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Talk about bias, labeling and discrimination...I had hopes the likes of David Duke would have been accompanied by King Shabazz and Louie Farrakahn....they even called them 'White people' instead of the appropriate term Caucasian.
Thirty-six white people were used in the study, with half getting propranolol and the other half getting a placebo. Researchers then used a feeling thermometer to rate how “warm” they felt toward different groups.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/13/study-finds-heart-disease-drug-combats-racism/
More race baiting from the corporate media, that never happens.:rolleyes:
Dozer523
03-14-2012, 06:32
What a waste of time and effort. While at IOBC in 1979 a bunch of walked into a soul food restaurant in Phoenix City and got "treated".
Hey, cool! Give it to all those haters like the followers of Derrick Bell and Farrakhan, then.
Land sakes! Wonder if you could use estrogen treatment to cut down on the He-Man Woman Haters like Limbaugh and his ilk, too?
(Not the liberal woman-haters, though-they're just comedians.)
More race baiting from the corporate media, that never happens.:rolleyes:
Here's another link (http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_m11/propranolol-drug-racial.html#findmore) with a more in depth explanation of what happened and the concerns of some.
All joking aside this could be the first step in getting racism classified in the DSM, and like ADHD this diagnosis would bring in a windfall of cash to the psychiatric and pharmaceutical industries.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128799&page=1#.T2CUxfX2U8A
Here's another link (http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_m11/propranolol-drug-racial.html#findmore) with a more in depth explanation of what happened and the concerns of some.
All joking aside this could be the first step in getting racism classified in the DSM, and like ADHD this diagnosis would bring in a windfall of cash to the psychiatric and pharmaceutical industries.
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=128799&page=1#.T2CUxfX2U8A
lol Not so fast. You're referring to a study which included 36 whites.
You get a cluster of New Black Panthers or some Nation of Islamites to do it, then we'll see what happens.
Or is "racism" now defined as only practiced by whites?
wait a minute...think this through: if us crackers can get this classified as a "disease" under the DSMV, the gravy train will park in our driveway as nothing would be our "our fault". Its the fault of government and we'll need Gubmint assistance; preferred admissions in elite schools and colleges; job preferences; contract set-asides for us poor racist, ignorant crackers; never having to admit that we might just be a stupid, ignorant cracker lacking a work ethic as everything will be someone else's fault. We won't have to produce; can't be fired and can coast to the highest positions of government based upon "cracker-heritage" alone. Our wife can get her pay tripled for a no-show job.
Wow...the possibilities are endless. :lifter
PedOncoDoc
03-14-2012, 11:18
I just read the full research manuscript and, although the research tools are (apparently) valid, I'm not impressed that the conclusions are supported by the small number of patients. Propranolol is a beta-blocker, a medicine that blockes the effects of epinephrine/norepinephrine (think adrenaline). Low heart rate is one of the dose-limiting effects of propranolol as a blood pressure medication, hence the "significantly lowered heart rate" in the link in the OP.
The researchers gave patients either propranolol (the adrenaline blocking medicine) or a placebo (sugar pill) and asked them to report their "feelings" towards pictures of people from other races and/or religions and towards words associated with people of other ethnicity/religion. The findings rely on the hypothesis that subliminal cues from adrenaline affect your gut-reaction opinion of others.
I'm not familiar with the methods used, but they are apparently validated tools in their field of research. I also don't think they tested enough patients to make any clear conclusions.
I also think the work would be more validated if they included study participants from multiple ethnicities and religions and found the same results from minority participants when they see pictures and/or words related to those from outside their ethnicity/religion. It would also be an interesting finding if people from within the minority group had a similar reaction to people from their own minority.
Streck-Fu
03-14-2012, 11:25
Or is "racism" now defined as only practiced by whites?
Isn't that the definition the media and politicians have always used?
Propranolol is a beta-blocker, a medicine that blockes the effects of epinephrine/norepinephrine (think adrenaline).
If so then it would work for just about any situation that results in less than "warm fuzzy feelings" wouldn't it? Like seeing a spouse cheat on you, or catching the neighbor's dog pooping on your lawn. How does this medication prove anything except it dulls a person's reaction to something?
Should we give it to everyone in need of a warm fuzzy?
