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Dusty
09-05-2011, 05:04
lol I put this in this forum because it's just the same old, tired BS the left, with the help of rags like the NYT, has been getting away with over and over again. This example of Stimulus Pre-conditioning comes just in time for the "Jobs Speech"...


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/business/in-internet-age-postal-service-struggles-to-stay-solvent-and-relevant.html?_r=1


The United States Postal Service has long lived on the financial edge, but it has never been as close to the precipice as it is today: the agency is so low on cash that it will not be able to make a $5.5 billion payment due this month and may have to shut down entirely this winter unless Congress takes emergency action to stabilize its finances.


“Our situation is extremely serious,” the postmaster general, Patrick R. Donahoe, said in an interview. “If Congress doesn’t act, we will default.”

In recent weeks, Mr. Donahoe has been pushing a series of painful cost-cutting measures to erase the agency’s deficit, which will reach $9.2 billion this fiscal year. They include eliminating Saturday mail delivery, closing up to 3,700 postal locations and laying off 120,000 workers — nearly one-fifth of the agency’s work force — despite a no-layoffs clause in the unions’ contracts.

The post office’s problems stem from one hard reality: it is being squeezed on both revenue and costs.

As any computer user knows, the Internet revolution has led to people and businesses sending far less conventional mail.

At the same time, decades of contractual promises made to unionized workers, including no-layoff clauses, are increasing the post office’s costs. Labor represents 80 percent of the agency’s expenses, compared with 53 percent at United Parcel Service and 32 percent at FedEx, its two biggest private competitors. Postal workers also receive more generous health benefits than most other federal employees.

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee will hold a hearing on the agency’s predicament on Tuesday. So far, feuding Democrats and Republicans in Congress, still smarting from the brawl over the federal debt ceiling, have failed to agree on any solutions. It doesn’t help that many of the options for saving the postal service are politically unpalatable.

“The situation is dire,” said Thomas R. Carper, the Delaware Democrat who is chairman of the Senate subcommittee that oversees the postal service. “If we do nothing, if we don’t react in a smart, appropriate way, the postal service could literally close later this year. That’s not the kind of development we need to inject into a weak, uneven economic recovery.”

Missing the $5.5 billion payment due on Sept. 30, intended to finance retirees’ future health care, won’t cause immediate disaster. But sometime early next year, the agency will run out of money to pay its employees and gas up its trucks, officials warn, forcing it to stop delivering the roughly three billion pieces of mail it handles weekly.

The causes of the crisis are well known and immensely difficult to overcome.

Mail volume has plummeted with the rise of e-mail, electronic bill-paying and a Web that makes everything from fashion catalogs to news instantly available. The system will handle an estimated 167 billion pieces of mail this fiscal year, down 22 percent from five years ago.

It’s difficult to imagine that trend reversing, and pessimistic projections suggest that volume could plunge to 118 billion pieces by 2020. The law also prevents the post office from raising postage fees faster than inflation.

Meanwhile, the agency has had a tough time cutting its costs to match the revenue drop, with a history of labor contracts offering good health and pension benefits, underused post offices, and laws that restrict its ability to make basic business decisions, like reducing the frequency of deliveries.

Congress is considering numerous emergency proposals — most notably, allowing the post office to recover billions of dollars that management says it overpaid to its employees’ pension funds. That fix would help the agency get through the short-term crisis, but would delay the day of reckoning on bigger issues.

The agency’s leaders acknowledge that they must find a way to increase revenue, something that will prove far harder than simply slicing costs.

In some countries, post offices double as banks or sell insurance or cellphones. In the United States, the postal service is barred from entering many areas. Still, the agency is considering ideas, like gaining the right to deliver wine and beer, allowing commercial advertisements on postal trucks and in post offices, doing more “last-mile” deliveries for FedEx and U.P.S. and offering special hand-delivery services for correspondence and transactions for which e-mail is not considered secure enough.


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Pete
09-05-2011, 06:22
".......... At the same time, decades of contractual promises made to unionized workers, including no-layoff clauses, are increasing the post office’s costs. Labor represents 80 percent of the agency’s expenses, compared with 53 percent at United Parcel Service and 32 percent at FedEx, its two biggest private competitors. Postal workers also receive more generous health benefits than most other federal employees. ................."

Unions can kill a private company but not government. Look for increased spending to bail them out - or maybe a user tax on e-mails.

mojaveman
09-05-2011, 10:46
I agree. The only way to save it is to start running it like a business and not leave it the over-inflated inefficient bureaucracy that it is. I quit using the USPS a long time ago. The folks at the competition do a better job and have better customer service.

longrange1947
09-05-2011, 11:08
It needs to go bankrupt, go into receivership, and all labor contracts canceled.

Start all over again and get the deadwood out. This would allow the organization to start running in the black again, without the onerous labor deals made under "political threats and promises".

The main advantage of the postal service is magazines ands cards. :munchin

wet dog
09-05-2011, 11:13
It needs to go bankrupt, go into receivership, and all labor contracts canceled.

Start all over again and get the deadwood out. This would allow the organization to start running in the black again, without the onerous labor deals made under "political threats and promises".

The main advantage of the postal service is magazines ands cards. :munchin

Make it a volunteer labor of love, like cross-walk duty in front of the elem school.

That's what ol' Ben Franklin would say.

Team Sergeant
09-05-2011, 11:30
What next, run the United States of America into default?:rolleyes:

obama;

"We're working on that right now"

wet dog
09-05-2011, 11:39
What next, run the United States of America into default?:rolleyes:

obama;

"We're working on that right now"

When the shit goes on sale, I'm attending a HUMVEE auction, opening bid, $500.00

The Reaper
09-05-2011, 11:50
Hey, if civilianizing/commercializing space flight is the way to go to save money, why not apply that to mail delivery as well?

The postal service has an overweight, inefficient workforce of mostly less than productive union members. They overcharge most residential customers to subsidize those in remote areas and bulk mailers.

They have a monopoly and are subsidsized by the taxpaying customers.

They have raised rates to the point that it is easier and more efficient to email, FedEx, or deliver the mail in person. Literally, they have raised rates to overpay their workforce of union employees to the point that they are no longer economically competitive or even viable.

If you do not believe that, remove the limit and let a common carrier like FedEx and UPS start competing home mail delivery and see how quickly the USPS fades.

TR

GratefulCitizen
09-05-2011, 12:45
[At the same time, decades of contractual promises made to unionized workers, including no-layoff clauses, are increasing the post office’s costs. Labor represents 80 percent of the agency’s expenses, compared with 53 percent at United Parcel Service and 32 percent at FedEx, its two biggest private competitors. Postal workers also receive more generous health benefits than most other federal employees.


This is downright idiotic.
You can have the nice package or protection from layoffs -- not both (there is no such thing as a free lunch).

If a no-layoff clause were negotiated in the next UPS contract, I would go find a different job.
Bankrupting the company is not a productive goal.

The Drudge report shows more union rhetoric in action.
This is not about helping workers(union or non-union), it is about consolidating power in the hands of union leadership.

Glad I live in a RTW state.
This keeps the union responsive to actual interests of members (including the long-term profitability of the company), rather than narrow leadership interests.


They have a monopoly and are subsidsized by the taxpaying customers.

They have raised rates to the point that it is easier and more efficient to email, FedEx, or deliver the mail in person. Literally, they have raised rates to overpay their workforce of union employees to the point that they are no longer economically competitive or even viable.

If you do not believe that, remove the limit and let a common carrier like FedEx and UPS start competing home mail delivery and see how quickly the USPS fades.

TR

Many people don't realize that we're forbidden by law from delivering letters smaller than a certain size.

Here in Page, the biggest delivery stop (in terms of piece count) is the post office.
It's more cost effective for businesses to pay both UPS and USPS for delivery than to use just the USPS distribution system.

Pete
09-05-2011, 13:00
..........Here in Page, the biggest delivery stop (in terms of piece count) is the post office.................

I found that out tracking orders. Used to track them all the way to the door. First lost package went into the USPS for home delivery. Never got it.

See that more and more nowdays - where it hits the USPS office for delivery.

Eagle5US
09-05-2011, 13:26
I found that out tracking orders. Used to track them all the way to the door. First lost package went into the USPS for home delivery. Never got it.

See that more and more nowdays - where it hits the USPS office for delivery.
Folks are still waiting, now 5 weeks, for their T-Shirts that I paid priority postage on.

I filled out all of the mail forwarding paperwork for this deployment, and have received less than 10 pieces of mail in the last 4 months. When I called the PO, they told me that the only way to ENSURE my mail was forwarded, was to pay $15 a week for their premium service which bundled my incoming PO Box mail, and had it sent to me once in bulk once a week. After the first few weeks of calling once a week and complaining, they finally told me that they had nothing more to offer me except the premium service to ensure my mail got delivered.:boohoo

I then contacted the Regional postmaster who, after referring me back to the original post office a number of times, finally told me the same thing, that in order to ENSURE my mail got forwarded, I needed to utilize their premium service. I finally gave up on it...called the agencies where important shit was supposed to come from (Registration stickers for my vehicle, title for the Vette when I paid it off, etc) and gave them this address to mail it direct. :rolleyes:

You would be H A R D P R E S S E D to find a postal worker in ANY post office who is willing to work any faster than their most leisurely, comfortable speed, under the guise of being paid for their time vs earning their money through service to the customer. How often have you stood 15 deep in line at a post-office with only ONE person behind the counter and they open up a second register? There may be one or two....but you can probably count the instances on one hand.

SF_BHT
09-05-2011, 13:57
I found that out tracking orders. Used to track them all the way to the door. First lost package went into the USPS for home delivery. Never got it.

See that more and more nowdays - where it hits the USPS office for delivery.

I keep tracking my few USPS packages here in PR. They keep showing up delivered and I do not get them. 3-5 days later it usually shows up. Guess they are trying to keep up the fast delivery stats.... Not....:p

Eagle5US
09-05-2011, 14:10
They don't even offer tracking from APO here in theater...:rolleyes:

greenberetTFS
09-05-2011, 14:48
Hey, if civilianizing/commercializing space flight is the way to go to save money, why not apply that to mail delivery as well?

The postal service has an overweight, inefficient workforce of mostly less than productive union members. They overcharge most residential customers to subsidize those in remote areas and bulk mailers.

They have a monopoly and are subsidsized by the taxpaying customers.

They have raised rates to the point that it is easier and more efficient to email, FedEx, or deliver the mail in person. Literally, they have raised rates to overpay their workforce of union employees to the point that they are no longer economically competitive or even viable.

If you do not believe that, remove the limit and let a common carrier like FedEx and UPS start competing home mail delivery and see how quickly the USPS fades.

TR

I completely concur.............. ;)

Big Teddy :munchin

SF_BHT
09-05-2011, 16:40
There have been over 168 arrested here in PR since Jan 2011. Guess they need more Taxpayer money so they do not have to subsidize their income and we will not have to put so many in jail.:eek:

Richard
09-05-2011, 17:17
I watched a report on this tonight - they aren't asking for $$ but for permission to change the way they do business IAW best business practices and pretty much // the UPS/FEDEX models as far as employee salaries and benfits go.

Richard :munchin

wet dog
09-05-2011, 17:21
I watched a report on this tonight - they aren't asking for $$ but for permission to change the way they do business IAW best business practices and pretty much // the UPS/FEDEX models as far as employee salaries and benfits go.

Richard :munchin

And it will become a pension heavy legacy organization much like the auto unions.

Govt., retirement I'm ok with, (i.e., armed forces), but these folks move too slow and expect too much.

Guy
09-05-2011, 18:05
Interesting from the APWU President: (http://www.apwu.org/dept/presvp/index.htm)

But in fact, the federal government is holding billions of dollars of USPS overpayments to its pension accounts, and doesn’t need a bailout. The USPS has a surplus of $6.9 billion in its FERS account, and, according to two independent actuarial studies, has overpaid the CSRS account by $50 billion to $75 billion.

Not a Single Cent

Regrettably, many citizens mistakenly believe the Postal Service is funded by the federal government. Of course, that’s not the case: The USPS is supported by the sale of stamps and postage — not taxpayers.

Many politicians also fail to grasp this important fact — or they choose to ignore it. They portray the USPS as a burden on the American people and characterize any effort to correct the unfair pre-funding mandate or the pension overpayments as a “bailout.”

To help dispel the “bailout-burden” myth, the APWU launched a nationwide television ad campaign on July 11, with spots airing on CNN, MSNBC, and FOX News. The union’s 30-second ad has a very direct message: It describes the enormity of the job postal workers perform, and ends with a simple question and response: Ever wonder what this costs you, as a taxpayer? Not a single cent.

Our message must have been effective, because the day it began airing Rep. Issa called the ad “misleading,” and asked the union to cancel it. We rejected his request, writing, “The Postal Service is not subsidized by taxpayers. We will continue to publicize this important truth.” As we go to press, we are planning the next phase of our media campaign.

Stay safe.

SF_BHT
09-05-2011, 18:16
I watched a report on this tonight - they aren't asking for $$ but for permission to change the way they do business IAW best business practices and pretty much // the UPS/FEDEX models as far as employee salaries and benfits go.

Richard :munchin

Yes they are but the Union is fighting going to that model. They are so afraid of losing what they have. I work a lot with USPS inspectors and they are so short sighted. They seriously think it will just fix it self. They scare me some times when we discuss this. Also they do not think that they are doing anything wrong and that UPS/FedEx/DHL are just evil and the cause of the whole problem and will not accept that they are not providing a good service.

1stindoor
09-06-2011, 09:08
They seriously think it will just fix it self. They scare me some times when we discuss this. Also they do not think that they are doing anything wrong and that UPS/FedEx/DHL are just evil and the cause of the whole problem and will not accept that they are not providing a good service.

Agreed. I've known several Postal employees over the years...they all point to the private companies as part of the problem. Personally, I don't think they're capable of getting themselves out of the red ink until they close offices, reduce delivery days, and cut back their workforce.

The Reaper
09-06-2011, 18:11
There have been over 168 arrested here in PR since Jan 2011. Guess they need more Taxpayer money so they do not have to subsidize their income and we will not have to put so many in jail.:eek:

My mail was constantly stolen by the USPS in PR, and magazines arrived late and pre-read.

I am so happy to be out of that place.

TR

SF_BHT
09-06-2011, 19:03
My mail was constantly stolen by the USPS in PR, and magazines arrived late and pre-read.

I am so happy to be out of that place.

TR

I know and it has not gotten any better since you were here. We are doing our best to make new Job Openings at the USPS here as we can. Thank God for the hiring freeze so they can not replace them with worse ones........

I am coming up on a tour renewal and am having to really think about it. If the diving was not as good as it is in the BVI and USVI I would have never come here.

They do keep us busy here....... we are not wanting for Tgt's