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Gypsy
06-05-2012, 20:29
He beat back the recall vote. IMO this is a huge win, second in importance to the vote for POTUS come November. And a blow to the unions.

Congrats.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2012/06/wisconsin_gov_scott_walker_sur.html

MADISON, Wis. — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker beat back a recall challenge Tuesday, winning both the right to finish his term and a voter endorsement of his strategy to curb state spending, which included the explosive measure that eliminated union rights for most public workers.

The rising Republican star becomes the first governor in U.S. history to survive a recall attempt by defeating Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett and the union leaders who rallied for months against his agenda.

Democrats and organized labor spent millions to oust Walker, but found themselves hopelessly outspent by Republicans from across the country who donated record-setting sums to Walker. Republicans hope the victory carries over into November and that their get-out-the-vote effort can help Mitt Romney become the first GOP nominee to carry the state since Ronald Reagan in 1984.

The recall was a rematch of the 2010 governor's race. Throughout the campaign, Walker maintained his policies set the state on the right economic track. Defeat, he said, would keep other politicians from undertaking such bold moves in the future.

"We're headed in the right direction," Walker said many times. "We're turning things around. We're moving Wisconsin forward."

Barrett repeatedly accused Walker of neglecting the needs of the state in the interests of furthering his own political career by making Wisconsin "the tea party capital of the country." He said Walker had instigated a political civil war in Wisconsin that could be quelled only by a change in leadership.

"I will end this civil war," Barrett promised in a debate. "That is something the people of this state want."

Walker ascended into the national spotlight last year when he surprised the state and unveiled plans to plug a $3.6 billion budget shortfall in part by taking away the union rights of most public workers and requiring them to pay more for their health insurance and pension benefits. It was one of his first moves in office.

Democrats and labor leaders saw it as a political tactic designed to gut the power of his political opposition. State Senate Democrats left Wisconsin for three weeks in a sort of filibuster, as tens of thousands of teachers, state workers and others rallied at the Capitol in protest.

But the tea-party supported fiscal conservative remained steadfast: Walker believed his plan would help him control the state budget, and his opponents could not stop Republicans who control the state Legislature from approving his plans.

Walker went on to sign into law several other measures that fueled calls for a recall, including repealing a law giving discrimination victims more ways to sue for damages, making deep cuts to public schools and higher education, and requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls.

Both sides mobilized thousands of people and millions of dollars to influence voters, whom polls showed were more divided than ever. Signs calling for Walker's removal and those supporting the 44-year-old son of a minister dotted the state's landscape all spring at a time normally devoid of political contests.

Turnout was strong across the state with few problems reported as some voters waited in line to cast their ballots.

"Typically we wait until 5 in the afternoon, but we were chomping at the bit to just get it over and done with because I think it has been an unjust campaign waged against the governor," said Jeff Naunheim, a warranty analyst from St. Francis who voted for Walker first thing Tuesday.

Naunheim said the recall was a waste of money.

"I think the Wisconsin voters voted in 2010 to vote Walker in," he said. "I don't think he did anything illegal."

Barrett supporter Lisa Switzer of Sun Prairie said Walker went too far.

"Even if it doesn't turn out the way we want it to, it proves a point," said Switzer, an occupational therapist and single mother on BadgerCare, the state's health insurance program for the working poor. "People in Wisconsin aren't just going to stand by and let a governor take over the state and cut social services."

More than $66 million was spent on the race as of May 21, making it easily the most expensive in Wisconsin history. That money was spent on an all-out barrage of television ads, direct mail, automated calls and other advertising that permeated the state for months.

Walker used the recall to raise millions from conservative donors and bolster his own political fame in the face of the fight. National GOP groups, including Americans for Prosperity and the Republican Governors Association, poured money into the contest.

