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Streck-Fu
11-16-2011, 08:42
Because it scares the urbanite hikers....:rolleyes:

LINK (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/11/16/obama-pushing-shooters-off-public-lands)

Obama Pushing Shooters Off Public Lands

Gun owners who have historically been able to use public lands for target practice would be barred from potentially millions of acres under new rules drafted by the Interior Department, the first major move by the Obama administration to impose limits on firearms.

Officials say the administration is concerned about the potential clash between gun owners and encroaching urban populations who like to use same land for hiking and dog walking.

"It's not so much a safety issue. It's a social conflict issue," said Frank Jenks, a natural resource specialist with Interior's Bureau of Land Management, which oversees 245 million acres. He adds that urbanites "freak out" when they hear shooting on public lands.

If the draft policy is finally approved, some public access to Bureau lands to hunters would also be limited, potentially reducing areas deer, elk, and bear hunters can use in the West.

Conservationists and hunting groups, however, are mounting a fight. One elite group of conservationists that advises Interior and Agriculture is already pushing BLM to junk the regulations, claiming that shooters are being held to a much higher safety standard than other users of public lands, such as ATV riders.

"They are just trying to make it so difficult for recreational shooters," said Gary Kania, vice president of the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation. His group is one of several, including the National Wildlife Foundation, Cabela's and Ducks Unlimited, on the Wildlife and Hunting Heritage Conservation Council fighting the new rules. During a two-day meeting ending this afternoon, they are drafting their own changes to the BLM rules.

"What we probably are going to be looking forward to is a reversal," said Kania. Asked about how to handle people who freak out when they hear shots on public lands, Kania said, "I don't know how to quanitify 'freaking out,'" and noted that he's seen people panicing when fly fishing in float tubes but nobody wants to ban then from rivers.

BLM actually invited the fight, seeking the council's comments. But officials suggested to Whispers that no changes are being planned to the draft regulations.

Over five pages, the draft BLM regulations raise concerns about how shooting can cause a "public disturbance." They also raise worries about how shooting and shooters can hurt plants and litter public lands.

This is the key paragraph foes say could lead to shooters being kicked off public lands:

"When the authorized officer determines that a site or area on BLM-managed lands used on a regular basis for recreational shooting is creating public disturbance, or is creating risk to other persons on public lands; is contributing to the defacement, removal or destruction of natural features, native plants, cultural resources, historic structures or government and/or private property; is facilitating or creating a condition of littering, refuse accumulation and abandoned personal property is violating existing use restrictions, closure and restriction orders, or supplementary rules notices, and reasonable attempts to reduce or eliminate the violations by the BLM have been unsuccessful, the authorized officer will close the affected area to recreational shooting." [Check out new Debate Club about whether Congress needs to overhaul gun trafficking laws.]

Squeezing out shooters, says the draft policy, is needed because, "As the West has become more populated, recreational shooters now often find themselves in conflict with other public lands users, and the BLM is frequently called on to mediate these conflicts."

At yesterday's meeting at Interior, the council balked at the BLM draft regulations, adding that the Obama administration was not being fair to shooters on the issue of safety.

In a draft retort to BLM, the council said other users of public land aren't required to be as safe as shooters. They note that shooters have a much lower injury rate than others, like ATV users. "The policy fails to recognize that recreational shooting has one of the lowest incidences of death and injury compared to virtually any other outdoor recreational activity. The policy is prejudicial and discriminatory to target shooters as compared to other recreationists," said the council's draft response, expected to be finalized today.

What's more, the group charged that the BLM is acting in a contradictory fashion, encouraging the shooting sports while limiting shooting areas.

Badger52
11-16-2011, 09:00
Same thing as people who move out of town NEXT TO the local airport & then complain about the noise, then get dangerous noise-abatement rules in place or get the local airfield closed altogether.

We've been fortunate at our base - through an aggressive anti-encroachment campaign with our bordering land-owners - to avoid their family farms being sold to the proverbial "scheister from Chicago" as a vacation home. We can fire dang near everything in the inventory except a Hellfire and plan to keep it that way. (66,000 acre playground.) :D

The locals LIKE (and at times miss) the noise (it means jobs) and one even mentioned he likes coming over the rise with his tractor to see a Warthog right in front of him peeling off from the impact area.

Panty-waists.
November 2012 - GET IT DONE!
:lifter

Streck-Fu
11-16-2011, 09:07
Same thing as people who move out of town NEXT TO the local airport & then complain about the noise, then get dangerous noise-abatement rules in place or get the local airfield closed altogether.


Reminds me of my time at NAS Oceana in Va Beach....The city kept issuing build permits on land encroaching up to the airfield well within the red zone....People would buy those houses and bitch and moan when the Hornets did touch and goes over their house for hours on end. Guess who runs off to join the community anti-noise group or write op-ed pieces in the paper.

It was so common I wondered if the realtors only showed those houses at know times when they were not flying.

alelks
11-16-2011, 10:28
Oh I know, don't even get me started! My EX father-in-law moved out into the middle of nowhere then proceeded to sit on his front porch and shoot badgers and gophers with his 22 because they were ruining his lawn. Idiot.

Oh I have no problem at all with that. If I had a nice lawn and they were tearing it up they'd have to go for sure. The food chain sucks sometimes but it is what it is.

mojaveman
11-16-2011, 10:30
It's just another step by the liberal gun haters in this country to deny our right to own and use firearms. I hope that a$$hole doesn't get elected for another term.

A law like that would actually be pretty hard to enforce, at least out in the California, Arizona, Nevada deserts where you can drive for miles and not see anyone.

DesertRat
11-16-2011, 13:26
So its okay to infringe on my rights to keep others from freaking out. Inch by inch they will try to force their agenda on the public.

GratefulCitizen
11-16-2011, 14:12
Outsiders trying to come into established areas and change the culture.

People go shooting and hiking in the public lands on both sides of the Arizona/Utah border in this area.
There were some minor conflicts about it when a movie crew was filming John Carter out by Big Water.

The production company had only leased some of the area, but expected people in the non-leased areas to accomodate them.
They had security people trying to give orders.

Culture shock.

Around here, all you have to do is ask and people will accomodate.
If you try to give orders when you lack authority, them's fightin' words.

A staff member from the Big Water school was target shooting when a movie security guy told her she couldn't shoot in the area.
She begged to differ.

Her argument: "I have a gun, you don't". :D

TOMAHAWK9521
11-16-2011, 19:51
We're dealing with a lot of invasive species where I live who bitch about how they moved out to the country to get away from the big cities and guns.

On the flip side, I'm tired of going to what were the best shooting spots where sh*t heads of all stripes have trashed the area and either made them off limits for reclamation or for good because the non-shooters made a stink about the mess. :mad: