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Queue Homer Simpson: D'oh! :rolleyes:
Law-school suit tossed
By DAREH GREGORIAN
Last Updated: 5:00 AM, March 22, 2012
A Manhattan judge has a current-events lesson for a group of New York Law School students who sued their alma mater after failing to land high-paying jobs — there’s a recession going on.
Justice Melvin Schweitzer tossed the suit by nine NYLS graduates, saying, “The issues posed by this case exemplify the adage that not every ailment afflicting society may be redressed by a lawsuit.
“The action here is brought by nine plaintiffs, some of whom may be experiencing the real aftershocks that have hit the legal profession since America’s Great Recession of 2008,” he wrote.
“They entered law school with the most optimistic of expectations, and instead find themselves without work and competing in a logjam of young lawyers, none of whom have any experience to offer employers.”
He disagreed with their contention that NYLS vastly overinflated employment statistics for its graduates — the school said 90 to 95 percent had a job within nine months, while the plaintiffs said the true number was closer to 50 percent.
Schweitzer said their job issues aren’t the school’s responsibility.
The lawyer for the graduates, David Anziska, said, “We intend to appeal.”
“Moreover,” he added, “we fully intend to soldier on and to sue many more law schools in the forthcoming weeks and months.”
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/law_school_suit_tossed_CA8UEYnebKMjN3gsMeXtwJ
Streck-Fu
03-22-2012, 10:06
“Moreover,” he added, “we fully intend to soldier on and to sue many more law schools in the forthcoming weeks and months.”
LOL.....vomit.......LOL......vomit.....
I love the irony, though.
Badger52
03-22-2012, 10:28
LOL.....vomit.......LOL......vomit.....
I love the irony, though.I like the way they're stepping up to solve their own problem - that whole kluge should mean a spike in lawyer employment numbers. Nice job, barristers.
:rolleyes:
Streck-Fu
03-22-2012, 10:33
I like the way they're stepping up to solve their own problem - that whole kluge should mean a spike in lawyer employment numbers. Nice job, barristers.
:rolleyes:
David Anziska should hire the unemployed grads to be legal aides in suing the schools. Typical lawyer, eat their own....(No offense to Rogue unless he likes to snack on junior lawyers.... ;) ).
Badger52
03-22-2012, 11:53
(No offense to Rogue unless he likes to snack on junior lawyers.... ;) ).Maybe they're crunchy & taste like chicken. :D
David Anziska should hire the unemployed grads to be legal aides in suing the schools.
He would have to wait until after he was successful in suing their school, otherwise he would blow his own case.....them now being employed and all :rolleyes:
Roguish Lawyer
03-22-2012, 13:40
:rolleyes: :D
Wow, cannabalism...sharks eating sharks...:munchin
This oughta be good...
Roguish Lawyer
03-22-2012, 17:13
Can I sue my school for preparing me to get the job I have now?
Dozer523
03-22-2012, 17:22
Can I sue my school for preparing me to get the job I have now?Can I sue a school if their alumni goofs up my case? deeper pockets.
The Reaper
03-22-2012, 18:22
U.S. student loans were announced today to be a total of $1,000,000,000,000.
Yes, ONE TRILLION dollars.
Makes me wonder how all of those liberal arts majors will pay that back. Probably explains why they are camping out at the Occupy protests, along with the homeless.
Everyone does NOT need to go to college.:rolleyes:
TR
U.S. student loans were announced today to be a total of $1,000,000,000,000.
Yes, ONE TRILLION dollars.
Makes me wonder how all of those liberal arts majors will pay that back. Probably explains why they are camping out at the Occupy protests, along with the homeless.
Everyone does NOT need to go to college.:rolleyes:
TR
And if you think you have to go to college, then please do not expect me and everyone else that works for a living to pay for YOUR education! The University of Northern Iowa is cutting 58 acedemic programs in order to meet its budget, they are all relatively small programs with low graduation rates. Naturally these cuts have resulted in a storm of protests. Under grad courses axed included geology, German and French. This leaves me to wonder if any other schools teach these subjects?
Everyone does NOT need to go to college.:rolleyes:
TR
I couldn't agree more. Education is a great thing but for some not necessary.
Heck I only have a Highschool education.
1. Retired From the Military
2. Worked as a Program Manager For Lockheed Martin
3. Started and small business over 15 years ago and continue to run it to date and it's still growing.
I'm just a dumb old redneck that's determined is all.
Team Sergeant
03-23-2012, 08:14
Yeah, the reason they are attempting this is because it's already worked once.....;) Having attended Le Cordon Bleu I'd agree they oversell their education, but who doesn't? I'd also say that obtaining the loan is too easy for the IQ challenged. In my opinion 90% of the individuals I worked with would have been better off flipping burgers at the local fast food joint. Most didn't care about their grades, their work, their appearance, homework etc. I'd say a very small number graduate with 3.5 GPA or higher. Just as in life you get out of it what you put into it.....
9/6/2011 2:40:00 PM
$40M offered to disgruntled Le Cordon Bleu grads
Schaumburg-based Career Education Corp.'s Le Cordon Bleu chain of for-profit cooking schools is coming under fire for its marketing practices as its graduates struggle to find culinary jobs and pay off their hefty student loans.
Food enthusiasts have been enrolling in culinary school in growing numbers, lured by dreams of working as gourmet chefs or opening their own restaurants.
For many graduates, however, those dreams have turned into financial nightmares, as they struggle to pay off hefty student loans and find work in a cutthroat industry known for its long hours and low pay.
Now, some former students are suing for-profit cooking schools to get their money back, saying they were misled by recruiters about the value of culinary education and their job prospects after graduation.
“They just oversold it and pushed it. They made misleading statements to lure you in,” said Emily Journey, 26, a plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit against San Francisco's California Culinary Academy, part of Schaumburg-based Career Education Corp.'s chain of 17 Le Cordon Bleu cooking schools.
Journey, however, may get some of her money back. Under a pending $40 million settlement in state court, Career Education has agreed to offer rebates up to $20,000 to 8,500 students who attended the academy between 2003 and 2008.
Associated Press
http://dhbusinessledger.com/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=29&ArticleID=3121
My youngest son was a "Liberal Arts" major - Fine Arts (Art History and Illustration) with a minor in Biology and a Teaching Certification.
I let him know that I would pay for 1/2 of his college but he would have to pay for the other 1/2. He did - by working, earning academic grants, and FSA.
Due to the hiring freezes and teacher RIFs over the last two years, especially in the so-called 'extra-curricular' areas (e.g., the arts), finding a teaching position is extremely difficult.
However, he co-manages a retail electronics store @ $13/hr, lives on his own, pays his own bills, is repaying his FSA loans and has not missed a payment, and is still looking for a better job. He is also looking into the UTSouthwestern Medical School's MA program for Biomedical Communications - Medical Illustration.
Those loans are important - and so is paying them back.
As my Dad used to tell people when they'd express concern over my brothers and I if we were struggling with something - "They'll figure it out." ;)
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Ret10Echo
03-23-2012, 09:38
My child's school had a 94% placement rate in either a job or graduate program last year (Class of 2011).
The school accepts NO Federal dollars....
I agree that not everyone needs to attend a 4-year college. But those that do should have to sweat a bit getting through. If it was easy, it either wasn't worth doing or you weren't trying.
I couldn't agree more. Education is a great thing but for some not necessary.
Heck I only have a Highschool education.
1. Retired From the Military
2. Worked as a Program Manager For Lockheed Martin
3. Started and small business over 15 years ago and continue to run it to date and it's still growing.
I'm just a dumb old redneck that's determined is all.
FWIW, I agree. High school only as well. Worked corporate summer jobs while my friends partied, built up my resume. Sat for several information security certifications over the years which helped as well. Still have someone else signing my paychecks, but I like were I am and who I work with. All in all, its a means to an end, puts bread on the table so I can see my family at the end of the day.
Speaking of young lawyers, I have a few friends that are. Some are working their asses off at crappy jobs for even crappier managers, building up experience, and putting bread on the table and actively looking for something better to come along. While some are on the .gov trough, waiting for that dream job their professors told them about to fall in their lap, complaining about how hard not working is... :rolleyes:
And so it goes... (Thanks Richard - now if you had a penny for every.... :D )
My .0002
Badger52
03-23-2012, 14:15
My youngest son was a "Liberal Arts" major - Fine Arts (Art History and Illustration) with a minor in Biology and a Teaching Certification.
I let him know that I would pay for 1/2 of his college but he would have to pay for the other 1/2. He did - by working, earning academic grants, and FSA.
Due to the hiring freezes and teacher RIFs over the last two years, especially in the so-called 'extra-curricular' areas (e.g., the arts), finding a teaching position is extremely difficult.
However, he co-manages a retail electronics store @ $13/hr, lives on his own, pays his own bills, is repaying his FSA loans and has not missed a payment, and is still looking for a better job. He is also looking into the UTSouthwestern Medical School's MA program for Biomedical Communications - Medical Illustration.
Those loans are important - and so is paying them back.
As my Dad used to tell people when they'd express concern over my brothers and I if we were struggling with something - "They'll figure it out." ;)
And so it goes...
Richard :munchinThis type of thing gladdens my heart when so many conveniently forget the other side of the loan coin. Not being condescending here; I congratulate & thank your son for his focus and actions. Each individual instance of that is something to be celebrated, even though it seems in other generations not paying them back wouldn't even enter the discussion.
Well done sir; your son has his head screwed on right.