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Dusty
04-12-2012, 11:35
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/12/obama-willing-to-risk-accusations-socialism-for-chance-to-whack-romneys-wealth/


Obama Willing to Risk Accusations of Socialism for Chance to Whack Romney’s Wealth

“And we’re hoping that because of its simplicity and clarity, perhaps that Republicans this time will heed the call of their constituents, read the polls at least, as I hear they sometimes do, and act accordingly because it’s a matter of basic fairness and it makes economic sense.”

-- White House Press Secretary Jay Carney discussing President Obama’s call for a millionaires tax.

President Obama has usually been careful since taking office to marry his calls for tax increases with specific projects or initiatives. But, as the general election campaign speeds up, Obama is increasingly embracing the idea that top earners should pay more because of “fairness.”

In the capstone speech to his fall campaign swing delivered in Osawatomie, Kan., Obama denounced “breathtaking greed” in the financial sector and began to outline his re-election pitch to “restore balance, restore fairness.”

Obama escalated that rhetoric in recent weeks in a series of campaign speeches attacking Republican budget proposals that call for overhauling entitlement programs and rules that tax investment income at 15 percent. The rules were designed to encourage investment, but allow some wealthy Americans, like Obama’s opponent Mitt Romney, to pay taxes at a lower rate than other high earners who derive their income from paychecks.

The president allowed Wednesday that the move was a “gimmick” but that any effort to increase federal income in order to reduce deficit spending was worthwhile. However, with projected annual proceeds from the tax increase not equal to even one day of federal borrowing and conservatives countering that increasing taxes on investment income will further starve markets of capital, Obama needs a more compelling reason to target some 22,000 households with a special tax.

The additional reason, according to the president and his team, is to make sure that everyone is doing their “fair share”: it’s not just the money, it’s the principle.

Vice President Joe Biden will make the case in the most explicit way yet in a New Hampshire speech today that will accuse Romney and other wealthy Americans of taking advantage of middle-income Americans.

“Middle class Americans are willing to stand up and do their part. But they don't want to be played for a sucker,” Biden will say in a campaign speech in Exeter, N.H., according to an advance copy released by the Obama campaign. “When you pay your taxes next week, you ought to be able to know that everyone else is paying their fair share too.”

Contrast that with what Obama has said about the need to increase taxes on individuals making over $200,000, to close tax loopholes enjoyed by oil companies or to slash deductions for charitable giving for earners in the top brackets. Those higher taxes have been tied to specific policy proposals, Though the purpose sometimes changes, Obama has typically coupled calls for increased spending on his priorities with taxes on the wealthy or corporations.

He did not say that it would be satisfying for poorer folks to see these people or companies pay more taxes, but that the increases were necessary to fund projects that the president argued were crucial.

The argument has mostly failed, whether in calls to finance the president’s new middle-class health insurance entitlement by the expiry of current tax rates on top earners or the subsidy of anti-global warming technologies by increased taxes on Exxon. This may be mostly a result of skepticism about the projects themselves, but it has been a rhetorical shield for the president against conservative cries of “socialism.”

Obama has mostly avoided this kind of rhetoric since 2008 when he was badly burned by his comments while campaigning in Ohio about the need to “spread the wealth around.”

The president is clearly conscious of the dangers involved his class-based line of attack against Romney. In February, he said his tax policies were animated by the teachings of Jesus Christ, and he has lately been mocking his detractors and putting words in their mouths: “wild-eyed socialism” etc. Obama has also been increasing his invocations of Republican icon Ronald Reagan, who worked with democrats to close loopholes for the wealthy as part of an overall reduction in tax rates during his presidency.

But these straw-man lines and Reagan invocations mostly work for those who already agree with the president that income inequality is a problem unto itself and economic equality is a worthy goal of its own. For the rest of the electorate, insisting that your plan is not “some grand scheme to redistribute wealth from one group to another” or a “socialist dream,” draws attention to a negative.

This recalls Obama’s mockery of the foes of his health law who spoke of “death panels.” As recent debates have shown, this mockery likely embedded the language in the political discourse rather than discrediting it. Same with “Obamacare.” Unable to force the mushy “Affordable Care Act” on the general public, Obama has been forced to try to embrace the unflattering moniker for his law.

