In a National Security Emergency, Do You Call the Marines or the SEALs?

[Team Sergeant]

Spoken like a true Marine........ Let's just stand down Army SOF and allow the Marines with their "unique capabilities" to become the global "go to" force of choice! (I know none of you guys have ever been deployed in peacekeeping or disaster relief operations. ;))



2/15/2012
In a National Security Emergency, Do You Call the Marines or the SEALs?

The Marine Corps prides itself on its niche role as the nation’s “911” quick response force that gets called to deal with dicey security crises.

But it’s been the Navy SEALs that of late have garnered the spotlight and captured the public’s imagination as the go-to force.

“You can’t pick up a paper without seeing some reference to special operations forces, and I am very proud of that fact,” Adm. William McRaven, who heads U.S. Special Operations Command, said earlier this month.

Navy SEAL elite amphibious operators cornered and killed Osama Bin Laden in May, and most recently, rescued hostages who had been held by Somali pirates. Special operations forces, which include Army, Air Force and Marine Corps components, also are key players in the Obama administration’s counterterrorism campaign involving strikes with unmanned drones.

Obama’s 2012 Defense Strategic Guidance says special operations forces will increasingly be relied upon to "help address national security threats and challenges on a global scale ... given their ability to operate in a wide range of environments and undertake tactical actions that produce strategic effects," notes Rick “Ozzie” Nelson, director of the homeland security and counterterrorism program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In addition, McRaven recently has requested that U.S. SOCOM receive greater authorities to deploy SOF and launch operations across the globe. “Such authorities would allow SOF capabilities to be brought to bear with greater speed and flexibility in regions such as Africa, Asia, and Latin America,” Nelson says. If McRaven’s proposal is accepted, it would “solidify SOF’s increasingly prominent position as a truly global force.”

SOCOM is the only major component of the U.S. military that is growing in size and budget.

The expanding clout of special operations forces, however, should not be seen as coming at the expense of the Marine Corps’ traditional role in crisis response, said Lt. Gen. Richard Mills, Marine Corps deputy commandant for combat development and integration.

There is no SOF intrusion into Marine turf, Mills said Feb. 15 following a speech at the Defense Strategies Institute’s Expeditionary Operations Summit, in Washington, D.C.

“I am a big believer in special operations forces,” Mills said. “They’re great. But they do what they do.”

As to who gets to be the nation’s go-to 911 force, it depends, he said. “If you say they’re a crisis response force, I would say, what crisis? … When you look at the whole spectrum of what a crisis can be, it can anything from humanitarian relief, natural disaster response, terrorism, civil war.”

Special operations forces “fit in someplace there but there are cases when you need a different force with different capabilities,” Mills said. “The capabilities we provide are unique. I don’t think you deploy special operations forces to a disaster relief operation, I don’t think you deploy special operators to a peacekeeping situation where you need forces on the ground to stabilize a crisis.”

The Marine Corps, “with all due modesty, provides a much longer, much wider capability,” Mills said. “We become more valuable as a general purpose force, as a crisis response force for the entire spectrum” of crises, he added.




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[grigori]

I mean no disrespect to the Marines but if they think that SOF are not needed in Peacekeeping ops. then I wish to ask if the Marines were the only ones present in say a UN peacekeeping op. and some of their own were to be captured by rebels could they with no SOF assistance could they pull off an Operation Barras themselves if they think "We are the 911 and SOF shouldnt be involved in peacekeeping ops.".

[greenberetTFS]

The Marine Corps, “with all due modesty, provides a much longer, much wider capability,” Mills said. “We become more valuable as a general purpose force, as a crisis response force for the entire spectrum” of crises, he added./Quote/LT.Gen. Richard Mills/USMC


The end is nearer than many realize.........:( :( :(

Big Teddy :munchin

[Pete]

Depends on whats needed from the tool box.

Do you need 120 folks standing around one buiding with bayonets fixed or 120 folks broken up into 12 each 10 man groups spread all over the counry facilitating things.

A hammer does not work as well as a coping saw if you're trying to cut out a puzzle piece and it's hard to pound a railway spike with a framing hammer..

[Spitfire34]

As an Infantry Marine I honestly don't see why anyone would even attempt to make this comparison. In my opinion, the various services and units each offer a unique set of skills and to make a comparison between the two is much like asking if a hammer is a better tool than a wrench. I have been on missions and worked hand in hand with some SOF units, that doesn't mean that we're the same...They did what they do best and we did what we did best, in the end the mission was accomplished. I am far from an expert and I have only served as a Marine Grunt so my perspective is admittedly narrow. Just my $.02

[Richard]

Marines must be worried about keeping their squad photographer and journalist positions. If you wanna see a ruckus, just wait until the SEALs have to choose between their hairdryers, tanning beds, and bowflex gyms. ;)

And so it goes...

