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Roguish Lawyer
10-02-2004, 15:56
Let's talk about beer again.

Your favorite brew and why.

If you insist upon naming multiple brews (for different occasions or moods or whatever), you may name no more than five.

Otherwise, I will use the god gun. Well, okay, the mod pop gun. LMAO

Air.177
10-02-2004, 16:15
Let's talk about beer again.


If you insist upon naming multiple brews (for different occasions or moods or whatever), you may name no more than five.

Otherwise, I will use the god gun. Well, okay, the mod pop gun. LMAO


Now this is just Unfair Discrimination against Brew :munchin

Polar Bear
10-02-2004, 17:46
Milwaukee’s Best it suits every occasion

Just for you Brew

brewmonkey
10-02-2004, 18:08
Favorite beer?

The one in my hand!!!

If I had to choose only 5 though I would have to say that they would be Rogue Ales Old Crustacean Barleywine, Goose Island Pils, Ommegang Hennepin, Fullers IPA and Bell's brewing Imperial Stout.

Favorite beers are difficult as my mood changes so does my selection. I tend to like bigger beers as well as very hoppy beers.

Side note: They announced the winners of this years Great American Beer Festival.

http://www.beertown.org/events/gabf/04winners.htm

brewmonkey
10-02-2004, 18:08
Milwaukee’s Best it suits every occasion

Just for you Brew


I would have figured you for a PBR man.

Polar Bear
10-02-2004, 18:15
Come on beer man Hamm's :)

Bill Harsey
10-02-2004, 19:28
Alaskan Amber, Alaskan Winter Ale, Rogue Ales (any beer on tap drank before I'm asked to leave the brewery in Newport Oregon, like last time), Fosters! whether brewed in Canada, Germay or even God forbid Australia. By the way, I don't drink beer anymore, I use a funnel.

Radar Rider
10-02-2004, 22:20
Grizzly Beer. A fine Canadian lager, that is very difficult to find. IIRC, the last time I even saw any was in Red Bank, New Jersey, in 1989. Hell, I'd walk to Canada for a frosty one of those bad boys. :cool:

Roycroft201
10-02-2004, 22:39
That's a great link, Brew. Thank you.

Everyone around here grew up with Genesee Cream Ale.

Roguish Lawyer
10-02-2004, 23:41
Rogue Ales

I don't like the Morimoto Soba Ale, despite being a big Morimoto fan.

lrd
10-03-2004, 05:06
Mac and Jack's African Amber on tap, when I can get it.

Unfortunately, I can't get it out here.

Polar Bear
10-03-2004, 08:43
Snake Dog by Flying Dog Brewery

Brew what are your thoughts on Flying dog beer?

brewmonkey
10-03-2004, 09:45
Snake Dog by Flying Dog Brewery

Brew what are your thoughts on Flying dog beer?

They have some good products from what I remember. I do not drink it often even though it is available here. Last thing I had from them was the IPA and I recall thinking it was an ok IPA.

If you are looking for some good Pale ales try DogFish Head 60 minute.

Polar Bear
10-03-2004, 09:57
I tried it a couple of weeks ago, good stuff

The Reaper
10-03-2004, 17:59
Cold, free, yours, his, and hers.

Somebody say, "Open Bar"??

TR

Roguish Lawyer
10-06-2004, 19:47
Given only one to choose, and balancing everyday drinkability, availability and taste, my choice is Newcastle Brown Ale.

:munchin

szechuan
10-06-2004, 20:22
Damn, reading the previous posts about every country in the world seems like beer heaven compared to Korea. Here it's mostly industrial crap with different labels, the "taste" stays the same.

Wait, one exception: Cafri ( http://www.cafri.com ) might not be as bland as the others. Probably that's why the price is also double.

Memories of more beer-friendly spots: A nice pub lunch near Coventry in England was washed down with pints of Ruddles County Ale ( http://www.ruddles.co.uk ) and I've been a devotee since. Another fine brewery is the Weihenstephan near Munich in Germany ( http://www.brauerei-weihenstephan.de ). Their Weizen has really captured the taste of summer.

And to stay true to my origins, the Sinerbrychoff Brewery in Helsinki is producing a quality porter going by the name of Koff Porter. ( http://www.nycbeer.org/special/sine.html ) They became part of the Carlsberg group some years ago, hope this has not affected production.

