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Paslode
01-24-2012, 18:49
Prince Law Offices, P.C.

SHOT Show 2012 – ATF Town Hall Meeting and NFATCA Meeting – Dealers and Manufacturers Take Notice
January 20, 2012

The ATF Town Hall meeting was held on Wednesday, January 18, 2012, and the NFATCA meeting was held tonight. While there was nothing earth shattering from the Town Hall meeting, there were some very interesting issues that were discussed at the NFATCA meeting.

With regards to the ATF Town Hall, the big issue discussed was the impending changes to the residency requirements for an alien. On December 22, 2012, the ATF issued an open letter to all FFLs regarding changes to its interpretation of of the residency requirement for aliens. Currently, 27 CFR 478.11 provides that residency be determined differently for US citizens than for legal aliens. As the letter states, “A U.S. citizen’s State of residence is the State in which he or she is present with the intention of making a home; while an alien is considered a resident of a State if he or she has resided in that State for a period of at least 90 days prior to the date of transfer with the intention of making a home.”

ATF is now entering into rulemaking to remove the 90-day residency requirement for legal aliens. However, until rulemaking is complete, the current regulation still applies. Nevertheless, ATF stated that no Industry Operations Inspector (IOI) should cite an FFL for not complying with this documentation requirement. Accordingly, if you are cited for an failure to comply with this requirement, contact me immediately to discuss your options.

Also discussed was the fact that all manufacturers will have until April 2nd, 2012 (not April 1, 2012) to file their annual manufacturing report. While ATF will mail you out a copy, if you don’t receive a copy or want to be ahead of the curve, here is a copy of the ATF Form 5300.11. For those who are unaware, you can file this report via email by emailing it to AFMER2@atf.gov. You will receive a confirmation email of their receipt of the form within several days. If you have questions about filling out the 5300.11, most of your questions can be answered here. And yes, even if you did not manufacture a single firearm, you must submit the form.

When the ATF was asked the status of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature being removed from the Form 1 and Form 4, ATF would only acknowledge that it was aware of the request, that the request had merit, but that it was still being reviewed internally at ATF and there was absolutely no time frame established for a determination, since even if ATF was in agreement, it would require them to go through rulemaking, which would seem to indicate that we are at least a year away from any change.

The issue of ATF Form 1 and Form 4 processing was also brought up. ATF’s response was that they are under the hiring freeze of the DOJ and while they have attempted to bring in temporary employees and move people around from different departments, due to the increase in NFA applications, the wait time of 4 – 6 months is not likely to change anytime soon.

During the NFATCA meeting, it was disclosed that the ATF, as of last week, has changed its opinion regarding the proper procedure for deactivating a barrel for importation. Previously, ATF issued a letter stating that drilling three holes into the barrel was sufficient. While destroying the functionality of the barrel, it allowed for the barrel to be used in a dummy-gun for a collector, who basically desired a non-functioning replica of a particular firearm. ATF has now announced that it is requiring any such imported barrel to be torch cut in three locations.

Also, ATF has now stated that after having the Department of Justice (DOJ), Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) review 18 U.S.C. § 922, it has been decided by OLC that a manufacture may stockpile as many post-86 machineguns as that manufacturer sees fit; however, only the manufacturer may manufacture the post-86 machinegun. What this means, is that it is no longer acceptable or legal, even if the manufacturer has a variance approving the following, for one manufacturer to manufacture the receiver, register the receiver on a Form 2, and then transfer the receiver on a Form 3 to another manufacturer for completion. The OLC has determined that the only transfer of a post-86 machinegun is to a law enforcement agency. There are clearly other concerning issues with regards to this that I will not address, in the hopes that they have eluded ATF.

Lastly, the NFATCA informed everyone that ATF is under specific direction that anything less than 100% during a compliance inspection must result in some form of administrative action. ATF will be conducting compliance inspections of all dealers within 36 months; the days of not having a compliance inspection for 10 years are a thing of the past.