Susan
PedOncoDoc
03-14-2012, 11:51
If so then it would work for just about any situation that results in less than "warm fuzzy feelings" wouldn't it? Like seeing a spouse cheat on you, or catching the neighbor's dog pooping on your lawn. How does this medication prove anything except it dulls a person's reaction to something?
Should we give it to everyone in need of a warm fuzzy?
Susan
Part of why I'm not buying the science. All they are saying is it blunts the negative emotion associated with a picture and/or words. They do mention there was no statistically significant delay in response time after taking propranolol.
You could probably find a similar effect to positive emotional cues as well - a wink or compliment from a cute gal, for example, but I doubt that study will be performed.
Kyobanim
03-14-2012, 12:52
Probably get the same results if you gave them some pot to smoke
Probably get the same results if you gave them some pot to smoke
.................going to say that.
PedOncoDoc
03-14-2012, 14:25
Probably get the same results if you gave them some pot to smoke
I'd have to disagree - I've seen some people get quite paranoid after smoking pot. If you gave them a few beers, however... :munchin
lol Not so fast. You're referring to a study which included 36 whites.
You get a cluster of New Black Panthers or some Nation of Islamites to do it, then we'll see what happens.
Or is "racism" now defined as only practiced by whites?
Considering that it is justified for King Shabazz sings songs about killing white babies, harasses people at the polls and Calypso Louie rants about killing Jews and Whites..........Based on MSM coverage and our Governments Policies I believe it is pretty apparent that White People must be in the need for a fix'n and their judgement day is fast approaching.
So one could assume that since the 'experiment' was exclusive to 'White People' that White People are the main, if not the sole perpetrators of racism throughout the world.....why else would you not include a broader demographic of people. And based on the experiment, IF the pharmaceutical companies can come up with the right pill the Evil White Man and his racists thoughts can be brought under control.
Better give this cat a triple dose, then:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Samuel-L-Jackson-I-Voted-Obama-hes-black.html
Actor Samuel L. Jackson has admitted that he became a supporter of Barack Obama in 2008 because of his race.
In an interview for Ebony magazine's March issue, the Oscar-nominated screen legend says his decision to vote for Mr Obama was nothing to do with his political beliefs.
'I voted for Barack because he was black. 'Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them,' Mr Jackson told the magazine, according to the New York Post.
Politics aside: In an interview with Ebony Magazine actor Samuel L. Jackson said he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008 only because he's black
'That’s American politics, pure and simple,' he said. [Obama’s] message didn’t mean **** to me. In the end, he’s a politician. I just hoped he would do some of what he said he was gonna do.
'I know politicians say ****; they lie. 'Cuz they want to get elected.'
While discussing Mr Obama's chances of re-election, Mr Jackson launched into a profanity-laden rant, repeatedly using the N-word.
The actor has defended his use of the charged racial epithet by saying that it was used at home while he was growing up.
Performance: Contrasting with the Ebony interview of favoring the president without political agendas, Mr Jackson told Newsweek in January that he weighs Mr Obama's job performance on his handing of the poor
'When it comes down to it, they wouldn’t have elected a n*****,' he said. 'Because what’s a n*****? A n***** is scary.
'Obama ain’t scary at all. N****** don’t have beers at the White House. N****** don’t let some white dude, while you in the middle of a speech, call [him] a liar. A n***** would have stopped the meeting right there and said, "Who the **** said that?"
'I hope Obama gets scary in the next four years,' Mr Jackson added, 'cuz he ain’t gotta worry about getting re-elected.'
In a separate interview with Newsweek published in January, the actor said he has mixed feelings about the President's performance so far.
Rally: Attending Mr Obama's Inaugural ceremony in 2008, Mr Jackson was one of many rallying celebrities for the black politician
'Some days I agree with Dr. [Cornel] West and what he says about the President not dealing enough with the plight of the poor,' Mr Jackson said in the Newsweek interview.
'Then I think about how they won’t give him credit for anything... The President got about a week of moderate applause for capturing the most-wanted man in the world,' he said in reference to Osama bin Laden.
'You ask me, he should have put that mother****** on ice and defrosted his ass November 1.'
In President Obama's first campaign for presidency in 2008, Mr Jackson was one of many celebrities who rallied behind him, and even skipped an Oscar award ceremony specifically to campaign for the candidate.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Samuel-L-Jackson-I-Voted-Obama-hes-black.html#ixzz1p8Yrw8TY
John_Chrichton
03-14-2012, 17:52
Talk about bias, labeling and discrimination...I had hopes the likes of David Duke would have been accompanied by King Shabazz and Louie Farrakahn....they even called them 'White people' instead of the appropriate term Caucasian.
What's wrong with that? Didn't you know that the International Panel on Climate Change recently established the fact that only "white people" are capable of racism.
Will ObamaCare cover/mandate this drug for all "white people"? Find out after the election!
The actor has defended his use of the charged racial epithet by saying that it was used at home while he was growing up.
That sounds like his green lighting the broad use of that epithet.....IF you heard it as a kid. WOW! Nothing like lowering the bar....
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Appears like Sammy L doesn't think much about Dr. Kings wish... That is sad, it is acceptable but it is truly sad.
I wonder what would be said if a White person didn't vote for Obama because of his color or they didn't vote for Romney because he was a Mormon?
Will ObamaCare cover/mandate this drug for all "white people"? Find out after the election!
I am quite sure the former Kansas Governor Sebelius is already cracking the whip in side DHHS for funding and the legalese to make it happen.
ddoering
03-15-2012, 04:38
Better give this cat a triple dose, then:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Samuel-L-Jackson-I-Voted-Obama-hes-black.html
Actor Samuel L. Jackson has admitted that he became a supporter of Barack Obama in 2008 because of his race.
In an interview for Ebony magazine's March issue, the Oscar-nominated screen legend says his decision to vote for Mr Obama was nothing to do with his political beliefs.
'I voted for Barack because he was black. 'Cuz that’s why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them,' Mr Jackson told the magazine, according to the New York Post.
Politics aside: In an interview with Ebony Magazine actor Samuel L. Jackson said he voted for President Barack Obama in 2008 only because he's black
'That’s American politics, pure and simple,' he said. [Obama’s] message didn’t mean **** to me. In the end, he’s a politician. I just hoped he would do some of what he said he was gonna do.
'I know politicians say ****; they lie. 'Cuz they want to get elected.'
While discussing Mr Obama's chances of re-election, Mr Jackson launched into a profanity-laden rant, repeatedly using the N-word.
The actor has defended his use of the charged racial epithet by saying that it was used at home while he was growing up.
Performance: Contrasting with the Ebony interview of favoring the president without political agendas, Mr Jackson told Newsweek in January that he weighs Mr Obama's job performance on his handing of the poor
'When it comes down to it, they wouldn’t have elected a n*****,' he said. 'Because what’s a n*****? A n***** is scary.
'Obama ain’t scary at all. N****** don’t have beers at the White House. N****** don’t let some white dude, while you in the middle of a speech, call [him] a liar. A n***** would have stopped the meeting right there and said, "Who the **** said that?"
'I hope Obama gets scary in the next four years,' Mr Jackson added, 'cuz he ain’t gotta worry about getting re-elected.'
In a separate interview with Newsweek published in January, the actor said he has mixed feelings about the President's performance so far.
Rally: Attending Mr Obama's Inaugural ceremony in 2008, Mr Jackson was one of many rallying celebrities for the black politician
'Some days I agree with Dr. [Cornel] West and what he says about the President not dealing enough with the plight of the poor,' Mr Jackson said in the Newsweek interview.
'Then I think about how they won’t give him credit for anything... The President got about a week of moderate applause for capturing the most-wanted man in the world,' he said in reference to Osama bin Laden.
'You ask me, he should have put that mother****** on ice and defrosted his ass November 1.'
In President Obama's first campaign for presidency in 2008, Mr Jackson was one of many celebrities who rallied behind him, and even skipped an Oscar award ceremony specifically to campaign for the candidate.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Samuel-L-Jackson-I-Voted-Obama-hes-black.html#ixzz1p8Yrw8TY
Perhaps they should spend more time on developing a pill to cure stupid.
Badger52
03-15-2012, 07:04
I wonder what would be said if a White person didn't vote for Obama because of his color...There have been plenty of white media strokers for the last 3 years (with the guilt necklace they put on each morning) tossing out the same vile krap.
They don't realize that they may be the last to feel the panga but feel it they will when they're not needed. Unlike Samuel L. Jackson, they're not one of Holder's "my people."
There have been plenty of white media strokers for the last 3 years (with the guilt necklace they put on each morning) tossing out the same vile krap.
They don't realize that they may be the last to feel the panga but feel it they will when they're not needed. Unlike Samuel L. Jackson, they're not one of Holder's "my people."
Jackson is outspoken, and may be the rule rather than the exception in terms of how AA's feel about Obama.
If that's the case, they'll stay away from the polling booths in droves, this time, 'cause poor li'l ol' Barry Soetero just didn't turn out to be like the President in Fifth Element.
Some people learn the hard way; take these kids who are being "taught" nowadays by Chamberlainesque "educators" that you don't need to win, so you don't need a trophy when the game's over. They're coming into the reality of the world, and learning that milquetoast liberalism isn't any good for running a Country or putting meat on the table.
The only thing that will save us from ruin is a transfusion of Conservatism, if it's not already too late.
1stindoor
03-15-2012, 08:04
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100210/Samuel-L-Jackson-I-Voted-Obama-hes-black.html
'You ask me, he should have put that mother****** on ice and defrosted his ass November 1.'
I thought they defrosted him just in time...any longer and it might have looked staged.
In an Aesop sort of sense, it seems to me like this is but an on-going race to either declare or deny humankind's long-documented penchant for being influenced by some "-ism" of one sort or another...and to me there still seems to be a whole lot of hares and few tortoises involved.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
In an Aesop sort of sense, it seems to me like this is but an on-going race to either declare or deny humankind's long-documented penchant for being influenced by some "-ism" of one sort or another...and to me there still seems to be a whole lot of hares and few tortoises involved.
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Yeah, well the Crow and the Snake comes to mind in this case, Sir Richard.
Manipulating morals: scientists target drugs that improve behaviour
Researchers say morality treatments could be used instead of prison and might even help humanity tackle global issues
Amelia Hill
guardian.co.uk, Monday 4 April 2011 11.23 EDT
Existing drugs such as Prozac are already known to affect moral behaviour, but scientists predict that advances may allow more sophisticated manipulations. Photograph: Scott Camazine/Alamy
A pill to enhance moral behaviour, a treatment for racist thoughts, a therapy to increase your empathy for people in other countries - these may sound like the stuff of science fiction but with medicine getting closer to altering our moral state, society should be preparing for the consequences, according to a book that reviews scientific developments in the field.
Drugs such as Prozac that alter a patient's mental state already have an impact on moral behaviour, but scientists predict that future medical advances may allow much more sophisticated manipulations.
The field is in its infancy, but "it's very far from being science fiction", said Dr Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner.
"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate," he said. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."
Researchers have become very interested in developing biomedical technologies capable of intervening in the biological processes that affect moral behaviour and moral thinking, according to Dr Tom Douglas, a Wellcome Trust research fellow at Oxford University's Uehiro Centre. "It is a very hot area of scientific study right now."
He is co-author of Enhancing Human Capacities, published on Monday, which includes a chapter on moral enhancement.
Drugs that affect our moral thinking and behaviour already exist, but we tend not to think of them in that way. [Prozac] lowers aggression and bitterness against environment and so could be said to make people more agreeable. Or Oxytocin, the so-called love hormone ... increases feelings of social bonding and empathy while reducing anxiety," he said.
"Scientists will develop more of these drugs and create new ways of taking drugs we already know about. We can already, for example, take prescribed doses of Oxytocin as a nasal spray," he said.
But would pharmacologically-induced altruism, for example, amount to genuine moral behaviour? Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner, said: "We can change people's emotional responses but quite whether that improves their moral behaviour is not something science can answer."
He also admitted that it was unlikely people would "rush to take a pill that would make them morally better.
"Becoming more trusting, nicer, less aggressive and less violent can make you more vulnerable to exploitation," he said. "On the other hand, it could improve your relationships or help your career."
Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply, but he suggests that if administered widely they might help humanity to tackle global issues.
"Relating to the plight of people on other side of the world or of future generations is not in our nature," he said. "This new body of drugs could make possible feelings of global affiliation and of abstract empathy for future generations."
Ruud ter Meulen, chair in ethics in medicine and director of the centre for ethics in medicine at the University of Bristol, warned that while some drugs can improve moral behaviour, other drugs - and sometimes the same ones - can have the opposite effect.
"While Oxytocin makes you more likely to trust and co-operate with others in your social group, it reduces empathy for those outside the group," Meulen said.
The use of deep brain stimulation, used to help those with Parkinson's disease, has had unintended consequences, leading to cases where patients begin stealing from shops and even becoming sexually aggressive, he added.
"Basic moral behaviour is to be helpful to others, feel responsible to others, have a sense of solidarity and sense of justice," he said. "I'm not sure that drugs can ever achieve this. But there's no question that they can make us more likeable, more social, less aggressive, more open attitude to other people," he said.
Meulen also suggested that moral-enhancement drugs might be used in the criminal justice system. "These drugs will be more effective in prevention and cure than prison," he said.
Researchers say morality treatments could be used instead of prison and might even help humanity tackle global issues
Existing drugs such as Prozac are already known to affect moral behaviour, but scientists predict that advances may allow more sophisticated manipulations. Photograph: Scott Camazine/Alamy
A pill to enhance moral behaviour, a treatment for racist thoughts, a therapy to increase your empathy for people in other countries - these may sound like the stuff of science fiction but with medicine getting closer to altering our moral state, society should be preparing for the consequences, according to a book that reviews scientific developments in the field.
Drugs such as Prozac that alter a patient's mental state already have an impact on moral behaviour, but scientists predict that future medical advances may allow much more sophisticated manipulations.
The field is in its infancy, but "it's very far from being science fiction", said Dr Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner.
"Science has ignored the question of moral improvement so far, but it is now becoming a big debate," he said. "There is already a growing body of research you can describe in these terms. Studies show that certain drugs affect the ways people respond to moral dilemmas by increasing their sense of empathy, group affiliation and by reducing aggression."
Researchers have become very interested in developing biomedical technologies capable of intervening in the biological processes that affect moral behaviour and moral thinking, according to Dr Tom Douglas, a Wellcome Trust research fellow at Oxford University's Uehiro Centre. "It is a very hot area of scientific study right now."
He is co-author of Enhancing Human Capacities, published on Monday, which includes a chapter on moral enhancement.
Drugs that affect our moral thinking and behaviour already exist, but we tend not to think of them in that way. [Prozac] lowers aggression and bitterness against environment and so could be said to make people more agreeable. Or Oxytocin, the so-called love hormone ... increases feelings of social bonding and empathy while reducing anxiety," he said.
"Scientists will develop more of these drugs and create new ways of taking drugs we already know about. We can already, for example, take prescribed doses of Oxytocin as a nasal spray," he said.
But would pharmacologically-induced altruism, for example, amount to genuine moral behaviour? Guy Kahane, deputy director of the Oxford Centre for Neuroethics and a Wellcome Trust biomedical ethics award winner, said: "We can change people's emotional responses but quite whether that improves their moral behaviour is not something science can answer."
He also admitted that it was unlikely people would "rush to take a pill that would make them morally better.
"Becoming more trusting, nicer, less aggressive and less violent can make you more vulnerable to exploitation," he said. "On the other hand, it could improve your relationships or help your career."
Kahane does not advocate putting morality drugs in the water supply, but he suggests that if administered widely they might help humanity to tackle global issues.
"Relating to the plight of people on other side of the world or of future generations is not in our nature," he said. "This new body of drugs could make possible feelings of global affiliation and of abstract empathy for future generations."
Ruud ter Meulen, chair in ethics in medicine and director of the centre for ethics in medicine at the University of Bristol, warned that while some drugs can improve moral behaviour, other drugs - and sometimes the same ones - can have the opposite effect.
"While Oxytocin makes you more likely to trust and co-operate with others in your social group, it reduces empathy for those outside the group," Meulen said.
The use of deep brain stimulation, used to help those with Parkinson's disease, has had unintended consequences, leading to cases where patients begin stealing from shops and even becoming sexually aggressive, he added.