Achilles
10-06-2004, 20:28
Given only one to choose, and balancing everyday drinkability, availability and taste, my choice is Newcastle Brown Ale.

:munchin

Yes! Newcastle! NC is easily the best beer available at supermarkets nationwide. At 7$ a 6-pack, its a delicacy given my tight college budget, but it's definately worth it. Growing up next to Mexico, I always preferred the darker ale there to the domestic variety here until I started drinking NC. Not that I drink beer you know, being 20 years old and all... :rolleyes:

Roguish Lawyer
10-06-2004, 20:50
Growing up next to Mexico, I always preferred the darker ale there to the domestic variety here until I started drinking NC.

Dos Equis? :munchin

brewmonkey
10-06-2004, 21:17
Dos Equis? :munchin


Dos Equis is not an Ale it is a Lager. The Amber is a knockoff of a German Octoberfest style while the Special is probably closer to a German Pils then anything else.

The Reaper
10-06-2004, 21:23
LMAO!!

School is in session!

TR

Bill Harsey
10-06-2004, 21:32
New favorite beer, Moose Drool Nut Brown Ale, out of Montana. It's as good as it sounds.

Roguish Lawyer
10-06-2004, 21:34
Dos Equis is not an Ale it is a Lager. The Amber is a knockoff of a German Octoberfest style while the Special is probably closer to a German Pils then anything else.

I think he was referring to Dos Equis. Do you really think he was referring to an ale made in Mexico? I've never seen one in a store.

Roguish Lawyer
10-06-2004, 21:35
It's as good as it sounds.

Boy, you really do live out in the woods, don't you? :D

Bill Harsey
10-06-2004, 21:46
Boy, you really do live out in the woods, don't you? :D
You have no idea how far out in the woods I am...

Roguish Lawyer
10-06-2004, 21:47
You have no idea how far out in the woods I am...

LOL

I'll have to try this moose piss or whatever it's called . . . :D

Bill Harsey
10-06-2004, 22:14
This stuff'll make ya paw dirt and look for a mate!

The Reaper
10-07-2004, 05:54
You have no idea how far out in the woods I am...

Well, there used to be woods there, till Little Billy Junior, his Blue Ox, Babe, and his magic chainsaw showed up.

I hear that he is so far off the beaten path that the sun sets between his house and the mailbox.

TR

Sdiver
10-07-2004, 09:32
New favorite beer, Moose Drool Nut Brown Ale, out of Montana. It's as good as it sounds.

Bill...I just tried this, this summer. My roommate brought some back from a Sundance out on the CROW res. That stuff is great.

When I can't find any of that, I'm usually drinking Fosters.

Bill Harsey
10-07-2004, 10:02
Bill...I just tried this, this summer. My roommate brought some back from a Sundance out on the CROW res. That stuff is great.

When I can't find any of that, I'm usually drinking Fosters. Thanks! See? I wasn't making up that beer called Moose Drool. That's good logging water.

Sdiver
10-07-2004, 10:23
Thanks! See? I wasn't making up that beer called Moose Drool. That's good logging water.

Check out some of their others.

www.bigskybrew.com

Roguish Lawyer
10-07-2004, 12:15
Currently our beers are only available in the following states:

Alaska
Idaho
Minnesota
Montana
North Dakota
Oregon
South Dakota
Washington
Wisconsin
Wyoming


If you live outside of these states, you can order our beers through the following retailer websites:
www.liquidsolutions.biz or
www.horsebrass.com/belmont_station


If you would like more information, please contact the brewery:

General Information: info@bigskybrew.com
Collector requests: mailto:tblyton@bigskybrew.com
Distribution questions: mailto:bjorn@bigskybrew.com
Merchandise questions: mailto:tblyton@bigskybrew.com

Roguish Lawyer
10-07-2004, 12:19
$8.70 for a six-pack, $15.58 to ship it to me.

Not worth it unless you tell me different, Blademaster.

Achilles
10-07-2004, 16:54
Dos Equis? :munchin

I love Dos Equis! There are other great beers too. Negro Modelo is a great dark beer that definately comes to mind. On the lighter side theres Corona, but for some reason it tastes incredible with a lime squeeze or like crap without it.

