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Richard
05-29-2012, 06:38
Placed it here because this is one of those 'political hot potatoes' for BHO and his more liberal base.

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will
NYT, 29 May 2012

This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.

President Obama, overseeing the regular Tuesday counterterrorism meeting of two dozen security officials in the White House Situation Room, took a moment to study the faces. It was Jan. 19, 2010, the end of a first year in office punctuated by terrorist plots and culminating in a brush with catastrophe over Detroit on Christmas Day, a reminder that a successful attack could derail his presidency. Yet he faced adversaries without uniforms, often indistinguishable from the civilians around them.

“How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”

It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be.

Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war. When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises — but his family is with him — it is the president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation.

“He is determined that he will make these decisions about how far and wide these operations will go,” said Thomas E. Donilon, his national security adviser. “His view is that he’s responsible for the position of the United States in the world.” He added, “He’s determined to keep the tether pretty short.”

Nothing else in Mr. Obama’s first term has baffled liberal supporters and confounded conservative critics alike as his aggressive counterterrorism record. His actions have often remained inscrutable, obscured by awkward secrecy rules, polarized political commentary and the president’s own deep reserve.

In interviews with The New York Times, three dozen of his current and former advisers described Mr. Obama’s evolution since taking on the role, without precedent in presidential history, of personally overseeing the shadow war with Al Qaeda.

They describe a paradoxical leader who shunned the legislative deal-making required to close the detention facility at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba, but approves lethal action without hand-wringing. While he was adamant about narrowing the fight and improving relations with the Muslim world, he has followed the metastasizing enemy into new and dangerous lands. When he applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism, it is usually to enable, not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al Qaeda — even when it comes to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a decision that Mr. Obama told colleagues was “an easy one.”

His first term has seen private warnings from top officials about a “Whac-A-Mole” approach to counterterrorism; the invention of a new category of aerial attack following complaints of careless targeting; and presidential acquiescence in a formula for counting civilian deaths that some officials think is skewed to produce low numbers.

The administration’s failure to forge a clear detention policy has created the impression among some members of Congress of a take-no-prisoners policy. And Mr. Obama’s ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron P. Munter, has complained to colleagues that the C.I.A.’s strikes drive American policy there, saying “he didn’t realize his main job was to kill people,” a colleague said.

Beside the president at every step is his counterterrorism adviser, John O. Brennan, who is variously compared by colleagues to a dogged police detective, tracking terrorists from his cavelike office in the White House basement, or a priest whose blessing has become indispensable to Mr. Obama, echoing the president’s attempt to apply the “just war” theories of Christian philosophers to a brutal modern conflict.

(Cont'd) http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1

Dusty
05-29-2012, 06:45
You can gold-plate a turd, but it's still a turd.

Scrapbook those sycophantic NYT pieces, Richard; they'll be collectible most ricky-tick. That rag's as close to bankrupt as it can get.

greenberetTFS
05-29-2012, 07:13
You can gold-plate a turd, but it's still a turd.

Scrapbook those sycophantic NYT pieces, Richard; they'll be collectible most ricky-tick. That rag's as close to bankrupt as it can get.

Right on target Dusty...........;):cool::D

Big Teddy :munchin

Sarski
05-29-2012, 09:24
You can gold-plate a turd, but it's still a turd.

Scrapbook those sycophantic NYT pieces, Richard; they'll be collectible most ricky-tick. That rag's as close to bankrupt as it can get.

Unless of course it falls into the to big to fail, or some other newly contrived category like "too important to the democratic party to go bankrupt" category.

I mean how "fair" would it be if only Fox News, and News Corps papers/media were the only surviving news outlets?

Airbornelawyer
05-29-2012, 09:37
Buried 52 paragraphs in is this gem:
It was not only Mr. Obama’s distaste for legislative backslapping and arm-twisting, but also part of a deeper pattern, said an administration official who has watched him closely: the president seemed to have “a sense that if he sketches a vision, it will happen — without his really having thought through the mechanism by which it will happen.”Note, this quote comes from one of his own officials, not some Republican critic of his naivete and narcissism.

And in another example of burying the lede, can you imagine how the New York Times would have covered this if it dealt with a Republican Administration?
... Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

Counterterrorism officials insist this approach is one of simple logic: people in an area of known terrorist activity, or found with a top Qaeda operative, are probably up to no good. “Al Qaeda is an insular, paranoid organization — innocent neighbors don’t hitchhike rides in the back of trucks headed for the border with guns and bombs,” said one official, who requested anonymity to speak about what is still a classified program.

This counting method may partly explain the official claims of extraordinarily low collateral deaths. In a speech last year Mr. Brennan, Mr. Obama’s trusted adviser, said that not a single noncombatant had been killed in a year of strikes. And in a recent interview, a senior administration official said that the number of civilians killed in drone strikes in Pakistan under Mr. Obama was in the “single digits” — and that independent counts of scores or hundreds of civilian deaths unwittingly draw on false propaganda claims by militants.I await the appearance of the "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" T-Shirts on the Obama campaign website.

Pete
05-29-2012, 11:25
It's in the news because the WH wants it in the news.

LSUinNL
05-29-2012, 14:37
Buried 52 paragraphs in is this gem:
... Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.


Wasn't COL Steele (of BlackHawk Down fame) relieved of his brigade for using the whole kill all military-age male jargon. Hey, at least Obama has made it acceptable.

GratefulCitizen
05-29-2012, 19:46
Buried 52 paragraphs in is this gem:

It was not only Mr. Obama’s distaste for legislative backslapping and arm-twisting, but also part of a deeper pattern, said an administration official who has watched him closely: the president seemed to have “a sense that if he sketches a vision, it will happen — without his really having thought through the mechanism by which it will happen.”


Note, this quote comes from one of his own officials, not some Republican critic of his naivete and narcissism.


"So let it be written, so let it be done."

Snaquebite
05-29-2012, 19:49
It's in the news because the WH wants it in the news.

Correct...An effort to make BHO look tough

Richard
05-30-2012, 06:41
Anybody else get one of these? Mine came in yesterday's mail. :D

Richard :munchin