View Full Version : Something Coherent from Occupy Wall Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQow0Fhua1A&feature=youtu.be
Amongst the various slogans and rants that you hear, this one is more coherent. I forsee many people like him coming and joining this protest.
It is coherent, but he lost me when he started talking about guns. The problem I see is there are many, many messages and hidden agendas in that crowd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI&feature=player_embedded#!
There is no telling what the end result will be.
Intel Cop
10-09-2011, 18:46
I saw a few signs in some of the photos calling for public financing of campaigns. This is actually something I've been talking about for a long time. I don't mind agreeing with someone who is protesting when their message is the same as mine, although I highly doubt we have many other opinions in common.
Utah Bob
10-09-2011, 20:50
Unfocused, chaotic and overall pretty pointless. I'm waiting for the anarchists to start trashing stores.
Is this any way to run a revolution?:rolleyes:
Ret10Echo
10-10-2011, 05:46
Unfocused, chaotic and overall pretty pointless.
...and unsurprisingly, supported by Democratic leadership as it closely aligns with Washington politics.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 9, 2011
House Democratic Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said she supports the growing nationwide Occupy Wall Street movement, link (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelosi-supports-occupy-wall-street-movement/story?id=14696893)
You should see how they have trashed Austin City Hall. Those people shit where they eat. I have stopped driving by on my way to and from work as it makes me so fucking mad. :mad:
D.
The Reaper
10-10-2011, 07:54
How long before someone who works for a living drives a truck through the middle of one of their parties?
Remember the pics of the National Mall after the Glen Beck rally versus the pics after the inauguration and Dim events?
For people who talk a good game, they sure don't live like they are environmentally conscious.
TR
Intel Cop
10-10-2011, 08:57
Zuccotti Park, their base of operations here, is a complete mess. A few of my buddies who have been sent to work down there doing crowd control have told me that it is gag inducing. The word within the PD is that the City is going to wait until it becomes a health hazard and then use that as the reason for shutting them down.
the City is going to wait until it becomes a health hazard and then use that as the reason for shutting them down.
Isn't that a bad idea. Why not shut them down in the 1st place before an outbreak of something.
Intel Cop
10-10-2011, 10:44
The City doesn't want it to look like they shut down a relatively peaceful (so far) protest for political reasons. Remember that Mayor Bloomberg is a multi-billionaire who made his money on Wall Street. The park is private and the owners (a very large real estate firm) could ask for them to be removed at any time, but I supposed the powers that be want to at least semi show respect to the right of the people to protest.
The City doesn't want it to look like they shut down a relatively peaceful (so far) protest for political reasons. .......
By the time it gets to be shut down time you might want to remind the guys it might be better to wear HazMat suits.
The City doesn't want it to look like they shut down a relatively peaceful (so far) protest for political reasons. Remember that Mayor Bloomberg is a multi-billionaire who made his money on Wall Street. The park is private and the owners (a very large real estate firm) could ask for them to be removed at any time, but I supposed the powers that be want to at least semi show respect to the right of the people to protest.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/it_nyc_lam_sterdam_bmE4vlV5aDUWhBRv9IbaiK
“I got warrants. I’m running from the law,” boasted Dave
Looks like you guys have your work cut out for you, stay safe and good luck! :lifter
We just got word that the 20 or so people who are left are in meetings all day. The most important of which concerns us stealing the land from the Native Americans and how Columbus Day should not be celebrated. Hopefully these goofballs will go back from whence they came soon.
D.
mark46th
10-10-2011, 12:14
Just let them stay in the park until the Cholera outbreak. That will put an end to things naturally. Far out, man.
There are two types of protesters, libertarian/ conservative/ Tea party: end the FED, pro free markets, low taxes, but anti-globalist corporatism.
Then there's the progressive/ Commie/ ACORN/UNION: end capitalism,pro big government, tax the rich, social justice promoters, but the FED bank is ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QZlp3eGMNI
Let 'em protest - I grew up in the 60s and remember that in '68, after four years of such on-going protests nation-wide, the next 4 out of 5 Presidents were Republican and made voting easier. :)
And so it goes...;)
Richard :munchin
mark46th
10-10-2011, 13:57
Yup- Dennis Prager said the longer they are protesting, the better it is for conservatives. It shows the rest of the country how looney tunes the Left really is...
The Reaper
10-10-2011, 14:12
Yup- Dennis Prager said the longer they are protesting, the better it is for conservatives. It shows the rest of the country how looney tunes the Left really is...
I agree.
Let the Marxists, anarchists, and environazi wackos rep for the Dims and front their cause till Election Day.
Funny thing is, they think they represent a majority of Americans. Self-delusional.
