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Let's hope that this trend stays this way come November.
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/gallup-state-numbers-predict-huge-obama-loss/352881
Gallup released their annual state-by-state presidential approval numbers yesterday, and the results should have 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue very worried. If President Obama carries only those states where he had a net positive approval rating in 2011 (e.g. Michigan where he is up 48 percent to 44 percent), Obama would lose the 2012 election to the Republican nominee 323 electoral votes to 215.
Gallup adds:
Overall, Obama averaged 44% job approval in his third year in office, down from 47% in his second year. His approval rating declined from 2010 to 2011 in most states, with Wyoming, Connecticut, and Maine showing a marginal increase, and Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Minnesota, New Jersey, Arizona, West Virginia, Michigan, and Georgia showing declines of less than a full percentage point. The greatest declines were in Hawaii, South Dakota, Nebraska, and New Mexico.
:munchin
In potential Election 2012 matchups, it’s President Obama 47% and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney 43%. However, if former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is the Republican nominee, the president holds a double-digit lead, 50% to 38%.
Rasmussen Reports
You can look at polls and statistics any way that suits your fancy.
If Romney would quit his whining, even I, a card carrying Liberal ,might vote for him.
Peregrino
02-01-2012, 22:29
Rasmussen Reports
You can look at polls and statistics any way that suits your fancy.
If Romney would quit his whining, even I, a card carrying Liberal ,might vote for him.
Even with his whining why wouldn't you vote for him? Romney isn't an overt socialist, he's a Natural Born American Citizen, and he's not a Muslim so he can't be any worse than the incumbent. Besides, he's a card carrying liberal too. Even I'm voting for him if he's the last RINO standing after the GOP Convention.
Even with his whining why wouldn't you vote for him? Romney isn't an overt socialist, he's a Natural Born American Citizen, and he's not a Muslim so he can't be any worse than the incumbent. Besides, he's a card carrying liberal too. Even I'm voting for him if he's the last RINO standing after the GOP Convention.
For starters, Romney is a Republican regardless of how moderate. I'm pretty sure the President is a Democrat not a Socialist. That's one of those third party guys, isn't it?
I think Obama is a Baptist. Granted, he's not a Presbyterian but not everyone is - no big deal.
Natural Born Citizen? Hawaii was a state before Obama was born, wasn't it? I have 4 nephews and a niece who were all born in foreign countries to American citizens. One of them was actually born in Jordan while her mom was a missionary. Johanna is as American as my Wisconsin in-laws. Three nephews were born in Mexico. They are American Citizens same as me and I was born at Jenny Edmundsen Hospital in Council Bluffs Iowa.
Romney is so whiny I think he might be French....Just Sayin....;)
Badger52
02-02-2012, 07:30
I'm pretty sure the President is a Democrat not a Socialist.One is a political party, the other a world-view, these are 2 different things, not an either/or. Add-in his self-published writing that he would take a Muslim view toward things when given the need to choose. He is currently the President, he is (by current position) the titular head of the Democratic party, and he and those he surrounds himself with are clearly committed to ripping away values that have sustained this country quite nicely through many peaks & valleys.
He should move to Greece... or Pyongyang, or just back to Chicago. His only value is as an object-lesson to those still counting themselves as Americans.
We will weather him and his ilk; but it's awfully tedious.
Both parents must be US citizens. Was not so in this case...
MVP
Barbarian
02-02-2012, 08:00
I think Obama is a Baptist.
In public, maybe.
Let's hope that this trend stays this way come November.
I truly hope so, but I never put too much faith in polls especially ones this early in the contest.
Oldrotorhead
02-02-2012, 09:42
I think Obama is a Baptist. Granted, he's not a Presbyterian but not everyone is - no big deal.
No sir you are incorrect Obama is a Golfer. IIRC he has been to about 2 church services of any stripe since becoming President. He has how ever hit the links on may Sundays.:D
I think I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. Perhaps he will not piss money away and the same rate as the current President.
mark46th
02-02-2012, 10:21
I am voting for whomever the Republicans put up for Prez.
No sir you are incorrect Obama is a Golfer. IIRC he has been to about 2 church services of any stripe since becoming President. He has how ever hit the links on may Sundays.:D
That's funny. Is he Baptist? No. He's a golfer.
CloseDanger
02-04-2012, 16:42
"In a potential Election 2012 matchup, former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum is at 45% while President Obama earns 44%. This is the first time in any poll that Santorum has led the president."
From RAS (http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll)
Red Flag 1
02-04-2012, 16:46
obama's actions suggest he is a European Socialist. Much of what he says in public is hogwash. He has not much of an intrest in a Christian based faith. It is safe to say that he is no supporter of Israel or its religious base.
I like the map, by the way. I also hope it continues through November 2012.
RF 1
ZonieDiver
02-04-2012, 17:17
I'm pretty sure the President is a Democrat not a Socialist.
One can be a Democrat and be a socialist, just as one can be a Republican and be a democrat!
Marauder06
02-04-2012, 19:06
Both parents must be US citizens. Was not so in this case...
MVP
Both parents? I thought it only had to be one. And I thought it didn't matter what the citizenship is of the parents, if the child is born inside the US.
GratefulCitizen
02-04-2012, 21:13
I am voting for whomever the Republicans put up for Prez.
The presidential election will be about four states: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Pennsylvania.
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, and New Hampshire are also up for grabs, but the electoral votes are smaller in those states.
Those of us living in other states may have an effect on congressional and local elections but we won't be a factor in deciding the president.
Airbornelawyer
02-04-2012, 22:12
I think Obama is a Baptist. Granted, he's not a Presbyterian but not everyone is - no big deal.
What could possibly make you think Pres. Obama was a Baptist?
The only prominent religious factor in his adult life was his attendance at Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, which is affiliated with the United Churches of Christ, itself a rather left-wing Protestant denomination with no connection whatsoever to the Baptists. Indeed, as a Congregationalist denomination, the UCC is more closely related to the Presbyterians, since both arose out of the Reformed movement.
But as others here have noted, religion is not a big factor for Obama. He only goes to church and invokes God when it suits him politically. Even attendance at Trinity United was more a political act than a religious one, to shore up his credentials, since black voters tend to value religion more (according to a Pew Survey, "nearly eight-in-ten African-Americans (79%) say religion is very important in their lives, compared with 56% among all U.S. adults.").
Obama's views on religion are pretty neatly summed up by the small town bitter clingers remark, a classic political gaffe (defined as when a politician accidentally tells the truth). As he explained to his California audience, religion is something for the unenlightened folk in the flyover states to cling to. Just as a reminder, here is the full quote:
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
This isn't the viewpoint of a Baptist or a Presbyterian or a UCC member or a Muslim for that matter. This is a straightforward Marxist critique of the alienation of the working class, one that would probably get him a nice "A" in one of his college courses. Workers are alienated from their labor and are "a plaything of alien forces". Religion is one of these forces, a response to this alienation, and famously (or infamously) characterized by Marx as the "opium of the masses." ("... das Opium des Volkes"). This view, even if not explained in explicitly Marxist terms, is pretty much dogma among the American left. Even liberation theologians and many Progressives, who view themselves as being religious, tend toward this viewpoint, especially when describing other peoples' religious faith or traditional religious denominations.
As for the Islam issue, I think Obama's views on Islam were mostly shaped by his education and by his childhood experiences while his mother was married to Lolo Soetero. Soetero was the kind of left-wing secular Muslim you can find in Indonesia and on various college campuses, for whom Islam probably meant as much as Christianity means to Obama. As a child in Jakarta, Obama attended a Catholic school (Santo Fransiskus Asisi Catholic School) and a secular government school (State Elementary School Menteng 01), before returning to Hawaii, so it does not seem like religion was a big deal to his stepfather (other sources describe Soetero as a "free spirit"). Obama probably believes that this secular leftist strand of Islam has many adherents, especially among the elites, since the Muslims he knew were like that, in much the same way that many Kremlin watchers assumed there was a secretly strong adherence to liberal Western values among Soviets, since the Western-educated, English-speaking Russians they talked to felt that way.
In other words, his religious and political views spring from the same well. Obama had a hippy-dippy mother who married an African Socialist she met in Russian class, and then an Indonesian student she met at the East–West Center (fulfilling the center's mandate to strengthen intercourse among East and West perhaps too literally). He had a left-wing upbringing and a left-wing education, and then sought a career in left-wing activism and left-wing politics. Sadly, despite all the missing pieces like college transcripts, his life has been an open book on most of the issues that really matter in explaining where he wants to take the country, but far too many people have willingly turned a blind eye.
