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Paslode
12-23-2011, 12:15
These ass clowns aren't LEO's and I would be surprised if those titles they carry require any training, it is more like Paul Bart Mall Cop or Sam Collector at the Toll booth running traffic stops.


latimes.com
TSA screenings aren't just for airports anymore
Roving security teams increasingly visit train stations, subways and other mass transit sites to deter terrorism. Critics say it's largely political theater.

By Brian Bennett, Washington Bureau

5:03 PM PST, December 20, 2011

Reporting from Charlotte, N.C.
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Rick Vetter was rushing to board the Amtrak train in Charlotte, N.C., on a recent Sunday afternoon when a canine officer suddenly blocked the way.

Three federal air marshals in bulletproof vests and two officers trained to spot suspicious behavior watched closely as Seiko, a German shepherd, nosed Vetter's trousers for chemical traces of a bomb. Radiation detectors carried by the marshals scanned the 57-year-old lawyer for concealed nuclear materials.

When Seiko indicated a scent, his handler, Julian Swaringen, asked Vetter whether he had pets at home in Garner, N.C. Two mutts, Vetter replied. "You can go ahead," Swaringen said.

The Transportation Security Administration isn't just in airports anymore. TSA teams are increasingly conducting searches and screenings at train stations, subways, ferry terminals and other mass transit locations around the country.

"We are not the Airport Security Administration," said Ray Dineen, the air marshal in charge of the TSA office in Charlotte. "We take that transportation part seriously."

The TSA's 25 "viper" teams — for Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response — have run more than 9,300 unannounced checkpoints and other search operations in the last year. Department of Homeland Security officials have asked Congress for funding to add 12 more teams next year.

According to budget documents, the department spent $110 million in fiscal 2011 for "surface transportation security," including the TSA's viper program, and is asking for an additional $24 million next year. That compares with more than $5 billion for aviation security.

TSA officials say they have no proof that the roving viper teams have foiled any terrorist plots or thwarted any major threat to public safety. But they argue that the random nature of the searches and the presence of armed officers serve as a deterrent and bolster public confidence.

"We have to keep them [terrorists] on edge," said Frank Cilluffo, director of the Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University in Washington. "We're not going to have a permanent presence everywhere."

U.S. officials note that digital files recovered from Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan after he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in May included evidence that the Al Qaeda leader had considered an attack on U.S. railways in February 2010. Over the last decade, deadly bombings have hit subways or trains in Moscow; Mumbai, India; Madrid; and London.

But critics say that without a clear threat, the TSA checkpoints are merely political theater. Privacy advocates worry that the agency is stretching legal limits on the government's right to search U.S. citizens without probable cause — and with no proof that the scattershot checkpoints help prevent attacks.

"It's a great way to make the public think you are doing something," said Fred H. Cate, a professor at the Indiana University Maurer School of Law, who writes on privacy and security. "It's a little like saying, 'If we start throwing things up in the air, will they hit terrorists?' ''

Such criticism is nothing new to the TSA.

The agency came under fresh fire this month when three elderly women with medical devices complained that TSA agents had strip-searched them in separate incidents at John F. Kennedy International Airport. Lenore Zimmerman, 84, said she was ordered to pull down her pants after she refused to pass through a full body scanner because she was afraid the machine would interfere with her heart defibrillator.

TSA officials denied the women were strip-searched, but they announced plans to create a toll-free telephone number for passengers with medical conditions who require assistance in airport screening lines. TSA officials said they also are considering a proposal by Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) to designate a passengers advocate at every airport.

The TSA's viper program hasn't drawn that kind of attention, although it is increasingly active.

In Tennessee in October, a viper team used radiation monitors and explosive-trace detectors to help state police inspect trucks at highway weigh stations throughout the state. Last month in Orlando, Fla., a team set up metal detectors at a Greyhound bus station and tested passengers' bags for explosive residue.

In the Carolinas this year, TSA teams have checked people at the gangplanks of cruise ships, the entrance to NASCAR races, and at ferry terminals taking tourists to the Outer Banks.

