View Full Version : Active Shooter Carson City, NV
CA_TacMedic
09-06-2011, 11:50
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/06/at-least-8-reportedly-shot-at-ihop-restaurant-in-nevada/?test=latestnews
Close to home for me...I have carried off duty every day since I was 21....I talk about active shooter scenarios with my wife and children all the time as well as run many active shooter threat assessment drills for work. We (my wife and kids) have what we hope will be a workable plan to survive an event like this. I think we rehearse what we would do in this scenario more than a fire drill at home. This almost seems more likely these days. What other planning considerations come into play in preparing for an incident like this, as a patron, not a police officer responding on duty? Seating considerations, vigilance, situational awareness, immediate action for the event?
Wallace
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10819&highlight=survival+planning
Several good tips here.
CA_TacMedic
09-06-2011, 12:38
Thank you sir for the link.
I forgot to add: Keep the victim's and their families in your prayers. In addition Fox News is reporting that some of the victims were NG Soldiers. It is unclear if they were in uniform as of yet. Motive still unknown and as usual the coward shooter has shot himself.
Wallace
I know the IHOP on 395 Carson City, nice little spot, in a nice little town.
I'll be following this one closely.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44410882/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
CARSON CITY, Nevada — A man with an automatic rifle opened fire at an IHOP restaurant in Nevada's capital on Tuesday, killing two National Guard members, another person and himself in a hail of gunfire during the morning breakfast hour, authorities and witnesses said.
Six people were wounded in the attack. The suspect, who hasn't been identified, apparently acted alone and died at a hospital in Reno, officials said. Authorities weren't saying whether the attack targeted the Guard members, who were meeting at the restaurant in a strip mall on Carson City's main street.
One of the Guard members killed was a man; the other was a woman, authorities said.
Witnesses said the gunman pulled up in a blue minivan around 9 a.m. and shot a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside the restaurant and started shooting. He then walked outside and fires shots at a barbecue restaurant and an H&R Block in the strip mall, and a casino across the street.
"I don't know what's happening to my city," Fran Hunter, who works at a Sierra Le Bone, a pet shop just north of the IHOP, told the Reno Gazette-Journal. "This happens in L.A. or Las Vegas but not here."
The state Capitol and Supreme Court buildings were locked down for about 40 minutes, and extra security measures were put in place at state and military buildings in northern Nevada, but the shooting appeared to be an isolated incident, said Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong.
"There were concerns at the onset, so we took certain steps to ensure we had the capability to embrace an even larger circumstance," Furlong said. "At this point in time it appears to be isolated to this parking lot."
Local and state police and FBI agents descended on the scene, and yellow police tape surrounded the parking lot at the restaurant, which is near a Kohl's department store.
"As you know when you have people in uniform who are randomly targeted for whatever reason this may have been, it is a safety precaution we take very seriously," said Nevada Highway Patrol Trooper Chuck Allen.
Renown Regional Medicare Center spokesman Dan Davis told The Associated Press four victims of the shooting were being treated at the hospital in Reno, but he said he could not discuss their condition or provide any other information.
Kurt Althof, public relations manager for Care Flight, told the Gazette-Journal three victims had been taken to the hospital by helicopter and that two were in critical condition.
Ralph Swagler, owner of another restaurant near the IHOP told the Reno Gazette-Journal that he witnessed the 9 a.m. shooting. Swagler said he saw a man wearing a red shirt and black shorts pull up to the IHOP in blue minivan. The man then pulled out a rifle and shot a man on a motorcycle, then walked inside IHOP and started shooting, Swagler told the newspaper.
The man then fired several shots at other businesses in the area, including the Locals Barbecue and the H&R Block.
"This happens in Third-World countries, not here," Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue, told the newspaper.
The minivan was registered locally, Furlong said.
Local and state police and FBI agents descended on the scene on the main street in the state capital, also called U.S. 395. Yellow tape surrounded the parking lot near a Kohl's department store in a shopping complex across the street from a casino and hotel.
"We just heard basically a string of gunshots, probably 5 to 7 back to back to back to back and then there was probably 30 second delay then an automatic weapon fired, probably 20 to 30 shots," said Gary Gamba, general sales manager at Michael Hohl Motors, which is across the street from the IHOP.
Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., released a statement expressing condolences to the victims' families.
"I'm deeply saddened by this senseless act and extend my sympathies to those afflicted this morning," Reid said. "I applaud the first responders for their professionalism, and my thoughts are with the victims and their families during this difficult time."
Rep. Joe Heck, R-Nev., posted on Twitter that his heart and prayers go out to the victims' friends and families. And state Sen. Ben Kieckhefer tweeted: "My God be with the families of those hurt and killed in the senseless violence today in Carson City."
Team Sergeant
09-06-2011, 14:15
Here in Arizona IHOP has a big sign on their doors, "NO GUNS".
I don't eat at IHOP, nor will I ever eat at IHOP. Or any other place that displays the "NO GUNS" sign.
Crazy how those "gun free" zones are where most of the wacko's go to murder innocent sheeple. Funny that....
greenberetTFS
09-06-2011, 14:23
How legal is that sign?........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
Team Sergeant
09-06-2011, 14:27
How legal is that sign?........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
Doesn't matter to me. It sends a clear message.
Someday the sheeple might realize that the only individuals that respect the "No Gun" signs are law abiding citizens.
How legal is that sign?........:confused:
Big Teddy :munchin
Here in NC, it is perfectly legal. If a store owner displays a "No Concealed Firearms" or "No Weapons" sign in a prominent location, you are not supposed to take your firearm inside, even with a CCW permit.
The suspect, who hasn't been identified, apparently acted alone and died at a hospital in Reno, officials said.
America is one of the only Countries I know where an "active shooter", who has killed innocent people, wounded others, and tried to take his own life...is still taken to a hospital in what? AN attempt at a recovery?!:rolleyes: WTH???
And who pays for that ride??? I bet a few bucks out of the locals pockets, (whom he has just killed), though they do not know it.
Rediculous. And very Sad.:confused:
Holly
The Reaper
09-06-2011, 19:13
Here in NC, it is perfectly legal. If a store owner displays a "No Concealed Firearms" or "No Weapons" sign in a prominent location, you are not supposed to take your firearm inside, even with a CCW permit.
The signage has to meet a specific criteria though, in order to be enforceable.
TR
Cake_14N
09-07-2011, 07:33
Here in NC, it is perfectly legal. If a store owner displays a "No Concealed Firearms" or "No Weapons" sign in a prominent location, you are not supposed to take your firearm inside, even with a CCW permit.
Same here.
Only folks that follow the rules are the good ones. Criminals still carry and still pose a threat. I also avoid these locations as much as possible.
Excerpt from an article:
The gunfire prompted Ralph Swagler, the owner of a nearby barbecue restaurant, to grab his weapon.
But when Sencion started toward him, Swagler backed away.
"I wish I had shot at him when he was going in the IHOP," said Swagler, who owns Locals BBQ & Grill. "But when he came at me, when somebody is pointing an automatic weapon at you — you can't believe the firepower, the kind of rounds coming out of that weapon."Stay safe.
Excerpt from an article:
Stay safe.
They had this guy on video on Fox this morning. You could tell it scared the crap out of him. From what the witnesses were saying, it may have been a bona fide auto AK-47. I guess this guy didn't have that much confidence in his marksmanship or combat skills and chose self preservation.
Can a US service member, on uniform carry a personal weapon with valid concealed permit? The question has raised because it is permitted in Israel for example (from a certain rank). I'm just trying to compare. Thank you.
My question is, why must you have a permit to carry?
Every living creature has the right to protect themselves, be it bee, spider, cat, dog, horse, fish, bird, etc. Why not man?
In Israel, I've seen M-16s, hanging on the back wall near the kitchen, right next to the waiters coffee pot work station, on the wall with the fire extinguisher.
My question is, why must you have a permit to carry?
Every living creature has the right to protect themselves, be it bee, spider, cat, dog, horse, fish, bird, etc. Why not man?
In Israel, I've seen M-16s, hanging on the back wall near the kitchen, right next to the waiters coffee pot work station, on the wall with the fire extinguisher.
We have too many lawyers in the US, on the other hand at least we have laws that are somewhat enforced/followed.
My 0.000002 cents. Back to PT.
