View Full Version : It appears some of the Occupiers discover reality
Streck-Fu
10-21-2011, 09:22
Eventually they will learn that people are people and any attempt to organize looks a lot like government and managing money looks a lot like banking.
The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting."
LINK (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html)
“Someone has to be told what to do," she said. "Someone needs to give orders. There’s no sense of order in this fvcking place.”
Badger52
10-21-2011, 10:29
Collateral story here. (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/10/will-occupy-wall-street-be-forced-occupy-itself/43947/)
The leaderless Occupy Wall Street encampment is shifting away from its anarchic roots to something resembling a governed society, and not everyone in Zuccotti Park is happy about it. Daily Intel's Alex Klein investigated the rifts within the movement--where a general assembly model is giving way to a "spokescouncil" model where people can make rules about things like cleanup, neighborhood relations, security, and--perhaps most ominously for inter-demonstrator harmony--money. Says one member of the drum circle who've had to quiet their percussion section in the face of noise complaints:
The drummers claim that the finance working group even levied a percussion tax of sorts, taking up to half of the $150-300 a day that the drum circle was receiving in tips. “Now they have over $500,000 from all sorts of places,” said Engelerdt. “We’re like, what’s going on here? They’re like the banks we’re protesting."
But organizers have a plan to weed out such dissidents. Said one organizer: "Personally, I cannot wait for winter. It will clear out these people who aren’t here for the right reasons. Bring on the snow. The real revolutionaries will stay in -50 degrees."
Let me know how that works out. (Cue horses & sabers from Dr. Zhivago action scene.)
:p
Wait 'til it gets cold.
...and wet...!!! :eek: ;)
Richard :munchin
I think we are watching the resurrection of a New and Improved 21st Century Tammany Hall..
http://www.racontours.com/archive/tammany.php
Is Barry The Street Organizer,,
The new Boss Tweed incarnate???
Is the Mexican Drug cartel,,
The New Five Points Gang??
:munchin
Wait 'til it gets cold.
...and wet...!!! :eek: ;)
Richard :munchinAnd the crime rate will go down also....:munchin
Badger52
10-21-2011, 12:51
And the crime rate will go down also....:munchinYep, those walking event horizons carrying the signs are currently prey items for the regular denizens.
I guess all of that "Happy Happy Joy Joy" ain't so happy when the reality of trying to actually control and "Govern" something hits you in the face. These knuckleheads want a socialist form of society but can't even get it to work in their own little world. :rolleyes:
longrange1947
10-21-2011, 17:20
Also note that the ones making money are getting pissed because of the money being set aside for the do nothings. :munchin :D
"There are 2 things I know of to be endless: The universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe" A. Einstein........
Baht Dog
10-21-2011, 18:33
Eventually they will learn that people are people and any attempt to organize looks a lot like government and managing money looks a lot like banking.
LINK (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_animal_farm_the_organiz.html)
It reminds me of that South Park episode where a bunch of hippies say to the effect of:
Hippie: "YEAH! And we'll make, like communities of people and stuff"
Stan Marsh: "Yeah, we already have those. They're called towns."
Hippie: "Yeah and we'll like have guys who make like you know, uh bread and bake it and stuff."
Stan Marsh: "Yeah dude, we already have those. They're called bakers".
Hippie: "Dig it dude, and we'll like have people who you know, go around and protect other people and stuff"
Stan Marsh: "Yeah you stupid douche, those are called cops".
And so on.
George Orwell was a genius. To paraphrase, "All Wall Street Occupiers are equal, but some are more equal than others." ;)
Also note that the ones making money are getting pissed because of the money being set aside for the do nothings. :munchin :D
Now, isn't that just the gem in the crown!
How dare some third party bureaucrat redistribute the fruits of their labor!
:boohoo
They curse the corporate world, but they do it on FaceBook from an iPhone...
Now, isn't that just the gem in the crown!
How dare some third party bureaucrat redistribute the fruits of their labor!
:boohoo
They curse the corporate world, but they do it on FaceBook from an iPhone...
They have the ability here to curse them in much lesser numbers now brother.
Our local homeless toads who were moved off their RON's and feeding platforms by the OWS types have returned, and thusly began "redistributing" alot of those OWS owned Macbooks and iPhones to themselves.
Usually, the theft reports start off with " I had just gone home to Mt Airy to feed my cat" or "while showering at the William Way (Quaker) Center", I returned to my tent to discover .....
Last Tuesday they - the OWS "haves" did then make requests of the gestapo occupation force to notify/keep the "have nots" (homeless toads) from the public property wherein the OWS crowds tents and belongings can be found - my new definition of IRONY !!
They're chatting up a "world occupy Philadelphia" from July thru October of 2012 ..... I'm dusting off my tour guide hat now - and of course discounts will be afforded to all PS.com membership.
longrange1947
10-22-2011, 15:50
Start posting on twitter and facebook about all the "free stuff" just laying around for the indigent to have as they are being "donated" by the "anointed socialists" of OWS. :munchin :D
The Reaper
10-22-2011, 15:59
They have the ability here to curse them in much lesser numbers now brother.
Our local homeless toads who were moved off their RON's and feeding platforms by the OWS types have returned, and thusly began "redistributing" alot of those OWS owned Macbooks and iPhones to themselves.
Usually, the theft reports start off with " I had just gone home to Mt Airy to feed my cat" or "while showering at the William Way (Quaker) Center", I returned to my tent to discover .....
Last Tuesday they - the OWS "haves" did then make requests of the gestapo occupation force to notify/keep the "have nots" (homeless toads) from the public property wherein the OWS crowds tents and belongings can be found - my new definition of IRONY !!
They're chatting up a "world occupy Philadelphia" from July thru October of 2012 ..... I'm dusting off my tour guide hat now - and of course discounts will be afforded to all PS.com membership.
Sounds like they need uniforms and photo ID badges, if it is the homeless and not (as I suspect) their fellow haters ripping them off.
The anarchists should love that concept. :rolleyes:
TR
dadof18x'er
10-23-2011, 09:59
Sounds like they need uniforms and photo ID badges, if it is the homeless and not (as I suspect) their fellow haters ripping them off.
The anarchists should love that concept. :rolleyes:
TR
now they are fighting amongst each other about they're money distribution, seems
socialism is running it's course, the comments from the readers are hilarious.:D
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/they_want_lice_of_the_occu_pie_9xKCxcI4aectFYkafMb 8UJ?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150432140048487_20497581_1 0150432603888487
a huge flat-screen TV went up in Zuccotti Park for a movie night and pajama party with popcorn
...what a hardcore group of rebels.
...what a hardcore group of rebels.
lol What an admirable base of constituents Obama has!
now they are fighting amongst each other about they're money distribution, seems
socialism is running it's course, the comments from the readers are hilarious.:D
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/they_want_lice_of_the_occu_pie_9xKCxcI4aectFYkafMb 8UJ?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150432140048487_20497581_1 0150432603888487
This reminds me of the Hare Krishnas you used to see in airports. They would beg for money, give the money to their overseers, then be given a pittance for their own needs. I think this bunch is starting to fray at the edges.:cool:
Badger52
10-25-2011, 07:03
Egypt's Top 'Facebook Revolutionary' Now Advising Occupy Wall Street
By Spencer Ackerman
Danger Room
Wired.com
October 18, 2011
One of the key activists behind Egypt's "Facebook Revolution" is now giving advice to a new group of protesters: the Occupy Wall Street movement.
The protesters in New York's Zuccotti Park - and their offshoots around the country - often cite the mass demonstrations earlier this year in Cairo's Tahrir Square as their inspiration. So maybe it shouldn't be much of a surprise that Ahmed Maher, one of the leading figures in those Egyptian protests, has been corresponding for weeks with the Occupy Wall Streeters, whom he calls "our brothers."
Maher is one of the founders of the April 6 Youth, which used Facebook, Twitter and YouTube to galvanize Egyptians against President Hosni Mubarak.
Recently, however, his attention has turned toward America, where he's been chatting online with Occupy activists. Those conversations center around practical advice from a successful Egyptian revolutionary. Usually, they occur through Facebook. On Tuesday, for the first time, they happened face to face.
"We talk on the internet about what happened in Egypt, about our structure, about our organization, how to organize a flash mob, how to organize a sit-in," Maher tells Danger Room, and "how to be non-violent with police."
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Is he gonna give them lessons in layering too?
:munchin
EDIT for the Bay Area approach:
LINK (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-10-25/protests-oakland-wall-street/50903394/1)
Police clear protesters near Oakland's City Hall
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) – Police in riot gear began clearing anti-Wall Street protesters on Tuesday morning from the plaza in front of Oakland's City Hall where they have been camped out for about two weeks.
Television news footage showed numerous people in plastic cuffs being led away from the site by police around 5 a.m. The protesters did not appear to be resisting.
A message for a police spokeswoman was not immediately returned.
City officials had originally been supportive of the protesters, with Oakland Mayor Jean Quan saying that sometimes "democracy is messy."
But the city later warned the protesters that they were breaking the law and could not stay in the encampment overnight.
They cited concerns about rats, fire hazards, public urination and acts of violence at the site, which had grown to more than 150 tents and included health, child-care and kitchen areas.
But protesters over the weekend said they had no plans to leave.
Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Telegraph 'evicted' from St Paul's Occupy London camp as the mood turns
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8847357/Telegraph-evicted-from-St-Pauls-Occupy-London-camp-as-the-mood-turns.html
From the Brit's side of the pond. The video is a hoot.
"The camp forced St Paul's to close for the first time since the Blitz and is costing local businesses thousands of pounds a day.
But footage shot by The Daily Telegraph on a thermal imaging camera appeared to show most of the dozens of tents in the cathedral churchyard were empty. And when the remaining protesters realised what The Telegraph was attempting to verify this, the mood turned ugly................................"
greenberetTFS
10-25-2011, 13:34
lol What an admirable base of constituents Obama has!
This is the best thing to happen with support fron POTUS this is going to bite him in the ass............:p
Big Teddy :munchin
Roguish Lawyer
10-25-2011, 15:07
This is awesome:
http://mrctv.org/videos/former-soviet-citizen-confronts-socialists-occupy-wall-street-language-warning
This is awesome:
http://mrctv.org/videos/former-soviet-citizen-confronts-socialists-occupy-wall-street-language-warning
Amazing, absolutely amazing. Reminds me of an encounter I had with one about a week ago, an economics major mind you...
Irony doesn't get any purer than this:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/milk-street-cafe/
Original story: http://www.dnainfo.com/20111101/downtown/financial-district-cafe-lays-off-21-workers-because-of-occupy-wall-street
I have eaten there a few times, and once at their Boston location, good food a bit pricey though. This is quite sad as many Kosher eateries left downtown after 9/11 with the mass financial services exodus at the same time...
GratefulCitizen
11-02-2011, 14:50
Wonder how many of these protesters played competitive sports as children.
(The type where only the winners get awards, not everyone who showed up)
We are seeing the end results of the "self-esteem" movement.
These idiots think that if they want something badly enough, then they deserve it.
Misery loves company.
If they can't have the prize, then neither can anyone else.
Nothing more than a bunch of sore losers.
mark46th
11-02-2011, 15:17
I was hoping for a Cholera outbreak from the unsanitary conditions but I'll settle for an early freeze to get rid of them...
:munchin
'Free Love' At 'Occupy Wall Street' Site Prompts Mass STD Testing
Protesters Flocking To Nearby Health Clinics
Updated: Tuesday, 01 Nov 2011, 10:42 AM EDT
Published : Tuesday, 01 Nov 2011, 10:42 AM EDT
By New York Post
NEW YORK - "Occupy Wall Street" protesters are flocking to nearby health clinics for sexually-transmitted disease (STD) and HIV testing after getting their freak on in ’60s-style hookups with crusty strangers, sources said.
“Last week was free love,” a medical professional at a nearby clinic said, referring to the number of people who organizers referred for STD testing.
A volunteer at Zuccotti Park admitted concern among protesters about STDs. “We give directions to clinics if people ask for information regarding STDs,” the volunteer, who identified himself only as “Captain,” said, adding that pregnancy tests are also a hot item.
“Like anything else, it happens. People ask, and we do the best we can for them,” he added.
Volunteers at the medical tent hand out cash, usually $15 or $20, so the randy radicals can visit clinics that cater to a low-income clientele, the source said.
Experts said it is the right thing to do. “My advice for the protesters would be to practice safer sex,” according to Lisa Oldson, medical director of Chicago-based Analyte Health. "It's a lot cheaper to buy a condom than get treated for an STD."
Meanwhile, more than 100 protesters joined Monday night’s Halloween Parade in Greenwich Village, with several dressed as “corporate zombies.”
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/national/Free_Love_STD_Testing_Occupy_Wall_Street_OWS_11011 1_NewsCore_ncx
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/10328823/
The STD mess is just another symptom of the sickness infecting these maggots. They are costing tax payers millions. As far as I am concerned, let the officers do their routine patrol. These idiots deserve no special treatment. If they get in trouble, they can call 911 like everyone else. If they destroy property or commit a crime, arrest them like any other criminal. Other than that, let them sit there and stew in their own mess.
PedOncoDoc
11-03-2011, 04:21
The STD mess is just another symptom of the sickness infecting these maggots. They are costing tax payers millions. As far as I am concerned, let the officers do their routine patrol. These idiots deserve no special treatment. If they get in trouble, they can call 911 like everyone else. If they destroy property or commit a crime, arrest them like any other criminal. Other than that, let them sit there and stew in their own mess.
And let them foot the bill for cleanup or do it themselves, as well. Perhaps court-ordered community service for those found guilty of committing minor crimes?
Badger52
11-04-2011, 11:40
I find this hilarious, yet wonder if these blossomed ACORNs are getting Fedbucks under their new name.
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/03/acorn-officials-scramble-firing-workers-and-shredding-documents-after-exposed/)
ACORN Officials Scramble, Firing Workers and Shredding Documents, After Exposed as Players Behind Occupy Wall Street Protests
By Jana Winter
Published November 03, 2011 | FoxNews.com
Officials with the revamped ACORN office in New York -- operating as New York Communities for Change -- have fired staff, shredded reams of documents and told workers to blame disgruntled ex-employees for leaking information in an effort to explain away a FoxNews.com report last week on the group’s involvement in Occupy Wall Street protests, according to sources.
NYCC also is installing surveillance cameras and recording devices at its Brooklyn offices, removing or packing away supplies bearing the name ACORN and handing out photos of Fox News staff with a stern warning not to talk to the media, the sources said.
“They’re doing serious damage control right now,” said an NYCC source.
NYCC Executive Director Jon Kest has been calling a series of emergency meetings to discuss last week’s report—and taking extreme measures to identify the sources in their office and to prevent further damage, a source within NYCC told FoxNews.com.
Two staffers were fired after NYCC officials suspected them as the source of the leaks, a source told FoxNews.com. “One was fired the day the story came out, the other was fired on Friday. (NYCC senior staff) told everyone that they were fired because they talked to you,” a source said.
NYCC spokesman Scott Levenson denied that anyone was fired for talking to the press.
FoxNews.com’s report identified NYCC as a key organizing force behind the Occupy Wall Street protests. Sources within the group also told FoxNews.com NYCC was hiring people to carry signs and join the protests. NYCC -- a nonprofit organization run almost entirely by former ACORN officials and employees --did not reply for comment prior to the publication of the initial article, but later posted a statement on its website dismissing the article and denying that it pays protesters.
A source said that immediately following publication of the FoxNews.com report staff were called into the Brooklyn office for meetings headed by NYCC’s organizing director, Jonathan Westin. Westin handed out copies of the article and went through it line-by-line, the source said.
Staffers were also given copies of photos of Senior Fox News Correspondent Eric Shawn and three other Fox News staff members, including this reporter.
“They reminded us that we can get fired, sued, arrested for talking to the press,” the source said. “Then they went through the article point-by-point and said that the allegation that we pay people to protest isn’t true.”
“‘That’s the story that we’re sticking to,’” Westin said, according to the source.
The source said staffers at the meeting contested Westin’s denial:
“It was pretty funny. Jonathan told staff they don’t pay for protesters, but the people in the meeting who work there objected and said, ‘Wait, you pay us to go to the protests every day?’ Then Jonathan said ‘No, but that’s your job,’ and staffers were like, ‘Yeah, our job is to protest,’ and Westin said, ‘No your job is to fight for economic and social justice. We just send you to protest.’
“Staff said, ‘Yes, you pay us to carry signs.’ Then Jonathan says, ‘That’s your job.’ It went on like that back and forth for a while.”
During the meetings, NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta provided Westin with the copied photos of Fox News reporters to hand out to staff members, the source said. Basta told staffers they might be asked about the article when out in communities working on campaigns or when calling people by phone, the source said.
“They told us if people bring up the article, we’re supposed to say the source and all the stuff in there came from a disgruntled ex-employee who’s not working with us anymore.”
NYCC is also monitoring its staff’s behavior, cracking down on phone use and socialization. Officials have ordered all papers -- even scraps -- to be shredded every night, the source said.
“And all the supplies—everything around the office that said ‘ACORN’ -- is now all in storage until this blows over,” the source said. “People literally have to cover up the cameras on the back of their cellphones in the office.”
“Now there’s no texting in the office, no phone calls in the office. They tell us to take our phone calls out into the waiting room where there’s an intercom, and then they turn on the intercom to hear our conversations.[That practice could bite them.] They’re installing new cameras and speakers around the building so they can hear everything.
“It’s almost like working at Fort Knox.”
NYCC officials declined repeated requests to respond to specific questions about the organization’s response to last week’s story. The group on Wednesday instead sent this statement, attributed to NYCC board member Jean Sassine:
"New York Communities for Change participates in protests, direct action, social activism and campaigns that promote social and economic justice. We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts. For the record, this is consistent with Fox attacks on Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod, George Soros, Citizen Action, Planned Parenthood and all those who stand for social justice. Once again, FOX entertainment poses as FOX News. Once again, FOX makes a series of false, unsubstantiated claims and accusations which have no basis in fact. Once again, through a series of sources FOX structures a story which is nothing but a series of lies."
Westin did respond to some questions a day earlier, when approached by FoxNews.com at an NYCC event in Manhattan.
When asked if a staff member was fired because people thought he’d talked to the press, Westin said, “I have no idea.” When asked about handing out photos of Fox News employees, he said, “I have been? No, I don’t think I have been. That wasn’t me.”
Westin did acknowledge NYCC staff have met to discuss last week’s report. “People talked about it,” he said. “People are interested.”
He also deflected a question about the allegation that staffers were being told to blame the report on disgruntled staffers, telling this reporter to contact him later via email.
Responding to reports of pushback from staffers who said they were being paid to go to the protests, and reports NYCC had recently hired people as canvassers or organizers and then sent them to the protests, Westin replied repeatedly “We don’t pay people to protest.”
Westin later did not reply to two emails asking for follow-up.
PedOncoDoc
11-04-2011, 11:50
"New York Communities for Change participates in protests, direct action, social activism and campaigns that promote social and economic justice. We see FOX as the enemy to those efforts. For the record, this is consistent with Fox attacks on Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod, George Soros, Citizen Action, Planned Parenthood and all those who stand for social justice. Once again, FOX entertainment poses as FOX News. Once again, FOX makes a series of false, unsubstantiated claims and accusations which have no basis in fact. Once again, through a series of sources FOX structures a story which is nothing but a series of lies."
Thye sure have developed a creative definition of justice for their cause.
And I thought Obama and his minions were all for transparency... :rolleyes:
The Reaper
11-04-2011, 16:51
I would be pretty certain that George Soros is a 1%er.
At least, in my neighborhood.
TR
George Soros would get his ass kicked by most 1% er's I know...........
George Soros would get his ass kicked by most 1% er's I know...........
lol Bikers?
I can picture him on a Sportster, riding sidesaddle. :D
lol Bikers?
I can picture him on a Sportster, riding sidesaddle. :D
Come on Dusty you're getting soft, say what you REALLY mean. ;)
GratefulCitizen
11-07-2011, 12:04
Another dose of reality for the occupiers.
The text of an anonymous flyer:
We are Wall Street. It's our job to make money. Whether it's a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesn't matter. We would trade baseball cards if it were profitable.
I didn't hear America complaining when the market was roaring to 14,000 and everyone's 401k doubled every 3 years. Just like gambling, its (sic) not a problem until you lose. I've never heard of anyone going to Gamblers Anonymous because they won too much in Vegas.
Well, now the market crapped out, & even though it has come back somewhat, the government and the average Joes are still looking for a scapegoat. God knows there has to be one for everything. Well, here we are.
Go ahead and continue to take us down, but you're only going to hurt yourselves. What's going to happen when we can't find jobs on the Street anymore? Guess what: We're going to take yours.
We get up at 5am & work till 10pm or later. We're used to not getting up to pee when we have a position. We don't take an hour or more for a lunch break. We don't demand a union. We don't retire at 50 with a pension. We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, we'll eat that.
For years teachers and other unionized labor have had us fooled. We were too busy working to notice. Do you really think that we are incapable of teaching 3rd graders and doing ladscapint? We're going to take your cushy jobs with tenure and 4 months off a year and whine just like you that we are so-o-o-o underpaid for building the youth of America. Say goodbye to your overtime and double time and a half. I'll be hitting grounders to the high school baseball team for $5k extra a summer, thank you very much.
So now that we're going to be making $85k a year without upside, Joe Mainstreet is going to have his revenge, right? Wrong! Guess what: we're going to stop buying the new 80k car, we aren't going to leave the 35 percent tip at our business dinners anymore. No more free rides on our backs. We're going to landscape our own back yards, wash our cars with a garden hose in our driveways. Our money was your money. You spent it. When our money dries up, so does yours.
The difference is, you lived off of it, we rejoiced in it. The Obama administration and the Democratic National Committee might get their way and knock us off the top of the pyramid, but it's really going to hurt like hell for them when our fat a**es land directly on the middle class of America and knock them to the bottom.
We aren't dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive. The question is, now that Obama & his administration are making Joe Mainstreet our food supply...will he? And will they?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/careful_ows_envy-mongers_the_one_percent_have_got_your_number.html
Badger52
11-07-2011, 12:31
Come on Dusty you're getting soft, say what you REALLY mean. ;)Wait 'til it gets cold.
...and wet...!!!
Richard :munchinTick-tock (http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/11/04/giuliani-obama-owns-occupy-wall-street)
:D
Another dose of reality for the occupiers.
The text of an anonymous flyer:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/careful_ows_envy-mongers_the_one_percent_have_got_your_number.html
And they keep on coming:
Lower pay for bankers, traders leads to state-revenue shortfall: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/it_wall_your_fault_A9ipn6Tl0p54IGag1ukuMN
“It’s the Wall Street slowdown. You can feel it hurting the entire state,’’ said one fiscal expert.
Taxes paid on Wall Street earnings have made up a massive 20 percent of New York’s $40 billion personal income-tax collections in recent years.
“A lot of the Wall Street people are really scared and worried,” said another source.
“They know their incomes are coming down because of the bonus cuts. They know thousands more may be fired. They’re worried about Europe, which they think could collapse, and they’re being demonized by the Occupy morons, who are being encouraged by the president.”
On the topic of gardeners:
2 x 5 pack of lawn/leaf bags at Lowes: $1.94
New rake to replace the one I busted earlier on: $5.00
Doing a better job than my former gardener and getting some exercise to boot: Priceless :D
alright4u
11-07-2011, 14:03
ACORN is OWS. Make no mistake about it. Call is whatever , but; Obama and pals give them money to demonstrate. Wonder where that money came from? Not really.
greenberetTFS
11-07-2011, 16:04
ACORN is OWS. Make no mistake about it. Call is whatever , but; Obama and pals give them money to demonstrate. Wonder where that money came from? Not really.
"O's" support of them is going to bite him hard in his ass........ :eek: The majority of this country aren't to happy with the OWS...........:rolleyes: He's screwing himself and I really hope it will affect him in 2012..........:mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
1stindoor
11-09-2011, 11:49
On Fox News...
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/09/rash-sex-attacks-and-violent-crime-breaks-out-at-occupy-protests/
On top of the sex crimes...
Stacey Tzortzatos, owner of Panini and Co., located across from Zuccotti Park, got fed up two weeks ago when demonstrators broke a bathroom sink causing flooding in the shop and leaving her with a bill of $3,000in damages, according to the New York Post.
At the site of the Occupy San Diego camp, street cart vendors were forced to close up shop Monday when protesters, angry that they stopped receiving free food, ransacked and vandalized the carts.
The angry mob not only scrawled graffiti on the carts, they reportedly splattered them with blood and urine as well.
Personally, I think the mayors and city leaders need to be taken to court by both sides. One for failing to protect...and the other for failing to protect....maybe then city leaders might be willing to reconsider their willingness to allow demonstrators to camp out in a business district.
Hadn’t seen this posted - some simple observations that IMO just about sums things up regarding the OWS crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0OcHh0?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent
GratefulCitizen
11-14-2011, 12:52
Reality:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/210099.php
Badger52
11-15-2011, 07:08
LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/15/police-order-protesters-to-vacate-occupy-wall-street-camp-in-zuccotti-park/)
NEW YORK – Police arrested 70 protesters at New York's Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, including some who chained themselves together, while clearing the park so that sanitation crews could clean it.
The officers arrived just after midnight and handed out letters to protesters ordering them to temporarily evacuate the park. Campers were told to remove their tents and all their belongings, the New York Post reported.
The eviction letters declared, "The city has determined that the continued occupation of Zuccotti Park poses an increasing health and fire safety hazard.
"We also require that you immediately leave the park on a temporary basis so it can be cleared and restored for its intended use.
"You will be allowed to return to the park in several hours, when this work is complete. If you decide to return, you will not be permitted to bring tents, sleeping bags, tarps and similar materials with you."
When loudspeakers subside there are still reports from passers-by hearing voices,
Wait 'til it gets cold.
...and wet...!!! :eek: ;)
Richard :munchin
:D
The OWS action has been uncanny in its similarity to the Tea Party gatherings, what with the rapine, public defecation, violence and filth, n'est ce pas?
I don't know about blind - but it certainly is a case of selective vision.
Occupy Wall Street Crowd Blind to Benefits of Capitalism
Like in 'Life of Brian,' protesters assume medicine, material goods will exist without the economic system that makes them possible.
By Gary WolframFriday, November 11, 2011 10:45 AM EST
http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2011/Occupy_Wall_Street_Crowd_Blind_to_Benefits_of_Capi talism.html
Whenever I watch media coverage of another Occupy Wall Street event I am reminded of an exchange between Jewish protesters in the 1979 Monte Python movie Life of Brian. One of the protesters asks another what the Romans have brought to the area and the conversation goes like this:
Question: All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?
Answer: Brought peace?
Response: Oh, peace - shut up!
The point is that the Roman institutions brought a good deal to the area that was being overlooked by the protesters. The Wall Street protesters, in their hatred of capitalism, overlook things including the fact that over the last 100 years capitalism has reduced poverty more and increased life expectancy more than in the 100,000 years prior.
Every semester I ask my students: "What would you rather be? King of England in 1263 or you?" Every student would rather be themself. They enjoy using their iPhone, indoor plumbing, central heating, refrigerators and electric lighting. All of these things are available to the average person in America today and none of them were available to the aristocracy when the West operated under the feudal system.
How is it that for thousands of years mankind made very little progress in increasing the standard of living and yet today half of the goods and services you use in the next week did not exist when I was born? It wasn't that there was some change in the DNA such that we got smarter. The Greeks knew how to make a steam engine 3,000 years ago and never made one. The difference is in how we organize our economic system. The advent of market capitalism in the mid 18th century made all of the difference.
We need not just rely on historical data. Look at cross-section evidence. I try another experiment with my students. I tell them they are about to be born and they can choose whatever country in the world they would like to be born in. The only caveat is they will be the poorest person in that country. Every student picks a country that is primarily organized in a market capitalist system. No one picks a centrally planned state. No one says, "I want to be the poorest person in North Korea, Cuba, or Zimbabwe," countries which are at the bottom of the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom.
What does it mean to be poor in our capitalist society that the Occupy Wall Street crowd so hates? Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation has several studies of those classified as poor by the U.S. Census Bureau. He found that 80 percent of poor persons in the United States in 2010 had air conditioning, nearly three quarters of them had a car or truck, nearly two-thirds had satellite or cable television, half had a personal computer and more than two-thirds had at least two rooms per person.
Contrast this with what it means to be poor in Mumbai, India, a country that is moving rapidly towards market capitalism but was burdened for decades with a socialist system. A recent story in The Economist described Dharavi, a slum in Mumbai, where for many families half of the family members must sleep on their sides in order for the entire family to squeeze into its living space.
The Occupy Wall Street movement has shown a lack of understanding of how the market capitalist system works. They appear to think that the cell phones they use, food they eat, hotels they stay in, cars they drive, gasoline that powers the cars they drive and all the myriad goods and services they consume every day would be there under a different system, perhaps in more abundance.
But there is no evidence this could be or ever has been the case. The reason is that only market capitalism solves the two major problems that face any economy-how to provide an incentive to innovate and how to solve the problem of decentralized information. The reason there is so much innovation in a market system compared to socialism or other forms of central planning is that profit provides the incentive for innovators to take the risk needed to come up with new products.
My mother never once complained that we did not have access to the latest Soviet washing machine. We never desired a new Soviet car. The socialist system relies on what Adam Smith referred to as the benevolent butcher and while there will undoubtedly be benevolent butchers out there, clearly a system that provides monetary rewards for innovators is much more dynamic and successful. The profit that the Occupy Wall Street protesters decry is the reason the world has access to clean water and anti-viral drugs.
The other major problem that must be solved by any economic system is how to deal with the fact that information is so decentralized. There is no way for a central planner to know how many hot dogs 300 million Americans are going to want at every moment in time. A central planner cannot know the relative value of resources in the production of various goods and services. Market capitalism solves that problem through the price system. If there are too few hot dogs, the price of hot dogs will rise and more hot dogs will be produced. If too many hot dogs are produced, the price of hot dogs will fall and fewer will be produced.
Market capitalism is the key to the wealth of the masses. As Ludwig von Mises wrote in his 1920 book, Socialism, only market capitalism can make the poor wealthy. Nobel Laureate Friedrich Hayek in his famous 1945 paper, The Use of Knowledge in Society, showed that only the price system in capitalism can create the spontaneous order that ensures that goods will be allocated in a way that ensures consumers determine the use of resources. The Occupy Wall Street movement would make best use of its time and energy in protesting the encroachment of the centrally planned state that led to the disaster of the Soviet Union, fascist Germany, and dictatorial North Korea.
Gary Wolfram is the William Simon Professor of Economics and Public Policy at Hillsdale College and Business & Media Institute adviser.
greenberetTFS
11-23-2011, 14:22
Interesting article. I have the same problem with my hard-core organic veggie-eating friends. They have no clue that without industrialization, they would eat whatever crossed their plates and be happy for it. There wouldn't be any well-lit clean grocery stores with an organic food section and fresh, crisp and refrigerated veggies.
Most recently all the organic veggies that have been called out for various health issues says it all............. :rolleyes::(:eek:
Big Teddy :munchin
alright4u
11-23-2011, 17:25
Also note that the ones making money are getting pissed because of the money being set aside for the do nothings. :munchin :D
They should have taken history courses and specifically Jamestown, VA.
GratefulCitizen
12-02-2011, 22:35
Adam Carolla had a great rant about the occupiers.
*Warning*
Plenty of foul language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQpXybTnGVg
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/thanks_lot_to_the_e7GGP2aPLhaW0yESCrknEJ
Thanks a lot to the 1%
Pays 43% of city tax
They’ve been demonized and denounced for not doing their fair share.
But a new analysis released yesterday shows that the top 1 percent of New York City’s moneymakers paid 43.2 percent of the city’s income tax — even though they accounted for just 33.8 percent of total income here.
Acting on a request from City Councilman James Oddo (R-SI), the Independent Budget Office reviewed 410,000 of the 3,462,000 tax returns filed here in 2009, the latest year available.
“Both income and tax liabilities are highly concentrated among the most affluent New Yorkers,” the IBO reported.
The findings backed up claims by Mayor Bloomberg and others who warn that the city can’t afford to lose the super-rich because they’re picking up a big chunk of the income-tax tab.
A total of 34,598 filers made it into the exclusive 1percent club with a minimum adjusted gross income of $493,439.
Then there were those in the top 10 percent who had incomes of at least $105,400 and chipped in 71.2 percent of income-tax collections, while pulling in just 58.2 percent of income generated here.
A third of the city’s filers — representing 1.18 million returns — paid no income tax at all.
Oddo said he asked for the study because many of his middle-class constituents fall into the top 10 percent category and are being unfairly attacked in the class war sparked by Occupy Wall Street.
“I’m not defending the rich. I’m defending many of my constituents,” Oddo said. “A lot of my constituents are overtaxed. Some of the rhetoric I’ve heard is wrong on its face.”
Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn), who was arrested during one OWS demonstration, said the debate about income distribution is bigger than a single study.
“Whenever we have a problem, we go to the middle class, the working class,’’ he said. “A person making $1 million can pay more.”
Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn), who was arrested during one OWS demonstration, said the debate about income distribution is bigger than a single study.
“Whenever we have a problem, we go to the middle class, the working class,’’ he said. “A person making $1 million can pay more.”
Until folks in office see SPENDING as the larger problem and not revenue - we are doomed.