Bill Harsey
10-07-2004, 16:57
$8.70 for a six-pack, $15.58 to ship it to me.

Not worth it unless you tell me different, Blademaster.
RL, let me check prices up here, I don't think I paid quite that much.

Roguish Lawyer
10-07-2004, 18:27
RL, let me check prices up here, I don't think I paid quite that much.

The shipping cost is what is giving me pause. I overpay for shipping ordering liquor, but then I'm getting more bang for my buck. :munchin

Bill Harsey
10-07-2004, 19:50
RL, who said anything about your paying shipping costs. Go to your room. Now.

Roguish Lawyer
10-07-2004, 20:34
RL, who said anything about your paying shipping costs. Go to your room. Now.

Yes, sir. :( LOL

brewmonkey
10-07-2004, 21:32
$8.70 for a six-pack, $15.58 to ship it to me.

Not worth it unless you tell me different, Blademaster.


If there are beers you would like to try but do not have reasonable access to please let me know. I can get almost anything that is availble and have it sent to you.

I would also steer clear of buying beer from an online store. None of them have reasonable prices and shipping is way more then the actual cost. I would also caution those sending alcohol to each other to NOT USE the postal system. Send it UPS or Fed-Ex.

Radar Rider
10-07-2004, 22:26
On the lighter side theres Corona, but for some reason it tastes incredible with a lime squeeze or like crap without it.That's weird, huh? I enjoy the occasional Corona, but I always like to have it with hunk of lemon squished in it.

Roguish Lawyer
10-07-2004, 22:41
That's weird, huh? I enjoy the occasional Corona, but I always like to have it with hunk of lemon squished in it.

If you'd like, I'm sure we can get you one of those little pink umbrellas to go with it. :D

Radar Rider
10-08-2004, 00:34
If you'd like, I'm sure we can get you one of those little pink umbrellas to go with it. :D
I like my pink umbrellas. Beer is the only drink I get that doesn't come with one. What's up with that?

Sdiver
10-08-2004, 08:08
I like my pink umbrellas. Beer is the only drink I get that doesn't come with one. What's up with that?


Ahhhh.....Because it's a MAN'S drink. :D

We don't need no stinkin' umbrellas. :lifter

brewmonkey
10-08-2004, 08:47
For those who like Corona you might also look into beers like Grolsch, Saint Pauli girl or any other pilsner style beers packaged in green, blue or clear bottles (not miller).

The color of the bottles allow for the iso alpha acids (derived from hops and give bitterness) become light struck which give that familiar "skunk" smell that corona is noted for. Only amber(brown) bottles offer protection from light that causes the problem.

The Reaper
10-08-2004, 08:54
I had a Rolling Rock a little while back and have been drinking them pretty regularly recently.

Very light and crisp.

I also discovered many years ago after jumping into Gettysburg for a staff ride that 18-20 or so of them (taken for pain relief) will sneak up on you.

TR

Roycroft201
10-08-2004, 13:52
That's weird, huh? I enjoy the occasional Corona, but I always like to have it with hunk of lemon squished in it.


Many, many years ago when I lived in England, I found after much trial and error ( :D ),
that my preferred beer was "lager 'n lime" - or that's what my British friends told me to order whenever in a pub. Tried many, and I was disappointed I didn't like Ghuinness, but that was what I stayed with until I came back to the States . I was told, at the time, that my preference was probably due to the fact that it was the closest to the American beers I was used to. Also, they did serve it with a BIT of a chill. Mayber if I had stayed at that university longer, warm beer would have started tasting better over time.

It's too bad we can't ask Solid any of the finer points about British beers but we know he has never sampled them at his tender young age. :p

I hope Brewmonkey will explain what the addition of citrus does to some beers that make it more enjoyable for some of us.

brewmonkey
10-08-2004, 20:40
The addition of the citrus masks the putrid flavors that would make it otherwise undrinkable.

As for British beers they are served at cellar temp (52F) not warm. The reason is that the malt character is more pronounced at that temp and when the beer is served to cold it will mask the flavor. Many macro beers like Bud/Coors are designed to be flavorless and can be served ice cold without missing anything.

