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dennisw
01-31-2012, 10:21
Same old story. The current administration will sacrifice anything and anyone for a little good news.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204740904577193024150056072.html?m od=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop



Obama Exploits the Navy SEALs


There may be political value in detailing how our special forces hunted bin Laden, but doing so threatens troop safety and future missions.

By LEIF BABIN

America's premier Special Operations force is once again in the headlines after a team of Navy SEALs rescued two hostages from captivity in Somalia last week. Elite U.S. forces have carried out such operations periodically over the past decade, always with skill and bravery. The difference in recent months is that the details of their work haven't remained secret. On the contrary, government officials have revealed them for political gain—endangering our forces in the process.

The floodgates opened after the raid that killed Osama bin Laden last May, and the Obama administration's lack of discretion was on display again at last week's State of the Union address. As President Obama entered the House chamber, in full view of the cameras, he pointed to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and exclaimed: "Good job tonight, good job tonight." Clearly something had happened that he wanted the world to know about.

After delivering his speech, which included multiple references to the bin Laden raid, the president again thanked Mr. Panetta. "That was a good thing tonight," he said as if to ensure that the viewing public, if they missed it initially, would get it a second time around.

Sure enough, shortly thereafter, the White House announced the successful rescue of the hostages in Somalia by U.S. Special Operations forces. Vice President Biden appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" to highlight the success the next morning, and Mr. Panetta also publicly praised it. Then came the "anonymous U.S. officials" to provide extensive details of who conducted the raid and how. As with the bin Laden operation, the top-secret unit that carried it out was again front-page news, as were its methods and tactics.

Our special operators do not welcome this publicity. In fact, from conversations I've had in recent days, it's clear they are dismayed by it.

Adm. William H. McRaven, America's top special-operations commander, wrote in his 1996 book "Spec Ops" that there are six key principles of success in special operations. Of paramount importance—especially given the risk and sensitivity of the missions and the small units involved—is what the military calls "operational security," or maintaining secrecy. If the enemy learns details and can anticipate the manner and timing of an attack, the likelihood of success is significantly reduced and the risk to our forces is significantly increased.

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President Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta before the State of the Union address in Washington on Tuesday.

This is why much of what our special-operators do is highly classified, and why military personnel cannot legally divulge it to the public. Yet virtually every detail of the bin Laden raid has appeared in news outlets across the globe—from the name of the highly classified unit to how the U.S. gathered intelligence, how many raiders were involved, how they entered the grounds, what aircraft they used, and how they moved through the compound. Such details were highly contained within the military and not shared even through classified channels. Yet now they are available to anyone with the click of a mouse.

It's difficult for military leaders to enforce strict standards of operational security on their personnel while the most senior political leadership is flooding the airwaves with secrets. The release of classified information has also opened a Pandora's box of former and retired SEALs, special operators, and military personnel who have chosen to violate their non-disclosure agreements and discuss intricate details of how such operations are planned and executed.

We've already begun seeing specific examples of strategic harm from the post-bin Laden leaks. In June, Pakistan arrested several individuals who allegedly provided information to the CIA in advance of the raid. One of those charged with treason was a Pakistani doctor, Shakil Afridi. This Sunday, Mr. Panetta confirmed to "60 Minutes" that Dr. Afridi had provided "very helpful" intelligence to the CIA. That may have condemned Dr. Afridi to death or life imprisonment.

Such disclosures are catastrophic to U.S. intelligence networks, which often take years to develop. Recklessness not only puts lives at risk but could set U.S. intelligence-collection efforts back decades. Our ability to carry out future operations is significantly degraded—something not lost on Pakistan.

A week after the bin Laden raid, then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates expressed dismay about Washington's loose lips, telling a town hall meeting of U.S. Marines at Camp Lejeune: "Frankly, a week ago Sunday, in the Situation Room, we all agreed that we would not release any operational details from the effort to take out bin Laden. That all fell apart on Monday—the next day."

Do the president and his top political advisers understand what's at stake for the special-operations forces who carry out these dangerous operations, or the long-term strategic consequences of divulging information about our most highly classified military assets and intelligence capabilities? It is infuriating to see political gain put above the safety and security of our brave warriors and our long-term strategic goals. Loose lips sink ships.

Mr. Babin is a former Navy SEAL officer who served three tours in Iraq, earning a Silver Star, two Bronze Stars and a Purple Heart. He left active duty six months ago.

JimP
01-31-2012, 11:14
The SEALs have spent years doing (successful) PR. Kind of hard to stop the presses when you've been greasing them for years.

Richard
01-31-2012, 12:56
WWCSD?** :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

** What Would Charlie Sheen Do?

Streck-Fu
01-31-2012, 13:14
WWCSD?** :rolleyes:

Richard :munchin

** What Would Charlie Sheen Do?


WWGIJD




What Would GI Jane Do?

ZonieDiver
01-31-2012, 15:03
I thought he was one! :D

Masochist
01-31-2012, 15:29
I thought he was one! :D

Great Leader IS the one.

Basenshukai
02-01-2012, 08:25
From having worked in the "joint" environment among both, current SEALs and some older, retired "old school" - now contractor - SEALs (older than 50 years old), I have found that they do not have the same mentality when it comes to OPSEC. It sems that the new guys bask in, and totally welcome, the fame and notoriety. The older guys seem uncomfortable with it, even today. The SEALs are the Navy's current version of the "Top Gun" craze of the early 1990's. I wonder, how will this affect the kind of candidates they get for the next 5 - 10 years? Years ago, being a SEAL probably also meant living a relatively obscure, and guarded, existence; not anymore. Candidates back then knew this and applied for the job, regardless, because fame and notoriety likely did not rank high on their list of motivations. How has that been affected now? Too early to tell, I know.

It is also interesting to see that the NSW SMU responsible for the recent raids has now become - in the eyes of the media, and the public - a representative for all SEALs. On the Army side of that coin, SF has successfully resisted that parallel, electing, instead to attempt to educate others as to our true capabilities, where this does not violate OPSEC. It has not been, by any means, perfect but, we have been significantly successful, I believe, in this regard.

But, the unfortunate reality is that many politicians get their "knowledge" from the media. This will have consequences for others in SOF. As it stands now, SEAL leadership has made tremendous headway in major joint commands and, I predict, that this will continue. From my relatively short 14 experience in the Army, I have found that senior Army leadership likes to project an image of "fair play", when playing with others (Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, etc.) is tied to the effort at hand. The Navy, particularly the SEAL Community, is steeped in an "it pays to be a winner", and an agressive "winner takes all" approach. We may effectively look down on their aproach (media feeding, OPSEC risk of exposure, etc.), but, their slow, but successful media blitz will eventually affect our (SF) budgets and mission. No, not by virtue of their appearing on a movie, video game, or documentary. But, because their popularity will beckon those with political influence to continue to assign them over SOF, writ large... And "fair play" is not in a SEAL's mentality in this regard. They will promote and benefit their own when in a position that allows for that choice.

Sarski
02-01-2012, 08:45
Seems like President Obama and PFC Manning have a lot in common.

cszakolczai
02-01-2012, 09:45
From having worked in the "joint" environment among both, current SEALs and some older, retired "old school" - now contractor - SEALs (older than 50 years old), I have found that they do not have the same mentality when it comes to OPSEC. It sems that the new guys bask in, and totally welcome, the fame and notoriety. The older guys seem uncomfortable with it, even today. The SEALs are the Navy's current version of the "Top Gun" craze of the early 1990's. I wonder, how will this affect the kind of candidates they get for the next 5 - 10 years? Years ago, being a SEAL probably also meant living a relatively obscure, and guarded, existence; not anymore. Candidates back then knew this and applied for the job, regardless, because fame and notoriety likely did not rank high on their list of motivations. How has that been affected now? Too early to tell, I know.

It is also interesting to see that the NSW SMU responsible for the recent raids has now become - in the eyes of the media, and the public - a representative for all SEALs. On the Army side of that coin, SF has successfully resisted that parallel, electing, instead to attempt to educate others as to our true capabilities, where this does not violate OPSEC. It has not been, by any means, perfect but, we have been significantly successful, I believe, in this regard.

