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OK,, all you FOG's (Freak'n Old Goats) Listen up..
There is a time when your clock runs slower,, you become a FAG (former action guy) and you leave the risky shiite to the kids...
If you don't know when,, you become a statistic...
Three diving deaths in Keys in four days
KeysNet.com
A Tennessee woman died Sunday while scuba diving off Tavernier while a Venice, Fla., man died Saturday while snorkeling off Key Largo, says the Monroe County Sheriff's Office.
The two deaths made it three in four days on Keys waters, and apparently the fifth and six dive or snorkel deaths in Monroe County since the first year of the year.
Deputy Becky Herrin says that on Sunday, Anne Morey, 64, from Monterey, Tenn., was diving in a rock quarry in Tavernier with her 65-year-old husband, Robert.
Herrin says he told Deputy Matt Koval they got into the water together but he discovered he didn't have enough weight. His wife told him she would go ahead and dive to the bottom and wait for him there, Herrin said.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/06/04/2832220/three-diving-deaths-in-keys-in.html#storylink=cpy
Call Becky,, she has all the numbers, including the autopsies,, in living color...
Do you think I give a shiite?? :mad:
No I don't,, but it does affect my property values.. :munchin
Your grand kids might thank me??
I tend to think that as we get older we have more experience, understand the consequences of our actions (or anothers), compensate efficiently for that which we do not have (speed and strength for instance), and thus become smoother, and hopefully we get wiser in our choices, and how we make them and follow through.
It's that whole youth vs. wisdom thing. Practice makes perfect, and repitition makes for success in just about everything one can do, especially as we age...I tend to think.
I am sorry for the loss of life in the open water, but especially in the case of the SCUBA divers, they broke rule number one...never dive alone.
Even for twenty minutes. The buddy system may not have saved a life in this case, but we'll never know.:(
ZonieDiver
06-08-2012, 12:59
they broke rule number one...never dive alone.
Alas, Rule #1 is: Never hold your breath. (Though "Breathe continuously" would probably be better, if not as 'catchy'!)
As much as I appreciate the buddy system for most divers, there are cases where a well-intentioned, but poorly prepared buddy turned what would have been a diving fatality into a double fatality. In most instances, for most divers, a buddy is a very important part of conducting a "safe" dive. (So is actually listening to the dive briefing and following what is said - though so many don't do it!)
Most of my dives nowadays are 'solo' dives. Finding a reliable buddy (one who is adequately prepared and will SHOW UP) to dive the sites close to Phoenix (one friend calls me a "mudhole diver"), is next to impossible - especially with the short notice I usually have. Therefore - dive alone or don't dive. I'll dive alone. However, I modify my dive profile and have well-maintained, redundant systems... and a shit-load of knives!
The first seven dives I ever made were solo - at the age of 12. My first ocean dive, at the age of 15 at Sandy Beach, Rocky Point, Sonora, Mexico was solo. Well over 1/3 of my dives are solo. As an instructor - with no divemaster support - and two or three students in the water, it is WORSE than diving alone. (The chances that something may go wrong have vastly multiplied, and the odds that someone can assist you are drastically reduced.)
Preparation - through physical fitness, evaluations by a qualified medical professional*, training, experience, proper equipment that is well-maintained, and a good attitude are what is paramount in limiting diving accidents/fatalities. I'd say 'elminating', but that isn't right because "shit happens"!
I'd venture a guess that the three older divers died as a result of cardiac events, or that they at least played into their demise. (If Becky is a good-looking, somewhat older, hetero or bi female... I may give her a call. Armed women in uniform are a turn-on! :D)
Diving is one of the few activities that is akin to going into space. We delve into an environment in which humans were not designed to live. Most people approach it (in large part because that is how it is sold today in most cases) as if it is 'no big deal'.
I regret their deaths. It makes diving look bad, is hard on people who have to recover their bodies or attempt to do CPR, and hurts JJ's property values! :p
MOO/YMMV
* I've had real, live medical doctors conduct exams on students with asthma and then send me a note stating that the student was "okay to dive, but not below 30 feet"!
greenberetTFS
06-08-2012, 13:33
Alas, Rule #1 is: Never hold your breath. (Though "Breathe continuously" would probably be better, if not as 'catchy'!)
As much as I appreciate the buddy system for most divers, there are cases where a well-intentioned, but poorly prepared buddy turned what would have been a diving fatality into a double fatality. In most instances, for most divers, a buddy is a very important part of conducting a "safe" dive. (So is actually listening to the dive briefing and following what is said - though so many don't do it!)