Unions got behind the recall drive, which started with the collection of more than 900,000 signatures over two months to force the vote. Barrett defeated the union-favored candidate in the Democratic primary in May and then tried to use that to his advantage, while also courting union support. He pledged to call a special legislative session to restore the collective bargaining rights Walker took away.

Also Tuesday, Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch and three Republican state senators also faced recall elections, and a fourth open Senate seat was also to be filled. Democrats hoped to win at least one of the Senate seats, which would give them a majority at least through the end of the year.

The recall also focused as much on his record creating jobs as on the divisive union proposal. Walker promised in 2010 to create 250,000 jobs over four years as governor, and just how many jobs were created under Walker was a major point of contention. Walker relied on new data showing the state added about 23,000 jobs in 2011, while a different survey that Barrett favored found the state had lost about 34,000.

Walker expressed no remorse during the campaign, saying he was sticking with his convictions. "I'm not afraid to lose," he said during a May interview with The Associated Press. "I plan to win, I'm running to win, but I'm not afraid to lose to do the right thing."

But that doesn't mean the public will see a changed Walker after the recall.

"I still think people elected me before in November 2010 and they'll elect me again because they want me to fix things," Walker said in the interview. "They want me to keep the focus and attention on fixing things. We're just going to make sure we've got a more comprehensive and inclusive process to get there."

-- The Associated Press

afchic
06-05-2012, 20:32
And it looks like it is going to be a clobbering.

Lt Gov wins as well with just as large of a margin.

I hope it truly is a trouncing; right now it is about 50% in and and 18 point margin.

Gypsy
06-05-2012, 20:38
Agree afchic, so far it looks like a good trouncing.

Of course there is some Dem on Fox now blathering on about how Racine hasn't had all their votes counted. And the margin will be close. Uh huh.

56% reporting in and Walker is at 57% to Barrett's 42%.

The Reaper
06-05-2012, 20:51
Great job by Gov. Walker and the conservatives in Wisconsin.

Not a good night for government unions. Most people do not support the exorbitant benefits and generous retirement plans which are bankrupting the states on the backs of the taxpayers.

Shot across the bow of the Dims and the POTUS.

Generically, the reelection of the POTUS is no longer a nearly sure thing, the Democratic party has got to realize that they do not enjoy overwhelming popular support, are going to have to spend huge amounts of money in states they thought were safe, and the Congresscritters who are not representing their constituents better realize they are on notice. If this continues to go off like 2010, we could see both houses and the presidency Republican dominated.

If you thought there was mudslinging, government endorsed voter fraud, and class warfare already, you ain't seen nothing yet. As long as Hillary stays out of it, things are looking pretty good.

Well done, Wisconsin.

TR

Rumblyguts
06-05-2012, 21:32
It never was about unions for me. It was the fact that he refused to talk to dems, ruled like a dictator*, and trying to figure out how to teach more students in one classroom to new state standards with diminished budgets, while trying to meet probable merit retention policies.

From a teacher's angle, it seems that I'm one of the few who would be willing to work more days for the same pay rather than cram the everything (testing, curriculum development, numbers tracking, etc.) into a standard academic year.

From a parent's standpoint, I would despise having my kid in more schooling and would look into homeschooling. A kid needs time to be a kid.

I'm OK with being a unionless civil servant. I just think the guy is slimier than a slug (unofficial email network scandal) and trust him as much as an morbidly obese nutritionist.

I just wish the dems weren't so socialistic and had a better candidate.

*and the dems acted like babies

Not sure if the post made sense, but I hate the way this was about unions and Democrats vs. Republican rather than character. Politics...whatcha gonna do :mad:

Remington Raidr
06-06-2012, 03:14
It never was about unions for me. It was the fact that he refused to talk to dems, ruled like a dictator*, and trying to figure out how to teach more students in one classroom to new state standards with diminished budgets, while trying to meet probable merit retention policies.

From a teacher's angle, it seems that I'm one of the few who would be willing to work more days for the same pay rather than cram the everything (testing, curriculum development, numbers tracking, etc.) into a standard academic year.