TR
Intel Cop
10-10-2011, 14:31
Well you guys might be happy about this then:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mayor_bloomberg_says_occupy_wall_hxsWjgaEegGMELAcD UNAtK
Looks like the City has no plans to boot them any time soon.
This ties in with my riot theorem perfectly. Everything is proceeding precisely as I have foreseen it. I'm gonna start wearing a hooded robe.
mark46th
10-10-2011, 15:31
I will follow as your acolyte, O Great One! Do I have to self-flagellate?
This ties in with my riot theorem perfectly. Everything is proceeding precisely as I have foreseen it. I'm gonna start wearing a hooded robe.
I will follow as your acolyte, O Great One! Do I have to self-flagellate?
OMG - Jawas in the wire!
Richard :munchin
Peregrino
10-10-2011, 16:09
I will follow as your acolyte, O Great One! Do I have to self-flagellate?
Get with the times - auto-flagellation is so medieval. It's far better to practice good Christian charity. Take up a Cat-O-Nine in each hand and lay about you in the full vigor of your zeal; give until it hurts (them). After all doesn't the New Testament say it's much better to give than to recieve? And if you can give in Biblical proportion (10:1) is it not that much better? For surely the protestors have sown discord and stupidity in their wake; should they not reap the benefits of their labors in full measure? And why should'nt The Great One's Followers be the instrument of their reward? :munchin
The Reaper
10-10-2011, 16:17
Get with the times - auto-flagellation is so medieval. It's far better to practice good Christian charity. Take up a Cat-O-Nine in each hand and lay about you in the full vigor of your zeal; give until it hurts (them). After all doesn't the New Testament say it's much better to give than to recieve? And if you can give in Biblical proportion (10:1) is it not that much better? For surely the protestors have sown discord and stupidity in their wake; should they not reap the benefits of their labors in full measure? And why should'nt The Great One's Followers be the instrument of their reward? :munchin
Yeah, verily!
TR
This gets crazier by the day....you can apparently get paid to protest!
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This phenomenon is getting big and harder to control.
I heard there were over 2 dozen protesters at the Occupy Ft. Worth rally.:rolleyes:
Clarksville had 50 show up for their first get together. :lifter
This phenomenon is getting big and harder to control.
I heard there were over 2 dozen protesters at the Occupy Ft. Worth rally.
Buncha pansy-@$$ed pu$$ies - in my time there were bombings, kidnappings, bank robberies, kidnappings, etc.
What's this younger generation coming to? :rolleyes:
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Ret10Echo
10-10-2011, 17:03
This gets crazier by the day....you can apparently get paid to protest!
http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/gov/2618821815.html
Great article I found earlier about this trend. Not surprising, but what made the story REALLY funny was that if the reporter had not spoken Spanish he would have been unable to communicate with the "motivated occupiers" :D
Apparently their lack of command of the English language was inclusive of the signs they carried.
Probably the easiest handful of bucks they earned recently. America, the land of opportunity.
Let me see if I can find that and put the link up...
(Found it here (http://politisite.com/2011/10/07/capitalism-at-its-best-occupy-dc-organizer-admits-to-paying-protestors/) )
This phenomenon is getting big and harder to control.
I heard there were over 2 dozen protesters at the Occupy Ft. Worth rally.:rolleyes:
I'll have to watch the news tonight, earlier they said 7500 were to show up in the city. One of the radio guys said if they were "lucky" they might get a couple hundred.
I'll have to watch the news tonight, earlier they said 7500 were to show up in the city. One of the radio guys said if they were "lucky" they might get a couple hundred.
Maybe they'll get lucky and "Pelosi Galore" will show up with pompoms.
Team Sergeant
10-10-2011, 18:30
Myself and a few others in the Phoenix area are taking this to the next level and we're going to actually "occupy" one of the corporations. We are committed and we will stay as long as we have to to get our message across.
Occupy Hooters. ;)
http://www.hooters.com/home.aspx
Originally posted by Team Sergeant:
Myself and a few others in the Phoenix area are taking this to the next level and we're going to actually "occupy" one of the corporations. We are committed and we will stay as long as we have to to get our message across.
Occupy Hooters.
http://www.hooters.com/home.aspx
Now that is a movement worth following!!! :D
I would start the movement here but I do not know of any Hooters around here. :(
Tress
Protesting on the tax payers dime a.k.a shooting your cause in the foot:
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20111010/c8efcf95-3764-4785-b7b9-dc3b882f6ef2
:mad:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/11/us-wallstreet-protests-chicago-idUSTRE79946S20111011
Chanting "We are the 99 percent" and "Tax, tax, tax the rich," some demonstrators marched on Michigan Avenue and gathered outside the Chicago Art Institute where a U.S. futures industry trade group was holding an evening cocktail reception.
Others marched outside a luxury hotel near to where the American Mortgage Bankers Association was holding a meeting downtown.
Five separate "feeder marches" -- which converged into one giant march up Michigan Ave -- were inspired by, but not formally affiliated with, the Occupy Wall Street movement that began in New York last month and sparked smaller protests nationwide.
Police estimated a crowd of around 3,000 protesters at the events, organized by the "Stand Up Chicago" coalition with the stated goal of reclaiming "our jobs, our homes and our schools," according to the group's website.
"We really want to highlight the role the financial industry has played," said Adam Kader of Arise Chicago, an interfaith workers' rights group and part of the coalition.
"They're here in our backyard, so this is the time to send a message about how we're really hurting," he added, saying the demonstration would focus on foreclosures, unemployment and lack of municipal funding for key services.
Police arrested 26 demonstrators, many wearing Chicago Teachers Union T-shirts, who linked arms and sat down in Monroe Street as they chanted "Save our schools, save our homes!" They were ticketed and released. Another demonstrator was arrested and faces a charge of battery on a police officer.
Nearby, a crowd chanted "Shame on you!" to members of the Futures Industry Association who peered out from a balcony of the Chicago Art Institute, where they attended a party.
Several protesters paid $2,245 per badge to gain admission to the Mortgage Bankers Association event, organizers said.
One protester, dressed in a suit, got to a microphone during a panel discussion and asked Michael Heid, president of Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, a top national mortgage lender: "How do you sleep at night?"
The man asked Heid how could he even visit the Chicago area since so many been affected by foreclosures locally.
Heid answered that he felt like he was before a congressional panel with such a tough line of questioning.
Mortgage Bankers Association CEO David Stevens had advised conference attendees in the morning not to "engage or confront" the protesters, and to use pedestrian tunnels and other means to leave the building if needed.
"We all recognize that our industry faces a trust deficit with policymakers and the public, and that people in our industry contributed to the events that led to the financial crisis," the Association said in a statement.
Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed, speaking at an evening event on social trends, said the anti-Wall Street protests were tied to a lack of attention on jobs by Washington politicians.
"It grows out of the anger people feel. People want focus and attention and passion on jobs," Reed said.
Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, at the same event, said: "There is a major economic restructuring going on where the middle class in this country are feeling an angst they haven't felt."
ARRIVING BY THE BUSLOAD
On the streets, despite mostly orderly marching and chants, anger was the common element among the crowds of protesters.
"]I've got loads of loans," said Wedad Yassin, a student at Benedictine University in Lisle, Illinois, who was among the protesters. She said she wanted a fairer tax system that "stops putting our taxes towards war" and invests in education Obama talks [/COLOR]about there's going to be some answers to the education problem, but I don't see it," Yassin said. Protesters arrived by the busload, including many Chicago Teachers Union members who climbed off yellow school buses that parked near police barricades.
Andromachi Koumbis, an elementary school teacher, said she showed up because she was unhappy with what she termed "tampering" with the Chicago teachers labor contract that will add hours to the school day. "I don't mind longer hours if it's done right," she said. "It's funny that they say kids first, and then they bail out big corporations."
Cary Bunnett, a 52-year-old Chicago electrician, was at the Mortgage Bankers protest and she claimed Bank of America had mishandled her mortgage modification on her $2,500-a-momth home loan. She said she was laid off due to a lack of building activity, which cut her income in half.
"You don't see any cranes around downtown Chicago anymore," she said. "There's no work for me. What am I supposed to do?"
"I've stopped making my house payment because I just can't do it anymore, but they won't give me the modification they say I qualify for," Bunnett said.
The protests included lighter moments. At the corner of Monroe Street and Michigan Ave, horseback-mounted police smiled when demonstrators chanted "Police need a raise!"
More demonstrations were planned for the next three days.
Roderick Drew, spokesman for the city's law department, said protesters had worked with police, who aimed to allow free speech without impairing people's ability to get around.
Chicago has already several weeks of daily protests outside the Federal Reserve Bank by "Occupy Chicago," an echo of the larger Wall Street protests. Occupy Chicago demonstrators participated with the Stand Up Chicago marchers on Monday.
In other words, "Pass This Bill"
Ret10Echo
10-11-2011, 04:42
I'll have to watch the news tonight, earlier they said 7500 were to show up in the city. One of the radio guys said if they were "lucky" they might get a couple hundred.
Well the D.C. protesters just received a 4-month extension down on freedom plaza. Local press photo was of a protester from Dallas...so that's why your numbers were down in Ft Worth :D
So who's paying for the port-o-potties....??
Well the D.C. protesters just received a 4-month extension down on freedom plaza. Local press photo was of a protester from Dallas...so that's why your numbers were down in Ft Worth :D
So who's paying for the port-o-potties....??
From what I heard, they use the street.
The "Kool Aid Party" (they'll soon begin calling it that) ain't nearly as fastidious as the Tea Party.
Local press photo was of a protester from Dallas...so that's why your numbers were down in Ft Worth.
There are around two dozen Occupy Dallas ffolkes now camping out in Pioneer Plaza here in Dallas. Here are a few comments posted in the Dallas Morning News to help give a Texas perspective to it all:
"The protesters that I observed at the JFK Memorial last night were polite and caused no problems. At 9:00 am this morning they were beginning to disperse and were policing their trash on the lawn and the surrounding areas. A few even came over last night and thanked the Sheriff's Office and DPD for watching over them. Everyone has a right to their express opinions and concerns and these folks downtown did so in an orderly fashion."
"How does confiscating the wealth of the corporations and wealthy Americans benefit the middle class?"
"For all of those concerned about wealth concentration and corruption, why aren't you protesting the wealth attained by union leaders, Hollywood, George Soros, or Al Gore?"
"Ironic, I went to volunteer time today to work a soup kitchen. I washed and cleaned. I guess the protestors were too busy protesting to help out at an establishment like I did today. They could've gotten a meal out of it and a reference for future employment if they were so interested."
"...and speaking of those homeless. The Dallas police won't let them sleep there - what is the difference? ...Oh, I forgot, these protestors are being paid for this."
"Hey slackers, if you want to "demonstrate" something, demonstrate that you have the gumption to go out and get a job or start your own business. Or better yet, take the free time that you have and go volunteer for an organization that helps the poor and destitute."
"I imagine the homeless that roam downtown Dallas were none too pleased with these uninvited guests to their party."
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
Team Sergeant
10-11-2011, 07:00
Occupy Wall Street
In a related story there has been wide spread reports that the "People of Walmart" have been missing or not seen since the campaign of Occupy Wall Street began.........:munchin
Utah Bob
10-11-2011, 07:44
Occupy Wall Street
In a related story there has been wide spread reports that the "People of Walmart" have been missing or not seen since the campaign of Occupy Wall Street began.........:munchin
Aha! I knew it!:D
Utah Bob
10-11-2011, 07:47
I will follow as your acolyte, O Great One! Do I have to self-flagellate?
For those too squeamish to self-flagellate, I will do it to you for a small fee.:p
mojaveman
10-11-2011, 09:45
Just read a blurb online that stated the protestors are now going to be occupying the streets in front of the homes of Wall Street executives. That's kind of taking this thing to a slightly more personal level.
I agree.
Let the Marxists, anarchists, and environazi wackos rep for the Dims and front their cause till Election Day.
Funny thing is, they think they represent a majority of Americans. Self-delusional.
TR
No doubt, but the media will try to make heroes out of them.
This phenomenon is getting big and harder to control.
I heard there were over 2 dozen protesters at the Occupy Ft. Worth rally.:rolleyes:
Yes, our media is real good at making mountain out of a molehill. ;)
Well you guys might be happy about this then:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mayor_bloomberg_says_occupy_wall_hxsWjgaEegGMELAcD UNAtK
Looks like the City has no plans to boot them any time soon.
More like "Bloomberg" has no plans to boot them. He would rather bring this to a crisis, so he (or Obama) can take advantage of it. Don't let a good crisis go to waste.
Myself and a few others in the Phoenix area are taking this to the next level and we're going to actually "occupy" one of the corporations. We are committed and we will stay as long as we have to to get our message across.
Occupy Hooters. ;)
http://www.hooters.com/home.aspx
It would even better if you could George Soros to fund the operation...:D
I would tally up the cost paid in overtime for police and other services that these protest are causing, and send the bill to George Soros. If I was a cop (or a non-protesting citizen) and got hurt during these protest, I would sue every organization who funded these protests. If they're being bused in, then someone with money is paying for this. I would think they become liable for any untoward actions caused. Ok, Lawyers, go out and pass your card around, there's some money to be made here...:lifter
Intel Cop
10-11-2011, 12:11
Ok, Lawyers, go out and pass your card around, there's some money to be made here...:lifter
Oh they are on that one already, passing out cards to all the arrested protestors as they walk out of central booking. You really think any lawyer is going to sue on behalf of the police?
Oh they are on that one already, passing out cards to all the arrested protestors as they walk out of central booking. You really think any lawyer is going to sue on behalf of the police?
lol That's a valid point.
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's top leader said Wednesday that the wave of protests spreading from New York's Wall Street to other U.S. cities reflects a serious crisis that will ultimately topple capitalism in America.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei claimed the United States is now in a full-blown crisis because its "corrupt foundation has been exposed to the American people."
Khamenei made the remarks during a rally Wednesday in the western Iranian city of Kermanshah that drew tens of thousands of people. His speech was broadcast live on state TV.
The Occupy Wall Street movement started in New York City last month and is spreading to other parts of the country. The loosely affiliated movement is peacefully protesting the power of the financial and political sectors.
"They (U.S. government) may crack down on this movement but cannot uproot it," Khamenei said. "Ultimately, it will grow so that it will bring down the capitalist system and the West."
Khamenei's remarks were not the first from Iranian officials, who have called the Occupy Wall Street movement an "American Spring," likening it to the uprisings that have toppled autocratic Arab rulers in the Middle East earlier this year.
Khamenei claimed capitalism in the West has reached a dead-end and that "the world is at a historical turn."
The Occupy Wall Street protests have spread to other cities, including Atlanta, Chicago, Philadelphia, Seattle and Los Angeles, and have become a political issue, with Republicans accusing the demonstrators of waging "class war" and President Barack Obama saying he understands their frustrations.
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-wall-street-protests-topple-capitalism-103807426.html
Hopefully we hear more from Iran on these guys, the more association the Occupy Whatever crowd has with dinnernut and the rest of his crew, better the influence on the outcome in 2012. Hmm, maybe it's time for some "Iran is funding the occupiers" IO, even the MSM will eat it up as Iran is the new Satan...
Iran's top leader said Wednesday that the wave of protests spreading from New York's Wall Street to other U.S. cities reflects a serious crisis that will ultimately topple capitalism in America.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei claimed the United States is now in a full-blown crisis because its "corrupt foundation has been exposed to the American people."
The guy may know whatever that drunken chickenscratcing in his Q'ran claims but he's definitely a NO GO as a 48A. :rolleyes:
And so it goes...
Richard :munchin
http://www.anybeat.com/#conversations/politics/4e94ff0835a42f3e260000fb
Here is more of that repeating what the first knucklehead says, but they also prevent someone from filming them, which I find very ironic.
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/10/11/occupy-l-a-speaker-violence-will-be-necessary-to-achieve-our-goals/
The Mexicans Are Coming! The Mexicans Are Coming!
Not to worry - I'm watching 'The Alamo' right now to bone up on my TTPs for dealing with them if they ever try to take Texas back.
Richard :munchin
ZonieDiver
10-12-2011, 15:00
Not to worry - I'm watching 'The Alamo' right now to bone up on my TTPs for dealing with them if they ever try to take Texas back.
Richard :munchin
When you are instructed to go get the artillery and leave... go get the artillery, and LEAVE! Don't dawdle.
I don't this movement has to have a specific goal. It's just a lot of people speaking out in frustragtion because that is all they can do. For the most parts the cause is economic. People in their 20s can't find jobs and they can't really start their own business to become self employed even if they wanted to, because banks will not give them loans anyway. A lot of them are underemployed or are jumping from temp job to temp job with no hope in sight. Unions and leftwing groups are there for the ride to take advantage of this frustration, so yeah you will see the mixed messages about abolishing capitalism and etc. Will their protest make things better? I don't really know, time will tell.
ZonieDiver
10-12-2011, 15:25
There is a Facebook group called "Occupy Sesame Street" that has some pretty funny stuff.
The Reaper
10-12-2011, 16:59
I don't this movement has to have a specific goal. It's just a lot of people speaking out in frustragtion because that is all they can do. For the most parts the cause is economic. People in their 20s can't find jobs and they can't really start their own business to become self employed even if they wanted to, because banks will not give them loans anyway. A lot of them are underemployed or are jumping from temp job to temp job with no hope in sight. Unions and leftwing groups are there for the ride to take advantage of this frustration, so yeah you will see the mixed messages about abolishing capitalism and etc. Will their protest make things better? I don't really know, time will tell.
You have got to be shitting me.
Have you not seen the cranks, loons, anarchists, and overt Marxists in the crowd?
Most of them appear to be demanding guaranteed income, whether they work or not, and all of the ones I have seen asked have refused jobs, if offered.
I don't see much ambition in that crew.
TR
I don't this movement has to have a specific goal. It's just a lot of people speaking out in frustragtion because that is all they can do. For the most parts the cause is economic. People in their 20s can't find jobs and they can't really start their own business to become self employed even if they wanted to, because banks will not give them loans anyway. A lot of them are underemployed or are jumping from temp job to temp job with no hope in sight. are there for the ride to take advantage of this frustration, so yeah you will see the mixed messages about abolishing capitalism and etc. Will their protest make things better? I don't really know, time will tell.
There is definitely a movement there and there is a specific goal, but I am not sure you see it. This event was planned months ago, Google Stephen Lerner and read about the plans to bring down Wall Street.
This thing is a lot of people, some of whom are frustrated and most of them are allowing themselves to be manipulated to further the agenda of radicals like Lerner, Van Jones, Trumpka and Billy Ayers.....just to name a few.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.....ask Leon Trotsky and others who followed to the tune of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
These frustrated fools may wake up one morning and wonder WTF happened.....it wasn't supposed to end this way.
craigepo
10-12-2011, 17:47
I don't this movement has to have a specific goal. It's just a lot of people speaking out in frustragtion because that is all they can do. For the most parts the cause is economic. People in their 20s can't find jobs and they can't really start their own business to become self employed even if they wanted to, because banks will not give them loans anyway. A lot of them are underemployed or are jumping from temp job to temp job with no hope in sight. Unions and leftwing groups are there for the ride to take advantage of this frustration, so yeah you will see the mixed messages about abolishing capitalism and etc. Will their protest make things better? I don't really know, time will tell.
These people live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. This nation's capitalist economy has produced more wealth, and allowed people to live with more freedom, than any nation ever. But, that's not good enough. These barnacles-on-the-ass-of-society want more stuff given to them: free college, forgiven college loans, 90% income tax on high-income citizens, etc. They decry the evils of Wall Street, and bemoan corporate profits.
These people don't realize that we already have the government they want. The bottom 47% of taxpayers pay ZERO income tax. Our government gives away billions to the poor, forcing the redistribution of income from those who produce to those who do not.
Nevertheless, this bunch of spoiled jackasses want to dismantle the greatest nation in the world so that they themselves can sit on their collective asses and legally access the incomes of hard-working people that actually contribute to society. Every one of these spoiled punks should be dropped into a 3rd world country for a month. Maybe they would then realize just how good they've got it here. Or they would get lost and decompose in a country with a government more to their liking.
and all of the ones I have seen asked have refused jobs, if offered.
TR,
Do you have a source for that?
Intel Cop
10-12-2011, 19:53
My local news had a funny segment on today where they were speaking to a guy working in the area. He's all worked up and says "You and I both saw that guy pour the urine out of that bucket into the street!"
They cut the interview and the reporter says "For the record, I didn't see that, and maybe it wasn't urine anyway."
Good cover. Real nice. Show the truth on these animals.
TR,
Do you have a source for that?
The Reaper is a source.
The Reaper is a source.
I mean videos of said people denying work when offered. I just can't imagine them doing that in this economy.
The Reaper
10-12-2011, 20:24
TR,
Do you have a source for that?
I saw two interviews, and when asked if someone came out on Wall Street from a business and offered them a job, would they accept, and both said no.
I did not record them in case I was asked for incontrovertible evidence.
What else do you want me to run down for you?
I mean videos of said people denying work when offered. I just can't imagine them doing that in this economy.
Look, most of the people I have seen in the crowds appear to be of a political bent that they would prefer that all of their needs be provided to them by the efforts of others. Anarchists, burn-outs, Marxists, socialists, communists, hippies, professional students, agitators, community activists, you know the type. People with no sense or duty or personal responsibility.
Hard work would be an anathema to them.
TR
Looks as if this thing is gettin' serious...time to go ask Marjory the Trash Heap for advice.
Richard :munchin
GratefulCitizen
10-12-2011, 22:07
"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
-Frederic Bastiat
The "occupiers" aren't even pretending to want to work.
They're already threatening violence in LA.
Violence?!?
Whatever.
They want my stuff?
They want to come and take the fruits of my labor; food from my children's mouths?
Come and get it.
Doubtful that their "violence" would get them much in Free America (except for some fatal lead poisoning).
Ah, the posturing and theatricality of populists.
<<LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrzQedHM6SY&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1)>>
What would Clarence say? Every time an attention whore howls in fake anguish on the internet, an angel gets his wings.
GratefulCitizen
10-14-2011, 20:55
Ah, the posturing and theatricality of populists.
<<LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrzQedHM6SY&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1)>>
What would Clarence say? Every time an attention whore howls in fake anguish on the internet, an angel gets his wings.
Was expecting a trainer to come out and spray his leg with water.