Most of my dives nowadays are 'solo' dives. Finding a reliable buddy (one who is adequately prepared and will SHOW UP) to dive the sites close to Phoenix (one friend calls me a "mudhole diver"), is next to impossible - especially with the short notice I usually have. Therefore - dive alone or don't dive. I'll dive alone. However, I modify my dive profile and have well-maintained, redundant systems... and a shit-load of knives!
The first seven dives I ever made were solo - at the age of 12. My first ocean dive, at the age of 15 at Sandy Beach, Rocky Point, Sonora, Mexico was solo. Well, over 1/3 of my dives are solo. As an instructor - with no divemaster support - and two or three students in the water, it is WORSE than diving alone. (The chances that something may go wrong have vastly multiplied, and the odds that someone can assist you are drastically reduced.)
Preparation - through physical fitness, evaluations by a qualified medical professional*, training, experience, proper equipment that is well-maintained, and a good attitude are what is paramount in limiting diving accidents/fatalities. I'd say 'elminating', but that isn't right because "shit happens"!
I'd venture a guess that the three older divers died as a result of cardiac events, or that they at least played into their demise. (If Becky is a good-looking, somewhat older, hetero or bi female... I may give her a call. Armed women in uniform are a turn-on!
Diving is one of the few activities that is akin to going into space. We delve into an environment in which humans were not designed to live. Most people approach it (in large part because that is how it is sold today in most cases) as if it is 'no big deal'.
I regret their deaths. It makes diving look bad, is hard on people who have to recover their bodies or attempt to do CPR, and hurts JJ's property values!
MOO/YMMV
* I've had real, live medical doctors conduct exams on students with asthma and then send me a note stating that the student was "okay to dive, but not below 30 feet"!
Really rather informative,an instructor huh......:D Don't tell anyone but I just barely passed my swimming test,in fact to be truthful I was sorta given a break by the instructor....;) That's something I really tried to get better at but didn't,that's also another reason I stuck with Hockey........:p
Big Teddy :munchin
ZonieDiver
06-08-2012, 13:47
That's something I really tried to get better at but didn't,that's also another reason I stuck with Hockey
It's a good thing the ice never melted!:D
Absolutely, ZonieDiver. There are always exceptions to the rule, choices we make, and mitgating circumstances. Sandy Beach is one of my favorite body surfing beaches. And I have swam in shark infested bays and harbors solo, and next to nil visibility. Life is about doing what you love to do, and at times we take chances in doing so.
Once Sandys was flat, I went around to Makapu'u, and it was flat. I thought I'd get some climbing practice in, and decided to scale up to the lighthouse, from the beach. I made it...but almost fell off twice. I had no idea how brittle the rock was out there (versus say California). At one point I had to back track a bit and find another way to the top. 432 feet, no ropes (not sure if you can use ropes in lava rock), and despite the larger than life scare, I enjoyed the climb. It is not something high on my list to do again, as I much prefer solid granite.
Your first dives at twelve, and diving ever since, it must be natural to you, something you have done plenty of times, no doubt. Practice makes perfect and repitition brings success.
I don't mean to sound like I am lecturing, QP, as these are just my own views, and a story about myself, but even under the best conditions small things that go wrong can become big things for those who do not practice and/or maintain proficiency.
I understand your point that a dive buddy will more than likely slow you down, or get in the way, or become a liability. I don't think a majority of rec divers fall into that category.
:)
* I've had real, live medical doctors conduct exams on students with asthma and then send me a note stating that the student was "okay to dive, but not below 30 feet"!
You too ??? I just loved getting those "notes" and telling the person that they can't become "Open Water Divers", but they can become "Scuba Divers".
After explaining to them what the difference is between the two, most would storm out in a huff, while the others would take the class, do their 2 dives, get their card, while all the while I knew in the back of my head, that they'll go off and dive with their S.O. past 30 feet.
.... and I agree with on the fact that those divers that are lowering JJ's property value, probably died from cardiac issues.
Well, we can look at it this way .... just means more AIR for the rest of us. ;)
Utah Bob
06-08-2012, 15:37
Well, we can look at it this way .... just means more AIR for the rest of us. ;)
And maybe shorter lines at the dive shop waiting for air.:D
greenberetTFS
06-08-2012, 15:56
It's a good thing the ice never melted!:D
You know your almost in Dusty and Dozer's "smart-ass" league...... :rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
ZonieDiver
06-08-2012, 15:58
You know your almost in Dusty and Dozer's "smart-ass" league...... :rolleyes:
Big Teddy :munchin
That's head-swelling company right there! :D
Of course, "close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades... oh, and small atomic demolitions! :p