From a parent's standpoint, I would despise having my kid in more schooling and would look into homeschooling. A kid needs time to be a kid.

I'm OK with being a unionless civil servant. I just think the guy is slimier than a slug (unofficial email network scandal) and trust him as much as an morbidly obese nutritionist.

I just wish the dems weren't so socialistic and had a better candidate.

*and the dems acted like babies

Not sure if the post made sense, but I hate the way this was about unions and Democrats vs. Republican rather than character. Politics...whatcha gonna do :mad:

This was ALL about the financial power of the PUBLIC UNIONS (not the individual union members) to logroll politcal power and influence with the democratic machine (requiring school districts to buy health insurance from WEA trust at WELL ABOVE market rates so that the money could be kicked back to the dems, and that's just one thing). I am glad you have a higher opinion of supposedly professional teachers missing work and using FAKE sick slips to stand around in a circle pounding drums and reliving those heady hippy Nam days in Mad City, and STILL GET PAID by the taxpayers. Yah, that's not slimy.

It was kinda funny, as time went by, how the Dems just STOPPED talking about collective bargaining rights and went with everything else, including a last-minute love-child of Walker. Talk about SLIME!.

No worries. Da unions bussed in a lot of UAW types from MI, on the payroll to vote in Racine, dims by a narrow margin so they control the Senate . . . until the next election or recount. By then, you might actually have to present a valid ID to vote, which will crimp the demo playbook.

Keep hope alive, brother. Johnny Friendly is wounded, but HE AINT DEAD YET! Youse all HEAR DAT!!:rolleyes:

BMT (RIP)
06-06-2012, 04:57
From a teacher's angle, it seems that I'm one of the few who would be willing to work more days for the same pay rather than cram the everything (testing, curriculum development, numbers tracking, etc.) into a standard academic year.

1. How many test in a grading period?
2. Don't you use the same text book all year?
3. Explain numbers tracking.
4. How many days in the school year in WI ?

LYB and I graduated 5 years apart.
Those 5 years there were major changes in the curriculum!!
None for the better!!

BMT

Dusty
06-06-2012, 05:49
Romney landslide coming, provided a fair election takes place.

Maybe even electorally.

afchic
06-06-2012, 07:13
It never was about unions for me. It was the fact that he refused to talk to dems, ruled like a dictator*, and trying to figure out how to teach more students in one classroom to new state standards with diminished budgets, while trying to meet probable merit retention policies.

From a teacher's angle, it seems that I'm one of the few who would be willing to work more days for the same pay rather than cram the everything (testing, curriculum development, numbers tracking, etc.) into a standard academic year.

From a parent's standpoint, I would despise having my kid in more schooling and would look into homeschooling. A kid needs time to be a kid.

I'm OK with being a unionless civil servant. I just think the guy is slimier than a slug (unofficial email network scandal) and trust him as much as an morbidly obese nutritionist.

I just wish the dems weren't so socialistic and had a better candidate.

*and the dems acted like babies

Not sure if the post made sense, but I hate the way this was about unions and Democrats vs. Republican rather than character. Politics...whatcha gonna do :mad:

Refused to talk to Dems huh? I guess you have no problem with the Dem senators hightailing it to IL so they couldn't be forced to vote. That's not slimy at all.:rolleyes:

I love how last night all the Dem talking heads, and now you, are trying to throw in the email scandal. Correct me if I am wrong. but nothing has been linked to Walker, he is not under indictment, and all the Dems think that because he is setting up a defense fund he must be dirty. Whatever....

No mention of how Barrett falsified how they tracked criminal behavior in Milwalkee to make it look like he has been "tough on crime".

No credit given to the Gov for lowering property tax rates for the first time in how many years? Or the fact that WI saw 30,000 private jobs added during this year and a half thanks to his work.