But, the unfortunate reality is that many politicians get their "knowledge" from the media. This will have consequences for others in SOF. As it stands now, SEAL leadership has made tremendous headway in major joint commands and, I predict, that this will continue. From my relatively short 14 experience in the Army, I have found that senior Army leadership likes to project an image of "fair play", when playing with others (Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, etc.) is tied to the effort at hand. The Navy, particularly the SEAL Community, is steeped in an "it pays to be a winner", and an agressive "winner takes all" approach. We may effectively look down on their aproach (media feeding, OPSEC risk of exposure, etc.), but, their slow, but successful media blitz will eventually affect our (SF) budgets and mission. No, not by virtue of their appearing on a movie, video game, or documentary. But, because their popularity will beckon those with political influence to continue to assign them over SOF, writ large... And "fair play" is not in a SEAL's mentality in this regard. They will promote and benefit their own when in a position that allows for that choice.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2goj9tiZi68&feature=player_embedded

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Valor

greenberetTFS
02-01-2012, 10:30
The SEALS and Marine Corps really know how to play the PR game......... :cool: You've got to give them credit,they've become very successful in getting their message out that's for sure..........:rolleyes: Special Forces.Who?...............:eek:

Big Teddy :munchin

Badger52
02-01-2012, 10:49
The SEALS and Marine Corps really know how to play the PR game......... :cool: You've got to give them credit,they've become very successful in getting their message out that's for sure.......... Special Forces.Who?...............:eek:

I deplore the thought that it affects the rice-bowl$ concerned, but it does, and that sadly drives alot that's done in the name of "jointness." Still, SF remains above the rest & below the radar, simplistic elegance of the first order, working yourself out of a job. Now if someone needed to supply some cash & air support and have a few guys basically kick-ass and take over a country while Geraldo and the Marines were busy being on camera...
Oh. Wait, that's right.
:D

When I hear later of some outcome that was done quietly, done well, and in the name of a national objective in some far-off land - without any silverback chest-thumping - I just pour a cup of coffee and say, "nice job again, guys."

BOfH
02-01-2012, 10:55
In other words, the SEALS, and the Navy at large are using the very same tactics which have been honed by SF(PsyOps etc.) against those who control SF's purse strings... :eek:

dennisw
02-01-2012, 11:00
I finished the book(Masters of Chaos) a few weeks ago, and enjoyed it very much. I'm not sure if it provides too much information. However, I thought chapter 16 was of interest. The author discusses Major General Lambert's recipe for fighting and winning asymmetric warfare in the future and the perspective role of sf. According to General Lambert and I'm quoting the author: "The Special Forces would have permanent assignment to watch the hundred-plus terrorist groups and insurgencies around the world; to learn everthing about them - the interactions among them, the newly emerging groups and the constantly evolving asymmetric tactics. When a threat to U.S. interest appeared, it would be the job of the Special Forces to raise the flag and propose a couse of action to the national leadership....". "Special operations forces - the umbrella term for all the services'commando forces - would play two types of roles in such a broadened prevention-based strategy, roles which can be characterized as direct and indirect approaches." "It is not difficult to discern a natural division of labor. " In essence, SF would have a indirect role and be the "permanent warchers of insurgents, terrorists, and asymmetric tactics and the conductor of unconventional warfare". On page 363 she states that direct action missions would be undertaken by Delta, Seals and Rangers.

This is a post from an old thread(see link below). It seems the division of labor projected by General Lambert is coming to fruition. This new division of labor plus the points made by Basenshukai above, could have a major impact on the role of SF. Is it a disastrous evolution?

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3933&highlight=masters+chaos

Also, the article in this thread was written by an ex SEAL. IMHO it seems unsavory and in bad form for someone in the community to use the phrase "America's premier Special Operations force." This kind of self promotion would not seem to garner respect.

Dad
02-01-2012, 15:56
I don't know if the question is in the proper place, or even proper. But, they are doing a LOT of advertising for a movie on TV and promoting the stars as real life active duty SEALS? Is this possible? they have the time? I don't think the President is responsible for the commercials.

Basenshukai
02-01-2012, 21:46
I don't know if the question is in the proper place, or even proper. But, they are doing a LOT of advertising for a movie on TV and promoting the stars as real life active duty SEALS? Is this possible? they have the time? I don't think the President is responsible for the commercials.

The only thing responsible for a movie where active duty Navy SEALs are the actual stars of the show is their own insatiable appetite for media attention. They understand that funding comes from Congress, which is run by politicians who like to look good and to be associated with what is popular. It's called marketing.

alright4u
02-02-2012, 05:41
I lived in the Tidewater area prior to college and the Army. I had a friend, a Navy LT JG, who showed me around Little Creek. Later , I knew a SEAL from that base. I frankly think all this naming of the team is possibly endangering the families of these men. I hope I am wrong. I must admit the officer's club at Little Creek in the late 60's was maybe the best club as far as food goes.