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Looks like the Brits may have a UK version of the Tea Party growing in their ranks,, a bit more rowdy that the US version..
LONDON, ENGLAND - SEPTEMBER 03: Members of the English Defence League (EDL) walk over Tower Bridge after a protest on September 3, 2011 in London, England. Members of the EDL held a static protest in Tower Hamlets, East London today after planned marches were banned by Home Secretary Theresa May.
:munchin
The Tea Party is most interested in Taxes and Spending.
The EDL is about immigration and cultural issues.
True - Both are protest organizations but so is Code Pink.
Historically, the situation in Europe regarding the "multiculturalism" issue, coupled with the economic problems the world as a whole is facing, is disconcerting. IMO, there seem to be many parallels to 1920's Germany and the ascension of the Nazi Party. Could we see the rise of such a party again? If things keep going as they are for a few more years, I believe we will.
Historically, the situation in Europe regarding the "multiculturalism" issue, coupled with the economic problems the world as a whole is facing, is disconcerting. IMO, there seem to be many parallels to 1920's Germany and the ascension of the Nazi Party. Could we see the rise of such a party again? If things keep going as they are for a few more years, I believe we will.
I agree, the seeds are present in the UK, across the EU, and maybe the US.
I think these seeds have morphed. It is not the right using a minority as a scape goat for the woos of their nation. But rather a "class" of individuals that want what another "class" has.. The seed has crossed many boarders and will continue to do so..
This seed resembles the March 1917 revolution in Russia more than the Brown shirts Germany, and has far greater appeal. They have the potential to unleash a firestorm.
The disadvantaged, uneducated, welfare dependent populace far outnumbers what ever you may call all the others.
Should they ascend to power, I foresee a state of anarchy that will permanently damage society, as we know it..
But,, I'm a FOG, it's Sunday morning, and I worry about this kind of shit,, to much.. :munchin
Team Sergeant
09-04-2011, 09:29
Personally I don't really care what they are protesting , that said this one statement bothers the living hell out of me.....
"after planned marches were banned by Home Secretary Theresa May"
When the government (any government) bans peaceful protest it's time for a new government.
A new government by violent means if necessary.
I agree, the seeds are present in the UK, across the EU, and maybe the US.
I think these seeds have morphed. It is not the right using a minority as a scape goat for the woos of their nation. But rather a "class" of individuals that want what another "class" has.. The seed has crossed many boarders and will continue to do so..
This seed resembles the March 1917 revolution in Russia more than the Brown shirts Germany, and has far greater appeal. They have the potential to unleash a firestorm.
The disadvantaged, uneducated, welfare dependent populace far outnumbers what ever you may call all the others.
Should they ascend to power, I foresee a state of anarchy that will permanently damage society, as we know it..
But,, I'm a FOG, it's Sunday morning, and I worry about this kind of shit,, to much.. :munchin
What was it my parents used to tell me.....
1. Be thankful for what you have.
2. Don't wish your life away
3. Be careful what you wish for....you might get more than bargained for.
On the topic of wishing wells, lack of appreciation, self worth, growing protests, groups and the present day world wide cornucopia overflowing of Nationalism, Socialism, Communism fervor.....sprinkled with a little Maxine Waters and Andre Carson.
USA: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OOYok7xvBV0J:www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php%3Farticleid%3D9108+http://www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php%3Farticleid%3D9108&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The NBP.....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shock-video-new-black-panther-party-member-teaches-black-survival-tactics-with-guns-and-machetes-to-kids/
Isreal: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/03/us-israel-economy-protests-idUSTRE7821OS20110903
Germany: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/neo-nazi-counter-demonstration-turns-violent-in-germany/
Team Sergeant
09-04-2011, 12:07
What was it my parents used to tell me.....
1. Be thankful for what you have.
2. Don't wish your life away
3. Be careful what you wish for....you might get more than bargained for.
On the topic of wishing wells, lack of appreciation, self worth, growing protests, groups and the present day world wide cornucopia overflowing of Nationalism, Socialism, Communism fervor.....sprinkled with a little Maxine Waters and Andre Carson.
USA: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OOYok7xvBV0J:www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php%3Farticleid%3D9108+http://www.wuwm.com/programs/news/view_news.php%3Farticleid%3D9108&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
The NBP.....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shock-video-new-black-panther-party-member-teaches-black-survival-tactics-with-guns-and-machetes-to-kids/
Isreal: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/03/us-israel-economy-protests-idUSTRE7821OS20110903
Germany: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/neo-nazi-counter-demonstration-turns-violent-in-germany/
Paslode,
"TheBlaze.com"? Wuwm.com radio? You are sure digging hard to find something, anything.......:munchin
One can only hope that "King Samir Shabazz" continues to teach his techniques tactics & procedures........:rolleyes: I'm betting Shabazz employs the "AK" "over the head while on full auto" stance. :D
Civil discort can be healthy, civil unrest is just down right entertaining.