Don't even get me started on the teachers. The only thing the teachers that showed up at the State Capital taught their students was how to lie and manipulate to get what you want, all the while not having to worry about consequences of your actions. Yeah that is the kind of teacher I want for my kid.:mad:

MR2
06-06-2012, 07:26
The group American Future Fund has come out with a scathing and telling ad showing how important liberals such as Rachel Maddow, Michael Moore, and Russ Feingold thought the election was before Tuesday’s results. It cleverly opens with the question, “Do you recall?”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/flashback-scathing-new-ad-uses-maddow-and-michael-moore-to-remind-how-important-recall-election-was/

Badger52
06-06-2012, 13:30
.... and Russ Feingold thought...There was even talk from some about how the recall would've been better if someone could've coalesced the left, like Russ (I'm)Fein(spending your)gold. He's so well thought of he was voted out of his long-standing US Senate seat last time and replaced with a Republican rookie.
:rolleyes:


It might be nice if a Moderator could merge this with the other thread here:

http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38216

AngelsSix
06-06-2012, 19:56
Good for you, WI! The unit I retired from was originally from WI, I found it interesting to be around people from "up North" again after having been in the South so long. Most of the folks that came here from WI were looking for that change, for a better way to do things and they found it in Scott Walker. Good for them! :lifter

Dusty
06-06-2012, 20:01
What's with all the exit polls from last night giving Obama a lead?

F.cking imbeciles evidently believe what they want to regardless of the veracity.

Paslode
06-06-2012, 20:15
What's with all the exit polls from last night giving Obama a lead

The idea is, if you say it enough times people will believe it.

Dusty
06-06-2012, 20:26
The idea is, if you say it enough times people will believe it.

Understood, but what kind of idiot can't put two and two together on the inaccuracy of the polling?

Oh, yeah. Obamanauts.

The Reaper
06-06-2012, 21:12
What's with all the exit polls from last night giving Obama a lead?

F.cking imbeciles evidently believe what they want to regardless of the veracity.

They are the same ones that had the recall election tied, so minus about seven points from the Dims.

"Weighting" probably.

TR

GratefulCitizen
06-06-2012, 21:45
What's with all the exit polls from last night giving Obama a lead?

F.cking imbeciles evidently believe what they want to regardless of the veracity.

First theory:

They're liberals.
They don't understand cause and effect.

Normally, an exit poll draws a random sample.
This would yield an estimate.

The estimate is an effect.
The actual vote is a cause.

The libs think they can work backwards and by changing the effect, they can change the cause.
So, liberals rush the exit polls which skews the sample so it is no longer "random" and doesn't yield an accurate estimate.


Second theory:

They are deliberately skewing the exit polls.
This way, if it's close and they lose, they can cry foul and make election fraud accusations.


Probably a combination of both theories.
Theory 1 is fed by ignorant liberals (useful idiots) and theory 2 is a plan of evil liberals (taking advantage of theory 1).

Dusty
06-07-2012, 07:10
They're liberals.
They are deliberately skewing the exit polls.
This way, if it's close and they lose, they can cry foul and make election fraud accusations.



I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this won't happen in November due to the margin of loss for the New Party candidate.

Badger52
06-07-2012, 07:49
4. How many days in the school year in WI ?Not as many as it seems there used to be. In addition to not going back till after Labor Day, school is now out before Memorial Day, ostensibly to let families take off on all the vacations they can't afford & don't really go on.

In addition, as you probably know, there are the FEDERAL holidays (that also close the banks and, ergo, many state offices) and there are federal holidays that only close Big-G facilities and the biz-loss-leader Postal Service, but are NOT State holidays. Nevertheless, it seems to have been worked out that there will be some "teacher's day" taken surrounding the holiday they didn't get, net effect same.

In terms of instructional time, you can be the judge as to whether full curriculum focus is given on the days when there IS school in session, but it is overshadowed by an offically recognized "observance" day. (http://dpi.wi.gov/eis/observe_next_year_dates.html)

Oh... and there are snow days. :D

Badger52
06-07-2012, 07:55
Lt Gov wins as well with just as large of a margin.
afchic, you would've really enjoyed the one commercial run by/for the Lt. Gov.

EXSUM: She described having heard of an Illinois business that was getting ready to relocate or close because it simply refused to take the oppressive taxes anymore. And...

"So, I called 'em up and said 'why don't you come to Wisconsin?'"
"And... they did."

She is attractive, articulate yet down to earth and THAT commercial told a huge story in a nutshell providing top-cover while Walker ads expended part of their ammo on the outright lies from the Dems. Once in awhile, one can hit the purest ball for a homerun or strike a pure golf-shot and it actually feels like... nothing, because it was struck so purely. If she'd have been in Wrigley Field the ball would've been on Waveland Ave. It was perfect.

That ad did alot for the whole race and should not be discounted; she did Wisconsin proud.

Lt. Gov's web location: http://www.ltgov.state.wi.us/

Rob_Frey
06-07-2012, 12:50
What's with all the exit polls from last night giving Obama a lead?

F.cking imbeciles evidently believe what they want to regardless of the veracity.

The problem with polls is that the questions can be skewed to give a predetermined desired result. Polls are like statistics, one of the forms of a lie.

Dusty
06-10-2012, 05:38
Regarding the polls of Obama doing well in the state, I have read that Obama scores well among many of the people in the state among whom Scott Walker also scores well. Some say this is one of the reasons why Obama didn't campaign with the unions in the state, because he didn't want to alienate pro-Walker, pro-Obama supporters.

Do you have any links to those texts you read which say that Obama scores well with the same people with whom Walker scores well?

Who is "some" in "some say this is one of the reasons..."- What's the source?

cbtengr
06-10-2012, 12:37
Do you have any links to those texts you read which say that Obama scores well with the same people with whom Walker scores well?

Who is "some" in "some say this is one of the reasons..."- What's the source?

My understanding was that info was gathered during exit polling, you know the polling that showed Walker getting beaten by his challenger. The polling data that made the MSM look like the fools that we all ready knew them to be.

Airbornelawyer
06-10-2012, 19:13
According to some data I saw, Gov. Walker did win some 38% of union voters. Presumably many of these would traditionally be Democrat-leaning voters. Liberal commentators attacked these union voters as fools or class traitors, but the reality is that many of them were probably private-sector union members. They might be pro-union and liberal voters on many issues, but like other Wisconsin taxpayers, they weren't fans of public sector unions taking their tax dollars.

Dusty
06-11-2012, 18:46
Here are a few:

LINK1 (http://www2.journalnow.com/news/opinion/2012/jun/07/wsopin02-what-happened-in-wisconsin-ar-2337960/)

LINK2 (http://mhpshow.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/06/12084216-after-walkers-win-a-lot-of-wishful-thinking?lite)

Didn't even get past the first link.

Don't send me an editorial by a WaPo "journalist" as documentation.

Badger52
06-11-2012, 19:59
According to some data I saw, Gov. Walker did win some 38% of union voters. Presumably many of these would traditionally be Democrat-leaning voters. Liberal commentators attacked these union voters as fools or class traitors, but the reality is that many of them were probably private-sector union members. They might be pro-union and liberal voters on many issues, but like other Wisconsin taxpayers, they weren't fans of public sector unions taking their tax dollars.Sounds like someone got the 2-section TWX that discussed the bloated university-system salary package, followed by the 5.5% tuition hike. Some also may be technically former union members who've now found other things to do with their previously extorted dues. They spend alot of money trying to convince people that, whether it's a proper fit or not for a particular young person, a 4-year liberal arts degree from the UW system will make everything better. One knows this because of all the perks provided to "famous" foreign professors at ginormous salaries (who don't teach a single class).
:rolleyes: