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Team Sergeant
03-10-2012, 13:37
Transportation Security Administration (TSA)Criminally Incompetent
This guy just blew the lid on just how incompetent the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) really is.....
Protecting us, they wish.
Oh how I love to see my taxpayers dollars spent by incompetent morons. I'm sure it will soon come out that the " Transportation Security Administration (TSA) leadership" knew of this flaw years ago but decided to make a billion dollar purchase anyway.......
Watch his video.
http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/
”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.” Ben Franklin
Amazing!
As the guy says, there's no way the tangos haven't figured it out already.
:mad:
How is it that the Democrats can say that GWOT is "not really" a war but an issue of law enforcement and inspection and then say/do nothing about the overwhelming evidence that the TSA is incompetent?
The secretary of the DHS must have some paper on her boss. Or a lot of DuPont stock.
But they're now going to search you and your family when you leave Ft. Campbell to go to Nashville....:mad:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/02/29/the-tsa-is-coming-to-a-highway-near-you/
Team Sergeant
03-10-2012, 17:57
They will stop and search my "private auto" over my dead body.
My "Freedom" is not negotiable.
The representative from TN. is on the right track! The effort will no doubt stall in the senate. Thanks to those who have posted to this thread, its been very educational. To say that this is scary would be an understatement. These people have to be stopped our best chance at turning the clock back will be at the ballot box come November.
1stindoor
03-10-2012, 22:35
Watch his video.
http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/
”Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.” Ben Franklin
It's being blocked at my location. Has anyone found it yet on youtube?
This is a link to that cat's YouTube page which has 3 videos posted:
http://www.youtube.com/user/tsaoutofourpants?feature=watch
1stindoor
03-10-2012, 23:05
Thanks for the link. I've long said that the TSA is just another "false sense of security" to spend our tax dollars on. Sadly I don't see it getting any better which is why I don't fly if I can help it.
ZonieDiver
03-10-2012, 23:07
Any hope I had for TSA ended when I watched them make my daughter remove my 10 month-old grandson's tiny little shoes as they went through the stupid line.
How long before the internet is considered "Transportation" of information and the TSA can knock down your door and check your computer?
greenberetTFS
03-11-2012, 05:31
Any hope I had for TSA ended when I watched them make my daughter remove my 10 month-old grandson's tiny little shoes as they went through the stupid line.
ZD
When is enough,enough of their BS..........:rolleyes: That has to be a classic stupid rule that has to stop,they are going way over the top with this sh*t..............:eek:
Big Teddy :munchin
Thanks for the link. I've long said that the TSA is just another "false sense of security" to spend our tax dollars on. Sadly I don't see it getting any better which is why I don't fly if I can help it.
I agree. I will gladly burn an extra day of leave on the front and back end in order to keep myself and my family out of the airport. I hate the thought of being totally reliant on someone else, and having no control over what happens.
Which is why.....I will never, never, never go on a cruise.
I will load up the truck and drive any day, hell....it's cheaper anyway.
Team Sergeant
03-11-2012, 12:18
How long before the internet is considered "Transportation" of information and the TSA can knock down your door and check your computer?
I've already said that when that happens it will be time to take action.
Unreasonable search and seizure, strike one.
Going after Freedom of Speech, I will put my skills to use.
Ever wonder why Janet Napolitano, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security keeps saying the "lone wolf" is her biggest concern, it going to become a self fulling prophecy........
Badger52
03-12-2012, 11:55
How long before the internet is considered "Transportation" of information and the TSA can knock down your door and check your computer?I'll go out on a limb and say the words "interstate commerce" will be in there somewhere, whatever it looks like...
:rolleyes:
Badger52
03-12-2012, 11:58
Ever wonder why Janet Napolitano, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security keeps saying the "lone wolf" is her biggest concern, it going to become a self fulling prophecy........
You & I both know TS that such a creature, trained and with buddies, is what scares the livin' bejeesus out of people like her. And I mean total blathering quavering-kneed terrified.
And I want them that way.
I'll go out on a limb and say the words "interstate commerce" will be in there somewhere, whatever it looks like...
:rolleyes:
IANAL, but... http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1040402.html#footnote_ref_4
Badger52
03-12-2012, 14:30
IANAL, but... http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1040402.html#footnote_ref_4...but you're auditioning, right? :D
Nice, thanks.
It does seem that when the monolith wishes to it is able to put forth, often successful, cases that allow it to hold sway over things based on the harm (or not) to interstate commerce. The case above seems to me - and IANAL and no 'buts' about it - one where harm to the Fed theory was minimal and the overarching interest allowed the state to prosecute using other approaches.
Going through TS's post, back to Pete's question, what happens when the things that a regime doesn't like to hear about make their way onto the list of prohibited content? It's OK to ignore interstate transportation of information because of the overarching national security concern?
That content may be "as diverse as the mind"... (from the cite above)
well, except maybe for this, and that, and... oh yeah, that too.
Who do you want influencing what's on any so-called "approved list?"
Rhetorical question; Pete's is better & in the X-ring.
...but you're auditioning, right? :D
I had trouble getting the ambulance chasing thing down, so they booted me off the set. :p :D
Pay $100 to SKIP airport security under new plan (but TSA screeners still subject wheelchair-bound toddler to invasive tests)
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2116881/TSA-subject-child-wheelchair-invasive-airport-security-tests-Chicago.html#ixzz1pZDVYgxK
"Passengers at airports can now avoid TSA pat downs, long lines and can carry liquids on board by paying $100.
However, the TSA's new fast track 'Precheck' screening is likely to rile the family of a wheel-chair bound toddler who was recently subjected to invasive security checks..........."
I bet the TSA agent was real proud of his work that day.
Mr Furious
03-20-2012, 13:38
I do see the integration of technology as being part of the answer. It has to be just based on the sheer numbers we push. The process and technologies are evolving for certain. Yeah, I’m not one to relinquish my rights and I don’t think a central government agency is the answer. I think privatizing security and placing the responsibility back on the businesses would be the right direction.
I’m tired of the Israeli argument and comparisons. I often hear the argument of adopting Israeli security practices and focusing more on interaction and profiling. Several of their security experts have been very outspoken and critical of us. I think it’s easy to be a critic and tout your success when you have only one major airport to worry about. Their methodology works in Israel, but we have a different legal system and again based on numbers I don’t think its practical here at all.
Ben Gurion would barely crack our top 20 in regards to volume. Just Hartsfield-Jackson and O’Hare alone do over 5x the volume of Ben Gurion. I find it analogous to an IGA telling Wal-Mart how to run their business effectively, what works and what doesn’t. The overall volume creates different problem sets to address.
Of course they have different problem sets as well, and a good reason the IDF maintains a constant presence there. Hmmm maybe with the new Exec Order that was just signed they can make O'Hare a PCS move too :eek:
Don't touch my junk man...
Several of their security experts have been very outspoken and critical of us. I think it’s easy to be a critic and tout your success when you have only one major airport to worry about.
Actually they do quite well all over the world, at least EL AL does. Wouldn't feel any safer with TSA personnel watching mechanics and aircraft like El Al security does.
An experienced well trained (pysch) agent can look someone in the eye, how they move, etc and be much more effective than any technology we have at present, without feeling up half the population.
Now if they were all females and better looking, that'd be a different story :D
Mr Furious
03-20-2012, 22:38
Don't touch my junk man...
Actually they do quite well all over the world, at least EL AL does. Wouldn't feel any safer with TSA personnel watching mechanics and aircraft like El Al security does.
An experienced well trained (pysch) agent can look someone in the eye, how they move, etc and be much more effective than any technology we have at present, without feeling up half the population.
Now if they were all females and better looking, that'd be a different story :D
I will not argue the effectiveness of progressive interaction, pattern recognition, and profiling. Combine that with their screening, agents and defense forces and it is absolutely effective. I don’t disagree with that. I do not think that methodology will work well here in the US. The legality of using forces aside, once again, our volume makes it impractical on many levels and ineffective from a cost perspective. Their experts haven't dealt with the issues we face. I pulled some figures to display the magnitude.
1 landing + 1 take off = 1 movement. ATL alone has approximately one MILLION “movements” annually. That’s one million planes and not people. That is over 10x the annual amount of Ben Gurion. http://tinyurl.com/66tn8l
In terms of “passenger traffic” ATL flows 92 million passengers annually compared to Ben Gurion’s 13 million. I know I stated 5x earlier, but it is more like 7x. http://tinyurl.com/3qn5mzz
In terms of “enplanements” for ATL, cut that amount in half for total processing and boarding to 43 million annually (see attached; 2011 won’t be released until July).
Taking only our top 50 airports, we process and board annually over 579 MILLION people. That is almost an unbelievable figure in itself. Add the other 350 majors and regional’s and that figure jumps to over 710 million people annually, which is more than double our nation’s entire population. As a country, we surpass Israel’s total annual traffic in less than a week.
How many trained and experienced psyches-agents would we need? You would need to balloon the numbers of the TSA and create something equivalent to another branch of service to adequately cover down with that approach and not further impede operations to unacceptable levels. Every one of us would eventually foot the bill for that. Continued evolution and integration of technology will be the way ahead. Until then, watch your junk.
Old Dog New Trick
03-20-2012, 23:12
I do see the integration of technology as being part of the answer. It has to be just based on the sheer numbers we push. The process and technologies are evolving for certain. Yeah, I’m not one to relinquish my rights and I don’t think a central government agency is the answer. I think privatizing security and placing the responsibility back on the businesses would be the right direction.
I’m tired of the Israeli argument and comparisons. I often hear the argument of adopting Israeli security practices and focusing more on interaction and profiling. Several of their security experts have been very outspoken and critical of us. I think it’s easy to be a critic and tout your success when you have only one major airport to worry about. Their methodology works in Israel, but we have a different legal system and again based on numbers I don’t think its practical here at all.
Ben Gurion would barely crack our top 20 in regards to volume. Just Hartsfield-Jackson and O’Hare alone do over 5x the volume of Ben Gurion. I find it analogous to an IGA telling Wal-Mart how to run their business effectively, what works and what doesn’t. The overall volume creates different problem sets to address.
Of course they have different problem sets as well, and a good reason the IDF maintains a constant presence there. Hmmm maybe with the new Exec Order that was just signed they can make O'Hare a PCS move too :eek:
People tend to forget that EL AL security crawls up your ass and looks for any reason they can find to deny you access long before the day of travel. They have already completed 85% of their security inspection before you arrive at the airport - whether you are coming or going. If they don't want you to fly, you won't even get to security screening checkpoint.
You are right about volume. It's not even close to a regional US airports hourly volume for a whole day.
I've only been through Ben Guiron twice, and both times it seemed like any US airport except the magnetometer are at the entrance and your bags are screened (x-ray) before you get to the ticket counter. Then there is still regular screening again once you get past ticketing and on your way to the concourses.
If for any reason, you draw suspicions from the front door to the gate podium expect all hell to follow, and you won't fly today.
Agreed, All logical and realistic points...the last being somewhat of a bummer...
Until then, watch your junk.
lol
Yes, volume--agree totally. But...I used to travel extensively in Europe and at the time I had passport stamps for Cypress, Egypt, Nigeria, etc. I was routinely pulled aside and questioned by a seemingly switched-on guy at Heathrow, or Schiphol, or Charles De Faulle. Hell, I was questioned about a Cypress stamp in the Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean. I've never had contact with an American screener. You can argue that's what the "do not fly" list is for, but is that true? The "American Way" is to depend on technology. Can't we meld both approaches and while we're at it, maybe stop taking baby shoes off of 9 month olds?
If for any reason, you draw suspicions from the front door to the gate podium expect all hell to follow, and you won't fly today.
Sounds like someone had to pucker up :eek: