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Gov. Walker stays, becoming the first governor to survive a recall. Had he not held on, no election in this country would be safe. You cannot recall politicians because of policy, malfeasance yes. Come Nov. it will be time to recall the current occupant of the WH. I am betting O is popping the cap on the heartburn medicine as I type. GO BADGERS and THANKS!
I just posted something in the Early Bird. :D
I think this is a huge win, and a big blow to unions.
I just posted something in the Early Bird. :D
I think this is a huge win, and a big blow to unions.
Indeed, this is huge. Considering the amount of NY unions that meddled in this circus, and are now in major damage control mode, makes me feel quite good, like cracking open a bottle of scotch good :D
Badger52 and the rest of our WI based board members, I raise one to you all, good work! and here's to finishing the job in Nov. :lifter
I just posted something in the Early Bird. :D
I think this is a huge win, and a big blow to unions.
My wife actually felt like crying when she heard the news. This is great news! I watched as Obama and the dems tore down the country during his first two years in office. Then we had the 2010 elections and got back the house, repudiating the dems and their way of doing business. Then the question became can we maintain the momentum of 2010, well its been 18 months since that election and judging by the outcome in Wisconsin I gotta believe that we have a full head steam heding into November.
Walker wins, it is a victory against the Liberal scourge. But based on this hate speech on twitter, time will tell whether sanity prevails......not just in Wisconsin, but come November all 50 States.
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/06/kill-scott-walker-angry-libs-flood-twitter-with-death-threats-after-wisconsin-recall-defeat/
Excerpt:
`Marques.Scoot. @__SupaMcNASTY__
Ima fuck Scott walker up. I been wanting to for the longest anyways lowkey.
Ocean Gang Goon @SeXXX_Symbol_
Somebody need to Abe Lincoln Scott Walker cave frog lookin ass.
Walker wins, it is a victory against the Liberal scourge. But based on this hate speech on twitter, time will tell whether sanity prevails......not just in Wisconsin, but come November all 50 States.
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/06/kill-scott-walker-angry-libs-flood-twitter-with-death-threats-after-wisconsin-recall-defeat/
Excerpt:
What language are those exerpts in????:eek:
What language are those exerpts in????:eek:
That's junecleaverese.
Walker wins, it is a victory against the Liberal scourge. But based on this hate speech on twitter, time will tell whether sanity prevails......not just in Wisconsin, but come November all 50 States.
http://twitchy.com/2012/06/06/kill-scott-walker-angry-libs-flood-twitter-with-death-threats-after-wisconsin-recall-defeat/
Excerpt:
You ain't seen shit. Wait'l Obumma get pwned 'n' shit, dwog. :D
longrange1947
06-06-2012, 09:09
They are pissed because even with voter fraud they could not win!! :munchin :D
greenberetTFS
06-06-2012, 09:38
Dims 0.................:eek:
Republicans 1....:lifter
We are witnessing the beginning of the end of "O".............:boohoo
Big Teddy :munchin
DIYPatriot
06-06-2012, 09:57
You ain't seen shit. Wait'l Obumma get pwned 'n' shit, dwog. :D
Did you have to use Google translate to type this!?!?! :D
You ain't seen shit. Wait'l Obumma get pwned 'n' shit, dwog. :D
I think its spelled 'dawg'. haha
Im a little concerned about November myself.
I live in a not so great part of town. Its mostly minority with a smattering of retired Army folks. Hopefully they dont burn down South Columbus. :rolleyes:
I think its spelled 'dawg'. haha
I be pronouncin' it "dwog", yo. :D
I think its spelled 'dawg'. haha
Im a little concerned about November myself.
I live in a not so great part of town. Its mostly minority with a smattering of retired Army folks. Hopefully they dont burn down South Columbus. :rolleyes:
Ooooo ... you're one to be giving spelling lessons.
I'm no English major, but I do know it's ....
It's
and
I'm
and
It's
and
Don't
You must use an awful lot of "Windex" to keep those windows clean in that glass house you live in. ;)
You must use an awful lot of "Windex" to keep those windows clean in that glass house you live in. ;)
No slack around here. Touche!
Badger52
06-06-2012, 11:41
They are pissed because even with voter fraud they could not win!! :munchin :DCompared to some places there isn't as much of that, although on a couple of occasions a particular county (Waukesha) has had some "skillset" issues in managing their voting operation. That challenged indiv has indicated she's not running for re-election (otherwise she'll probably get lynched).