Photo #1, a lot of cops encircling the crowd, trying to get my head around a larger crowd and in great numbers of locations. At what point does the "cop" say, "...man this is not worth it", turns and joins the ranks of their neighbors? When does the Army say, "We will not rise against our own".
Typiclly a lot of people get hurt before idealogy lines are drawn, then afterwards, more are hurt.
....standby folks, more to follow....
Perhaps they need a new party. The Labor party had extensive discussions with Gaddafi's government, and it turned over names of dissidents to him.
LINK (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2033460/Secret-files-Labour-lied-Gaddafi--warned-holy-war-Megrahi-died-Scotland.html)
I suspect we will see a much more socialist political environment, and it may come in a wide array of flavors. The world has a debt crisis - which is fundamentally different than a regular business recession. It is likely to take a long time to resolve the problem - a decade or more.
I've come across the theory that only increasingly affluent societies are likely to be free and open. If the global economy becomes stagnant or shrinks, that seems to imply that societies will be less free and less open.
tom kelly
09-04-2011, 13:17
It is almost in place,The United Nations, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, The Federal Reserve Board, The FDIC, The Federal Deposit loan Corporation, The 10 largest banks in the U S A " To Big to Fail", The 14 Trillion Dollars we have as a national debt is actually money the entities I mentioned actually lent to other countries around the world and have never repaid the initial loans made by the 10 largest banks and guaranteed by the U S Taxpayers. There are semi-secret cartels e g The Council on Foreign Relations, The Tri Lateral Commission, The Bidlebergers who actually controll @ 77% of the worlds wealth, Their goal is world domination through Socialism with them in control of the world. No more sovergin countries, one world currency, NO U S Constitution or Bill of Rights A United Nations Army to control all people and to keep peace and preserve order. The current economic crisis in the U S will soon spread to Europe and Asia and chaos and anarchy will prevail if "The New World Order " is not in place?....What do you think? Tom Kelly
A United Nations Army to control all people and to keep peace and preserve order. The current economic crisis in the U S will soon spread to Europe and Asia and chaos and anarchy will prevail if "The New World Order " is not in place?....What do you think? Tom Kelly
How is recruitment/training performed for this One World Army? Do I surrender my love for family who enlist knowing they will hold me hostage and borders, check points, grocery stores or gas pumps? I'm probably ok with the local national guard assisting a state governor with a crisis, but when the new established Libyian Army wearing Blue UN berets are responsible for securing the largest mall in America, Minn., the bands of slavery, chains or ropes will be placed on us one loop at a time.
I'm prepared to return fire.
I think also, we (US) need to solve many of our problems first, before we attempt to solve the worlds problems. I'm in favor of isolationism for the time being, and if we need to have a suto "civil war" of idealogy, fine, then we will, and perhaps the election of 2012 is that defining moment.
Get out and vote.
What do you think?
Poppycock.
Richard :munchin
The current economic crisis in the U S will soon spread to Europe and Asia and chaos and anarchy will prevail if "The New World Order " is not in place?....What do you think? Tom Kelly
I suspect the crisis in Europe will spread to the U.S. ;)
Supposedly, talks in Athens about Greek debt have broken down. And the yields on other European debt are increasing as compared to Germany. But if Europe has problems, then U.S. financial institutions may face larger problems.
An interesting op-ed piece (below) from a well-read author with opinions on some of the tensions that this thread has begun to address - it seems that we are in for one hell of a ride.
Op-Ed Columnist
All Together Now
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: August 27, 2011
NYT - online
HOLD onto your hats and your wallets. Since the end of the cold war, the global system has been held together to a large degree by four critical ruling bargains. Today all four are coming unstuck at once and will need to be rebuilt. Whether and how that rebuilding happens — beginning in the U.S. — will determine a lot about what’s in your wallet and whether your hat flies off.
Now let me say that in English: the European Union is cracking up. The Arab world is cracking up. China’s growth model is under pressure and America’s credit-driven capitalist model has suffered a warning heart attack and needs a total rethink. Recasting any one of these alone would be huge. Doing all four at once — when the world has never been more interconnected — is mind-boggling. We are again “present at the creation” — but of what?
Let’s start with the Middle East, the world’s oil tap. Libyans just joined Tunisians, Egyptians and Yemenis in ousting their dictator, while Syrians and Iranians hope to soon follow suit. In time, virtually every Middle East autocrat will be deposed or forced to share power. The old model can’t hold. That model was based on kings and military dictators capturing the oil revenue, ensconcing themselves in power — protected by well-financed armies and security services — and buying off key segments of their populations. That lid has been blown off by an Arab youth bulge that today can see just how everyone else is living and is no longer ready to accept being behind, undereducated, unemployed, humiliated and powerless. But while this old Middle East system — based on an iron fist and a fistful of petro-dollars holding together multiethnic/multireligious societies — has broken down, it will take time for these societies to write their own social contracts for how to live together without an iron fist from above. Hope for the best, prepare for anything.
Farther north, it was a nice idea, this European Union and euro-zone: Let’s have a monetary union and a common currency but let everyone run their own fiscal policy, as long as they swear to work and save like Germans. Alas, it was too good to be true. Large government welfare programs in some European countries, without the revenue to finance them from local production, eventually led to a piling up of sovereign debt — mostly owed to European banks — and then a lender revolt. The producer-savers in northern Europe are now drawing up a new deal with the overspenders — the PIIGS: Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain. It is unlikely that the Germans would just break out of the European Union, since a good chunk of their exports go to those overspending, uncompetitive countries. Instead, the northern Europeans are trying to force stronger, rule-based discipline on the PIIGS. But how much more austerity can these countries absorb, especially if there are further social stresses from deeper recessions? More than Londoners will take to the streets. One way or another, the European Union is going to get smaller or tighter, but in the process it could go through a chaotic, world-shaking transition that is not priced into the market yet.
Going East, China has been relying on a model built on a deliberately undervalued currency and export-led growth, with low domestic consumption and high savings. This has allowed the Communist Party to sustain a unique bargain with its people: We give you jobs and rising standards of living, and you give us power. This bargain is now under threat. Persistent unemployment in China’s American and European markets is making Beijing’s undervalued-currency/low-consumption/high-export model less sustainable for the world. China also has to get rich before it gets old. It has to move from two parents saving for one kid, to one kid paying for the retirement of two parents. To do that, it has to move from an assembly-copying-manufacturing economy to a knowledge-services-innovation economy. This requires more freedom and rule of law, and you can already see mounting demands for it. Something has to give there.
As for America, we’ve thrived in recent decades with a credit-consumption-led economy, whereby we maintained a middle class by using more steroids (easy credit, subprime mortgages and construction work) and less muscle-building (education, skill-building and innovation). It’s put us in a deep hole, and the only way to dig out now is a new, hybrid politics that mixes spending cuts, tax increases, tax reform and investments in infrastructure, education, research and production. But that mix is not the agenda of either party. Either our two parties find a way to collaborate in the center around this new hybrid politics, or a third party is going to emerge — or we’re stuck and the pain will just get worse.
When the world is experiencing so many wrenching changes at once — with already high unemployment and weak economies — the need for America, the most important pillar of all, to be rock solid is greater than ever. If we don’t get our act together — which will require collective action normally reserved for wartime — we are not going to just be prolonging an American crisis, but feeding a global one.
A version of this op-ed appeared in print on August 28, 2011, on page SR11 of the New York edition with the headline: All Together Now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/opinion/sunday/friedman-all-together-now.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Perhaps they need a new party.
I suspect we will see a much more socialist political environment, and it may come in a wide array of flavors. The world has a debt crisis - which is fundamentally different than a regular business recession. It is likely to take a long time to resolve the problem - a decade or more.
I've come across the theory:
that only increasingly affluent societies are likely to be free and open. If the global economy becomes stagnant or shrinks, that seems to imply that societies will be less free and less open.
This is the line I was trying to follow.. in a maudlin fashion..
This is the line I was trying to follow.. in a maudlin fashion..
Then you may appreciate the original...
Loss of confidence amongst society
In such a case, the affected populations would be faced with two unfavourable developments. They would, on the one hand, experience a lowering of living standards due to a distinct increase in unemployment and mobility costs. Historical case studies reveal that only continuous improvement of individual living conditions provide the basis for tolerant and open societies. Empirical studies for the OECD region also prove that setbacks in economic growth can lead to an increase in the number of votes for extremist and nationalistic parties.
This from an English translation of a report prepared by the Bundeswehr: LINK (http://www.energybulletin.net/sites/default/files/Peak%20Oil_Study%20EN.pdf) (Last paragraph on page 54 and the first sentence on page 55.)
Paslode,
"TheBlaze.com"? Wuwm.com radio? You are sure digging hard to find something, anything.......:munchin
One can only hope that "King Samir Shabazz" continues to teach his techniques tactics & procedures........:rolleyes: I'm betting Shabazz employs the "AK" "over the head while on full auto" stance. :D
Digging hard? The blind can find those without assistance ;)
Utah Bob
09-04-2011, 16:29
Poppycock.
Richard :munchin
May I add Balderdash?:munchin
UK Tea Party?... now, that's funny right there.