View Full Version : He still has never worn any uniform...
Cake_14N
10-24-2011, 15:28
LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/24/politics/obama-foreign-policy/index.html?hpt=hp_c1)
Yeah - I guess toppling regime's that were no threat to the US and a source of stability in the ME WOULD be a cause to celebrate in democrat circles....:rolleyes:
Not sure I'd attach my horse to these actions. We may not like how Egypt/Libya/Syria turn out....
longrange1947
10-24-2011, 15:33
My is that we will NOT like how it turns out. :munchin
Yeah - I guess toppling regime's that were no threat to the US and a source of stability in the ME WOULD be a cause to celebrate in democrat circles....:rolleyes:
Not sure I'd attach my horse to these actions. We may not like how Egypt/Libya/Syria turn out....
Iranian spheres of influence. We all know where Iraq is going as well...
......... to moderates.
Which Republican Candidate comes close to President Obama on "pulling the trigger"?
Which Republican Candidate had to give the Go-No Go for a cross border operation.
Yeah, it will play to Moderates.
Politics is politics.... and thePOTUS is very good at politics.
There was much ado about his short comings in 2008 as it related to foreign affairs. Since then the POTUS has gotten rid of bin laden, qaddafi, and awlaki (names not capitalized out of sheer disrespect) The truth is negotiable and his campaign politics will continue to blame the economy on Dubya as it assumes full responsibility for the dispatch of bin laden, qaddafi, and awlaki.
If he brings even a fraction of the military in Iraq home by the end of the year he can also claim victory on that one as well. Dubya had eight years and couldnt do it, Pres Obama did it in less than four without even disrupting his vacation schedule...
...and did it all without putting on a uniform.
I am not saying I believe any of this, and his chances of earning my vote are currently hovering somewhere around zero percent but in an election year the truth isn't what counts, its how the POTUS delivers HIS version of the truth:
Get bin laden?
DONE
Get rid of qaddafi?
DONE
End the evil war in Iraq?
DONE
Universal health care?
DONE
DADT repealed, gays in the military?
DONE
Apologize for decades of arrogant American exceptionalism ?
DONE and DONE
Fix the economy?
"... uhm, Well, uhm, Dubya messed it up pretty bad and I am working on it but I have been busy ridding the world of tyranny and now that I am done I'll get right on it"
The POTUS bamboozled the voters once; no reason to believe he cant do it again. Especially since all the republican candidates seem to be really good at right now is showcasing each others failures and shortcomings. The fat lady dont sing until the polls close on election day and as the incumbent, the POTUS has home field advantage.
...just my two cents. I could be wrong.
greenberetTFS
10-24-2011, 16:23
Politics is politics.... and thePOTUS is very good at politics.
There was much ado about his short comings in 2008 as it related to foreign affairs. Since then the POTUS has gotten rid of bin laden, qaddafi, and awlaki (names not capitalized out of sheer disrespect) The truth is negotiable and his campaign politics will continue to blame the economy on Dubya as it assumes full responsibility for the dispatch of bin laden, qaddafi, and awlaki.
If he brings even a fraction of the military in Iraq home by the end of the year he can also claim victory on that one as well. Dubya had eight years and couldnt do it, Pres Obama did it in less than four without even disrupting his vacation schedule...
...and did it all without putting on a uniform.
I am not saying I believe any of this, and his chances of earning my vote are currently hovering somewhere around zero percent but in an election year the truth isn't what counts, its how the POTUS delivers HIS version of the truth:
Get bin laden?
DONE
Get rid of qaddafi?
DONE
End the evil war in Iraq?
DONE
Universal health care?
DONE
DADT repealed, gays in the military?
DONE
Apologize for decades of arrogant American exceptionalism ?
DONE and DONE
Fix the economy?
"... uhm, Well, uhm, Dubya messed it up pretty bad and I am working on it but I have been busy ridding the world of tyranny and now that I am done I'll get right on it"
The POTUS bamboozled the voters once; no reason to believe he cant do it again. Especially since all the republican candidates seem to be really good at right now is showcasing each others failures and shortcomings. The fat lady dont sing until the polls close on election day and as the incumbent, the POTUS has home field advantage.
...just my two cents. I could be wrong.
Makes sense to me...........;)
Big Teddy :munchin
He has been able to take advantage of an inertia set in motion by Bush, don't dare give him credit for that though. The only reason he has seen the successes he has in the ME is due to that inertia and the fact that he had some good commanders on the ground with years of experience before he "took charge". Were it not for that, I think his policies would have been a total failure. He was talked into leaving troops in Iraq much longer than he stated they would be in 2008. He was shown how effective the surges were, otherwise he would not have followed through with them. He took credit for OBL when that train of events had been on track for some time. It had always been a matter of time before either he was found or his prior death confirmed. We still haven't seen the body.
When it comes to Libya, how much of it did he actually influence? He saw the way the wind was blowing and jumped on the band wagon, shouting loudly to seem as if he had more to do with it than he actually did. When Libya turns into another Iran, we will see what is said then.
I find his taking credit for so many so called foreign policy successes disingenuous and petty. Like GITMO, he has had to change his stated views to reflect both political and practical realities. His everyday actions show that his true views are constantly being placed on the back burner to try to come off as a strong leader, when without his advisors, he would be so far to the left you would think he was a NASCAR driver, all left turns.
I find his taking credit for so many so called foreign policy successes disingenuous and petty. Like GITMO, he has had to change his stated views to reflect both political and practical realities. His everyday actions show that his true views are constantly being placed on the back burner to try to come off as a strong leader, when without his advisors, he would be so far to the left you would think he was a NASCAR driver, all left turns.
The POTUS was quick to release a statement when qaddafi was killed...
...and it was done in a way that seemed to assume credit for a mission completed. It would seem like Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard had different information:
Lt. Gen. Charles Bouchard, commander of the NATO military operation, said at a news conference Monday, "We saw a convoy, and in fact we had no idea that Gadhafi was on board." It was a surprise that Gadhafi was in the area, Bouchard said. The convoy was carrying weaponry, and seemed to present "a clear threat to the population," he said. (CNN Wire Staff
updated 6:20 PM EST, Mon October 24, 2011)
...but hey, its an election year. Never let the facts interfere with a good story.
...but hey, its an election year. Never let the facts interfere with a good story.
How dare you talk about The One this way? Know your place peasant!
Oddly, the only thing Obama has to fall back on is his solid record on terrorism. It doesn't matter if you like him or if you think he is the recipient of other peoples' policies or hard work. He is in the seat, so he gets the win.
BrokenSwitch
10-25-2011, 05:01
Oddly, the only thing Obama has to fall back on is his solid record on terrorism.
I understand that he was simply not allowed to shutter Gitmo.
Badger52
10-25-2011, 06:29
...but hey, its an election year. Never let the facts interfere with a good story.Right up Michael Mooron's and Oliver Stoned's alley.