Airbornelawyer
02-04-2012, 22:42
The presidential election will be about four states: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Pennsylvania.
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, and New Hampshire are also up for grabs, but the electoral votes are smaller in those states.
Those of us living in other states may have an effect on congressional and local elections but we won't be a factor in deciding the president.
I would agree with you on the decisive states. If the Republican nominee carries the states that lean or or solidly Republican, he would need an additional 64 electoral votes to win. Florida (29), Pennsylvania (20) and Ohio (18) get you there, though a Republican winning in Pennsylvania is probably a Republican carrying Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire anyway, since these states lean slightly more R than PA does. You lose PA, and you need Virginia (13) and 4 more EVs, so at least one of your other battleground states.
Conversely, if it is September/October, and Republicans are worried about states like Arizona, North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri and Montana, then be worried too.
But don't give up on the national race if you live in the other states, especially the Democratic-leaning states. Every dollar the Obama campaign is forced to spend in a state it should believe it already has in the bag is a dollar it can't spend in a battleground state. This is especially true in a state like New Jersey, where TV ad rates are fairly expensive compared to Iowa or Colorado. California, too. Kerry easily carried California in 2004, but there was a scare for Democrats late in the race that forced his campaign to waste ad dollars there, in some of the most expensive markets in the country, money that then wasn't available for Ohio. Democratic-leaning states where issues like taxes and the economy should resonate for Republicans include Wisconsin (where the Dems and their union allies are already heavily-invested due to the Scott Walker factor), Michigan and New Jersey (where Chris Christie may help the Republican nominee). Oregon, Washington, Maine and New Mexico are also possibilities.
. Indeed, as a Congregationalist denomination, the UCC is more closely related to the Presbyterians, since both arose out of the Reformed movement.
As that guy on Green Acres used to say " OhFer"
Honestly, the poor man ran against Hillary Clinton whose husband killed Vince Foster and Ron Brown :rolleyes: Do you honestly think the Clintons would not have found out all the dirt that was to be had on this guy?
Aside from that - my grandma was a Presbyterian and a member of the DAR. My Grandfather Albert Lester Turnbull, whose ancestors were signers of the Mayflower Compact was a Congregationalist.
Grandma Irma was a Republican from way back and Grandpa Lester a Democratic. They used to joke about cancelling one another's vote.
Surely you are not bad mouthing my grandparents?!?!
The presidential election will be about four states: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, and Pennsylvania.
Colorado, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, and New Hampshire are also up for grabs, but the electoral votes are smaller in those states.
Those of us living in other states may have an effect on congressional and local elections but we won't be a factor in deciding the president.
You will if you don't vote. Don't be that guy ;)
Investor's Business Daily is predicting a loss for the incumbent. Let's hope their barometer continues to be accurate.
Stock Market Predicts Defeat For President Obama
It's happened 13 times since 1936. Call it the IBD January Incumbent Barometer.
An incumbent president faces a challenger ... and 13 out of 13 times the stock market picks the winner in January.
Say again?
Here's how it works: When the stock market scores a big gain in January — about 6% or more — the challenger beats the incumbent president every time, or as we shall see, almost every time. When the stock market goes up or down modestly in January — 4% or less in either direction — the incumbent wins almost every time.
This January the Nasdaq rose 8%, signaling a loss for President Obama, according to the IBD JIB.
You can write this off as wishful thinking by Obama's critics, fearful thinking by his supporters, a silly ham-on-wry exercise, or just a coincidence emerging from data mining.
But just as the January barometer for stocks supposedly signals the market's direction for the year, this political January barometer does the same for incumbent presidents with one catch.
The January barometer for stocks has sometimes been wrong. The last time the JIB missed was 1932. Since then, the JIB has been on a roll...
...The exception was 1932. The Dow fell 1.7%, a modest move which should've been good for incumbent Herbert Hoover, according to the JIB. But FDR, the challenger, won...
Link (http://news.investors.com/Article/600150/201202040805/january-stock-market-indicates-obama-loss.htm?Ntt=jib)