Was an interesting evening, especially with watching Milwaukee county go for Walker very early, later to suddenly turn for Barrett. But when he lost the support of the big newspaper editorially, and when known Barrett voters were telling me they would vote Walker anyway because the whiny-assed nature of the recall mechanism irked them, and when Barrett's regime in the People's Sub-Enclave of Chicago got investigated for UNDER-reporting violent crime in order to make their stats look good, he was toast. There was one other thing in play.
For the first time, ALOT of folks with some sense were talking facts to others rather than kool-aid based rhetoric about the issue of so-called union "rights" (which don't really exist with an executive branch of government). This was stuff done throughout the state, 1:1 in the cafes and the micro-brews and the bakery lines. While waiting for the best apple-fritters in the region one AM I actually heard a couple of "Steel Magnolias" actually going at it. One lady who'd apparently retired from the old labor dept was telling another the truth about the Nat'l Labor Relations Act and specific exclusion of Fed & State govt and how WI only started engaging in collective bargaining in 1959 under, "oh, you remember hon'- that idiot, Gaylord Nelson" (former gov I found out).
Folks (self included) shared with others how much they really contribute to their own pensions and health-care plans and the poor tale of the High Church of Academia in Madison became "boo-f'n hoo." In addition, neighbors talked with each other about encounters with out-of-state union thugs who were bused into Madison to aid in the "community organizing."
Frankly, alot of folks just realized that their little piece of America had reached what Claire Wolfe has called "that awkward stage."* And this is a state, by the way, that would've been much happier if Rick Santorum had ended up the presumptive nominee.
Was a good 24 hours; 1 for the good guys. Next.
:lifter
* "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." – 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution (1996)
longrange1947
06-06-2012, 13:01
No slack around here. Touche!
Slack is found in the dictionary in the same area as sympathy, but a lot closer to sh*t. :munchin :D
Badger52
06-06-2012, 13:23
Slack is found in the dictionary in the same area as sympathy, but a lot closer to sh*t. :munchin :DBa-dum, Tss.
Wisconsin was not the only state making the news last night, San Diego voters had their voices heard loud and clear also and its not sitting to well with the unions.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/05/pension-reform-scores-big-voters/
The taxpayer, the guy who pays the bills has had enough, this is just the beginning.
Wisconsin was not the only state making the news last night, San Diego voters had their voices heard loud and clear also and its not sitting to well with the unions.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/jun/05/pension-reform-scores-big-voters/
The taxpayer, the guy who pays the bills has had enough, this is just the beginning.
San Jose, also, which is much more liberal than SD: http://www.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_20794968/san-jose-employee-unions-file-lawsuit-challenging-pension
Pat
Badger52
06-06-2012, 15:26
Wisconsin was not the only state making the news last night, San Diego voters had their voices heard loud and clear also and its not sitting to well with the unions. Well, now that they've had their moment with the Lame-Stream Media Labor unions, which strongly opposed the measure, say Proposition B is illegal and will be tossed out by courts. They contend the mayor violated labor law by using his position to advance the initiative and avoid required negotiations with employee unions.If the city stays the course they'll win; they need to hang tough. It ain't about union-busting for its own sake; it's about fiscal responsibility to those served.
;)
Well done San Diego & San Jose.
What language are those exerpts in????:eek:
That sounds like a 'Tell me how you really feel' question :D
It was on my definitely on my mind, but I intentionally removed the 'E' word from my post to keep the topic from digressing to the realm of Martin, DOJ, Holdar, Al, JJ, NBPP and the 'RR' word.
But since you ask, I believe the language in question can be attributed to Social Psychologist Robert Williams and Linguist Ernie Smith. And was at one time (maybe it still is) recognized as a primary language by the Oakland School Board.
You ain't seen shit. Wait'l Obumma get pwned 'n' shit, dwog. :D
Trudat Homeboy.
Well, now that they've had their moment with the Lame-Stream Media If the city stays the course they'll win; they need to hang tough. It ain't about union-busting for its own sake; it's about fiscal responsibility to those served.
;)
Well done San Diego & San Jose.
Very few politicians seem to be able to grasp the concept of fiscal responsibilty, but now that they have an example and they see that it is possible to start to rein things in, maybe more cities and states will do just that. Thanks for putting up the good fight in Wisconsin!!
What's the motto of Wisconsin, again?
Nice !!!!
:D :D :D
Oh I like that one.
Radar Rider
06-06-2012, 19:26
Oh I like that one.
Indeed. Perhaps 2012 ISN'T going to be the end of the world.
You must use an awful lot of "Windex" to keep those windows clean in that glass house you live in. ;)
Damn Sdiver! sometimes your the window and sometimes your the bird, 'specially with all that "Windex" :D
Damn Sdiver! sometimes your the window and sometimes your the bird, 'specially with all that "Windex" :D
Pssstttttttt ......
It's ....
You're
and
You're
Cheep, Cheep, Cheep ...... little "birdie". ;)
longrange1947
06-06-2012, 21:23
Pssstttttttt ......
It's ....
You're
and
You're
Cheep, Cheep, Cheep ...... little "birdie". ;)
I believe that half, if not more, of the "literate" in the US have not grasped that concept along with the ones mentioned earlier.
Badger52
06-07-2012, 05:20
Nice !!!!
:D :D :DThanks, that's a pretty good one.
Pssstttttttt ......
It's ....
You're
and
You're
Cheep, Cheep, Cheep ...... little "birdie". ;)
Cheep
Cheep
Cheep.....
I believe that half, if not more, of the "literate" in the US have not grasped that concept along with the ones mentioned earlier.
....SPLAT!!!
BBBut you missed the " 'specially " hole-in-one.
Touche ;)
Oh, and I don't golf :D
Rob_Frey
06-07-2012, 12:54
Nice !!!!
:D :D :D
Love this one!!!
Dozer523
06-07-2012, 13:18
This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.
The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.
Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.
This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.
The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.
Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.
That was so well put, we can't just go recalling politicians over policy and that was what the recall in WI was all about. Gov. Walker's first election has been validated by the failure of the recall. This was not a shining moment for the idiots who brought all this on, not to mention a tremendous waste of resources.
Badger52
06-07-2012, 17:18
What Dozer says is entirely correct, and what was told to me by many Dems who will remain so but still voted for Walker. Unless the incumbent has broken the law or violated State or Federal Constitution, there's no grounds. Want a do-over? Fine, wait 4 years and get it done. Otherwise it's a hijacking of someone else's vote, not to mention a major distraction from the business at hand.
Wanna kick some ass? Great, drive out & attend the Fast & Furious hearings and jack some people up by the stacking swivel - pick any party, it's a target-rich environment. Otherwise, as my recently departed CO said, "just shut up & train."
This was in todays papers, his take on what took place in Wisconsin is spot on. I personally have no use for unions but feel that if you want to belong to one that is your business, just do not force me to join and pay dues.
http://www.presstelegram.com/opinions/ci_20822897/charles-krauthammer-what-wisconsin-vote-means-unions
TUESDAY, June 5, 2012, will be remembered as the beginning of the long decline of the public-sector union. It will follow, and parallel, the shrinking of private-sector unions, now down to less than 7 percent of American workers.
The abject failure of the unions to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker - the first such failure in U.S. history - marks the Icarus moment of government-union power. Wax wings melted, there's nowhere to go but down.
The ultimate significance of Walker's union reforms has been largely misunderstood. At first, the issue was curtailing outrageous union benefits, far beyond those of the ordinary Wisconsin taxpayer. That became a nonissue when the unions quickly realized that trying to defend the indefensible would render them toxic for the real fight to come.
So they made the fight about the "right" to collective bargaining, which the reforms severely curtailed. In a state as historically progressive as Wisconsin - in 1959, it was the first to legalize the government-worker union - they thought they could win as a matter of ideological fealty.
But as the recall campaign progressed, the Democrats stopped talking about bargaining rights. It was a losing issue. Walker was able to make the case that years of corrupt union-politician back-scratching had been bankrupting the state. And he had just enough time to demonstrate the beneficial effects of overturning that arrangement: a huge budget deficit closed without raising
taxes, significant school-district savings from ending cozy insider health-insurance contracts, and a modest growth in jobs.
But the real threat behind all this was that the new law ended automatic government collection of union dues. That was the unexpressed and politically inexpressible issue. Without the thumb of the state tilting the scale by coerced collection, union membership became truly voluntary. Result? Newly freed members rushed for the exits. In less than one year, AFSCME, the second largest public-sector union in Wisconsin, has lost more than 50 percent of its membership.
It was predictable. In Indiana, where Gov. Mitch Daniels instituted by executive order a similar reform seven years ago, government-worker unions have since lost 91 percent of their dues-paying membership. In Wisconsin, Democratic and union bosses (a redundancy) understood what was at stake if Walker prevailed: not benefits, not "rights," but the very existence of the unions.
