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I went into a local owned hunting shop yesterday to kill time with the wife. The shop sales consignment weapons so I like to browse. I ran across a Mauser rifle for $375 dated from 1910 with original bayonet, or at least that's what the owner says it is dated at. The price struck me as odd so I was wondering if anyone here might tell me if that is a reasonable price for the rifle if it is what the owner claims it to be? I think it is but I'm not a pro at eye balling antique weapons.
Streck-Fu
12-21-2011, 07:07
I went into a local owned hunting shop yesterday to kill time with the wife. The shop sales consignment weapons so I like to browse. I ran across a Mauser rifle for $375 dated from 1910 with original bayonet, or at least that's what the owner says it is dated at. The price struck me as odd so I was wondering if anyone here might tell me if that is a reasonable price for the rifle if it is what the owner claims it to be? I think it is but I'm not a pro at eye balling antique weapons.
Sorry, I needed to finish my coffee before posting... :p ....I didn't realize I actually hit submit on that post....
I'm not too familiar with the Belgians. I have a Chilean modelo 1895 which more common in the US so may not be worth as much. I paid $300 without a bayonet a couple of years ago.
One thing to consider is that I think the Belgian was chambered for a unique cartridge larger than the 7x57 found in the model 93 and 95 Mausers of that time. 7.6mm or so comes to mind....
I really enjoy shooting the Chilean as it's pretty accurate. The sights suck like on all Mausers but I was hitting 12" steel at 250 yards.
If I recall correctly, the markings had Belgium on it. Can't recall exactly but according to the store owner, the owner of said weapon is a WW2 vet that has a massive collection of high end collectors pieces and is very credible. Again, hearsay, but it was a gorgeous functional piece. Currently trying to convince Household 6 to get me a long range Christmas present. :D
The shop sales consignment weapons .....
Just realized how horrible my grammar is.....the shop sales? Really?
Streck-Fu
12-21-2011, 07:32
Edited above.....I posted before coffee which is something I try not to do....:cool:
Not a problem, I just finished mine. Causes problems when you work in a shop like mine.
SSG C,
Don't buy it until you know exactly what it is! Easy to get stung on old military guns. Best reference is probably an older copy of "small arms of the world" by Ezell. I believe the later belgian guns were all 7mm Mauser but I cannot guarantee that. If it is not a 98 action I would avoid it. The M93 and M95 are ok but not worth the $$$ but absolutely avoid the M1889 or M1891, easily identifed by a magazine box that projets from the bottom of the receiver. You can find pictures of the M98s, M95s and M93's on the internet. Once you have looked at them you should be able to quickly idenitfy one form another.
MVP
MVP,
After looking at the photos of the three I can easily say it's an M93.
Streck-Fu
12-21-2011, 09:20
Some information on the 93 Mauser. LINK (http://207.36.233.89/mauser93spanish/index.asp)
The 98s are much stronger benefiting from advances in metallurgy but I'm (mostly :p ) comfortable shooting the 95 but wouldn't venture into the 93 series.
I'm torn......get this now and wait longer for the Daniel Defense M4.......or just get the DD sooner........:confused:
mojaveman
12-21-2011, 09:46
If you're looking specifically for a nice shootable Mauser take a look at the Yugoslavs either in M48 or M24/47. You can probably find a nice one for less than three bills.
Streck-Fu
12-21-2011, 09:53
I really like the M48 and they are less expensive. They shoot the 8x57 and are lighter so the recoil is a little more bruising. It is a post war variant of the German K98 made with the German tooling. It does have a shorter action so the parts are not interchangeable. It is the last of the 98 style Mausers.
For disclosure, I own and shoot the following:
1895 Chilean Mauser
Swiss K31
Finnish M39 (Mosin variant)
Yugoslavian M48
M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
Streck-Fu
12-21-2011, 11:41
MVP,
After looking at the photos of the three I can easily say it's an M93.
Go by the markings on the receiver. Can you go back and get pictures?