If you really want to experience a good British beer grab a Fullers, I prefer the IPA but any will do, pour it in your glass and the let it come up a bit in temp. Say 5-7 minutes and you will see a big difference in the flavor then when it was still at the same temp as the fridge (34-36F).

flyboy1
10-09-2004, 05:31
I am not so much a beer drinker any-more, however, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is usually stocked.....when I can find the stuff in FL.
It is a CA beer.

FILO
10-09-2004, 07:41
A good hefe weizen has an acquired taste but IMHO is the best.

brewmonkey
10-10-2004, 15:50
A good hefe weizen has an acquired taste but IMHO is the best.


Any hefe weizen done with a Weinstephan yeast is an aquired taste. The banana flavor comes from Iso Amyl Acetate produced by the yeast which is also a low flocculating yeast. The low floc of the yeast allows it to stay in suspension giving the beer the cloudy appearance that it has become famous for. Other flavors one might notie depending on the brewer and yeast strain would be clove, cinnamon & bubblegum as well as being a high attenuating yeast which will leave the beer with a somewhat dry finish.

There are also American wheat beers where the strain of yeast used will leave less banana and bubblegum and more of the spiciness from the cinnamon and clove properties.

Rotor Strike
10-10-2004, 17:27
Nobody like Kilkenny? That's my favorite from the UK. I also like Budvar/Checkvar, the original Budweiser from the Check Republic. Good stuff. Problem is that most beers you get here contain preservatives that ruin the taste. Gotta go overseas to get the good stuff.

ghuinness
10-10-2004, 17:58
[QUOTE=Roycroft201]I didn't like Ghuinness, ....QUOTE]

Sorry, didn't mean to be a bad influence on here.

ghuinness stoudt is the name of my horse (Hanoverian)
guinness stout is the name of the beer

:D :D

brewmonkey
10-10-2004, 19:06
Nobody like Kilkenny? That's my favorite from the UK. I also like Budvar/Checkvar, the original Budweiser from the Check Republic. Good stuff. Problem is that most beers you get here contain preservatives that ruin the taste. Gotta go overseas to get the good stuff.


Most beers contain preservatives? Like what and which beers?

FILO
10-11-2004, 05:42
Any hefe weizen done with a Weinstephan yeast is an aquired taste. The banana flavor comes from Iso Amyl Acetate produced by the yeast which is also a low flocculating yeast. The low floc of the yeast allows it to stay in suspension giving the beer the cloudy appearance that it has become famous for. Other flavors one might notie depending on the brewer and yeast strain would be clove, cinnamon & bubblegum as well as being a high attenuating yeast which will leave the beer with a somewhat dry finish.

There are also American wheat beers where the strain of yeast used will leave less banana and bubblegum and more of the spiciness from the cinnamon and clove properties.

German hefe weizen IMO generally is far superior to US attempts. Furthermore, this style of beer is total testosterone since I have never seen a female drink a real hefe weizen and I don't mean those cherry (soda pop) flavored wheat beers.

Radar Rider
10-11-2004, 06:19
German hefe weizen IMO generally is far superior to US attempts. Furthermore, this style of beer is total testosterone since I have never seen a female drink a real hefe weizen and I don't mean those cherry (soda pop) flavored wheat beers.Did you ever have about 12 Sam Adams Cherry Wheat's? If you know any girls that can do that, I wanna meet 'em. ;)

brewmonkey
10-11-2004, 07:15
German hefe weizen IMO generally is far superior to US attempts. Furthermore, this style of beer is total testosterone since I have never seen a female drink a real hefe weizen and I don't mean those cherry (soda pop) flavored wheat beers.


There is a distinct difference between German wheat and American wheat beers. You can indeed find superior German style Hefe's brewed by US brewers but you have to search out the brewpubs as they are most likely not bottled.

IMHO German Hefe's are the worst style out there as they have way to many phenolic compounds to really be enjoyable. . If you really want a good German wheat beer grab a Berliner Weisse!

As I said earlier, American wheat beers are not meant to be the same as German Hefe's as they are a different breed of beer that is sadly lumped into the same category because they both contain wheat.

Big differences other then yeast selection would be percentages of wheat and types of wheat used in the grist. German hefe's will have a higher percentage, usually in excess of 40%, of wheat as well a bit of rolled oats and probably contain white wheat verse red wheat found in a lot of American wheats which tend to stay below the 30% of wheat in the grist.

The reason for the differences? Wheat is high in proteins like beta glucans which when heated become very gummy (think oatmeal). German brewers use a decoction method to brew which includes a special rest at about 122-131F to break down the proteins where American brewers do what is known as an infusion mash.. Unless the brewer has the ability to apply heat to the mash tun they will not be able to do a protein rest. Since they will have to deal with the glucans they will use wheat lower in proteins as well a lower percentage in the grist.

Why is this? Because if the glucans gum up in the tun the brewer will have a difficult time lautering the sweet wort to the kettle. This will have an impact on the efficiency of the mash as well as time it takes to do this step. If the efficency drops even a few percent it equates to more grains to achieve the desired gravity. In smll brewerys it might only mean 20-30 bucks a batch nd in large beweries 100's per batch.

Obviously by using a different and less wheat in the bacth you will end up with a different beer. As well the different mash process used will have an effect on the end product. The decoction mash will involve pulling up to a third of the mash at a time and bringing it to a boil in a seperate kettle and then it is added back to the tun. This allows for the different rests at temps to achieve the desired result. In addition any time you heat something up you cause what is known as the Maillard reaction which will help form melanoidins in the finished product. This process will add color (think cooking steak, it turns from pink/red to brown) as well as help crmelize sugars giving the beer an addition of flavor.

An infusion mash does not acieve this as it is never brought about 172F. While the infusion mash's wort will undergo the same reaction in the kettle, the decoction mash will have about twice the amount of time to do so.

In the end all these affect the flavor & presentation of the beer. The German hefe will seem to be much bolder then it's American counterpart and the yeast will finish the transofrmation.

:lifter

The Reaper
10-11-2004, 07:51
You guys quit agitating our resident Beer PhD, or I will have him tell you who really makes Samuel Adams.

Brew, everything we needed to know except for recommendations for some of those good U.S. Hefes.

TR

FILO
10-11-2004, 09:13
There is a distinct difference between German wheat and American wheat beers. You can indeed find superior German style Hefe's brewed by US brewers but you have to search out the brewpubs as they are most likely not bottled.

IMHO German Hefe's are the worst style out there as they have way to many phenolic compounds to really be enjoyable. . If you really want a good German wheat beer grab a Berliner Weisse!

As I said earlier, American wheat beers are not meant to be the same as German Hefe's as they are a different breed of beer that is sadly lumped into the same category because they both contain wheat.

Big differences other then yeast selection would be percentages of wheat and types of wheat used in the grist. German hefe's will have a higher percentage, usually in excess of 40%, of wheat as well a bit of rolled oats and probably contain white wheat verse red wheat found in a lot of American wheats which tend to stay below the 30% of wheat in the grist.

The reason for the differences? Wheat is high in proteins like beta glucans which when heated become very gummy (think oatmeal). German brewers use a decoction method to brew which includes a special rest at about 122-131F to break down the proteins where American brewers do what is known as an infusion mash.. Unless the brewer has the ability to apply heat to the mash tun they will not be able to do a protein rest. Since they will have to deal with the glucans they will use wheat lower in proteins as well a lower percentage in the grist.

Why is this? Because if the glucans gum up in the tun the brewer will have a difficult time lautering the sweet wort to the kettle. This will have an impact on the efficiency of the mash as well as time it takes to do this step. If the efficency drops even a few percent it equates to more grains to achieve the desired gravity. In smll brewerys it might only mean 20-30 bucks a batch nd in large beweries 100's per batch.

Obviously by using a different and less wheat in the bacth you will end up with a different beer. As well the different mash process used will have an effect on the end product. The decoction mash will involve pulling up to a third of the mash at a time and bringing it to a boil in a seperate kettle and then it is added back to the tun. This allows for the different rests at temps to achieve the desired result. In addition any time you heat something up you cause what is known as the Maillard reaction which will help form melanoidins in the finished product. This process will add color (think cooking steak, it turns from pink/red to brown) as well as help crmelize sugars giving the beer an addition of flavor.

An infusion mash does not acieve this as it is never brought about 172F. While the infusion mash's wort will undergo the same reaction in the kettle, the decoction mash will have about twice the amount of time to do so.

