuel line after use, drain the tank, crank it and run it till it burns the residual fuel in the carb and engine, and let it sit w/o fuel in it till needed again. Takes about 20-30 seconds to do this. ;)

[BOfH]

Thanks all for the insight and advice, much appreciated :)

I am aware of alcohol's property as a desiccant, which is why you can't get %100 'shine. :D With regards to non-E10 fuel, unfortunately in the anti-energy, money green bastion of NYC, none can really be found. I have noticed that Lowes and HD have started carrying 32oz cans of premixed 40:1 and 50:1 non-E10 at a premium, O wasn't kidding when he said that "energy costs would skyrocket". :mad:

I swapped the busted weed eater(Bolens) for a slightly pricier Troy-Built at Lowes, we will see how this one holds up.

@Sarski: That is a good idea, I will look into draining it after each use.