Also, ask the people that post here: LINK (http://forums.gunboards.com/forumdisplay.php?5-The-Military-Mauser-Forum)
I'm gonna try to go back today if I can. Hopefully will get some pictures.
IIRC the first Belgian produced version of the Mauser 98 was a 1935 model in 7mm Mauser aka 7x57. A friend of mine brought back an "FN" marked 98 from an MTT to Lebannon in the mid 80's. I got it from him as a curiousity because it was actually not an FN but rather one of the guns made in the Khyber Pass. Looked damn close to an FN gun but the markings were screwed up with misspellings. If the gun is marked 1910 and it has a straight grip I would bet on it being a 93 or 95. Chamber dates mean nothing, look at the left side of the receiver for either a "Mod ??" or a plain number by itself. Now I think about it I do not recall having ever seen a 93 or 95 marked with a model name.
MVP
Correction, its a 1910 swedish mauser 96. Now.....is 375 fair for that......really good condition
mojaveman
12-23-2011, 11:03
The Swedish made some excellent Mausers and the 6.5X55mm is a formidable cartridge. In buying any used firearm and in particular an older one, take a good look at the throat and also the rest of the bore.
After reading that I want it just to have in my collection......Hope the wife caught the hint:D
They are selling in Germany for between 499-699 Euro ($650-$912)based on condition.
http://www.frankonia.de/436770/282137/productdetail.html?pagingSize=16&sortOption=f_n_sortmatrix_30_70_50_30&page=2&displayType=gallery&articleNumber=77340&navCategoryId=6773
But, checkout gunbroker...
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=266056909
MVP
DesertRat
12-23-2011, 19:01
I would buy but then again I like guns. My local purveyor just walked into the shop with M1D with optics.Why cant I like the less expensive stuff...
Streck-Fu
12-27-2011, 07:40
Allan's Armory sells them for $400....LINK (http://www.allans-armory.com/aaresult.php?PageId=59)
I went back to do a little research on it and after review, it has matching numbers, it is a Carl Gustav 1910, has the data disc on the stock.....and I'm still trying to convince the wife that we need it for the zombie apocalypse:(
Most Swedish mausers are match numbered (they never went to war). The M-96 Gustafs rifles are selling from $300.00 to $350.00. The Oberndorf 96s about $100.00 more. They are primarily chambered for the 6.5X55 Swede. Ive owned both the 96 rifles and M-94 Carbines. Both are sweet shooters. Fabrique de Nationale of Herstal, Belgium also made a small contract amount of M-96 one of these price wise is a whole different story. If your wife does relent and thinks its a good idea to have one, take some good clear pictures and post them on: http://forums.gunboards.com/ under the appropriate category.
This site is a wealth of information for WWI & WWII weaponry, including handguns.
There are quite a few experts that can tell you anything about a particular weapon that you would want to know.
Belgian produced version of the Mauser 98 was a 1935 model in 7mm Mauser aka 7x57.
Actually, the Model 1935 short rifle which was quite identifieable by the stylized L and Crown (for Leopold King of the Belgians) was produced in the 7.65X53 cartridge. This cartridge was also used in the Argentine Modelo 1909. Probably one of the smoothest of all the Mauser Actions.
Dozer523
12-28-2011, 14:01
I went back to do a little research on it and after review, it has matching numbers, it is a Carl Gustav 1910, has the data disc on the stock.....and I'm still trying to convince the wife that we need it for the zombie apocalypse:(She bought you a straight razor. She's trying to kill you (and with your own hands). You don't need it for zombies. :p
but I'm (mostly ) comfortable shooting the 95
The 93 & 95 line of Mausers cock on the "go in", whereas the Mod 98 cocks when the bolt handle is lifted. The 93&95s are both nice shooters when they are kept within specs and cartridge size. Originally chambered for the 7X 57 Round, some of these weapons were converted to 7.62 NATO. THESE are the ones to be avoided. If you have any desire to collect these types of weapons, here is some information that you should retain.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/1895Chile.html