And that is pretty much all the hot topics from the ATF Town Hall meeting and NFATCA meeting.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2012/01/20/shot-show-2012-atf-town-hall-meeting-and-nfatca-meeting-dealers-and-manufacturers-take-notice/

The Reaper
01-24-2012, 19:38
http://blog.princelaw.com/2012/01/20/shot-show-2012-atf-town-hall-meeting-and-nfatca-meeting-dealers-and-manufacturers-take-notice/

The lunatics are truly running the asylum now. :rolleyes:

TR

Paslode
01-24-2012, 20:12
The lunatics are truly running the asylum now. :rolleyes:

TR



Aside from maybe a more rigorous compliance, the highlights listed seemed pretty innocuous, and when compared with the seminar schedules program info (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/industry/shot-show-2012.html) it looks like a helpful source of information.

But having attended building code classes, one can generally find at least one change which to get your shorts in a knot.


And like code class, if you are a dealer that missed the ATF seminar it might be important to review the materials.

JJ_BPK
01-25-2012, 04:37
Thanks for posting..



When the ATF was asked the status of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer signature being removed from the Form 1 and Form 4, ATF would only acknowledge that it was aware of the request, that the request had merit, but that it was still being reviewed internally at ATF and there was absolutely no time frame established for a determination, since even if ATF was in agreement, it would require them to go through rulemaking, which would seem to indicate that we are at least a year away from any change.


This is good,, if it happens.



The issue of ATF Form 1 and Form 4 processing was also brought up. ATF’s response was that they are under the hiring freeze of the DOJ and while they have attempted to bring in temporary employees and move people around from different departments, due to the increase in NFA applications, the wait time of 4 – 6 months is not likely to change anytime soon.


Bureaucrats,, nuff said?? :mad:


During the NFATCA meeting, it was disclosed that the ATF, as of last week, has changed its opinion regarding the proper procedure for deactivating a barrel for importation. Previously, ATF issued a letter stating that drilling three holes into the barrel was sufficient. While destroying the functionality of the barrel, it allowed for the barrel to be used in a dummy-gun for a collector, who basically desired a non-functioning replica of a particular firearm. ATF has now announced that it is requiring any such imported barrel to be torch cut in three locations.


This is a waste.. :mad:



Also, ATF has now stated that after having the Department of Justice (DOJ), Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) review 18 U.S.C. § 922, it has been decided by OLC that a manufacture may stockpile as many post-86 machineguns as that manufacturer sees fit; however, only the manufacturer may manufacture the post-86 machinegun. What this means, is that it is no longer acceptable or legal, even if the manufacturer has a variance approving the following, for one manufacturer to manufacture the receiver, register the receiver on a Form 2, and then transfer the receiver on a Form 3 to another manufacturer for completion. The OLC has determined that the only transfer of a post-86 machinegun is to a law enforcement agency. There are clearly other concerning issues with regards to this that I will not address, in the hopes that they have eluded ATF.


This and the following could spell trouble. There are many small manufactures that can not produce frames, for lack of expensive tooling. Example: Red Jacket Firearms (Sons of Guns). They can machine most parts, but the bulk of their sales are re-manufactured arms, like the Izmash AK shotguns.


Lastly, the NFATCA informed everyone that ATF is under specific direction that anything less than 100% during a compliance inspection must result in some form of administrative action. ATF will be conducting compliance inspections of all dealers within 36 months; the days of not having a compliance inspection for 10 years are a thing of the past.


This seems like a show stopper,, in that the ATF can start pulling FFL's in court for ANYTHING.. This puts the FFL guilty until proven innocent..

:(

Paslode
01-25-2012, 08:22
The ATF seems to be taking lessons from the EPA, all of which hurts small businesses, limits consumer choice and increases consumer prices.

The Reaper
01-25-2012, 19:51
This seems like a show stopper,, in that the ATF can start pulling FFL's in court for ANYTHING.. This puts the FFL guilty until proven innocent..

:(

Exactly.

What is the BATFE's standard for firearms losses within their agency?

If it isn't 100% among the inspectors, how can you hold the individuals you are inspecting to that standard?

Or is this a case of, don't do as I do, do as I say?

The ATF seems to be taking lessons from the EPA, all of which hurts small businesses, limits consumer choice and increases consumer prices.

Steel on target.

And why do you think that is?

Political pressure maybe?

Where is the DoJ and AG's office with this?

Right in the middle of it.