At the Charlotte train station on Dec. 11, Seiko, the bomb-sniffing dog, snuffled down a line of about 100 passengers waiting to board an eastbound train. Many were heading home after watching the Charlotte Panthers NFL team lose to the Atlanta Falcons after holding a 16-point lead.

No one seemed especially perturbed by the TSA team.

"It's probably overkill," said Karen Stone, 26, after a behavior-detection officer asked her about the Panthers game and her trip home to Raleigh.

"It's cool," said Marcus Baldwin, 21, who was heading home to Mebane, near Burlington, where he waits tables to help pay for computer technology classes. "They're doing what our tax money is paying them to do."

"I'm mostly curious," said Barbara Spencer, 75, who was heading home to Chapel Hill after watching her grandson perform in a Christmas play. She asked the officers whether a terrorist threat had required the extra security. No, they replied.

Vetter, the lawyer, had attended the game with his son, Noah. They jogged for the train after Seiko had finished his sniff, but Vetter had bigger worries on his mind. "The Panthers blew it," he said.

brian.bennett@latimes.com

Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-terror-checkpoints-20111220,0,3213641.story

Ret10Echo
12-23-2011, 12:19
From this story on Fox...

Beset By Strife at Chemical Security Office, DHS Internal Report Claims Anti-Terrorism Program Now In Jeopardy (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/21/exclusive-beset-by-strife-at-dhs-office-future-anti-terrorism-program-now-in/)

Given the following observation by the investigators


"Despite their lack of law enforcement authority, some still actively seek the right to carry a firearm," the internal report reads. "They wear their uniforms as a symbol of identity and authority rather than a tool to be used when performing work inappropriate for office attire. The insistence upon titles such as 'commander' further demonstrates an emotionally charged reluctance to let go of past false assumptions about the nature of the work."


Why would you expect anything otherwise?

fng13
12-23-2011, 12:57
What happened to things like "reasonable expectation of privacy," "illegal search and seizure," "probable cause," and "search warrants?"

Isn't this the type of thing people used to come to America to get away from?

It seems to me as an every day Joe, that we win the battles of the GWOT but we are losing the war at home.

I understand that for a civilized society to function some freedoms must be surrendered but it seems to me that there is a point of diminishing returns on the amount of safety increased compared to the amount of freedom lost.

I don't mean to come across as over the top but everyday in the news there is some new regulation blah blah meant to increase my safety. At some point we have to accept that there is always going to be some risk, and I think most people can live with that.

YMMV

rdret1
12-23-2011, 15:40
In this particular case, where they are using a dog to sniff around the area of a person or their belongings, a search warrant is not required. If I am not mistaken, they are also placing U.S. Marshalls with the VIPER teams for LE support.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20050201.html

Quietus
12-23-2011, 16:27
All this confirms the decision of me and mine, to boycott public transportation back during the ramping-up days in the fall of '01.

I do not think that it has been a bad choice, although I wish that me and mine could make a harder economic hit. Two people who refuse to play the Fed game, don't count for much.

Paslode
12-23-2011, 16:44
In this particular case, where they are using a dog to sniff around the area of a person or their belongings, a search warrant is not required. If I am not mistaken, they are also placing U.S. Marshalls with the VIPER teams for LE support.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20050201.html

Sounds like a lame set-up for the Republic and it's inhabitants....US Marshall's set up as advisers and building up Obama's 'Civilian Security Force' whose theme music ought to be Police Truck by the Dead Kennedy's.

fng13
12-23-2011, 21:27
In this particular case, where they are using a dog to sniff around the area of a person or their belongings, a search warrant is not required. If I am not mistaken, they are also placing U.S. Marshalls with the VIPER teams for LE support.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20050201.html

Not trying to be a smart-ass but the article you cited specifically states that the supreme court ruling doesn't address whether or not people being sniffed by dogs violates their 4th amendment protection. I contend that it does in cases where it is being used solely to develop probable cause for further search.

I also am a little taken a back by the idea of spot inspections by any authority not violating constitutional protections. It just seems to be a slippery slope to "papers please."