In the end all these affect the flavor & presentation of the beer. The German hefe will seem to be much bolder then it's American counterpart and the yeast will finish the transofrmation.

:lifter

Okay......that explains why I like the German hefe better! LOL

Great info Master Brewer!!! I second TR's request, put some names to recommended US. Hefes.

brewmonkey
10-11-2004, 15:02
For those in North Carolina you might check out Weeping Radish and for anyone in the Wisconsin area look for New Glarus Solstice Weiss. If you are down in Texas check out Live Oaks Hefe Weissen.

Since we are spread to the four corners here I would be glad to make suggestions. Just post with where you are located or PM me if you do not want it in the ckear and I will gladly make suggestions.

FILO
10-12-2004, 20:22
For those in North Carolina you might check out Weeping Radish and for anyone in the Wisconsin area look for New Glarus Solstice Weiss. If you are down in Texas check out Live Oaks Hefe Weissen.

Since we are spread to the four corners here I would be glad to make suggestions. Just post with where you are located or PM me if you do not want it in the ckear and I will gladly make suggestions.

Ct-NYC area.

brewmonkey
10-13-2004, 06:32
Ct-NYC area.


Look for Southampton Bavarian Wheat from the Southampton Publick House

http://www.publick.com/

Brooklyner Wiesse from Brooklyn Brewery

http://www.brooklynbrewery.com/

There is also a brewery in CT called City Steam that makes a Weizen but I have not had it so I cannot vouch for it. There is also a brewery in Syracuse IIRC called Empire brewing company that makes a Weizen that is a good one, but I have heard they may not be brewing it any longer.

This is a great time of the year to look for them though. Even though it is a traditional time of the year for Oktober fests & Alts good portion of the brewers will throw on a Hefe for good measure.

FILO
10-13-2004, 07:44
There is also a brewery in CT called City Steam that makes a Weizen but I have not had it so I cannot vouch for it. There is also a brewery in Syracuse IIRC called Empire brewing company that makes a Weizen that is a good one, but I have heard they may not be brewing it any longer.

.

The Empire Brewery had some very good beers. As you indicated they originated out of Syracuse but subsequently opened up a couple of Brew Pubs in other upstate cities. I used to patronize their brew pub in Rochester and in fact had a very good weizen there one night after a Rochester Red Wing game (AAA baseball). It was one of the very few American weizens that I found that was comparable to the German varieties. Unfortunately they closed their Rochester brew pub, which was located on Lake Avenue across from Kodak Headquarters and the ballpark. Also I don't know if they are still brewing the weizen in their Syracuse pub. However, I have some business up that way next month and I might stop in and check it out.

I appreciate the recommendations and will partake. :)

DanUCSB
10-13-2004, 12:23
I was down at my favorite local establishment last night, shooting a game of pool, and a Mr. Paul Wright came in to trade out some kegs. Got to talking to him, as he turns out to be the master brewer down at Island Brewing (a local outfit). I complimented him on my favorite (Island Jubilee) and we chatted for a while about brewing and running the business and everything. I was quite impressed.

Weazle23
10-17-2004, 00:17
OK, I have to get in on this thread.
It seems Bill and I, both being from the great Pacific Northwest (Tacoma, Wa) have similar tastes in brews. I can vouch for the Moose Drool, as well as Alaskan Amber and Newport's Rogue Dead Guy Ale. I have to add to my list, Fat Tire's Amber Ale and Tacoma's own Puget Sound Porter brewed at the Harmon Brewery and Pub right downtown.

A couple of months ago I arrived here in North Carolina and was very pleasently surprised when I found Red Hook's ESB (a Seattle area company) as well as Windmere's Hefeweisen (Portland, Or) in the local store, however, not found often. It seems the most common beer that passes as "good beer" here IMHO is Killian's Irsih Red, which I definately enjoy, but I miss the varity I commonly found back home. Although, NC has enriched my beer exerience with my new favorite import: England's John Courage, which Iv'e only found at a small bar called The Highlander.

Now I must humbly apologize for mentioning more than 5 brews, but each one had to be named. Now where did I set my beer down...?