President Obama tried to laugh off his hot mic moment in which he was overheard asking Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to convey to Russian leader Vladimir Putin that Obama would have “more flexibility” after the November election. Obama was trying to show that he was unfazed by the gaffe and that it was no big deal, but instead kept the story alive that much longer.

The president is very much aware of the dangers attendant to a class-based attack strategy, especially for one seen as too liberal by such a large chunk of the electorate, but has apparently decided that given the uncertainty of his political prospects, it is worth the risk.

Obama today will talk to reporters from swing-state TV stations in an effort to pressure Democratic senators from those states to vote for the targeted tax increase on millionaires. He knows that if there are Democratic defections on the plan it will damage the symbolic value of the vote with his party divided on the issue. The law will lose, but he wants to deny Republicans the cover of bipartisan opposition.

His rhetoric in these interviews will be telling: How much of his call for higher taxes on the rich will be about fiscal prudence and how much will be about economic justice?


“There are others who are saying, well, this is just a gimmick. Just taxing millionaires and billionaires, just imposing [a 30 percent minimum tax on incomes over $1 million] won’t do enough to close the deficit. Well, I agree. That’s not all we have to do to close the deficit.”

-- President Obama in a White House speech calling for the creation of a new tax rate for top earners.

“I’m not the first President to call for this idea that everybody has got to do their fair share. Some years ago, one of my predecessors traveled across the country pushing for the same concept… That wild-eyed, socialist, tax-hiking class warrior was Ronald Reagan.”

WTF! :eek:

( Reagan cut taxes over 40 percent, from what I remember, as well as giving the Military a pay raise. Dusty)

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greenberetTFS
04-12-2012, 11:54
"O" and his sidekick joe just constantly make ass's of them selfs constantly.....:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin

Sigaba
04-12-2012, 12:50
I've long believed that at least one member of current president's staff is tasked with 'reverse engineering' the political rhetoric of the Reagan administration.

Did President Reagan have something different in mind when he discussed the concept of a "fair share" in regards to taxation during his presidency? Will the current president's supporters and detractors do their own research and find out? (President Reagan's public papers are available here (http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/#axzz1rlFxBqdy).)

Badger52
04-12-2012, 14:01
"risk accusations of" ? (vs. what any thinking person already knows)

Dusty
04-12-2012, 14:29
He may as well drop all pretense regarding his embrace of socialism, 'cause that cat's been outta the bag with anyone who's even made a half-hearted attempt at researching his intentions.

This, of course, would exclude most (if not all) college kids, women who are pre-occupied with birth control, women who vote because "that's how my friends are voting", women who vote based on sex appeal (really),ex-hippies, tree-huggers, greenies, Afro-Americans, illegal aliens and felons. In other words, much of his voting base, with the remainder being comprised of would-be socialistic, pseudo-intellectual maroons.

The Reaper
04-12-2012, 15:38
He may as well drop all pretense regarding his embrace of socialism, 'cause that cat's been outta the bag with anyone who's even made a half-hearted attempt at researching his intentions.

This, of course, would exclude most (if not all) college kids, women who are pre-occupied with birth control, women who vote because "that's how my friends are voting", women who vote based on sex appeal (really),ex-hippies, tree-huggers, greenies, Afro-Americans, illegal aliens and felons. In other words, much of his voting base, with the remainder being comprised of would-be socialistic, pseudo-intellectual maroons.

You left off the whites who voted for him because they felt guilty, and electing a black POTUS would end racism and create racial harmony all across the USA.:rolleyes:

Kumbayah.

TR

Dusty
04-12-2012, 16:49
You left off the whites who voted for him because they felt guilty, and electing a black POTUS would end racism and create racial harmony all across the USA.:rolleyes:

Kumbayah.

TR

Thank you.

I also forgot the ones who were voting against Bush, even though he wasn't running.

And the Hollywoodiots.

Richard
04-12-2012, 17:28
You left off the whites who voted for him because they felt guilty, and electing a black POTUS would end racism and create racial harmony all across the USA.

I really don't think there were many, if any at all, of such guilt-ridden voters; however, I think the 'anybody but a Bush-Cheney endorsed candidate/party' crowd was a HUGE factor in 11/2008.

YMMV - and so it goes...

Richard

Dusty
04-12-2012, 17:42
I really don't think there were many, if any at all, of such guilt-ridden voters;
Richard

That worries me, Richard. For you to really believe that, you'd have to have your head completely buried by sand, or were Manchurianized.