Paslode
12-23-2011, 23:14
Not trying to be a smart-ass but the article you cited specifically states that the supreme court ruling doesn't address whether or not people being sniffed by dogs violates their 4th amendment protection. I contend that it does in cases where it is being used solely to develop probable cause for further search.

I also am a little taken a back by the idea of spot inspections by any authority not violating constitutional protections. It just seems to be a slippery slope to "papers please."

Some of them aren't bright enough to know what papers are.....or back braces, or colostomy bags. These folks are people who answered a Help Wanted Ad that offered a pay check, a uniform, a badge, the appearance of AUTHORITY and the opportunity to take indecent privileges on the unsuspecting.

Remember Ned Beatty in Deliverance! That's the TSA....or at least what we hear most often.

They aren't trained Law Enforcement, they are not Law Enforcement Officers and they don't know the Law.


Useful idiots or hired goons? You be the judge.

rdret1
01-01-2012, 12:51
Not trying to be a smart-ass but the article you cited specifically states that the supreme court ruling doesn't address whether or not people being sniffed by dogs violates their 4th amendment protection. I contend that it does in cases where it is being used solely to develop probable cause for further search.

I also am a little taken a back by the idea of spot inspections by any authority not violating constitutional protections. It just seems to be a slippery slope to "papers please."

Incorrect. It states the decision does not DIRECTLY address this question but SUGGESTS that the answer would be NO. As in most cases of this nature, the basic decision will be relied upon as a guide until the specific question itself is presented to the SCOTUS in a possible future case.

If you read the case itself, rather than the article, you will find that the reasoning is that the dog is simply detecting odors present in the air around the person or vehicle, instead of performing an invasive search of one's property such as reaching into a pocket. Because the air around a person cannot be considered the property of that person, the dog is not performing a "search" within the boundaries of the 4th Amendment.

BigJimCalhoun
01-01-2012, 20:16
So what happens if I have a firearm and am carrying concealed in a lawful manner? Am I to be detained or searched based on a smell?

Paslode
01-01-2012, 21:35
So what happens if I have a firearm and am carrying concealed in a lawful manner? Am I to be detained or searched based on a smell?

Show'em your license to carry and I bet after an hour of confusion you be on your way.

Go Devil
01-01-2012, 21:56
Show'em your license to carry and I bet after an hour of confusion you be on your way.

The problem is, is that, time is the most valuable resource in the world and is subject to their confusion.

Penn
01-02-2012, 07:47
mpov: as social unrest continues to build momentum, a result of the welfare state inability to continue the free ride supported by a fiat currency; the ruling elite will continue the progressive assault on individual liberties in order to remain in power, not to enforce the rule of law.

I have a friend who is an Air Marshall. He was offered a promotion to join a unit that would randomly detain and search American travelers….everywhere, including private motor vehicle stops. Trend

Gun control as a race issue. We live in a country that has 80% of its 350 million citizens based in cities and suburbs. Approximately 40 million, or 13% are African Americans and 60%, or 24 million of the AA population lives in America’s cities, in poor neighborhood, with limited services.....

The preemptive Paternal language and heighten rhetoric from the ruling elite will focus on encouraging the black leadership in America to disarm itself, by citing the need to “To curb, prevent, black on black crime”. The ruling elite will play this race card to enlist the total support of the black community to consent to voluntarily disarming themselves; and the rest of America in the process. Established under the guise of citizenship and responsibility to each other, the goal for the ruling elite is removing the threat of 40% of the American population from being armed and a threat. Particularly, as the economy and the linked social services continue to decline in urban areas, civil unrest is sure to follow. Trend in progress, listen to Bloomberg.

http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22589&highlight=martial+law+possibility

Team Sergeant
01-02-2012, 08:32
The greatest threat to Freedom does not come from outside the United States.

Our Freedom of movement is not hampered by terrorists it is hampered by DHS.

Of the current 312,788,413 (http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html)Americans none were "stopped" and stripped of their Freedom of movement in the last decade by a terrorist.



"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin 1775

greenberetTFS
01-02-2012, 15:17
Some of them aren't bright enough to know what papers are.....or back braces, or colostomy bags. These folks are people who answered a Help Wanted Ad that offered a pay check, a uniform, a badge, the appearance of AUTHORITY and the opportunity to take indecent privileges on the unsuspecting....

They aren't trained Law Enforcement, they are not Law Enforcement Officers and they don't know the Law.

Useful idiots or hired goons? You be the judge.

You've hit it right on the head!!!.............:mad::mad::mad:

Big Teddy :munchin

ddoering
01-03-2012, 06:25
What happened to things like "reasonable expectation of privacy," "illegal search and seizure," "probable cause," and "search warrants?"

Isn't this the type of thing people used to come to America to get away from?

It seems to me as an every day Joe, that we win the battles of the GWOT but we are losing the war at home.

I understand that for a civilized society to function some freedoms must be surrendered but it seems to me that there is a point of diminishing returns on the amount of safety increased compared to the amount of freedom lost.

I don't mean to come across as over the top but everyday in the news there is some new regulation blah blah meant to increase my safety. At some point we have to accept that there is always going to be some risk, and I think most people can live with that.

YMMV

The government is not going to let a little thing like that pesky constitution to get in the way of keeping you safe. I like the title of "Commander." I wonder what the KSAs are for the job....

fng13
01-03-2012, 07:39
The government is not going to let a little thing like that pesky constitution to get in the way of keeping you safe. I like the title of "Commander." I wonder what the KSAs are for the job....

I am sure they have strict hiring standards and an intensive screening and selections process, before sending candidates to a well run schoolhouse.

The truth may vary...;)

Streck-Fu
01-03-2012, 08:42
If you read the case itself, rather than the article, you will find that the reasoning is that the dog is simply detecting odors present in the air around the person or vehicle, instead of performing an invasive search of one's property such as reaching into a pocket. Because the air around a person cannot be considered the property of that person, the dog is not performing a "search" within the boundaries of the 4th Amendment.

It becomes problematic when the dogs are wrong, as they often are..LINK (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/12/in_futile_car_search_for_drugs.html)

In futile car search for drugs, Pompton Lakes police inflict $12K worth of damage

When Pompton Lakes police seized Darren Richardson’s car on a rainy September afternoon, they told him it was headed for an impound lot. When they returned it three weeks later, he says, the 2004 BMW belonged in a junk yard.

The instrument cluster and leather dashboard were gone. The caramel-colored seats were torn up. The gear shift was ripped out and stray wires hung limp everywhere. Geico, Richardson’s insurance company estimated the damage at $12,636.42 — more than he paid for the car — and declared the vehicle a "total loss."

According to police reports, the damage to the black BMW 325i came in the aftermath of a traffic stop during which officers detected a "strong odor of raw marijuana" inside the vehicle. Searching for a cache of drugs, members of three different police agencies and a detective from a federal drug task force spent two days tearing the car apart, the reports said.

So what did police find after their $12,000 search?

Absolutely nothing.

Paslode
01-03-2012, 09:53
In futile car search for drugs, Pompton Lakes police inflict $12K worth of damage

So what did police find after their $12,000 search?

Absolutely nothing.


Along those same lines, many years ago an estranged relative of mine was woken from his sleep in rural Kansas by gun shots, at least one broken door and men shouting. All courtesy of the KBI, DEA, FBI and other agencies.

All that on a 'rumor' that one of the relatives adult son's was growing pot on the property, which is quite possible, but it neither of the son's was into sales.

The oldest son told me that his brother at one time may have had 2-5 plants in his bedroom........hardly deserving of a No-Knock and the tax dollars involved.

The Agencies left with nothing, no one left in cuffs and none of the victims were bothered again. The unsuspecting relative was left with the tab........a broken door, holes in walls, a ransacked house and 2 dead dogs.


I suspect, if the TSA gets weaponized we can expect these type incidents to take a drastic increase.

The Reaper
01-03-2012, 18:52
The government is not going to let a little thing like that pesky constitution to get in the way of keeping you safe. I like the title of "Commander." I wonder what the KSAs are for the job....

Apparently, if you are a Democratic candidate, none.

TR