So they fought and they lost. Repeatedly. Tuesday was their third and last shot at reversing Walker's reforms. In April 2011, they ran a candidate for chief justice of the state Supreme Court who was widely expected to strike down the law. She lost.
In July and August 2011, they ran recall elections of state senators, needing three to reclaim Democratic - i.e., union - control. They failed. (The likely flipping of one Senate seat to the Democrats on June 5 is insignificant. The Senate is not in session and won't be until after yet another round of elections in November.)
And then, Tuesday, their Waterloo. Walker defeated their gubernatorial candidate by a wider margin than he had two years ago.
The unions' defeat marks a historical inflection point. They set out to make an example of Walker. He succeeded in making an example of them as a classic case of reactionary liberalism. An institution founded to protect its members grew in size, wealth, power and arrogance. A half-century later these unions were exercising essential control of everything from wages to work rules in the running of government - something that, in a system of republican governance, is properly the sovereign province of the citizenry.
Why did the unions lose? Because Norma Rae nostalgia is not enough, and it hardly applied to government workers living better than the average taxpayer who supports them. And because of the rise of a new constitutional conservatism - committed to limited government and a more robust civil society - of the kind that swept away Democrats in the 2010 midterm shellacking.
Most important, however, because in the end reality prevails. As economist Herb Stein once put it: Something that can't go on, won't. These public-sector unions, acting, as FDR had feared, with an inherent conflict of interest regarding their own duties, were devouring the institution they were supposed to serve, rendering state government as economically unsustainable as the collapsing entitlement states of southern Europe.
It couldn't go on. Now it won't. All that was missing was a political leader willing to risk his career to make it stop. Because, time being infinite, even the inevitable doesn't happen on its own.
Team Sergeant
06-10-2012, 09:58
Mr. Krauthammer is an extremely intelligent individual, I really enjoy reading his work.
"government workers living better than the average taxpayer who supports them."
That's what left-wing socialist progressive unions do....... It's going to be fun watching the political "change" in the next four years......
Remington Raidr
06-10-2012, 15:47
In point of fact. DA UNIONS had annointed Kathleen Falk, the County Executive of Dane (the county of the state capital) as the "chosen one". DA UNIONS spent months trying to sell her to the rest of the state, but in the primary, Tom Barrett, the mayor of Milwaukee, two time loser, willing to spend federal dollars for a 2.5 mile trolley to nowhere KICKED HER ASS. DA UNIONS got behind Barrett, but what did they have. An ineffective mayor (Detroit lite) who didn't get nuttin' done? In the end, Tommy tried to bring the fire, but, well, like a pissed-off kindergartner he was discounted. The FUNNIEST thing was his wife left teaching at the Milwaukee Public Schools for a suburban elementary school, where my nieces attend, after using the MPS email account to send political stuff (a BIG charge against people that worked for Walker) and she has settled in nicely and by all reports is an excellent teacher.
Of course, I was unhappy when my SIL told me about a new game on the playground, where, if you lose, you gotta go to JUVY. Coincidence????? I HOPE SO!!!!!:eek:
And because of the rise of a new constitutional conservatism - committed to limited government and a more robust civil society - of the kind that swept away Democrats in the 2010 midterm shellacking. Most important, however, because in the end reality prevails.
The same will happen in November.
greenberetTFS
06-10-2012, 17:21
This is wrong.
Whether it is a Republican (WI) or a Democrat (CA), recalls go against the grain of our form of government. In fact, I'll take that farther and state a Recall is a ballot box coup. I think this is worthy of a Constitutional Challenge.
The way I read the US Blueprint it's supposed to work like this:
We have elections
We pick a leader (President/Govonor/Mayor/Sheriff/Dog Catcher)
They do their job to the best of their ability/as they see fit for their appointed term. And us? we're supposed to watch, and hope, and live with the choice we made.
Come re-election time . . . Did good: return 'em. Not so good: Boot em.
The exception is if they are crooks -- we can impeach them.
Recalls allow a small pissed off group to hijack the system based on a single immediate hot ticket item. Recalls, even though they are elections subvert the whole electorial process.
Very well stated Dozer,good post........;) :D
Big Teddy :munchin
greenberetTFS
06-10-2012, 17:25
[QUOTE=Sdiver;452359]Pssstttttttt ......
It's ....
You're
and
You're
Very funny post.......;) :D
Big Teddy :munchin