DanUCSB
10-17-2004, 00:32
I have to second the Fat Tire Amber Ale... probably the best mass-market beer I know of. It's been interesting to watch it spread over the last couple years, from being a beer I could only get in Colorado/Nevada, to being available everywhere in the West save, ::sigh::, Santa Barbara.

brewmonkey
10-17-2004, 05:47
Both Red Hook and Widmer have sold large stakes (less then 49%) of their companies to Anheuser Bush in exchange for nationwide distribution on the AB network. Red Hook is ok but their ESB has bit to much diacetyl (buttery notes) for me. Widmer mkes some good beer and I think their Hefe s probably their market leader.

New Belgium (maker of Flat Tire) has some great beers other then the FT. The FT is ok and is probably a good jumping off beer but for those who have been drinking it for years they wil have noticed that it seems to have been dummied down as the popularity of it grew. NBB is also an awesome company and last I heard they were running the brewery on 100% wind power. They also take very good care of their employees and have a VERY LOW turnover rate s well they have a program where they set aside $1 for every barrel of beer they sell (1bbl = 2 kegs). When it comes time to donate that money they have a meeting with the employees who determine where it goes.

The Reaper
10-17-2004, 07:21
OK, I have to get in on this thread.
It seems Bill and I, both being from the great Pacific Northwest (Tacoma, Wa) have similar tastes in brews. I can vouch for the Moose Drool, as well as Alaskan Amber and Newport's Rogue Dead Guy Ale. I have to add to my list, Fat Tire's Amber Ale and Tacoma's own Puget Sound Porter brewed at the Harmon Brewery and Pub right downtown.

A couple of months ago I arrived here in North Carolina and was very pleasently surprised when I found Red Hook's ESB (a Seattle area company) as well as Windmere's Hefeweisen (Portland, Or) in the local store, however, not found often. It seems the most common beer that passes as "good beer" here IMHO is Killian's Irsih Red, which I definately enjoy, but I miss the varity I commonly found back home. Although, NC has enriched my beer exerience with my new favorite import: England's John Courage, which Iv'e only found at a small bar called The Highlander.

Now I must humbly apologize for mentioning more than 5 brews, but each one had to be named. Now where did I set my beer down...?

Killians is Coors, IIRC.

Red Hook is on tap in many establishments here.

If it is still open, Bob's Wine Shop/The Office Tavern used to serve the best selection of beer in town.

TR

brewmonkey
10-17-2004, 07:57
Killians is indeed a product brewed by the Coors family as is the "Blue Moon" line of beers.

SP5IC
10-17-2004, 10:37
Nothing beats a pint of Guinness draft in any pub in Ireland.

Weazle23
10-17-2004, 12:31
Nothing beats a pint of Guinness draft in any pub in Ireland.

That is one experience on my To Do In My Life list.

I was wondering how Windmere and Red Hook got picked up way out here. Makes sense. AB needs to get Pyramid on that distribution list as well.

So Killians is Coors? I'm not familiar with the "Blue Moon" line. What's that like?

brewmonkey
10-17-2004, 14:14
That is one experience on my To Do In My Life list.

I was wondering how Windmere and Red Hook got picked up way out here. Makes sense. AB needs to get Pyramid on that distribution list as well.

So Killians is Coors? I'm not familiar with the "Blue Moon" line. What's that like?


Pyramid is expanding across the states slowly but surely. Blue Moon makes a few different beers but they are most noticed for their Belgian Wit (White) which is another wheat beer except it is generally made with unmalted wheat and has spices like Bitter & Sweet orange peel as well as coriander added during the boil. Better Belgian Wit's would be from Hooegarden in Belgium and some are avialable in the states under the Hooegarden name.

DanUCSB
10-17-2004, 14:50
I enjoy Blue Moon (hard to find in Cali), but it's not something I could drink every day. It's very smooth and middling sweet, and, for me at least, tastes pretty strongly of blueberries, which I gather are not in the ingredients. :)

(See, Brewmonkey gave you the technical bits; you get the subjectivity from me.) ;)

Sully
10-21-2004, 18:08
That is one experience on my To Do In My Life list.

I was wondering how Windmere and Red Hook got picked up way out here...
I've bought Red Hook ESB & IPA at a liquor store here in Japan before. It costs damn near $20 a six-pack though, so it's not a regular - or even irregular - purchase.