"Basic moral behaviour is to be helpful to others, feel responsible to others, have a sense of solidarity and sense of justice," he said. "I'm not sure that drugs can ever achieve this. But there's no question that they can make us more likeable, more social, less aggressive, more open attitude to other people," he said.
Meulen also suggested that moral-enhancement drugs might be used in the criminal justice system. "These drugs will be more effective in prevention and cure than prison," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/apr/04/morality-drugs-improve-ethical-behaviour
Badger52
03-15-2012, 11:58
If that's the case, they'll stay away from the polling booths in droves, this time, 'cause poor li'l ol' Barry Soetero just didn't turn out to be like the President in Fifth Element.From what I see on some city streets (when I have to be in one) he didn't even succeed in getting his "bro's" to "pull up yer damn pants..."
Yep and Celebrex is a much safer drug than Loritab when taken as directed too...
Interesting what some people spend their time on. Lithium as well as other bipolar drugs would probably work better...for less money.
bs
More race baiting from the corporate media[....]Is that where the baiting is coming from?
I have been taking Propranolol for three years in fact ever since Obama was elected. It was prescribed to help me cope with migraine headaches, evidently the drug treats a myriad of ailments. But I must admit in my case to having negative reactions whenever I see the annointed one on tv or in the papers, same goes for seeing his atty. general, the vp, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi etc. etc.
My migraine symptoms on the other hand are much improved.
I have been taking Propranolol for three years in fact ever since Obama was elected. It was prescribed to help me cope with migraine headaches, evidently the drug treats a myriad of ailments. But I must admit in my case to having negative reactions whenever I see the annointed one on tv or in the papers, same goes for seeing his atty. general, the vp, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi etc. etc.
My migraine symptoms on the other hand are much improved.
Don't confuse a migraine with horse sense. ;)
"Don't confuse a migraine with horse sense"...sounds like there is a possible connection based on the timeline.
cbtengr your migraine's may disappear when there's a new potus!
I can envision the article in the New England Journal of Medicine........ a recently completed study a year after the defeat of B.O. leads researchers to conclude that Obama was the primary cause of the bulk of the migraines here in the U.S for a period beginning with his election in 08 and ending miraculously with his defeat in 2012.
I can envision the article in the New England Journal of Medicine........ a recently completed study a year after the defeat of B.O. leads researchers to conclude that Obama was the primary cause of the bulk of the migraines here in the U.S for a period beginning with his election in 08 and ending miraculously with his defeat in 2012.
For some reason, this prompts me to exhort everyone to collect every piece of Obama memorabalia you can get your hands on.
Do you realize how much an unopened can of Billy Beer can bring in at this juncture of time?
Do you realize how much an unopened can of Billy Beer can bring in at this juncture of time?
Less than what you paid for it in 1977.
http://www.rustycans.com/HISTORY/billy.html
Richard :munchin
Less than what you paid for it in 1977.
http://www.rustycans.com/HISTORY/billy.html
Richard :munchin
Oh, well.
Billy and chili tonight then, I guess.
jrygalski
03-16-2012, 10:43
humble opinion time...
the common cure for many social injustices is (drum roll) Education
Sadly, many, from all races, are downplaying their need for an education with a perspective that is 180 degrees out of phase with what it was in the past. My mother raised three kids ( two of which are very intelligent, my siblings...) on her own with but a ninth grade education and 2-3 jobs. She also put us through 12 years of unassisted private schools. She did this because she wanted us to achieve more than she did by having more education than she did. Her sisters did not apply the same principle to their children and the end result is (2d drum roll) my mother's children are each more successful than their cousins. (I did not say more happy, just more successful!)
Today, we have a large population saying "I didn't go to college and my kids do not need to either" and the kids are saying I'm not going to college so why should I stay in high school!???
This is happeniing across all of the races. My wife, a Teacher for over 12 years, has seen this snowball effect year after year. The government (Local, .State and Federal) refuses to point the finger at parents because the parents are their sheep. It is easier to blame the teachers and reduce their ranks and cut their pay.
Education can cure ignorance, but not stupidity...
(rant complete - BT AR)
PedOncoDoc
03-16-2012, 11:21
humble opinion time...
the common cure for many social injustices is (drum roll) Education
Sadly, many, from all races, are downplaying their need for an education with a perspective that is 180 degrees out of phase with what it was in the past. My mother raised three kids ( two of which are very intelligent, my siblings...) on her own with but a ninth grade education and 2-3 jobs. She also put us through 12 years of unassisted private schools. She did this because she wanted us to achieve more than she did by having more education than she did. Her sisters did not apply the same principle to their children and the end result is (2d drum roll) my mother's children are each more successful than their cousins. (I did not say more happy, just more successful!)
Today, we have a large population saying "I didn't go to college and my kids do not need to either" and the kids are saying I'm not going to college so why should I stay in high school!???
This is happeniing across all of the races. My wife, a Teacher for over 12 years, has seen this snowball effect year after year. The government (Local, .State and Federal) refuses to point the finger at parents because the parents are their sheep. It is easier to blame the teachers and reduce their ranks and cut their pay.
Education can cure ignorance, but not stupidity...
(rant complete - BT AR)
I believe all should get a high school education (or equivalent), but I would also argue that there are too many college graduates out there for the number of jobs that truly require the application of knowledge acquired through a college education.
humble opinion time...
the common cure for many social injustices is (drum roll) Education
Sadly, many, from all races, are downplaying their need for an education with a perspective that is 180 degrees out of phase with what it was in the past. My mother raised three kids ( two of which are very intelligent, my siblings...) on her own with but a ninth grade education and 2-3 jobs. She also put us through 12 years of unassisted private schools. She did this because she wanted us to achieve more than she did by having more education than she did. Her sisters did not apply the same principle to their children and the end result is (2d drum roll) my mother's children are each more successful than their cousins. (I did not say more happy, just more successful!)
Today, we have a large population saying "I didn't go to college and my kids do not need to either" and the kids are saying I'm not going to college so why should I stay in high school!???
This is happeniing across all of the races. My wife, a Teacher for over 12 years, has seen this snowball effect year after year. The government (Local, .State and Federal) refuses to point the finger at parents because the parents are their sheep. It is easier to blame the teachers and reduce their ranks and cut their pay.
Education can cure ignorance, but not stupidity...
(rant complete - BT AR)
What do you think about the fact that a large majority of colleges brainwash the kids into liberalism?
As a matter of fact, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a name of a Conservative professor.
Happened to 3 of mine. 2 came back into the real world within a few months; one is still in academia, with short, pink-dyed hair, a couple pounds of metal pierced into her skin and refusing to wear lipstick because she believes women do it to make their lips look like vulvas.
My Son voted democrat in '08. In the latter part of '09, he said, "Dad. You were right about liberals. They suck."
humble opinion time...
the common cure for many social injustices is (drum roll) Education
Sadly, many, from all races, are downplaying their need for an education with a perspective that is 180 degrees out of phase with what it was in the past. My mother raised three kids ( two of which are very intelligent, my siblings...) on her own with but a ninth grade education and 2-3 jobs. She also put us through 12 years of unassisted private schools. She did this because she wanted us to achieve more than she did by having more education than she did. Her sisters did not apply the same principle to their children and the end result is (2d drum roll) my mother's children are each more successful than their cousins. (I did not say more happy, just more successful!)
Today, we have a large population saying "I didn't go to college and my kids do not need to either" and the kids are saying I'm not going to college so why should I stay in high school!???
This is happeniing across all of the races. My wife, a Teacher for over 12 years, has seen this snowball effect year after year. The government (Local, .State and Federal) refuses to point the finger at parents because the parents are their sheep. It is easier to blame the teachers and reduce their ranks and cut their pay.
Education can cure ignorance, but not stupidity...
(rant complete - BT AR)
I run into many a bright young lady and bright young man with 4 year degrees that are up to their ears in student loan debt and they are putting those educations to use at Home Depot, Lowes, Subway, Cabelas and the Casino making the same $8-10 per hour as the person without the 4 year degree.
Education is great, I am an advocate of education but more and more it seems the ROI isn't there.
So, are people bowing to embarassment over their attitute toward race or actually fooling themselves? My guess would be embarasmemnt, but perhaps that's giving too much credit.
Perhaps it's simpler than that. The drug impedes various chemicals/receptors that are tied to human emotion. Then when the test subjects show muted emotions, it makes the news.
That last part is the shocker.