Richard :munchin

[afchic]

Spoken like a true Marine........ Let's just stand down Army SOF and allow the Marines with their "unique capabilities" to become the global "go to" force of choice! (I know none of you guys have ever been deployed in peacekeeping or disaster relief operations. ;))



2/15/2012
In a National Security Emergency, Do You Call the Marines or the SEALs?

The Marine Corps prides itself on its niche role as the nation’s “911” quick response force that gets called to deal with dicey security crises.

But it’s been the Navy SEALs that of late have garnered the spotlight and captured the public’s imagination as the go-to force.

“You can’t pick up a paper without seeing some reference to special operations forces, and I am very proud of that fact,” Adm. William McRaven, who heads U.S. Special Operations Command, said earlier this month.

Navy SEAL elite amphibious operators cornered and killed Osama Bin Laden in May, and most recently, rescued hostages who had been held by Somali pirates. Special operations forces, which include Army, Air Force and Marine Corps components, also are key players in the Obama administration’s counterterrorism campaign involving strikes with unmanned drones.

Obama’s 2012 Defense Strategic Guidance says special operations forces will increasingly be relied upon to "help address national security threats and challenges on a global scale ... given their ability to operate in a wide range of environments and undertake tactical actions that produce strategic effects," notes Rick “Ozzie” Nelson, director of the homeland security and counterterrorism program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In addition, McRaven recently has requested that U.S. SOCOM receive greater authorities to deploy SOF and launch operations across the globe. “Such authorities would allow SOF capabilities to be brought to bear with greater speed and flexibility in regions such as Africa, Asia, and Latin America,” Nelson says. If McRaven’s proposal is accepted, it would “solidify SOF’s increasingly prominent position as a truly global force.”

SOCOM is the only major component of the U.S. military that is growing in size and budget.

The expanding clout of special operations forces, however, should not be seen as coming at the expense of the Marine Corps’ traditional role in crisis response, said Lt. Gen. Richard Mills, Marine Corps deputy commandant for combat development and integration.

There is no SOF intrusion into Marine turf, Mills said Feb. 15 following a speech at the Defense Strategies Institute’s Expeditionary Operations Summit, in Washington, D.C.

“I am a big believer in special operations forces,” Mills said. “They’re great. But they do what they do.”

As to who gets to be the nation’s go-to 911 force, it depends, he said. “If you say they’re a crisis response force, I would say, what crisis? … When you look at the whole spectrum of what a crisis can be, it can anything from humanitarian relief, natural disaster response, terrorism, civil war.”

Special operations forces “fit in someplace there but there are cases when you need a different force with different capabilities,” Mills said. “The capabilities we provide are unique. I don’t think you deploy special operations forces to a disaster relief operation, I don’t think you deploy special operators to a peacekeeping situation where you need forces on the ground to stabilize a crisis.”

The Marine Corps, “with all due modesty, provides a much longer, much wider capability,” Mills said. “We become more valuable as a general purpose force, as a crisis response force for the entire spectrum” of crises, he added.




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All I need to know is who we deployed to NO in response to Hurricane Katrina, and if memory serves, it wasn't the Marines.

[Spitfire34]

All I need to know is who we deployed to NO in response to Hurricane Katrina, and if memory serves, it wasn't the Marines.

Memory is a funny thing like that...
Units from the US Marine Corps DID deploy in response to Hurricane Katrina, also for the recent earthquake in Haiti, the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004 and most recently the relief effort in Japan. There's probably a dozen more other places they have deployed to provide assistance that I have neglected here, this is just the hot spot list.

[1stindoor]

A hammer does not work as well as a coping saw if you're trying to cut out a puzzle piece and it's hard to pound a railway spike with a framing hammer..

However, if the only tool you own is a hammer...all of your problems will start to resemble a nail.

[Old Dog New Trick]

I think maybe the good Lt. General is right. SOF forces kinda suck at "Peacekeeping" too much standing around and the need for a Burger King to be built.

Now, on the "Peacemaking" front I can't think of a better more mature bunch of guys to carryout the task. :lifter

[kawaishi]

Reminds me of a lot of the motardation that we had to listen to. I'm waiting for the Corps to come out with a study of how Marines are genetically superior to their peers in other services.

Btw, every branch of service was down here for Katrina. Quite frankly I'm sad to see my parent service once again trying to sweep honorable service by other fellow Americans under the rug for their own gain. This is budget cut propaganda as the Corps is feeling that it may not be the most popular kid in school anymore.

Love the Corps, but we seriously need some real historians pull our institutional head out of the sand when it comes to history.

[Sarski]

Okay...do I call Charlie Sheen, Clint Eastwood, or The Duke?

That isn't such a tough decission to make.

Seriously, though, I'd send whoever is closest and ready at the time, and given the reach of SF throughout the world makes them prime to be just about near or in the hotspots already, go figure.

Of course joint operations, and multi tiered operations could be in line as well.

One of the martial tactics of old Asia (Japan, China, Mongolia...) was for the experienced warriors to hang back a bit on the battlefield and watch the subordinates fight it out with the enemy. This way the more experienced could buy a little time to asses the enemy more accurately and also determine who on the battlefield was the biggest threat. Then they (those who were hanging back and assessing) would go into battle.

It of course cost the lives of those with less experience, but probably not as costly had all been engaged without understanding just how things were developing on the battlefield.

[Badger52]

Probably my 2nd or 3rd go-around at seeing these nepotistic post-conflict rice-bowl cycles. Sounds to me like a commander who can't put parochial roots aside and might not be the optimum guy for the job. From the bleachers it seems that SOF slices that include intensive mentoring in how to submerge their ego in deference to the overall mission are in short supply.

Could be one place still doing that...

[tst43]

However, if the only tool you own is a hammer...all of your problems will start to resemble a nail.

Very well said...and with many applications outside the military.

[ZonieDiver]

Personally, budget-wise, it's time to get rid of the USMC and create a 'naval infantry' division in the US Army.

As if, a mechanic is the same as an infantryman. US Army says 'no' - USMC
says 'yes'! You decide.

[Remington Raidr]

They have a propaganda machine that is almost equal to Stalin's.
-President Truman.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19500905&id=LeYhAAAAIBAJ&sjid=smQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5336,390146

[MR2]

Personally, budget-wise, it's time to get rid of the USMC and create a 'naval infantry' division in the US Army.

I've advocated this for a long time.

Politics and tradition are the greatest stumbling blocks. I do not see how to get away from not calling this naval infantry the USMC. One of the unique aspects of The Corps is their dedicated air assets. Resolving that with the USAF, the Key West Accord, yada-yada-yada will be tough.

I'd like to see The Corps absorbed into the Army as 4-6 Active/Reserve Regiments - keeping their integrated support elements. I'd like to see them take overall responsibility for basic training. And since the Army is into giving everyone 'cool' headgear, I'd let The Corp retain their cover. But in trade, they will have to learn Army-speak as default. As for MarSOC - they would return to their original Scouts mission with other SOC-type missions fulfilled by those normally doing said missions.

They would become additional 'Go To' regiments like the so-called 'Rapid Deployment' units are/were.

My thoughts in a nutshell. XM-202's away!

[Guymullins]

Admittedly, our playground was not the whole world as yours is, but the correct answer to ,"Who to go to in an emergency" is. Go to who is already there, the Special Forces fellows.

[Utah Bob]

Not all National Security Emergencies are created equal.;)

[Dusty]

Well, with the Marines, you have the possibility of mission-stopping, unwanted pregnancy that's just not normally there with the SEALs.

[Dozer523]

I wonder if Adm McRaven will get the cover when he invites Rolling Stone to embed. (Stop talking . . . )

[JJ_BPK]

I just found this.. It was funny the 1st time I read it,, Then it dawned on me that it is sooo true..

The difference between Special Forces and the SEALs...

[Old Dog New Trick]

Yup ^ that 'bout sums it up. :)

[ODA CDR (RET)]

First JSOC then USSOCOM, I imagine the SEALs will get the call as long as this commander is in the position. Maybe some day we can get an SF Commander in both positions and get back in business. Quiet Professional is one thing but losing missions and funding to other services is another. Time to get on the PR bandwagon.

[Old Dog New Trick]

First JSOC then USSOCOM, I imagine the SEALs will get the call as long as this commander is in the position. Maybe some day we can get an SF Commander in both positions and get back in business. Quiet Professional is one thing but losing missions and funding to other services is another. Time to get on the PR bandwagon.

Well, I doubt that's the whole reason, but...