TR

Paslode
01-25-2012, 20:38
And why do you think that is?

Political pressure maybe?

Where is the DoJ and AG's office with this?

Right in the middle of it.

TR


In regards to the EPA, each new regulation in my field limits the playing field and redistributes more wealth. If you're a bureaucrat you could claim it helped creates secondary and tertiary jobs.

The political pressure comes from big corporations using political tools to restrict their competitors and grab market share. You also have manufacturers lobbying for some cause that will benefit their product. In addition to all that you have architects and engineers working on behalf Big Corp.....which is similar to academics getting paid to back up a certain theory.

And lastly you have the ICC Experts (similar to our politicians), who have a job because of code changes. If the code doesn't change or municipalities don't adopt new code they have no reason to exist. I think it was 2009 when ICC laid off like 40% of their staff because the changes in code were so few that municipalities remained on the older code...fewer code book sales.....fewer classes....etc.


As for the ATF, it takes no thought to know the Brady Bunch, DoJ & Holdar would love to see extreme enforcement of FFL's. But after reading JJ comments the first thought that came to my mind was Freedom Group and/or another similar group that has a huge investment, is looking for a return and additional market share.

Both EPA and the ATF are slowly pushing people towards the edge.....who is John Galt

35NCO
01-26-2012, 08:01
"... the wait time of 4 – 6 months is not likely to change anytime soon."

4-6 months?!?

I do not know how everyone else is going, but my last transfer is over the 11 month mark now. Called them, "..still pending".

I actually use a trust I got from Prince Law. The cans I have bought in the past, pre-fast and furious media, normally took about 2-4 months. They generally came abnormally fast. Now I have a mk18 SBR that is just taking forever, with no explanation. I do not want to buy anything else until the numbers get better. I understand patience in NFA, but this is getting stupid. My dealer said that the worst he ever had took 1 year 3 months!

Prince law also published an article in his blog about the BATFE possibly being disbanded and made a part of the FBI. I think that would be a good idea, if they ever do it.

http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/09/30/will-atf-be-disbanded-the-shocking-revelation/

ATF has been a failure since day one. I believe the history is that, in 1934 when the gangsters had machine guns and the feds did not, they created the parts of the NFA. What is interesting is law enforcement could not have machine guns until that law was created. So overnight, the feds then had machine guns, and the guns of the Gangsters were outlawed. Making sure the feds had more power than the bad guys. The situation makes sense for law enforcement, but there was not a need for the law, until the feds were outgunned. I think that still rings true today.

They do not like people having the same weapons they do, and will do anything they can to discredit the idea of people owning "semi-auto assault weapons" or NFA. I understand the principle of why they want this, but they just keep making "rulings" after ruling where they write whatever they want to make it harder and harder every day to even be in the interest of buying guns, or attempting to keep a FFL or SOT.

End rant...:mad:

One more thing, why dident anyone ask when the electronic Form 1 and Form 4 will be available for submission on the ATF site? That would seriously help the processing problem for individuals and Manufactures.

Paslode
01-26-2012, 09:18
Both my NFA items took right around 90 days, but that was 2-3 years ago.

My CCH took right around 60 days and was far more intrusive than sending my forms to the BATFE. My initial thought after submitting myself to the rigors of the CCH, was that once my CCH was approved I ought to be able to walk in any gun store, purchase any weapon or device I want and I should be able to leave with it in my procession without a waiting period, a NCIS Check or the BATFE approval.

The state took 59 days and 23.5 hours longer than NCIS, they did what the BATFE in 30 days less time, and they did a far more thorough examination of me than either. And they have my ugly mug shot and all 10 digits on file which neither the BATFE or NCIS had done.

To a large degree portions of the BATFE bureaucracy are there for no other reason than to bottleneck the process, control distribution, to curtail sales and to harass and abuse law abiding US Citizens.

And time and time again people die from their skullduggery over things like the definition of a short barreled shot gun. They are more worried about a person selling 2 of those than the 1000's the real traffickers are peddling.

It is absolute insanity.

That may be a bit off topic, but what I am getting at is when we are talking about John Q. Public and Public Safty there are far more efficient means to get the job done and they are in place at the State level.