It's as obvious as the sun that white guilt played a HUGE part in his election.

Richard
04-12-2012, 18:01
It's as obvious as the sun that white guilt played a HUGE part in his election.

Stats? :confused:

Everybody I've run into who will admit they voted for Obama/Biden voted that way because they were either Yellow-Dog Dims and were voting the party ticket anyway or were voting against what the Repugs had done over the previous eight years with the hope of something different, better, etc. Seems as if there's plenty of disappointment to go around that can be tapped by a solid Republican campaign no matter how they voted last time.

Richard :munchin

Sigaba
04-12-2012, 18:03
IMO, it is going to be a long (and ultimately disappointing) campaign season if the president's opponents continue to be unwilling to take a closer look at what the GOP leadership and rank and file did wrong in 2008. One can say what ever one likes about the Democrats. Yet, they weren't responsible for the poor vetting of Governor Palin nor for the mis-steps of the McCain campaign.

Similarly, castigating the opposition for the reasons we imagine they voted for the Democratic Party's candidate plays right into the president's hands. Such accusations change the focus of the conversation. Instead of talking about the incumbent's policy preferences, their impact upon America, and how a Republican president and Congress will produce better solutions, the conversation becomes a dubious debate centering around identity politics. That is, the question is not Why do Democrats vote for their party's candidates? but What can the GOP do to get more Democrats and independents to vote for Republican candidates in 2012?

YMMV.

tonyz
04-12-2012, 18:19
Here are some numbers regarding voter breakdown from POLITICO and PEW Research there are others.

Politico

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15297.html

By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 11/5/08 12:27 AM EDT

Excerpt:

Barack Obama, who will be the nation’s first African-American president, won the largest share of white support of any Democrat in a two-man race since 1976 amid a backdrop of economic anxiety unseen in at least a quarter-century, according to exit polls by The Associated Press and the major television networks.

Obama became the first Democrat to also win a majority since Jimmy Carter with the near-unanimous backing of blacks and the overwhelming support of youth as well as significant inroads with white men and strong support among Hispanics and educated voters.

The Illinois senator won 43 percent of white voters, 4 percentage points below Carter’s performance in 1976 and equal to what Bill Clinton won in the three-man race of 1996. Republican John McCain won 55 percent of the white vote.

Fully 96 percent of black voters supported Obama and constituted 13 percent of the electorate, a 2-percentage-point rise in their national turnout. As in past years, black women turned out at a higher rate than black men.

PEW:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1209/racial-ethnic-voters-presidential-election

Excerpt:

According to the exit polls in last year's presidential election, the candidate preference of non-white voters was distinctly different from that of white voters. Nearly all (95%) black voters cast their ballot for Democrat Barack Obama. Among Latino voters, 67% voted for Obama while 31% voted for Republican John McCain. Among Asian voters, 62% supported Obama and 35% voted for McCain. In contrast, white voters supported McCain (55%) over Obama (43%).

Dusty
04-12-2012, 18:31
Stats? :confused:

:munchin

I can give you as much statistical evidence for white guilt as you can for the lack of it.

Puhleez.

glebo
04-12-2012, 19:14
"O" and his sidekick joe just constantly make ass's of them selfs constantly.....:rolleyes:

Big Teddy :munchin

unfortunatly, most folks like ass....especially liberals...

DADT, Gay Marriage, etc, etc...:munchin

MR2
04-12-2012, 19:32
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot." By unknown.

Dusty
04-12-2012, 20:14
"If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not a racist, you'll have to vote for someone else in 2012 to prove you're not an idiot." By unknown.

Would this quote ring true if white guilt was nonexistent?

Richard
04-12-2012, 21:06
I can give you as much statistical evidence for white guilt as you can for the lack of it.

Puhleez.

So, a lack of proof is proof? Conspiracy theory 101 at its best. Puhleez. :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

Dusty
04-13-2012, 09:15
So, a lack of proof is proof? Conspiracy theory 101 at its best. Puhleez. :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

No, Richard. You know exactly what I mean.

I'm not gonna google up stats that prove the earth is round, either.

As I said before, where is the sardonic humor in a quote regarding white guilt when no white guilt exists?

Living in a "see no evil, hear no evil" world doesn't necessarily insulate you from facts.