We haven't had a movie since 1968, unless you call the Chuck a nut Norris comedies mainstream propaganda to boost overall funding and recruiting; and even those were 25 years ago. ;)

Right now, DevGru is on top of the hit parade and everyone thinks all SEALS are created equal. :rolleyes:

I'm in the camp that says we keep doing what we're doing without all the publicity and maintain our "QP" status as the go to guys when real work needs to be done. :D

ETA - I remember doing a great deal of HA either all by myself or in a team as few as three and no more than 15 with attachments in foreign countries. There is no other unit in the armed forces capable of doing that; and USSOCOM knows it! :)

[Dusty]

[QUOTE=Old Dog New Trick;438015]Well, I doubt that's the whole reason, but...

I'm in the camp that says we keep doing what we're doing without all the publicity and maintain our "QP" status as the go to guys when real work needs to be done. :D

QUOTE]

:cool:

[SF_BHT]

Well, I doubt that's the whole reason, but...

We haven't had a movie since 1968, unless you call the Chuck a nut Norris comedies mainstream propaganda to boost overall funding and recruiting; and even those were 25 years ago. ;)

Right now, DevGru is on top of the hit parade and everyone thinks all SEALS are created equal. :rolleyes:

I'm in the camp that says we keep doing what we're doing without all the publicity and maintain our "QP" status as the go to guys when real work needs to be done. :D

ETA - I remember doing a great deal of HA either all by myself or in a team as few as three and no more than 15 with attachments in foreign countries. There is no other unit in the armed forces capable of doing that; and USSOCOM knows it!

Hay We had all the RAMBO movies:p

[Old Dog New Trick]

Hay We had all the RAMBO movies:p

:D LMAO

Col. Troutman was a fine upstanding personality. :eek:

[ZonieDiver]

Come on! We've had George Clooney as an SF officer... x 2!:D

[Richard]

Come on! We've had George Clooney as an SF officer... x 2!:D

Yeah...and don't forget LTC Austin Travis (Steven Seagal)! :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

[Dusty]

Yeah...and don't forget LTC Austin Travis (Steven Seagal)! :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

I love that movie, because his character gets killed off before it starts muttering jive.

[Utah Bob]

Yeah...and don't forget LTC Austin Travis (Steven Seagal)! :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

I had mercifully forgotten all about that.

I can imagine him eating his team's entire supply of rations.
And then eating the team.

[Neophyte]

The legendary MacGruber. Former
navy seal, army ranger and green
beret. Served six tours in Desert
Storm, four in Bosnia, three each
in Angola, Somalia, Rwanda,
Mozambique and Sierra Leone.
Recipient of sixteen purple hearts,
three Congressional Medals of
Honor, seven presidential medals of
bravery, and starting tight end for
the University of Texas El Paso.

Now this guy gets around :lifter

[miclo18d]

A lot of great points were made here and I have an example to back it up.

My last mission was CNT down in Peru in 2007. My team was doing a split op mission. Half the team went to Ecuador and the other half (including me) went to Peru. I was an 18D and senior guy on the team, so I was the Team Daddy for the Peru side.

We were working out of a safe house near the embassy and "deploying" out to sites to work with units. We did some med training for the SUAT in Lima, then went to Iquitos for a month with the Marine Commandos, then back to Lima to train with DINOES (police commandos), then out to Pulcalpa to train with FOES (SEALS). When we got back we started to plan for our next trip (I don't even remember where we were going to go).

I went to dinner one afternoon with my 18C at Jockey Plaza. We were waiting for our dinner to come when the entire floor started moving under my feet, it felt like 3-5 inches back and forth. It was an earthquake. It happened to be the 8.0 Pisco Earthquake and the first time I had ever felt one! In Lima it was felt between a 5.0 and 6.0.

My 18C at the time had spent time in Italy and when he felt it he said it wasn't too bad. I only caught the beginning of what he said as I was on my way out the door so the entire mall didn't fall on my head! He came out about 30 seconds later saying that it was worse than he initially thought (the initial shock lasted minutes not seconds). Anyway, we went straight back to the safe house and started contacting the Milgrp (aka SGM(Ret) Frank H.) to get some info.

I immediately shifted from training mode to Humanitarian Aid mode. We started getting all our gear together (med and engineer heavy) and Frank called and gave us a warning order with info that the Epicenter was in Pisco, 90 miles to the south. We got our Warrant Officer and commo guy on an embassy flight with an assessment team within 24 hours. and within another 24 the embassy okay'd us to travel with the rest of the team by vehicle. We made it down there and set up in a chowhall loading bay (I told the 18C to "find us a place to live", it took him 30 minutes)

There wasn't much of C&C going on so we did what any good SF trooper would do, we went 'looking for work'. We went down to the Plaza Central and that was where most of the deaths had occurred. We linked up with the Fire Dept and asked what we could do. An English speaking Fireman (from Italy no less) said didn't have much at that location but he said he could use my help later. It turned out that he needed a recon to the west to gauge the damage and how far out it went which we did a day or two later.

About that time we received a medical team from Soto Cano, Hon. (JTF-Bravo), that brought a FST team, Docs, and Nurses. Next we reconned locations for them to set up shop and helped translate when we could (as they had few Spanish speakers). Most of the time we set up in the soccer stadium, which grew into a refugee camp within a few days (I'd like to think because the gringos were there). We did some other locations too and even went to some of the outlying towns that we had reconned with the Fireman. I actually bumped into the Cuban coalition and talked to one of the doctors. He looked scared to talk to me and I SWEAR, his eyes were asking me to take him away and give him asylum!

It was an interesting mission in the fact that I didn't need any permission from anyone to conduct any mission I saw fit, because there wasn't any C&C. I even got into it with the WO as he didn't see the need to go running all over the place. It came back and bit us when the Minister of Health blamed us for not coordinating efforts (just being political as we found plenty of gaps to fill). Frank H. gave me an ass chewing and I basically told him to eff off and that I was going to help as many people as I could and that he should play the political games if that's what he wanted. A détente ensued.

We did this for about a week and the JTF-B team went to do their primary mission after much of the initial shock was taken care of. We went back to Lima to start prepping for our next training mission.

All right, so all that long story so that I could say this. There wasn't ONE single Marine on the ground there. There were NO Navy SEALs there. There was 1 half of an SF team (with some augments) and a few Army Dr's and nurses (with a 2 or 3 AF security folks).

Why? Because there is only one unit in the entire Armed Forces of the USA that maintains a constant presence around the world that can speak the native language and do any and every kind of mission put before it with little to no supervision.

US SPECIAL FORCES

[MR2]

Why? Because there is only one unit in the entire Armed Forces of the USA that maintains a constant presence around the world that can speak the native language and do any and every kind of mission put before it with little to no supervision.

That's why in a nushell.

[bassbuckeye]

A lot of great points were made here and I have an example to back it up.

My last mission was CNT down in Peru in 2007. My team was doing a split op mission. Half the team went to Ecuador and the other half (including me) went to Peru. I was an 18D and senior guy on the team, so I was the Team Daddy for the Peru side.

We were working out of a safe house near the embassy and "deploying" out to sites to work with units. We did some med training for the SUAT in Lima, then went to Iquitos for a month with the Marine Commandos, then back to Lima to train with DINOES (police commandos), then out to Pulcalpa to train with FOES (SEALS). When we got back we started to plan for our next trip (I don't even remember where we were going to go).

I went to dinner one afternoon with my 18C at Jockey Plaza. We were waiting for our dinner to come when the entire floor started moving under my feet, it felt like 3-5 inches back and forth. It was an earthquake. It happened to be the 8.0 Pisco Earthquake and the first time I had ever felt one! In Lima it was felt between a 5.0 and 6.0.

My 18C at the time had spent time in Italy and when he felt it he said it wasn't too bad. I only caught the beginning of what he said as I was on my way out the door so the entire mall didn't fall on my head! He came out about 30 seconds later saying that it was worse than he initially thought (the initial shock lasted minutes not seconds). Anyway, we went straight back to the safe house and started contacting the Milgrp (aka SGM(Ret) Frank H.) to get some info.

I immediately shifted from training mode to Humanitarian Aid mode. We started getting all our gear together (med and engineer heavy) and Frank called and gave us a warning order with info that the Epicenter was in Pisco, 90 miles to the south. We got our Warrant Officer and commo guy on an embassy flight with an assessment team within 24 hours. and within another 24 the embassy okay'd us to travel with the rest of the team by vehicle. We made it down there and set up in a chowhall loading bay (I told the 18C to "find us a place to live", it took him 30 minutes)

There wasn't much of C&C going on so we did what any good SF trooper would do, we went 'looking for work'. We went down to the Plaza Central and that was where most of the deaths had occurred. We linked up with the Fire Dept and asked what we could do. An English speaking Fireman (from Italy no less) said didn't have much at that location but he said he could use my help later. It turned out that he needed a recon to the west to gauge the damage and how far out it went which we did a day or two later.

About that time we received a medical team from Soto Cano, Hon. (JTF-Bravo), that brought a FST team, Docs, and Nurses. Next we reconned locations for them to set up shop and helped translate when we could (as they had few Spanish speakers). Most of the time we set up in the soccer stadium, which grew into a refugee camp within a few days (I'd like to think because the gringos were there). We did some other locations too and even went to some of the outlying towns that we had reconned with the Fireman. I actually bumped into the Cuban coalition and talked to one of the doctors. He looked scared to talk to me and I SWEAR, his eyes were asking me to take him away and give him asylum!

It was an interesting mission in the fact that I didn't need any permission from anyone to conduct any mission I saw fit, because there wasn't any C&C. I even got into it with the WO as he didn't see the need to go running all over the place. It came back and bit us when the Minister of Health blamed us for not coordinating efforts (just being political as we found plenty of gaps to fill). Frank H. gave me an ass chewing and I basically told him to eff off and that I was going to help as many people as I could and that he should play the political games if that's what he wanted. A détente ensued.We did this for about a week and the JTF-B team went to do their primary mission after much of the initial shock was taken care of. We went back to Lima to start prepping for our next training mission.

All right, so all that long story so that I could say this. There wasn't ONE single Marine on the ground there. There were NO Navy SEALs there. There was 1 half of an SF team (with some augments) and a few Army Dr's and nurses (with a 2 or 3 AF security folks).

Why? Because there is only one unit in the entire Armed Forces of the USA that maintains a constant presence around the world that can speak the native language and do any and every kind of mission put before it with little to no supervision.

US SPECIAL FORCES

I know this is a dead thread but I was reading through here and this post reminded me (in a small way) of something that was said to me by an ODA commander I/we worked with in 03..............we had a radio station being used by Marines to play their music and address their morale needs...we asked if we could use it to broadcast to the Iraqi's and his response (the ODA OIC) was f yeah we can do that...he made it happen (the Marines were pissed cause it was their AO but on high saw the benefit) and we played locally desired music and mixed in some broadcasts we wanted to get out to the locals...I came up with a script and asked how we should send it up the chain and he looked at me and said "f it...broadcast it and ill take the heat"...told me, and I'm paraphrasing "soon as the Army tells us to not do the right thing its time for us to get out"....ill never forget that, and at that point (after doing psyop for 3rd ID and 2nd ACR) I realized this was the place to be...

which by the way i'm pretty sure he got his ass chewed for it and he never let it roll down to us

[miclo18d]

That was my last mission before starting my ACAP, so I could have cared less about any of the politics. I just wanted to help the people of Pisco as much as I could with the small amount of resources I had. The US planes that came in carried not much more than body bags (all the dead had already been taken care of by then)! I kept asking someone to get them to send MRE's, meds, and water (items that I could do things with). They never came.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, was sending cans of tuna at least. However, he sort of messed up his little propaganda campaign because the cans had a picture of Chavez with the opponent of the current Peruvian president, on the lid. I tried to locate one of those cans and never found one so I never got a confirmation on the validity of that rumor. That would have been a great souvenir!

I waited for my ass chewing but never got it... They are never very effective when you are doing the right thing though.

Good job on doing your job. I always heard how hard it was to get PsyOp products approved!

[bassbuckeye]

That was my last mission before starting my ACAP, so I could have cared less about any of the politics. I just wanted to help the people of Pisco as much as I could with the small amount of resources I had. The US planes that came in carried not much more than body bags (all the dead had already been taken care of by then)! I kept asking someone to get them to send MRE's, meds, and water (items that I could do things with). They never came.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, was sending cans of tuna at least. However, he sort of messed up his little propaganda campaign because the cans had a picture of Chavez with the opponent of the current Peruvian president, on the lid. I tried to locate one of those cans and never found one so I never got a confirmation on the validity of that rumor. That would have been a great souvenir!

I waited for my ass chewing but never got it... They are never very effective when you are doing the right thing though.

Good job on doing your job. I always heard how hard it was to get PsyOp products approved!

That can of Tuna would be awesome...classic propaganda! We could have countered it with the classic American flag rice....but yes, it would take a year and a half to have approved rendering it useless :rolleyes:

[Box]

In a National Security Emergency you don't call the Marines or the SEALs...
...call CNN and MSNBC to report human rights violations and acts of oppression against gay minority females that vote democrat.

That will get things rolling so fast that your head will spin.