It definitely warranted a yellow card.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/750117/soccer_players_faking_injury/
Now we know why the occupiers are playing hackey-sack in the park.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVim7rjfKOQ
In their own words copied from their web site:
Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.
With the onset of seasonal changes, adrift in a rudderless boat, all thats necessary for the political elite (Democrat and Republican parties) to do is yawn. The movement will never mature into a revolt for one simple reason: strategy is base politically based, rather than economic.
The plan must center on starving the banks of capital, so that they respond. One method is to explain the interest % CC holders are paying, upwards to 29% vs what the banks paid as a % on taxpayer money lent to the banks via the bailout. This information might resonate with the broader American sensibility of fair play; while simultaneously enlisting the public to withhold all payments on CC debt and mortgage payments until the banks lower the rate to a respectable 8% for CC, 4.45% on mortgages.
Employing a financial tacit, rather they advocating a socialistic solution, the press, which the movement desperately needs would begin taking the faction seriously. After all, the first rule in defense of a two party system, by the power elite, is to marginalize then absorb any third party movement, insuring their survival. In this sense, the power elite has been successful demeaning and discounting the group; by noting the few with questionable history and behavior to create a picture that alienates, or dissuades the rest of the general electorate from joining them. Up to now the method has worked, but if a leader emerges who unites the American public with a message that if we all join together there is no consequence for our action, the banks do not want 500K more house to foreclose on, nor do they want to be starved of capital.
In short order the threats from the banks would escalate, bad credit rating, foreclosures etc, but with the American public acting in mass, it would be fruitless, short lived.
mark46th
10-15-2011, 10:45
The Wall Steet Whiners remind me of Latin America. Everyone is a victim, everyone is a martyr and the government owes everyone something. BullSxxt. There are two main things government owes me. The security necessary to be safe from threats foreign and domestic, and means to get me where I want to go, safely.
The Wall Steet Whiners remind me of Latin America. Everyone is a victim, everyone is a martyr and the government owes everyone something. BullSxxt. There are two main things government owes me. The security necessary to be safe from threats foreign and domestic, and means to get me where I want to go, safely.
Nothin' like a pack of kids protesting something about which they're unable to elaborate.
(Dennis Miller, paraphrased.)
Their message is a little mixed up ill admit. But at least someone is speaking up. Our entire political and financial system is based on legal bribery. You know something is wrong when I see $2900.00 go to taxes.
I find it ironic that these throwbacks from the 60's are occupying Iowa City, Iowa. They have owned it since the 60's. Iowa City Iowa is a cesspool crawling with like minded individuals, how it continues to exists in Iowa is anyones guess. The park they are squatting in does not allow camping or gathering to protesing for that matter with out a permit, unless the protest is spontaneous. Lest they upset these miscreants the city leaders decided to let them squat and protest without the necessary permits calling the protest spontaneous even tho they knew about it days in advance. Its much easier to just appease them, right Mayor Bloomburg? I guess the local occupy movements exist for those who cannot afford to actually go to Wall Street. Hopefully by mid December the wind chill will hovering around -30 and these folks will have moved to a warmer clime!
Utah Bob
10-15-2011, 21:14
They occupied Denver but the State Patrol ran them out of the state owned park last night.
They went across the street to a city owned park.:rolleyes:
DevilSide
10-17-2011, 00:41
The guy in the first video had a good argument, but got messed up when he brought war into it, how a New Yorker forgot about 9/11 I don't know. We need a lot of improvement on our economics but I wouldn't want to leave it to these people who would probably re-create the USSR or some wafflesauce. I know enough about Marxism and its various cousins to be surprised why anyone would want it in our world. But I like how he stressed that career politicians and their conflicts of interest are not in our interest. I personally would like to see so many jobs stop going overseas to avoid corporate taxes that could provide jobs to American's who are not busy protesting. I remember seeing something on TV about it was because we are not as educated as places like China and India, really? How smart do you have to be to read a troubleshooting script to a person trying to plug in their new TV? Or stitch nike's? The second video was just creepy, sure we have problems but those people shouldnt be anywhere near a position of power, I would actually prefer the status quo.
"Khamenei's remarks were not the first from Iranian officials, who have called the Occupy Wall Street movement an "American Spring," likening it to the uprisings that have toppled autocratic Arab rulers in the Middle East earlier this year."
That was funny ^^
.................Now owns it.
White House Draws Closer To Occupy Wall Street, Says Obama Is Fighting For The Interests Of The 99%
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-draws-closer-to-occupy-wall-street-says-obama-is-fighting-for-interests-of-the-99-2011-10#ixzz1b2KTLdsE
Don't include me in the "99%". I'm well into the top 50% - that ain't hard - and the smelly loons ain't talking for me.
"The White House continued its embrace of the Occupy Wall Street protests on Sunday, using the strongest terms yet to identify President Barack Obama with the growing movement.
In a call previewing Obama's upcoming bus tour through North Carolina and Virginia, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Obama "will continue to acknowledge the frustration that he himself shares," about Washington's laggard response to the financial crisis..................."
Below is a link to hacker postings of Day of Rage and OWS organizational emails and notes. This information was posted on Twitter and on the web (IIFC "JESTER"). The E-mails document pre-planning for events, Tactics and targets.
For example:
quote:
Hi Free Folks,
This is a pretty radical proposal but I am gonna put it out there.
No demands. Instead, we will live and practice and be the change we want to see. Our only "demand" is an invitation to all New Yorkers, all US citizens, and perhaps all peoples around the world living under corrupt, exploitative, violent and oppressive political or economic systems to JOIN US. Anyone who feel dis-enfranchised, voiceless, or lacks basic human rights or liberties should JOIN US. Anyone who wants to have a planet that will continue to sustain life should JOIN US.
Liberty Plaza, quite simply, is a liberated zone, and we are forming a new government in opposition to the dominant systems. We are practicing direct participatory democracy, and we INVITE YOU TO JOIN US!
The logical conclusion is admittedly a polarizing, but if Libyan "rebels" can claim to be legitimate government of that state, why can't we lay claim to a new legitimacy? We are a new state that explicitly rejects violence.
I appreciate any responses or feedback on this suggestion.
Mellow Yellow
AND
quote:
So, another high profile target to consider for tomorrow, and evening event that will be totally unexpected and would make a lot of noise would be to have an action at the New York Public Library's $25K a plate dinner tomorrow night. Usually the exact speakers/attendees of the events are kept hush hush until after, but here is a recent example: http://newyorkpubliclibrary.or...rnow-and-jon-meacham all of the attendees will be linked to the corporate power structure in one way or another.
The location is the main building at 42nd and 5th ave, with a park behind the library, Bryant Park: http://g.co/maps/uxkxk
The board of the NYPL is comprised of the top 1% and is just a great general target for a peaceful powerful action. For all it will scream abt how they are a struggling NGO, the library is worth over a billion culled from it's donors. So there will be a large splash of attention with little if any collateral damage to NYPL.
Bryant Park is usually crowded from the early afternoon on, so you could do a lot of outreach there prior in conjunction if you would like. Mix of both natives and tourists and it is public space.
http://owsmail(DOT)dc406.com/s...tpos=0&s=R&stype=AND
GratefulCitizen
10-18-2011, 13:16
Thought about posting this in the comedy zone.
They aren't "stealing", they're "sharing"!!
:D
A $5500 laptop!!
Don't you feel sorry for these poor oppressed masses?:boohoo
And now, panhandlers are competing!!:D
Too funny.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK
It’s a den of thieves!
Occupy Wall Street protesters said yesterday that packs of brazen crooks within their ranks have been robbing their fellow demonstrators blind, making off with pricey cameras, phones and laptops -- and even a hefty bundle of donated cash and food.
“Stealing is our biggest problem at the moment,” said Nan Terrie, 18, a kitchen and legal-team volunteer from Fort Lauderdale.
“I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone. Last night, our entire [kitchen] budget for the day was stolen, so the first thing I had to do was . . . get the message out to our supporters that we needed food!”
“The worst thing is there’s people sleeping in the kitchen when they come, and they don’t even know about it! There are some really smart and sneaky thieves here,” Terrie said.
“I had umbrellas stolen, a fold-up bed I brought because my back is bad -- they took that, too!”
Security volunteer Harry Wyman, 22, of Brooklyn was furious about the thievery -- and vowed to get tough with the predatory perps.
“I’m not getting paid, but I’m not gonna stand for it. Why people got to come here and do stupid stuff? All it does is make people not wanna come here anymore,” Wyman fumed.
At one point yesterday, Wyman and other volunteers briefly scuffled with a man who was standing near a park entrance with a pail calling out: “Donations! Donations!” -- and pocketing the cash people tossed in the bucket.
<snip>
The Reaper
10-18-2011, 16:42
Thought about posting this in the comedy zone.
They aren't "stealing", they're "sharing"!!
:D
A $5500 laptop!!
Don't you feel sorry for these poor oppressed masses?:boohoo
And now, panhandlers are competing!!:D
Too funny.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/criminal_occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGPCaZaLRK
That isn't stealing, it is redistribution of resources, just like they want to impose on us.
TR
That isn't stealing, it is redistribution of resources, just like they want to impose on us.
TR
And there you have it.
Oh the irony... :D