WholeManin2010
09-07-2011, 11:22
Excerpt from an article:
Stay safe.
Sounds like this fella has no business carrying in the first place.
I would state that everyone thinking about owning a firearm for personal defense take a quiet moment to reflect on whether you would be willing to take another's life to protect yourself or those you are responsible for. If not, do us all a favor and do not carry a firearm for defense.
Cake_14N
09-07-2011, 11:39
Can a US service member, on uniform carry a personal weapon with valid concealed permit? The question has raised because it is permitted in Israel for example (from a certain rank). I'm just trying to compare. Thank you.
Our TAG ( Commanding General) has posted his policy prohibiting carry of a personal weapon in uniform. He has even gone so far as to make it punishable to have your personal weapon in your car on Guard property. ( A number of Army locations are not on an established base )
It is going to take an event similar to this one to happen here in New Mexico before we can hope for any change in this policy.
Our TAG ( Commanding General) has posted his policy prohibiting carry of a personal weapon in uniform. He has even gone so far as to make it punishable to have your personal weapon in your car on Guard property. ( A number of Army locations are not on an established base )
It is going to take an event similar to this one to happen here in New Mexico before we can hope for any change in this policy.
Only an all out war in our nations streets, cities, towns, etc., before you will ever see policy change.
Good luck.
Our TAG ( Commanding General) has posted his policy prohibiting carry of a personal weapon in uniform. He has even gone so far as to make it punishable to have your personal weapon in your car on Guard property. ( A number of Army locations are not on an established base )I'm not saying and/or implying that you should violate a Generals' order(s) however, I've worked out in Socorro, NM and there is no-way I'd travel around without a way too protect myself.;)
Stay safe.
Cake_14N
09-07-2011, 13:00
I'm not saying and/or implying that you should violate a Generals' order(s) however, I've worked out in Socorro, NM and there is no-way I'd travel around without a way too protect myself.;)
Stay safe.
I simply avoid all of those locations where I am not allowed to have my Pistol.
Intel Cop
09-07-2011, 17:37
Can a US service member, on uniform carry a personal weapon with valid concealed permit? The question has raised because it is permitted in Israel for example (from a certain rank). I'm just trying to compare. Thank you.
I used to carry at drill when I was in the reserves. I hate to admit it, but a lot of my reason was the people I served with. Most of them knew I was a cop, and many made it clear that they were perps once the BDU's came off. I wasn't going to be unarmed during someone's "accidental discharge".
Sounds like this fella has no business carrying in the first place.
I totally disagree. This guy had no clue what the shooter's intentions were, and he was way out-gunned. He also is not a law enforcement officer or anyone else with responsibility to protect others. My carry situation is obviously different being a law enforcement officer, but if I wasn't, my firearm would be on my person for the protection of my family and myself, in that order. Based on societal factors outside of my control, I'd be VERY apprehensive as a CCW holder to insert myself into a situation that does not already involve me. Even when armed, unless you have a SWORN DUTY to protect life, there are many situations where a tactical retreat is the preferred option. And I'm saying this as someone who has no problem engaging in a gunfight.
....Based on societal factors outside of my control, I'd be VERY apprehensive as a CCW holder to insert myself into a situation that does not already involve me.
In some states it's "directly involve". Many CCW permit holders are taught, the weapon is never drawn unless it is their life that is in danger.
When taken to a Judge in criminal court, I would hate to have to admit, my life was not direcly threatened by the perp, but rather, I "Lone Ranger-up'd".
For him, (the other store owner), it is not a wrong or right decision as to, "Do I?" , or "Do I not?", it is just a decision he will have to live with.
Still, it would have been nice to hear from someone in the news, "I shot back, and the perp dropped."
WholeManin2010
09-07-2011, 19:33
I totally disagree. This guy had no clue what the shooter's intentions were, and he was way out-gunned. He also is not a law enforcement officer or anyone else with responsibility to protect others. My carry situation is obviously different being a law enforcement officer, but if I wasn't, my firearm would be on my person for the protection of my family and myself, in that order. Based on societal factors outside of my control, I'd be VERY apprehensive as a CCW holder to insert myself into a situation that does not already involve me. Even when armed, unless you have a SWORN DUTY to protect life, there are many situations where a tactical retreat is the preferred option. And I'm saying this as someone who has no problem engaging in a gunfight.
No idea what the shooter's intentions were? You see a guy walking into a business armed with an AK-47, who just shot a motorcyclist, you know what his intentions are. Sure, a CCW is a means to protect yourself, but that thing beating in the middle of your chest -- and any number of qualities and values that are clearly lacking among many men these days -- should arm a man with the nuts and courage to put the safety of others before his own. ESPECIALLY in the absence of LE.
I'm no lawyer, but as a FL CWL holder, I (and my lawyer) can bear the following in mind:
Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?
A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:
Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
For the record, I would not engage in a Hollywood gun battle if my own actions would more likely result in harm to others than the perp himself, but if he passes me up as a target, and gives me any reasonable opportunity whatsoever, I am going to put no less than one round of .45 acp somewhere that counts. If I were not willing to so in defense of myself OR others, I would not carry.
I used to carry at drill when I was in the reserves. I hate to admit it, but a lot of my reason was the people I served with. Most of them knew I was a cop, and many made it clear that they were perps once the BDU's came off. I wasn't going to be unarmed during someone's "accidental discharge".
It speaks very poorly of your reserve unit that you felt you could not trust your fellow reservists.
I totally disagree. This guy had no clue what the shooter's intentions were, and he was way out-gunned. He also is not a law enforcement officer or anyone else with responsibility to protect others. My carry situation is obviously different being a law enforcement officer, but if I wasn't, my firearm would be on my person for the protection of my family and myself, in that order. Based on societal factors outside of my control, I'd be VERY apprehensive as a CCW holder to insert myself into a situation that does not already involve me. Even when armed, unless you have a SWORN DUTY to protect life, there are many situations where a tactical retreat is the preferred option. And I'm saying this as someone who has no problem engaging in a gunfight.
As a police officer, I find your statement of "have a SWORN DUTY to protect life" interesting, as no law enforcement officer has that. There are many court decisions stating as much: http://www.endtimesreport.com/NO_AFFIRMATIVE_DUTY.htm What we as law enforcement officers have is a sworn duty to uphold and enforce the law. In NC, a CCW holder may use deadly force to protect himself or others. I am not sure about Nevada's laws, however I would argue that it is a basic human right and responsibility to protect others from harm if one has the means to do so. Especially in a situation such as this where a CCW holder witnessed the bad guy kill an innocent bystander. A reasonable person should have been able to determine that someone doing that and moving to enter a restaurant full of innocent bystanders was not going to order breakfast. If he had taken cover and simply challenged the shooter, possibly giving those inside more reaction time, he might have been able to avert the slaughter. I am playing the "what if" game, but it is a possibility.
Here in Arizona IHOP has a big sign on their doors, "NO GUNS".
I don't eat at IHOP, nor will I ever eat at IHOP. Or any other place that displays the "NO GUNS" sign.
Crazy how those "gun free" zones are where most of the wacko's go to murder innocent sheeple. Funny that....
You'll NEVER see a "No Guns" sign at my business. Three of us (myself, my wife and my daughter) have our CCW. :) Neither of the other two employees do unfortunately.
....however I would argue that it is a basic human right and responsibility to protect others from harm if one has the means to do so.
rdret1, I agree with you 100%. May I add, I do not believe that a person must pocess a CCW to exercise that right either. But self preservation being what it is, we can not place blame on someone who simply ran away, or takes cover.
Hmmm,
I've often thought of offering these as business cards.
19990
19991
The Reaper
09-07-2011, 21:07
Can a US service member, on uniform carry a personal weapon with valid concealed permit? The question has raised because it is permitted in Israel for example (from a certain rank). I'm just trying to compare. Thank you.
Not on a Federal installation.
TR
Not on a Federal installation.
TR
This raises another question. I'm pretty sure he cannot carry while in uniform off the installation either. Anyone smarter than me (just about everyone on this board) want to chime in?
Intel Cop
09-08-2011, 05:26
It speaks very poorly of your reserve unit that you felt you could not trust your fellow reservists.
One of the worst decisions I have ever made in my life was joining that unit after leaving 10th Group. I was convinced by a friend from grammar school who had been a career reservist there.
As a police officer, I find your statement of "have a SWORN DUTY to protect life" interesting, as no law enforcement officer has that.
Depends on what you mean by that statement. Here we don't have a duty to use our firearm to protect life, but we are definitely bound to do it somehow when on-duty. Off-duty my only total responsibility is to call 911 and be an effective observer. There's actually a statement in our patrol guide to the effect of no officer will ever be questioned on why they did NOT fire.
Especially in a situation such as this where a CCW holder witnessed the bad guy kill an innocent bystander.
I didn't know that he witnessed someone being killed already. Obviously that changes the thought process of the situation.
We have too many lawyers in the US, on the other hand at least we have laws that are somewhat enforced/followed.
Unfortunately, this statement is where a lot of my opinion on this matter comes from, especially living where I do. I'm sure my opinion would be different if I lived in Nevada or another more gun-friendly state, but I can't speak to something I've never experienced.
frostfire
09-08-2011, 08:27
"This happens in Third-World countries, not here," Swagler, owner of Locals Barbecue, told the newspaper.
Reminds me of the writings here and from Grossman's works on sheep, sheepdog, wolf, etc. When one subscribes to "it can not/will never happen to me or here" and 1% = 0%, denial is the first reactionary and coping mechanism. I'm also reminded of that diner scene from History of Violence
OTOH, I think most, if not all here subscribe to this :D
"Ain't no one getting out of this world alive. All you can do is try to have some choice in the way you go. Prepare yourself (and your affairs), and when your number is up, die on your feet fighting rather than on your knees. And make the SOBs pay dearly."
The Reaper-3 Sep 04
"it can not/will never happen to me or here"
I wish I had a penny for every time I've heard that with regards to American Jews, firearms and defending oneself. :rolleyes:
Some of you may have seen this, others maybe not, however, he can explain it far better than I can.
http://blip.tv/play/AYH7zBEC
............................but it did.
Hero cop retires from Fayetteville police force
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5889376/
"..................."You train for situations like that your entire life in police work, and you hope you never have to use it," Simons said Friday as he recalled the incident. "You train really hard to try to be on top of your game for any situation you run into, and you're never really prepared for it."................"
I know the IHOP on 395 Carson City, nice little spot, in a nice little town.My ex lives in Carson City...but she never goes to IHOP....:(
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44463671/ns/local_news-reno_nv/
KRNV-TV
updated 9/9/2011 9:17:44 PM ET
(Mynews4.com & KRNV) Carson City, NV- A group that celebrates the death of American soldiers confirmed to News 4 they are heading to Carson City to picket during funerals of soldiers slain in Tuesday's mass shooting.
“Yes we are planning on being at the National Guard memorial and the funeral home in Carson City.” Those are the words of Fred Phelps Jr., a member of Westboro Baptist church.
“This is a high profile, classic example of what’s going on in this country. God is punishing this nation,” said Phelps.
He says the group is scrambling to send six members to Carson City this weekend to protest during the memorial for the soldiers brutally killed earlier in the week.
Phelps Jr., said they just found out about the events this afternoon and are in the process of arranging flights.
Local and state law enforcement met in preparation of a possible protest. Westboro has held protests in Reno before, in 2008 and 2009.
According to police, the primary concern during any kind of protest, is safety and freedom of speech. But at what point does freedom of speech cross line?
When asked if he had no remorse for the families who lost their loved ones, Phelps Jr. said “What I have is thankfulness for the judgments of God. His judgment on that occasion is more punishment for the military, who has declared war on this little church.”
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Just in....
18:37PM
News 4 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44463671/ns/local_news-reno_nv/
WBC confirmed they will be here on Sunday. Stay resolved to stand up and keep those haters out of Nevada.
Too pissed to say much more in an email...
Webmaster Mike
LCMC / NNVCOC
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 6:29 PM
Hello COC Members,
I just talked with Fran from Iron Nation MC and explained the situation. I
am sure everyone plans on being at the 9-11 run, all that are interested in
helping block the Westborro Wackos from the services for our 3 fallen
Soldiers families, will leave the Iron Nation event at 2:30 to head down to
Carson City. Fran totally understands the situation and said Iron Nation
would be there too if they did not have to continue their event out for the
rest of the day.
We appreciate Iron Nation serving the 9-11 survivors and being understanding
about doing what we have to do. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the
families that are enduring this sense-less action that has changed
everyone's life.
L&R, Rick - Soldiers For Jesus MC
Webmaster Mike here,
I agree that we can and should show our support - whether or not the WBC
shows. Also remember that this is the 9-11 memorial weekend, and INMC 10th
annual event is Sunday @ Cottonwood Park. See the Events page @
www.nnvcoc.com for details.
We can decide there on how we want to roll to Carson, I know I will be
going. I have active duty in my family and as a Vet myself I could no less.
If you have any flags or appropriate signs please bring them.
May God Bless those who stand in uniform for us, we need to stand up for
them.
Please read Kenny's message below.
Respectfully,
Webmaster Mike
LCMC / NNVCOC
-------------------------------------
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Thoughts on where to meet on Sunday
This one is for the group - 4:00 PM - There will be a memorial service at
OTAG for all three soldiers. This will be big, and draw a crowd. Again,
this is being held behind the gates, so any protesters would have to stay outside the fence.
My thoughts would be have riders meet in Carson about 3:00 PM after the Iron
Nation Run. Then the group of club members should ride up Fairview Drive
and spread out along the fence line at the Guard base to block any
demonstrators and show support for the fallen.
Any questions call
Kenny
Brotherhood MC
The wife of Major Heath Kelly has requested the presence of the Nevada Patriot Guard for escort duty on Saturday, 10 September 2011.
MEET TIME & PLACE: Walton's Funeral Home, 875 West 2nd Street Reno, NV at 1130 hrs. for flag lines as the remains are placed in the hearse. The hearse departs at 1200 hrs. with police escort enroute to Carson City.
Again flag lines for the moving of the remains. Viewing will be from 1300 hrs. Services will be from 1400 hrs. Flag lines for the moving of the remains.
Return trip to Reno (Walton's) will be approximately 1445-1450 hrs. Again MAJOR police escort. Flag line again at Walton's. Release will be at Walton's upon completion of the mission.
Please maintain proper manners while in the military area in Carson City. They are NOT used to such an ordeal and respect is appreciated.
For those not riding the escort, your flags will be MUCH appreciated at either, or both locations and I am told that MAJ. Kelly was very patriotic.
DRIVING INSTRUCTIONS: The easiest way to get to West 2nd St. is to exit I-80 at Keystone, go south over the train ditch and 2nd St. will be the light. Left turn and you WON'T miss it.
So... throw your flags in your bags and LET'S HAVE MAXIMUM PARTICIPATION. As always, I encourage brother clubs to "fall in" with us. MAKE NEVADA PROUD!
Dave Kealey
Northern Nevada Captain
Nevada Patriot Guard
Cake_14N
09-10-2011, 09:46
Hmmm,
I've often thought of offering these as business cards.
19990
19991
Can you make this card more generic so I can use it in New Mexico?
It would be nice to be able to drop one off at the counter of the anti-gun establishments we have here.
dr. mabuse
09-11-2011, 09:32
Here in Arizona IHOP has a big sign on their doors, "NO GUNS".
I don't eat at IHOP, nor will I ever eat at IHOP. Or any other place that displays the "NO GUNS" sign.
Crazy how those "gun free" zones are where most of the wacko's go to murder innocent sheeple. Funny that....
Surprising that happens in Arizona.
In Texas, IHOPs are GTG re: guns. Must be a local thing.
For example, Jared's has a no gun policy throughout Houston but nowhere else.
Here's another name to add to the no-gun blacklist. :mad:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fired-walgreens-gun-toting-michigan-pharmacist-filled-robbers/story?id=13705438
...Must be a local thing.
Saw a sign above a Wyoming Bar that read: "No dancing on bar while wearing spurs."
Here's another name to add to the no-gun blacklist. :mad:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fired-walgreens-gun-toting-michigan-pharmacist-filled-robbers/story?id=13705438
Only thing he needs is better marksmanship training!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904491704576577000775537360.html
RENO, Nev.— A local police deputy chief said nine people are confirmed dead after a vintage World War II fighter plane slammed into a crowd of onlookers Friday at an air race here, while another 17 patients are still being treated for injuries and 24 have been treated and released.
The new numbers raise the death toll from early reports of three deaths, including the pilot. Two of the victims died at a local hospital, officials there said. The other seven, including the pilot, died on the tarmac at the airfield, officials said.
The plane, a P-51 Mustang fighter, smashed near the stands of the annual Reno air races. Debris littered the area, but no fires were visible.
Investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board had on Saturday taken control of operations at the local airport north of Reno where the air races were held. "The NTSB has this entire airfield locked down," said Roy Burgess, a spokesman for the National Championship Air Races, which puts on the event.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904491704576577000775537360.html
RENO, Nev.— A local police deputy chief said nine people are confirmed dead after a vintage World War II fighter plane slammed into a crowd of onlookers Friday at an air race here, while another 17 patients are still being treated for injuries and 24 have been treated and released.
The new numbers raise the death toll from early reports of three deaths, including the pilot. Two of the victims died at a local hospital, officials there said. The other seven, including the pilot, died on the tarmac at the airfield, officials said.
The plane, a P-51 Mustang fighter, smashed near the stands of the annual Reno air races. Debris littered the area, but no fires were visible.
Investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board had on Saturday taken control of operations at the local airport north of Reno where the air races were held. "The NTSB has this entire airfield locked down," said Roy Burgess, a spokesman for the National Championship Air Races, which puts on the event.
My wife was talking to a Continental Airline's dispatcher today and one of their senior DXers was at the race and has not been heard from. Sounds like the survivors may have some horrific injuries. I pray for the best for them.
Pat
My wife was talking to a Continental Airline's (CO) dispatcher today and one of their senior DXers was at the race and has not been heard from. Sounds like the survivors may have some horrific injuries. I pray for the best for them.
Pat
UPDATE: My wife heard from another CO DXer, today, that 6 people known to have been at the race, including their dispatcher, have not been accounted for. My wife knew him.
Pat
Team Sergeant
09-18-2011, 19:09
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904491704576577000775537360.html
RENO, Nev.— A local police deputy chief said nine people are confirmed dead after a vintage World War II fighter plane slammed into a crowd of onlookers Friday at an air race here, while another 17 patients are still being treated for injuries and 24 have been treated and released.
The new numbers raise the death toll from early reports of three deaths, including the pilot. Two of the victims died at a local hospital, officials there said. The other seven, including the pilot, died on the tarmac at the airfield, officials said.
The plane, a P-51 Mustang fighter, smashed near the stands of the annual Reno air races. Debris littered the area, but no fires were visible.
Investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board had on Saturday taken control of operations at the local airport north of Reno where the air races were held. "The NTSB has this entire airfield locked down," said Roy Burgess, a spokesman for the National Championship Air Races, which puts on the event.
Wet Dog, and the nexus to this story and the one I just quoted is?:rolleyes:
Active Shooter Carson City, NV
I'm guessing both were in NV?:rolleyes:
I'm guessing both were in NV?:rolleyes:
Something like that, l could've started another thread. LEO and first responders of the area, both heavily taxed with stress right now. Fallen, USN just down the road, a big burden for a small demographic.
Shows just how vulnerable an area can be, something to consider when discussing "Being Prepared", food, guns, or local hostilities, etc.
In complete contrast to a resturant owner running in the other direction, the pilot chose to drive his plane into the ground in order to save lives. Something to be discussed or identifed that "training" or lack of, can make or break the outcome of any situation.
If the two were not so closely related, I would have started another thread, my bad.
If the two were not so closely related, I would have started another thread, my bad.
You didn't know anyone here would have a connection. Sorry.
Pat
There is 7 pages to this article, and there was this interesting comment on page 1 from someone who swore to uphold the Constitution and one LEO.....glad I don't live in Nevada.
Nevada National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, one of the victims in the IHOP attack, responded to the shooting by calling for a ban on assault weapons, which can be purchased without a background check at many gun shows or through private sellers.
"I can't imagine why we are even selling assault weapons to civilians," said Kelley, who was shot in the foot and still uses a wheelchair. "There's no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian's home."
Washoe County Sheriff Mike Haley agreed, saying: "I don't see any logic to having assault weapons available to the public." But he said banning such weapons would spark a sharp response by gun-rights advocates.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20111025/NEWS/110230362/1002
greenberetTFS
10-25-2011, 11:00
There is 7 pages to this article, and there was this interesting comment on page 1 from someone who swore to uphold the Constitution and one LEO.....glad I don't live in Nevada.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20111025/NEWS/110230362/1002
In rebuttal,
Robert Smith, president of the Nevada State Rifle and Pistol Association, said guns are not the problem -- the problem lies with the people using them.
"It isn't the weapon that's bad, it's the person" who commits crimes with the weapons, he said. "If you keep them away from private citizens, you're making the private citizens unarmed targets."
Big Teddy :munchin
Team Sergeant
10-25-2011, 11:16
There is 7 pages to this article, and there was this interesting comment on page 1 from someone who swore to uphold the Constitution and one LEO.....glad I don't live in Nevada.
Nevada National Guard Sgt. Caitlin Kelley, one of the victims in the IHOP attack, responded to the shooting by calling for a ban on assault weapons, which can be purchased without a background check at many gun shows or through private sellers.
"I can't imagine why we are even selling assault weapons to civilians," said Kelley, who was shot in the foot and still uses a wheelchair. "There's no reason for an AK-47 or an M-16 or an M-4 to be in a civilian's home."
Washoe County Sheriff Mike Haley agreed, saying: "I don't see any logic to having assault weapons available to the public." But he said banning such weapons would spark a sharp response by gun-rights advocates.
http://www.rgj.com/article/20111025/NEWS/110230362/1002
Yup, coundn't agree more, and I'd also like to see everyone over the age of 75 banned from driving over 15 miles per hour, all fat cops fired, death sentence for anyone caught texting while driving, etc etc etc.
Washoe County Sheriff Mike Haley you're an idiot. I think I'll go and purchase another assault weapon....;)
greenberetTFS
10-25-2011, 11:24
Yup, coundn't agree more, and I'd also like to see everyone over the age of 75 banned from driving over 15 miles per hour, all fat cops fired, death sentence for anyone caught texting while driving, etc etc etc.
Washoe County Sheriff Mike Haley you're an idiot. I think I'll go and purchase another assault weapon....
I'd also like to see everyone over the age of 75 banned from driving over 15 miles per hour.... :eek: Check out my age!......... :rolleyes: You want to put me in an old peoples home also?...........:p
Big Teddy :munchin
In the liberal mind it all makes sense:
If it feels good do it...so...we need to remove all temptations of "feel good" things that could have potentially negative outcomes, like the gun used to blow away the dude who just busted your balls, because it feels good, right?
Following this course of logic, lets ban:
1. Cars and Cosmopolitans = Less DUIs
2. Mobile phones, Twitter, Facebook, TXT, email and all forms of driver distracting communication = Less distracted drives
3. Forks and Knives = they can kill as well
4. Food = causes obesity
4. Reproduction = there are some people who should not be allowed to reproduce
6. Life = the consequence of certain people living may potentially have a very bad outcome
Of course we could just ban libtards, because their "feel good" ideology is known to have very negative outcomes...
ZonieDiver
10-25-2011, 11:36
I'd also like to see everyone over the age of 75 banned from driving over 15 miles per hour.... Check out my age!......... :rolleyes: You want to put me in an old peoples home also?...........:p
Big Teddy :munchin
Hell, no, Big Teddy! You'd just have to leave for anywhere you go a lot earlier!:D
TS, I think that law has already been passed here in Phoenix!
Team Sergeant
10-25-2011, 11:40
TS, I think that law has already been passed here in Phoenix!
Don't I wish......
The next 70+ year old I see driving in the fast lane and talking on the cell phone I'm going to make disappear......:mad:
Don't I wish......
The next 70+ year old I see driving in the fast lane and talking on the cell phone I'm going to make disappear......:mad:
I'd settle for a catapult at traffic lights to throw them forward when the light turns green.
I swear to God I was siting behind one Blue Hair at a light. Took her until the light turned yellow to start rolling - and then she slammed on her brakes leaving the car right on top the white stripe. She made it through the second time with me right on her bumper but I could see the light turn yellow as I went under it.